Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

mickeyrat

EmBleve wrote:

pandora wrote:

and there is now new studies approaching the idea it can bring on full blown
mental illness as in schizophreniaSubstance abuse can cause family violence

just to name a few
and sorry it doesn't perfectly fit for you....

But could you have a problem with cause and effect?
Like in the big picture...

Really?? I would like to see an article of these said studies from an nationally acclaimed journal, such as those approved by the AMA or the APA. Substance abuse may 'bring on' similar symptomology as these psychotic disorders (which is widely known), but it is not known that substance abuse develops into 'full blown' schizophrenia. If what I'm saying is wrong, it's news to me, and show me proof (and I will gladly eat my shoe--it's just something that I have never heard of without being concomitant, insofar as what you're saying). And substance abuse has the potential to cause violence?? What?? No way. :roll:

Speaking from the addicts point of view. I used to hear police sirens and helicopters while I wa shigh on crack. Made this known to the clinic i was going to at the time. drug induced auditory schizo disorder? Something like that. Once the drug use stopped , so did the sounds. Many times I wished I would die, but could never bring myself to do it. Many reasons for that , but I couldnt do that to my mother as my sister did. She kinda took that decision away from me. Sis commited suicide in 1988.

Many years ago , I was also diagnosed with chronic depression, more so on the family history , I think, than in depth exam of me. Turns out when the drinking and drugging stopped and I was able to address many of my "issues" through the working of a 12 step program, the depression has went away as well. This is not to say thats the path for everyone.

But from my experience, a 12 step program has the best chance of daily success in not using , coupled with professional help for those that need that level of care , would go a long way for those folks.

EmBleve

and do you think that insurance, or any federally regulated institution, is going to grant treatment of these individuals based on anything other than this so-called 'mumbo jumbo'.. eat another mushroom.

Cosmo

EmBleve wrote:

With all due respect, don't you talk to ME about my 'mumbo jumbo'. I have almost 8 years of post-secondary education in this field/area, and years of experience.. I did not invest that time (nor MONEY in student loans) because I don't care about that population. As usual, you turned what I said around into an argument regarding substance abuse, when that is not the question I asked you. I did not say that substance abuse was not a mental issue (or related), but it is NOT schizophrenia. And you make too many assumptions and you assume that nobody knows what he/she is talking about from firsthand experience (not to mention work-related or educational-related experience), and you are just wrong and need to step back and take a good look at yourself.
oh...and it's not a 'label' so much as a DIAGNOSIS...which is required for mental health care workers and health care workers in general to give care and decide upon a proper and helpful intervention.. the fact that you LABEL my references to actual diagnoses as listed in the DSM-IV 'mumbo jumbo' proves that you don't know what you're talking about.

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You know how when you talk to your cat and all they hear is, " . . ' ' ' , ' ' ' . ' . , ' . ' ' . ' ' , ' . . ' ' . , " ?
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I'm just sayin'.

EmBleve

mickeyrat wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

pandora wrote:

and there is now new studies approaching the idea it can bring on full blown
mental illness as in schizophreniaSubstance abuse can cause family violence

just to name a few
and sorry it doesn't perfectly fit for you....

But could you have a problem with cause and effect?
Like in the big picture...

Really?? I would like to see an article of these said studies from an nationally acclaimed journal, such as those approved by the AMA or the APA. Substance abuse may 'bring on' similar symptomology as these psychotic disorders (which is widely known), but it is not known that substance abuse develops into 'full blown' schizophrenia. If what I'm saying is wrong, it's news to me, and show me proof (and I will gladly eat my shoe--it's just something that I have never heard of without being concomitant, insofar as what you're saying). And substance abuse has the potential to cause violence?? What?? No way. :roll:

Speaking from the addicts point of view. I used to hear police sirens and helicopters while I wa shigh on crack. Made this known to the clinic i was going to at the time. drug induced auditory schizo disorder? Something like that. Once the drug use stopped , so did the sounds. Many times I wished I would die, but could never bring myself to do it. Many reasons for that , but I couldnt do that to my mother as my sister did. She kinda took that decision away from me. Sis commited suicide in 1988.

Many years ago , I was also diagnosed with chronic depression, more so on the family history , I think, than in depth exam of me. Turns out when the drinking and drugging stopped and I was able to address many of my "issues" through the working of a 12 step program, the depression has went away as well. This is not to say thats the path for everyone.

But from my experience, a 12 step program has the best chance of daily success in not using , coupled with professional help for those that need that level of care , would go a long way for those folks.

I'm terribly sorry for your losses. I'm not saying that every clinician performs their job adequately, because, as it has been said, the funds and availability are very limited for a multitude of reasons. But, yes, as far as substance abuse, 12 step programs are very much embraced and encouraged by the mental health field. I'm glad you have found your way!!

EmBleve

Cosmo wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

With all due respect, don't you talk to ME about my 'mumbo jumbo'. I have almost 8 years of post-secondary education in this field/area, and years of experience.. I did not invest that time (nor MONEY in student loans) because I don't care about that population. As usual, you turned what I said around into an argument regarding substance abuse, when that is not the question I asked you. I did not say that substance abuse was not a mental issue (or related), but it is NOT schizophrenia. And you make too many assumptions and you assume that nobody knows what he/she is talking about from firsthand experience (not to mention work-related or educational-related experience), and you are just wrong and need to step back and take a good look at yourself.
oh...and it's not a 'label' so much as a DIAGNOSIS...which is required for mental health care workers and health care workers in general to give care and decide upon a proper and helpful intervention.. the fact that you LABEL my references to actual diagnoses as listed in the DSM-IV 'mumbo jumbo' proves that you don't know what you're talking about.

...
You know how when you talk to your cat and all they hear is, " . . ' ' ' , ' ' ' . ' . , ' . ' ' . ' ' , ' . . ' ' . , " ?
...
I'm just sayin'.

sorry, I was responding to Pandora, who must know about these things.

BinauralJam

EmBleve wrote:

and do you think that insurance, or any federally regulated institution, is going to grant treatment of these individuals based on anything other than this so-called 'mumbo jumbo'.. eat another mushroom.

ever tried mushrooms? Good Stuff

Cosmo

EmBleve wrote:

sorry, I was responding to Pandora, who must know about these things.

...
Just sayin'... you might be better off explaining all that stuff to your cat.

EmBleve

BinauralJam wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

and do you think that insurance, or any federally regulated institution, is going to grant treatment of these individuals based on anything other than this so-called 'mumbo jumbo'.. eat another mushroom.

ever tried mushrooms? Good Stuff

lol. No, I haven't personally, but I'm thinking that some are under the influence of something similar..peyote, maybe.. I feel like I'm in (or trying to dispel) the peace, love, and happiness place of the Manson commune in this discussion.

norm

Cosmo wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

sorry, I was responding to Pandora, who must know about these things.

...
Just sayin'... you might be better off explaining all that stuff to your cat.

a cat could pick it up quicker

EmBleve

Cosmo wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

sorry, I was responding to Pandora, who must know about these things.

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Just sayin'... you might be better off explaining all that stuff to your cat.

OH! :!: Gotcha. Indeed. Here kitty, kitty.

EmBleve

norm wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

sorry, I was responding to Pandora, who must know about these things.

...
Just sayin'... you might be better off explaining all that stuff to your cat.

a cat could pick it up quicker

yeah, I got that now... always been slow on the pick-up.

norm

EmBleve wrote:

a cat could pick it up quicker

yeah, I got that now... always been slow on the pick-up.[/quote]

chadwick

norm wrote:

fuck obama
fuck romney


CHADWICK FOR PRESIDENT!!!

normy, normy, normy... what to say, what to say. thanks for the uplifting support of sorts. your kindness is huge. this topic has my brain cells in a chaotic state of cluster fucking and something like a dark deep hole where bullshit nasty old ass trolls, witches, warthogs, battle axes, war horses, zombies, evil dictators, communists, and sarah palin & ted nugent dwell and they have automatic weapons they got from their sister's boyfriend which is also their brother and dad :shock:

norm

chadwick wrote:

norm wrote:

fuck obama
fuck romney


CHADWICK FOR PRESIDENT!!!

normy, normy, normy... what to say, what to say. thanks for the uplifting support of sorts. your kindness is huge. this topic has my brain cells in a chaotic state of cluster fucking and something like a dark deep hole where bullshit nasty old ass trolls, witches, warthogs, battle axes, war horses, zombies, evil dictators, communists, and sarah palin & ted nugent dwell and they have automatic weapons they got from their sister's boyfriend which is also their brother and dad :shock:

brother, out of all the sane voices in this thread, you're the most sanest...sometime brutal honesty is needed and dude, you bring it like no other! :thumbup:

EmBleve

norm wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

a cat could pick it up quicker

yeah, I got that now... always been slow on the pick-up.

[/quote]
yes, norm, you came through again. Luckily it came to me before your enlightenment.. I'm the type that you shouldn't tell jokes to because you get a blank stare for a moment (or 20)...but otherwise, I'm not so bad.

EmBleve

norm wrote:

chadwick wrote:

norm wrote:

fuck obama
fuck romney


CHADWICK FOR PRESIDENT!!!

normy, normy, normy... what to say, what to say. thanks for the uplifting support of sorts. your kindness is huge. this topic has my brain cells in a chaotic state of cluster fucking and something like a dark deep hole where bullshit nasty old ass trolls, witches, warthogs, battle axes, war horses, zombies, evil dictators, communists, and sarah palin & ted nugent dwell and they have automatic weapons they got from their sister's boyfriend which is also their brother and dad :shock:

brother, out of all the sane voices in this thread, you're the most sanest...sometime brutal honesty is needed and dude, you bring it like no other! :thumbup:

say it again!

norm

EmBleve wrote:

yes, norm, you came through again. Luckily it came to me before your enlightenment.. I'm the type that you shouldn't tell jokes to because you get a blank stare for a moment (or 20)...but otherwise, I'm not so bad.

you're awesome, em...i just speak cosmo...helps to have a overly sarcastic mind

chadwick

awww shucks america. let's fucking rock
http://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl= ... oCx_7sTBsM
i typed aww shucks america into google images. this is what came up. look at the 4th pic from left.

norm

chadwick wrote:

awww shucks america. let's fucking rock
http://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl= ... oCx_7sTBsM
i typed aww shucks america into google images. this is what came up. look at the 4th pic from left.

an axe, a soldier and tom cruise being batshit

yep, that's amurica!

EmBleve

norm wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

yes, norm, you came through again. Luckily it came to me before your enlightenment.. I'm the type that you shouldn't tell jokes to because you get a blank stare for a moment (or 20)...but otherwise, I'm not so bad.

you're awesome, em...i just speak cosmo...helps to have a overly sarcastic mind

Thank you, norm. I appreciate that, really. So are you. And cosmo, too. . I have a sarcastic mind usually, also (as you can probably tell by some of my posts--diplomacy on this board [or in life in general] is not my forte)..but sometimes..you guys are over my head for a few..