Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

chadwick

the king of rude to you? horse manure! you missy are rude as shit to just about everyone. you down talk others on here so much you push people away. i joke around and most folks can take and dish out comedy. you? no you can't.

i am the biggest feminist you'll ever know. everything is about women in my eyes. i root for you gals like nobody's business yet you clash with me because i make sense and don't accept shit handed to me on a bullshit platter. i smell a crusade and a high & mighty horse thousands of miles away. please come on down to reality.

i am sorry you dislike me so. i am sorry you're jealous and upset at me 24x7. i know your laws. you believe a man shouldn't have 17 girl friends. horse poop. i have 18 maybe 37. this burns your fanny somethin fierce. i'm frickin sorry women enjoy my company and i theirs. get off of me and debate properly.

mickeyrat

for what reason does a civilian have to own an ASSAULT weapon?

Target practice? Keep it at the range.

In my considered opinion a civilian has no business owqning or being allowed to own a weapon whose sole purpose in design is to kill a human being.

More often though the weapons used in these types of mass killings are semi auto handguns. Those are bad enough and could readily protect someones life if that scenario arose, so really dont see the need fpor military type assault weapons in the hands of civilians.


Yes I am for the 2 nd amendment, a well REGULATED MILITIA.

Cosmo

EmBleve wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I saw this show about super massive black holes that pull everything in and there's pretty much... nothing they can do about it. That super massive black hole didn't have a superiority complex... or did it?

taking a chance here, I have to answer, YES, it did... thus the pull it had (which is inexplicable, and aggravating.).

...
So, you saw it too. When I was watching it... I was thinking, 'Man, that super massive black hole really sucks'.
...
Or maybe it was when i was watching internet free porn. I forget.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

The pit should not be a source of mental health info or advice for anyone in need. Including what I've posted. Access a clinician directly, or NAMI or the mental health association.

Do you know the average salaries of clinicians, particularly those that work at community mental health centers? Typically $30k - $45k for those with advanced degrees and post grad clinical experience. Not exactly comfortable when you factor in the cost of student loans, required continuing education, licensure, malpractice insurance, etc.

Actually that is pretty comfortable ...
better than a lot of people.

I know the Docs in the neighborhood make closer to 200 grand a year..

JB and I we are living on that now for the both of us ...

but then I don't buy shoes like I used to ( a pair of flip flops lasts a year)
or go see PJ anymore

What is your point again?

EmBleve

Cosmo wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I saw this show about super massive black holes that pull everything in and there's pretty much... nothing they can do about it. That super massive black hole didn't have a superiority complex... or did it?

taking a chance here, I have to answer, YES, it did... thus the pull it had (which is inexplicable, and aggravating.).

...
So, you saw it too. When I was watching it... I was thinking, 'Man, that super massive black hole really sucks'.
...
Or maybe it was when i was watching internet free porn. I forget.

yes, it was one or the other.

redrock

comebackgirl wrote:

If you're going to help someone you better damn well make sure you understand the origin of the issue and the most effective treatment.

pandora wrote:

it doesn't matter a bit to the patient :fp:

:shock:

Go in for radiotherapy, get a cast on your leg! Nah.... doesn't matter to the patient whether the professionals understand their ailment, whatever it may be.

pandora

mickeyrat wrote:

for what reason does a civilian have to own an ASSAULT weapon?

Target practice? Keep it at the range.

In my considered opinion a civilian has no business owqning or being allowed to own a weapon whose sole purpose in design is to kill a human being.

More often though the weapons used in these types of mass killings are semi auto handguns. Those are bad enough and could readily protect someones life if that scenario arose, so really dont see the need fpor military type assault weapons in the hands of civilians.


Yes I am for the 2 nd amendment, a well REGULATED MILITIA.

If criminals have weapons like this then so should the law abiding.

Wonder which side of the Militia you might be on one day

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Damn! You have caught on to our evil plan! *insert evil laughter*
I'm going to strongly suggest that you refrain from the provocative and condescending comments. Stick to the issue.

To try and explain it, an injury is different from a disease which is different from an illness, right? A broken leg (injury) is different than a disease (cancer) and an illness (flu). Why do the names matter? Because they help us understand the origins and best treatments. The treatment for a broken leg is very different than the treatment for cancer. Now all these things can influence each other and impact the treatment as well. You can't group things together because they are very different. If you're going to help someone you better damn well make sure you understand the origin of the issue and the most effective treatment.

As Mickeyrat explained, substance abuse can in fact cause psychosis. I mentioned this very early on the thread. The treatment would be very different, however. In this case a substance is causing the psychosis and proper treatment would be to remove that substance from the system. Very different from schizophrenia which would require medication. On top of the addiction issues there may be underlying mental health issues. Both deserve treatment.

I'm not sure why I'm even explaining this anymore you have been successful in having a circular discussion veering way off topic. I'm not sure how we even got here my only point being the current system is overburdened and cannot meet your vision.

EmBleve thanks for you're input. It's spot on.

Cosmo - I will take that helmet now. I found myself explaining this to my cat, she got it. It's probably time to move on.

I get all this but what you obviously don't get ...
it doesn't matter a bit to the patient :fp:

they just need help before they hurt themselves or someone else

oh my...

like I said the system is failing our people obviously ...
not sure if you can blame the individuals working it but if this is a sample ...
I just don't know.

The best treatment for the boy driving the wrong way?
How about run some tests, rule out some serious physical illnesses, do an eval
on drugs used and how long. Set him up for follow up visits
counseling and proper medication....
all done at the Walk In Clinic ...
too bad it's too late for him and the beautiful family
but think of the others that can saved, maybe the next bomber and all the victims
could be hundreds.

Oh but it matters very much to the patient. The patient needs someone that can make an accurate diagnosis, pick the appropriate treatment and administer it.

Yes the system is flailing. Absolutely. There is not enough funding, budgets are slashed, there's not enough trained clinicians and understandably many people don't want to enter the field. That needs to be fixed. Blaming the people who do the work and targeting them as being uncaring, unknowledgeable and suggesting they work for free because their incomes are too comfortable and they're not deserving of the occasional luxury is not helping the cause.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

The pit should not be a source of mental health info or advice for anyone in need. Including what I've posted. Access a clinician directly, or NAMI or the mental health association.

Do you know the average salaries of clinicians, particularly those that work at community mental health centers? Typically $30k - $45k for those with advanced degrees and post grad clinical experience. Not exactly comfortable when you factor in the cost of student loans, required continuing education, licensure, malpractice insurance, etc.

Actually that is pretty comfortable ...
better than a lot of people.

I know the Docs in the neighborhood make closer to 200 grand a year..

JB and I we are living on that now for the both of us ...

but then I don't buy shoes like I used to ( a pair of flip flops lasts a year)
or go see PJ anymore

What is your point again?

I don't have one. It got sucked into the black hole.

brianlux

Here we go again. Bugs Bunny pulls out his 6 shooter. Yosemite Sam pulls out an 8 shooter. Bugs a 10 shooter. Sam a 12 shooter. Bugs a 20 shooter. Sam a 50 shooter. Bugs a 100 shooter...

pandora

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

If you're going to help someone you better damn well make sure you understand the origin of the issue and the most effective treatment.

pandora wrote:

it doesn't matter a bit to the patient :fp:

:shock:

Go in for radiotherapy, get a cast on your leg! Nah.... doesn't matter to the patient whether the professionals understand their ailment, whatever it may be.

So you think deep in depression behind the wheel of a car, going at 100 miles an hour,
in the wrong direction...
someone is going to give a rats ass?

No they want to see a doctor and get help but 200$ an hour is not possible.
In fact add another $300 for an application fee first visit $500 :shock:


The emergency room will fix that leg even without insurance
but they will not help a person with mental issues
not until they hurt themselves or someone else.

Great analogy ...

EmBleve

comebackgirl wrote:

To try and explain it, an injury is different from a disease which is different from an illness, right? A broken leg (injury) is different than a disease (cancer) and an illness (flu). Why do the names matter? Because they help us understand the origins and best treatments. The treatment for a broken leg is very different than the treatment for cancer. Now all these things can influence each other and impact the treatment as well. You can't group things together because they are very different. If you're going to help someone you better damn well make sure you understand the origin of the issue and the most effective treatment.

As Mickeyrat explained, substance abuse can in fact cause psychosis. I mentioned this very early on the thread. The treatment would be very different, however. In this case a substance is causing the psychosis and proper treatment would be to remove that substance from the system. Very different from schizophrenia which would require medication. On top of the addiction issues there may be underlying mental health issues. Both deserve treatment.

I'm not sure why I'm even explaining this anymore you have been successful in having a circular discussion veering way off topic. I'm not sure how we even got here my only point being the current system is overburdened and cannot meet your vision.

EmBleve thanks for you're input. It's spot on.

Cosmo - I will take that helmet now. I found myself explaining this to my cat, she got it. It's probably time to move on.

Thank you!--not only for the highlighted comment, but also for your knowledge, and your diplomatic way of putting things in perspective (which I personally lack, especially in the face of such subject idealistic ignorance).

EmBleve

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

If you're going to help someone you better damn well make sure you understand the origin of the issue and the most effective treatment.

pandora wrote:

it doesn't matter a bit to the patient :fp:

:shock:

Go in for radiotherapy, get a cast on your leg! Nah.... doesn't matter to the patient whether the professionals understand their ailment, whatever it may be.

thank you for this highlight redrock...you, yourself, are spot on in this revelation. Subjectivity vs. objectivity...

redrock

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

If you're going to help someone you better damn well make sure you understand the origin of the issue and the most effective treatment.

pandora wrote:

it doesn't matter a bit to the patient :fp:

:shock:

Go in for radiotherapy, get a cast on your leg! Nah.... doesn't matter to the patient whether the professionals understand their ailment, whatever it may be.

So you think deep in depression behind the wheel of a car, going at 100 miles an hour,
in the wrong direction...
someone is going to give a rats ass?

No they want to see a doctor and get help but 200$ an hour is not possible.
In fact add another $300 for an application fee first visit $500 :shock:


The emergency room will fix that leg even without insurance
but they will not help a person with mental issues
not until they hurt themselves or someone else.

Great analogy ...

You forgot to highlight the 'whatever it may be'. It seemed you needed something a bit more 'grounded' and not 'mumbo jumbo' to explain differences in ailments and the importance to the patient of correct diagnosis. Again important to the patient as he/she will then get correct treatment.

EmBleve

pandora wrote:

The emergency room will fix that leg even without insurance
but they will not help a person with mental issues
not until they hurt themselves or someone else.

Great analogy ...

they are not allowed to Pandora... but your misconception is that you seem to think that health care providers don't WANT to... you're speaking of emergency room occurrences here...which raises the question that has been asked of you without a response...what is your solution???? In actual terms (not idealistic)....they can only protect them by law for 72 hours..if they don't have a bed somewhere, they are discharged. What is your solution?

EmBleve

redrock wrote:

You forgot to highlight the 'whatever it may be'. It seemed you needed something a bit more 'grounded' and not 'mumbo jumbo' to explain differences in ailments and the importance to the patient of correct diagnosis. Again important to the patient as he/she will then get correct treatment.

THANK YOU!! And the hypocrisy/ignorance/idealism continues....

EmBleve

pandora wrote:

The emergency room will fix that leg even without insurance
but they will not help a person with mental issues
not until they hurt themselves or someone else.

Great analogy ...

and if they don't have insurance or medicaid, that person is going to get a bill for that treatment, regardless of the cause or underlying issues.. And they will help persons with mental problems.. for 72 hours.. the issue with such persons is finding a bed somewhere. FIND A BED PANDORA. Find one.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

Oh but it matters very much to the patient. The patient needs someone that can make an accurate diagnosis, pick the appropriate treatment and administer it.

Yes the system is flailing. Absolutely. There is not enough funding, budgets are slashed, there's not enough trained clinicians and understandably many people don't want to enter the field. That needs to be fixed. Blaming the people who do the work and targeting them as being uncaring, unknowledgeable and suggesting they work for free because their incomes are too comfortable and they're not deserving of the occasional luxury is not helping the cause.

No that is what you worry about not the guy with the bomb
ready to take out hundreds...
he's not thinking about what or who only fix me.
But he has no way to get fixed.
I have a feeling people would figure out pretty quick what was wrong with him
if they had a chance.

So yes the system is failing the people, even with the millions spent
and not one positive suggestion here to add to my free Walk in Clinics
or my Bitch in Clinics as my lad suggested....

hmmm that really says a lot....

Lets just take guns away so much easier but solves nothing in our society
the wrong way drivers, bombers will be have another weapon of choice,
the illegal guns will still be available probably more so.


Address the real problem the person and why they are distraught,
what help do they need before they hurt themselves or others.

mickeyrat

you know wjhats crazy?



Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

redrock

pandora wrote:

No they want to see a doctor and get help .

Says who? You? As mentioned numerous times on this thread by professionals, a lot of people do not seek help because they don't want to. Don't see the necessity (the 'chin up, I'll be OK' factor) or don't want to because of all the stigma and everthing else attached to this.

But then, these ladies here, who's line of expertise this is, are just talking mumbo jumbo and don't really know what it's all about...

Wake up please and try to be open to those who actually 'know' (don't worry, I'm not including myself in this) and talk facts.