Sandusky Trial

norm

Sandusky filed his notice of appeal today

josevolution

norm wrote:

Sandusky filed his notice of appeal today

The sick bastard still believes he did nothing wrong , what kind of childhood did this guy have .....

ComeToTX

josevolution wrote:

Penn State should shut down football program

Shut it down. No more football at Penn State. Not for a while, anyway. And please don’t wait to be sanctioned by the NCAA, which moves at a glacial pace.

Now there can be no doubt. The sycophants, enablers, and excuse-makers can go away and stay away. The Penn State Board of Trustees can finally do the right thing and kill the school’s football program. Effective immediately. Football can come back to State College, Pa., someday. Not now.

This is not a hard decision anymore. Nor is it radical. It’s the decent thing to do, after a decade and a half of institutional indecency.

Please. No weeping for the players and coaches who are at Penn State now. We know they did nothing wrong. But they can transfer. Coaches can get jobs at other schools.

Football simply cannot go on after what we heard Thursday from former FBI director Louis Freeh.

Hired by Penn State’s Board of Trustees in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal, Freeh concluded that for more than a decade there was total disregard for the safety and well-being of children/victims by the most powerful men at Penn State. And that includes the fabled Joe Paterno.

Penn State needs to give its own football program the death penalty. The pompous NCAA, ever-reluctant to sanction big-revenue, elite members, will eventually figure out what to do about the obvious lack of institutional control in State College, Pa. The Big Ten could also step forward in the wake of Thursday’s disclosures. In the meantime, Penn State needs to stop the nonsense of attempting to play its 2012 season.

The games cannot go on. Playing football this fall would be just another demonstration that the vaunted football program is more important than protecting innocent children. Happy Valley needs some silent Saturdays to ponder how this happened and to make sure nothing like it could ever happen again.

As of this moment, the Nittany Lions are scheduled to open at home against Ohio Sept. 1 at noon. Two weeks later, the United States Naval Academy team is slated to play at Penn State. It’s “Military Appreciation Day.’’ Disgusting. If Penn State doesn’t do the right thing, the Naval Academy should refuse to send its team to State College.

The NCAA, quick to sanction phone calls to recruits or booster-paid tattoos, says Penn State needs to address four key questions regarding institutional control and ethics policies. The collegiate sports governing body says Penn State’s response will help decide what action needs to be taken.

There wasn’t much ambiguity in Freeh’s 267-page report, which was compiled over eight months and included interviews with 430 current or former college employees.

“In order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at the university . . . repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse.’’

The four men cited are former school president Graham B. Spanier, former athletic director Tim Curley, former school vice president Gary Schultz, and the late coach Paterno.

The facts are the facts. With their appalling inaction, grounded in the belief that they were saving football from disgrace, these men allowed child rapes to go undetected and unreported for 14 years after they were first alerted of Sandusky’s crimes. They concealed facts and failed to go to authorities to protect the football program from “bad publicity.’’ They allowed rapes to continue in order to preserve King Football.

Joe Pa brought Penn State 409 wins, five undefeated seasons and two national championships. He put the school on the map and was honored with a statue which stands outside Beaver Stadium. Today it stands as a monument to the worst scandal in the history of college sports. The statue needs to come down.

According to USA Today, donations to Penn State are on the rise since the news of the scandal broke last year. More than 190,000 contributors have donated $209 million, which represents the second-best year in school history. Way to rally. Ya-hoo.

Penn State is going to need a lot of money to settle the lawsuits certain to follow Thursday’s report. Shutting down football for a few years will be another financial hit. No football means no TV money and a drop in alumni pledges.

Too bad. The Nittany Lions need to close shop for a while. No tailgating. No boola-boola. No Homecoming game. No Senior Day. There is no price tag to measure an institution’s lost soul.

http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/07/1 ... ml?camp=fb

I agree. Nothing having to do with football should go on there for a few years. I'd feel nasty even walking in the locker rooms.

ComeToTX

EdsonNascimento wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

norm wrote:

and there's paterno's former players...millen is a fuckhead

http://deadspin.com/5925472/espn-trots- ... eeh-report

ESPN has become a fucking joke.

Not the biggest fan of ESPN, but this isn't an ESPN issue. If anything, they are being even handed. If Millen wants to look like a Paterno protector, they put him on and let him embarass himself. If you don't think that's part of the story, you are missing the point.

But, there is a Mark May video where he basically buries Paterno, the University and Penn State Football for 5 minutes. Reporting the news means putting all sides on, not just the ones you or I agree with.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8160289

I wasn't being exclusive to this case. My overall point is an organization that would hire Matt Millen is a joke. ESPN lost any journalistic credibility years ago.

pjhawks

Paterno was once thought to be a god-like figure at Penn State, i guess he reality he was more pope-like

Jason P

I was thinking about the calls to shut down the Penn State Football program due to the actions of a predator and a handful of senior coaches and administrators, and my thought is that it should be left to the NCAA to handle the punishment. If you shut down the football program, whose players and fans were not aware of what was going on, how far do you take it?

Paterno gave money to the libraries. Should they be shut down?

The football program made lots of money for the athletic department, helping build new stadiums and facilities. Should the basketball, volleyball, tennis, etc. all be shut down?

Lay blame at those accountable. Paterno's legacy is tarnished and the school needs to distance themselves from the past. A handful of top admin will most likely end up in prison. To punish the innocent, the students, the alumni, the fans, and the student athletes is overreaction to a very bad situation.

EdsonNascimento

Jason P wrote:

I was thinking about the calls to shut down the Penn State Football program due to the actions of a predator and a handful of senior coaches and administrators, and my thought is that it should be left to the NCAA to handle the punishment. If you shut down the football program, whose players and fans were not aware of what was going on, how far do you take it?

Paterno gave money to the libraries. Should they be shut down?

The football program made lots of money for the athletic department, helping build new stadiums and facilities. Should the basketball, volleyball, tennis, etc. all be shut down?

Lay blame at those accountable. Paterno's legacy is tarnished and the school needs to distance themselves from the past. A handful of top admin will most likely end up in prison. To punish the innocent, the students, the alumni, the fans, and the student athletes is overreaction to a very bad situation.

I think you are looking at this backward. This has nothing to do with students, alumni, fans or athletes. It has everything to do with the fact that this predator was enabled and empowered (I took that from an article I read - I find that word extremely important in this discussion) by the Penn State Football Program. It's that simple. Would Sandusky have found a way to do his heinous crimes somewhere else? Perhaps. But, that's not the the point. It did happen with Joe Paterno and his band of idiots condoning those actions for the protection of the program. Sandusky not only used the football program to prey on his victims, he used it to cover his actions. Once again, with the full approval of Joe Paterno (implicit approval in this case was actually more powerful than explicit - it effectively held a gun to Joe and the University's heads once they did not report, as the e-mails presciently indicated). Therefore, that instition (within an institution) needs to be "reset." The mentality of - we can't shut down the program b/c of all the collateral damage to people that weren't involved is the very reason Joe Paterno encouraged his followers (as he was clearly the leader) NOT to report. So, now you (and others) suggest perpetuating that?

I find it even more troubling that the current Penn State President indicates how important the Football Program is to the school. Ummm... Aren't you missing the point?

Yes, there are ramifications that ripple through if you shut the football program down. But, by not doing so, every single person that tailgates or goes through the turnstiles is effectively condoning what the football program wrought. I honestly have no idea how any freshmen decided to enroll in the University after the news broke in November.

Just as we think we've seen the worst that athletics can do in our society, Joe Paterno and Penn State Football come along and set a bar so low that I can't even fathom how the next Joe Paterno is going to come along and surpass it. The ends do NOT justify the means. The good does NOT outweigh the bad. By even intimating that, you are once again putting the victims aside and ignoring the damage that these men (Sandusky, Paterno, Spanier, etc.) have done.

Yes, there are ramifications. But, by not facing those both individually and as a group, aren't they all basically doing EXACTLY what Paterno, et. al. were doing - not taking the proper actions for some supposed greater good. It's completely hypocritical to say words of condelence to the victims then party it up on Saturday afternoons.

BTW, this all could become moot when the school's endowment and Ma Paterno's house is handed over to the victims 3 times over. Not that that solves anything for the victims. The least the community can do is stand up and say - "No!! We are not going to re-rape them every Saturday in the Fall by going to meaningless tailgates and football games."

know1

Cosmo wrote:

know1 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Penn State to State Pen.
Have fun playing soaped up jailhouse Slap and Tickle in the showers, Mr. Sandusky.

Wishing rape on a person - even a convicted rapist - just isn't right, in my opinion.

...
Ummm... you DO realize that part of Sandusky's defense was he was 'just playing' with those kids... right?

Who cares? I think it's wrong to wish harm on anyone. It's not a good mindset to pursue revenge like that...especially so if you're not even the victim.

cincybearcat

EdsonNascimento wrote:

The least the community can do is stand up and say - "No!! We are not going to re-rape them every Saturday in the Fall by going to meaningless tailgates and football games."

I admire your passion, but this is nonsense.

I'm not sure what I think about shutting down the Penn State football program. It wasn't the program, it was several specific individuals. They should be held accountable. Not the other coaches, kids who are ON SCHOLARSHIP playing football, others in the community. I think it is a heavy-handed short-sighted approach to just simply say kill off Penn State football. What does it accomplish, besides hurting a whole lot of people that have nothing to do with the scandal?

I'm saddened that it seems like Joe Pa was a HUGE part of covering up and not reporting, he's done so much good. But no amount of good is enough to make up for it.

EdsonNascimento

cincybearcat wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

The least the community can do is stand up and say - "No!! We are not going to re-rape them every Saturday in the Fall by going to meaningless tailgates and football games."

I admire your passion, but this is nonsense.

I'm not sure what I think about shutting down the Penn State football program. It wasn't the program, it was several specific individuals. They should be held accountable. Not the other coaches, kids who are ON SCHOLARSHIP playing football, others in the community. I think it is a heavy-handed short-sighted approach to just simply say kill off Penn State football. What does it accomplish, besides hurting a whole lot of people that have nothing to do with the scandal?

I'm saddened that it seems like Joe Pa was a HUGE part of covering up and not reporting, he's done so much good. But no amount of good is enough to make up for it.

There are simple solutions for all that - for Scholarshipped players - offer to continue their scholarships for their education without football at PSU, or the NCAA allows a "free" transfer without any loss of eligibility or need to wait the standard year to play.

Again, what it accomplishes is it sets the precedent that Athletics is NOT more important than ANYTHING. The fact that a few men were in charge of that program and created the atmosphere is problematic. But, it was the Program ultimately caused/enabled the crime. So, why shouldn't it be held accountable?

cincybearcat

EdsonNascimento wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

The least the community can do is stand up and say - "No!! We are not going to re-rape them every Saturday in the Fall by going to meaningless tailgates and football games."

I admire your passion, but this is nonsense.

I'm not sure what I think about shutting down the Penn State football program. It wasn't the program, it was several specific individuals. They should be held accountable. Not the other coaches, kids who are ON SCHOLARSHIP playing football, others in the community. I think it is a heavy-handed short-sighted approach to just simply say kill off Penn State football. What does it accomplish, besides hurting a whole lot of people that have nothing to do with the scandal?

I'm saddened that it seems like Joe Pa was a HUGE part of covering up and not reporting, he's done so much good. But no amount of good is enough to make up for it.

There are simple solutions for all that - for Scholarshipped players - offer to continue their scholarships for their education without football at PSU, or the NCAA allows a "free" transfer without any loss of eligibility or need to wait the standard year to play.

Again, what it accomplishes is it sets the precedent that Athletics is NOT more important than ANYTHING. The fact that a few men were in charge of that program and created the atmosphere is problematic. But, it was the Program ultimately caused/enabled the crime. So, why shouldn't it be held accountable?

You don't think all scholarships everywhere are filled? You are displacing students somewhere down the line.

I'd say getting rid of everyone involved and requiring significantly more transparency (the board either trusted too much or didn;t want to know) would do far more good then getting rid of football. Getting rid of football is symbolic at best and damaging to even more lives at worst.

Just my opinion. I do respect your opinion on the matter and I do think shutting football down should be "on the table" and discussed, but I just don;t think it makes any sense.

Blockhead

The people on here calling for NCAA sanctions and Death to the football program are idiots.
This had nothing to do with Penn States Football program.
ALso this is a criminal case, no NCAA violation occured.

This issue has hit my family very hard as most of them are PSU grads.
My dad Played for Joe Pa and Sandusky in the Mid 70's and Sandusky also happened to be my dad Position coach (LB). I have meet all these people involved, been around the program a long time and was offered a FB scholarship from PSU, I decided to play for a SEC school which is much close to where I live.

These are serious comments here... I KNOW I will discuss this from personal/emitional point of view but I will try and be as objective as possible.
From what I've read, The investigation into the 1998 accusation was "resolved" (charges dropped) by an email from the investigator (PA's Disctirct Attorney, who has now since dissapeared) to one of the 4 higher ups (not JoePa). Does the Freeh's report mention what that email says? People are using that as proof that everyone knew, but did Freeh actually say what was in the email? If there's no mention of the content, it seems like a pretty big failure on Freeh's part...

Also, is it clear that JoePa knew the 98 investigation was about pedo stuff? Or did he just know there was an investigation?
Reason I ask is that if the investigator (DA) determined no wrong doing on Sandusky's part in 98, or told the higher ups that it would disappear, how would the blame be on anyone but those 2? Also my dad told me that even back in the 70's Paterno and Sandusky DID NOT get along. They were not friends like everyone is making them out to be.

There was clearly info covered up and/or misinterpreted by many people throughout the years, but I haven't seen anything saying who specifically knew what and at what time. Seems like a whole bunch of accusations and assumptions with very little hard evidence backing it, at least according to articles I'm reading.

The report is basically one man's take on a situation that spanned over numerous years. If you listen to his Freeh's audio press conference from yesterday he clearly uses verbiage insinuating that his conclusions are essentially his opinions/assumptions. All it does is shift blame to 4 individuals while ignoring the mistakes and misactions of many other organizations and people outside and larger than Penn State.

Again, These are just questions and comments I have on this.

Jason P

EdsonNascimento wrote:

There are simple solutions for all that - for Scholarshipped players - offer to continue their scholarships for their education without football at PSU, or the NCAA allows a "free" transfer without any loss of eligibility or need to wait the standard year to play.

Again, what it accomplishes is it sets the precedent that Athletics is NOT more important than ANYTHING. The fact that a few men were in charge of that program and created the atmosphere is problematic. But, it was the Program ultimately caused/enabled the crime. So, why shouldn't it be held accountable?

In reality, the NCAA cannot do a thing if the bylaws were not broken. This is a federal case now.

EdsonNascimento

Blockhead wrote:

The people on here calling for NCAA sanctions and Death to the football program are idiots.
This had nothing to do with Penn States Football program.
ALso this is a criminal case, no NCAA violation occured.

This issue has hit my family very hard as most of them are PSU grads.
My dad Played for Joe Pa and Sandusky in the Mid 70's and Sandusky also happened to be my dad Position coach (LB). I have meet all these people involved, been around the program a long time and was offered a FB scholarship from PSU, I decided to play for a SEC school which is much close to where I live.

These are serious comments here... I KNOW I will discuss this from personal/emitional point of view but I will try and be as objective as possible.
From what I've read, The investigation into the 1998 accusation was "resolved" (charges dropped) by an email from the investigator (PA's Disctirct Attorney, who has now since dissapeared) to one of the 4 higher ups (not JoePa). Does the Freeh's report mention what that email says? People are using that as proof that everyone knew, but did Freeh actually say what was in the email? If there's no mention of the content, it seems like a pretty big failure on Freeh's part...

Also, is it clear that JoePa knew the 98 investigation was about pedo stuff? Or did he just know there was an investigation?
Reason I ask is that if the investigator (DA) determined no wrong doing on Sandusky's part in 98, or told the higher ups that it would disappear, how would the blame be on anyone but those 2? Also my dad told me that even back in the 70's Paterno and Sandusky DID NOT get along. They were not friends like everyone is making them out to be.

There was clearly info covered up and/or misinterpreted by many people throughout the years, but I haven't seen anything saying who specifically knew what and at what time. Seems like a whole bunch of accusations and assumptions with very little hard evidence backing it, at least according to articles I'm reading.

The report is basically one man's take on a situation that spanned over numerous years. If you listen to his Freeh's audio press conference from yesterday he clearly uses verbiage insinuating that his conclusions are essentially his opinions/assumptions. All it does is shift blame to 4 individuals while ignoring the mistakes and misactions of many other organizations and people outside and larger than Penn State.

Again, These are just questions and comments I have on this.

Exhibit A why the program needs to be put on hiatus. I'm sorry your childhood memories are ruined.

Not to answer every ridiculous point you are trying to make, but YES, it is perfectly CLEAR that Paterno knew the about the 1998 incident. Trying to parse what is so clearly laid out is laughable. And your (and many like you) attitude is why there needs to be a stop to the insanity.

Blockhead

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

The people on here calling for NCAA sanctions and Death to the football program are idiots.
This had nothing to do with Penn States Football program.
ALso this is a criminal case, no NCAA violation occured.

This issue has hit my family very hard as most of them are PSU grads.
My dad Played for Joe Pa and Sandusky in the Mid 70's and Sandusky also happened to be my dad Position coach (LB). I have meet all these people involved, been around the program a long time and was offered a FB scholarship from PSU, I decided to play for a SEC school which is much close to where I live.

These are serious comments here... I KNOW I will discuss this from personal/emitional point of view but I will try and be as objective as possible.
From what I've read, The investigation into the 1998 accusation was "resolved" (charges dropped) by an email from the investigator (PA's Disctirct Attorney, who has now since dissapeared) to one of the 4 higher ups (not JoePa). Does the Freeh's report mention what that email says? People are using that as proof that everyone knew, but did Freeh actually say what was in the email? If there's no mention of the content, it seems like a pretty big failure on Freeh's part...

Also, is it clear that JoePa knew the 98 investigation was about pedo stuff? Or did he just know there was an investigation?
Reason I ask is that if the investigator (DA) determined no wrong doing on Sandusky's part in 98, or told the higher ups that it would disappear, how would the blame be on anyone but those 2? Also my dad told me that even back in the 70's Paterno and Sandusky DID NOT get along. They were not friends like everyone is making them out to be.

There was clearly info covered up and/or misinterpreted by many people throughout the years, but I haven't seen anything saying who specifically knew what and at what time. Seems like a whole bunch of accusations and assumptions with very little hard evidence backing it, at least according to articles I'm reading.

The report is basically one man's take on a situation that spanned over numerous years. If you listen to his Freeh's audio press conference from yesterday he clearly uses verbiage insinuating that his conclusions are essentially his opinions/assumptions. All it does is shift blame to 4 individuals while ignoring the mistakes and misactions of many other organizations and people outside and larger than Penn State.

Again, These are just questions and comments I have on this.

Exhibit A why the program needs to be put on hiatus. I'm sorry your childhood memories are ruined.

Not to answer every ridiculous point you are trying to make, but YES, it is perfectly CLEAR that Paterno knew the about the 1998 incident. Trying to parse what is so clearly laid out is laughable. And your (and many like you) attitude is why there needs to be a stop to the insanity.

Please explain? These are simple questions to which you didn't answer any of them...
I addressed in my post the Paterno knew about 1998, But again as someone who has actually read this case, the 1998 incident was dropped by the investigator (District Attorney).
My questions were clear on this, The DA told the highers ups about the charges being dropped,
What exacly was relayed to Paterno, What was he told?
What attitude are you talking about?

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

Also my dad told me that even back in the 70's Paterno and Sandusky DID NOT get along. They were not friends like everyone is making them out to be.

That really doesnt matter. Apparently whatever JoePa knew -- he was probably more concerned about his football program being implicated than Sanduskys well being. JoePa fucked up, no two ways about it. But I dont think the football program needs to be shut down completely as long as all people involved in the cover up of this case have been removed.

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Also my dad told me that even back in the 70's Paterno and Sandusky DID NOT get along. They were not friends like everyone is making them out to be.

That really doesnt matter. Apparently whatever JoePa knew -- he was probably more concerned about his football program being implicated than Sanduskys well being. JoePa fucked up, no two ways about it. But I dont think the football program needs to be shut down completely as long as all people involved in the cover up of this case have been removed.

NO SHIT he fucked up...
Still no answers to my questions...
Yes JoePa fucked up but to what degree, The 1998 incidend was dropped by the DA. Saying that 1998 incident happend now is just using hindsight...
Joe was told the 1998 incident was dropped, What was he told, Who told him?
The Freeh report is extremely vague and inferious (is that a word?) Joe's name appears in two emails.
Other than that, what proof do you have of what Joe knew?

pjhawks

Blockhead wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

The people on here calling for NCAA sanctions and Death to the football program are idiots.
This had nothing to do with Penn States Football program.
ALso this is a criminal case, no NCAA violation occured.

This issue has hit my family very hard as most of them are PSU grads.
My dad Played for Joe Pa and Sandusky in the Mid 70's and Sandusky also happened to be my dad Position coach (LB). I have meet all these people involved, been around the program a long time and was offered a FB scholarship from PSU, I decided to play for a SEC school which is much close to where I live.

These are serious comments here... I KNOW I will discuss this from personal/emitional point of view but I will try and be as objective as possible.
From what I've read, The investigation into the 1998 accusation was "resolved" (charges dropped) by an email from the investigator (PA's Disctirct Attorney, who has now since dissapeared) to one of the 4 higher ups (not JoePa). Does the Freeh's report mention what that email says? People are using that as proof that everyone knew, but did Freeh actually say what was in the email? If there's no mention of the content, it seems like a pretty big failure on Freeh's part...

Also, is it clear that JoePa knew the 98 investigation was about pedo stuff? Or did he just know there was an investigation?
Reason I ask is that if the investigator (DA) determined no wrong doing on Sandusky's part in 98, or told the higher ups that it would disappear, how would the blame be on anyone but those 2? Also my dad told me that even back in the 70's Paterno and Sandusky DID NOT get along. They were not friends like everyone is making them out to be.

There was clearly info covered up and/or misinterpreted by many people throughout the years, but I haven't seen anything saying who specifically knew what and at what time. Seems like a whole bunch of accusations and assumptions with very little hard evidence backing it, at least according to articles I'm reading.

The report is basically one man's take on a situation that spanned over numerous years. If you listen to his Freeh's audio press conference from yesterday he clearly uses verbiage insinuating that his conclusions are essentially his opinions/assumptions. All it does is shift blame to 4 individuals while ignoring the mistakes and misactions of many other organizations and people outside and larger than Penn State.

Again, These are just questions and comments I have on this.

Exhibit A why the program needs to be put on hiatus. I'm sorry your childhood memories are ruined.

Not to answer every ridiculous point you are trying to make, but YES, it is perfectly CLEAR that Paterno knew the about the 1998 incident. Trying to parse what is so clearly laid out is laughable. And your (and many like you) attitude is why there needs to be a stop to the insanity.

Please explain? These are simple questions to which you didn't answer any of them...
I addressed in my post the Paterno knew about 1998, But again as someone who has actually read this case, the 1998 incident was dropped by the investigator (District Attorney).
My questions were clear on this, The DA told the highers ups about the charges being dropped,
What exacly was relayed to Paterno, What was he told?
What attitude are you talking about?

Blockhead - Paterno ran everything and even his higher-ups deferred to him on all matters involving anything to do with football: see squashing PSU investigation/punishment into the brawl involving the football players and. It's pretty telling that Curley originally wanted to go to authorites but chaged him mine one day after meeting with Paterno. I know you probably have deep feelings for the man but no reasonable person can truly believe Paterno didn't know what was going on.



As for those calling to shut down the football program I guess that should be shut down after we close down the boy scouts and every catholic church in america. and should we close every school that the teachers are sleeping with students? i think that is a huge overreaction.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Also my dad told me that even back in the 70's Paterno and Sandusky DID NOT get along. They were not friends like everyone is making them out to be.

That really doesnt matter. Apparently whatever JoePa knew -- he was probably more concerned about his football program being implicated than Sanduskys well being. JoePa fucked up, no two ways about it. But I dont think the football program needs to be shut down completely as long as all people involved in the cover up of this case have been removed.

NO SHIT he fucked up...
Still no answers to my questions...
Yes JoePa fucked up but to what degree, The 1998 incidend was dropped by the DA. Saying that 1998 incident happend now is just using hindsight...
Joe was told the 1998 incident was dropped, What was he told, Who told him?
The Freeh report is extremely vague and inferious (is that a word?) Joe's name appears in two emails.
Other than that, what proof do you have of what Joe knew?

Those questions are irrelevant now.
"An internal probe into the Penn State child sex abuse scandal found that top university officials, including former president Graham Spanier and then-head football coach Joe Paterno, concealed allegations of abuse by ex-assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky to "avoid the consequences of bad publicity."

To what degree did he fuck up? He allowed a grown man to RAPE underage boys without consequence. There is no degree to that. Its fucking pathetic and the bottom of the barrel. How much lower can you go? No degree...just the bottom.

Blockhead

pjhawks wrote:

Blockhead - Paterno ran everything and even his higher-ups deferred to him on all matters involving anything to do with football: see squashing PSU investigation/punishment into the brawl involving the football players and. It's pretty telling that Curley originally wanted to go to authorites but chaged him mine one day after meeting with Paterno. I know you probably have deep feelings for the man but no reasonable person can truly believe Paterno didn't know what was going on.



As for those calling to shut down the football program I guess that should be shut down after we close down the boy scouts and every catholic church in america. and should we close every school that the teachers are sleeping with students? i think that is a huge overreaction.

Joe was part of leadership, the most recognizable to the outside public, but not the highest ranking member of the institution. Many more individuals, both inside and outside of PSU, also failed to respond appropriately to this tragedy.
People love a villain. In this situation, a lot of people made mistakes, this report is essentially one man's interpretation of events. The report doesn't really uncover anything new. All it does is shift blame to 4 individuals while ignoring the mistakes and misactions of many other organizations and people outside and larger than Penn State. If it helps people sleep at night to assert all blame to a major figurehead, well that's their opinion, albeit an ignorant one...