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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    If anyone is in denial about who was really running that place read this. The one person who tried to stand up to him was fired and shunned by the rest of the University and threatened by students and locals.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/15/us/tripon ... index.html
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    the hits just keep on coming :x

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... e_men.html
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    norm wrote:
    the hits just keep on coming :x

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... e_men.html

    Not surprising. I'm sure there's plenty more. Evil fucker.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    ugh...i get it...it's tough to admit your dad didn't do what he should have done...but c'mon

    http://deadspin.com/5926296/
  • mydogmookieblaylock
    mydogmookieblaylock Posts: 2,996
    ComeToTX wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    mydogmookieblaylock wrote:
    http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162972/joe-paterno-true-legacy

    I say shut it down as well. This goes far beyond and normal football related 'crimes'. Paying some kids to play football -- generating some fake grades..... not this was the protection of a monster or at least choosing to ignore something that had to be painfully obvious. We all heard Sandusky speak and saw his mannerisms and so if in 1998 there was some suspicion raised i am sure JoePa knew in his heart that this man was weird and something terrible was happening.
    He didn't just do nothing about it either --- he enabled it to continue. And he wasn't alone -- he had help from everyone who was involved in making decisions for the school.

    it's a very sad chapter in American history

    Shut it down

    I guess maybe I don't know enough about the NCAA and what it can/can't do. But Penn State obviously didn;t gain any competitive advantage, so is this really there territory?

    They received a competitive advantage by not reporting criminal acts. Not just Sandusky either. There were player issues that Paterno kept in house. The negative publicity would have hurt recruiting.
    i agree - the competitive advantage was gained by not making the public aware they had a staff member who was raping children. Tough to sell a recruits parents on Penn St being a great place for their son when that is happening.
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    norm wrote:
    ugh...i get it...it's tough to admit your dad didn't do what he should have done...but c'mon

    http://deadspin.com/5926296/

    Laughable. He was stunned at the charges? He knew Sandusky was investigated in 1998 and knew about the shower incident in 2001. That family needs to shut up and go away.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,884
    mydogmookieblaylock wrote:
    i agree - the competitive advantage was gained by not making the public aware they had a staff member who was raping children. Tough to sell a recruits parents on Penn St being a great place for their son when that is happening.


    Yeah, for me, I think that is quite the stretch. Personally, I think this belongs in the hands of the courts, not the NCAA. And hell, perhaps as part of what comes next, the board gets rid of football for awhile (due to legal agreements to settle civil suits, etc.).
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i would say the football program should be shut down ... it is pretty clear that a large reason for the cover up was to protect not only penn state but the football program specifically ... shut it down for 5 years starting next year and allow all football players to transfer to another school without the mandatory sit out periods ...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,884
    polaris_x wrote:
    i would say the football program should be shut down ... it is pretty clear that a large reason for the cover up was to protect not only penn state but the football program specifically ... shut it down for 5 years starting next year and allow all football players to transfer to another school without the mandatory sit out periods ...

    What about their scholarships? There aren't any available. Man, that would suck big time for them.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    to me the football program isn't the problem it's the people (person) running the program that is the problem...well, the main culprit is dead and hopefully everyone else associated with the program in the past will be fired and/or jailed...but if psu and/or the ncaa shut it down for a time i'm cool with that...as long as they don't punish the current kids
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    cincybearcat wrote:
    What about their scholarships? There aren't any available. Man, that would suck big time for them.

    yeah ... i agree ... but in the grand scheme of things ... it's the right thing to do ... i do feel bad for the student body and the athletes who have to pay for the poor decisions of those in power but in a way that's life ... war is the same thing ...

    but something HAS to be done ... a statement has to be made that football is not bigger than life especially not bigger than child abuse ... and that anyone who thinks that was grossly wrong in their perception ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    norm wrote:
    to me the football program isn't the problem it's the people (person) running the program that is the problem...well, the main culprit is dead and hopefully everyone else associated with the program in the past will be fired and/or jailed...but if psu and/or the ncaa shut it down for a time i'm cool with that...as long as they don't punish the current kids

    maybe start the suspension in 4 years or whatever ...
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    polaris_x wrote:
    norm wrote:
    to me the football program isn't the problem it's the people (person) running the program that is the problem...well, the main culprit is dead and hopefully everyone else associated with the program in the past will be fired and/or jailed...but if psu and/or the ncaa shut it down for a time i'm cool with that...as long as they don't punish the current kids

    maybe start the suspension in 4 years or whatever ...

    it'd be easier to just allow current students to transfer without sitting a season out
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,884
    polaris_x wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    What about their scholarships? There aren't any available. Man, that would suck big time for them.

    yeah ... i agree ... but in the grand scheme of things ... it's the right thing to do ... i do feel bad for the student body and the athletes who have to pay for the poor decisions of those in power but in a way that's life ... war is the same thing ...

    but something HAS to be done ... a statement has to be made that football is not bigger than life especially not bigger than child abuse ... and that anyone who thinks that was grossly wrong in their perception ...

    Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what shakes out. I would personally prefer a more creative approach to instilling that message that includes keep the football program going, but I completely understand the sentiment about shutting it down. Though, I'm still very unclear as to how the NCAA should have the power to do this. It seems like it would have to be Penn State's or the government's (state school after all) decision.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,884
    norm wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    norm wrote:
    to me the football program isn't the problem it's the people (person) running the program that is the problem...well, the main culprit is dead and hopefully everyone else associated with the program in the past will be fired and/or jailed...but if psu and/or the ncaa shut it down for a time i'm cool with that...as long as they don't punish the current kids

    maybe start the suspension in 4 years or whatever ...

    it'd be easier to just allow current students to transfer without sitting a season out


    I think you would have to grant a waiver to any school that gets one of the kids to increase their scholarship levels by 1 (for each kid they take - with a maximum of say 4-5 for each university). And have it be that way for 1-2 years minimum. The tuition/expenses paid for by Penn State. If they go that route that is. That could make for a decent transition for these kids,
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    NCAA President Mark Emmert won’t rule out death penalty for Penn State

    http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/17/ncaa- ... enn-state/
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    ComeToTX wrote:
    NCAA President Mark Emmert won’t rule out death penalty for Penn State

    http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/17/ncaa- ... enn-state/
    Yeah, I saw that. I didn't think they would considering their utter lack of emotion and by-the-rules approach to everything they have overseen in the past.
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  • mydogmookieblaylock
    mydogmookieblaylock Posts: 2,996
    "I don’t know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case because it’s really an unprecedented problem..”

    +1
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    Plane banner over Penn State: ‘Take the statue down or we will’

    Posted by Ben Kercheval on July 17, 2012, 12:58 PM EDT

    AP
    Attention, Penn State’s Board of Trustees: look up in the sky. There’s a message for you.

    The university’s board still stands undecided on what to do with the statue of former coach Joe Paterno outside Beaver Stadium despite ongoing public outcry to bring it down in the wake of the Freeh report.

    Now, there’s yet another obvious push in favor of what many already support.

    A small plane displaying the banner “Take the statue down or we will” has been flying over Penn State Tuesday morning. Below is a picture of the banner.

    It’s not immediately clear who “we” refers to. Likewise, who paid for the plane and banner is a mystery.

    (Photo source: Patriot news; Joshua Guiher of collegiatestadiums.com was first to have the photo.)


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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I can't imagine it will take authorities too long to figure out who took the statue.
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