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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    norm wrote:
    basically, trying to apply logic to pedophile thinking will not work...they're fucked in the head and there is no way to change them
    Sad to say you're right, norm.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    edited June 2012
    hedonist wrote:
    Beyond messed up, yes.

    I had trouble with the "generally" part of your statement. I don't think the delusion mentioned applies to the majority.

    Again, if they truly love and worship and see children as stated in the paragraph you posted, there would be no need to hide it.

    They hide it because they know it's wrong AND YET STILL DO IT.

    It's almost worse when that behavior is protected or ignored by those around.

    Of course, despite having had some experience in this realm, I'm no expert, thank god.
    Not so sure Sandusky did consciously hide it, he was a man who built his life around kids.
    He played with them in a kid like manner... that became sex play which is classic.

    That is also how normal adults often explore sexuality when they are just learning
    exploring as kids.

    The fact he is pleading not guilty and wants to get on the stand
    he must to some degree feel he did nothing wrong.
    Perhaps he feels he's not innocent but not guilty also in his motives.
    It's more complex than what people think.

    In looking for info though I found a pro pedophile article that gave me the creeps.
    Pedophiles love the internet almost as much as they love kids. I won't post that article
    though it is too upsetting.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    hedonist wrote:
    norm wrote:
    basically, trying to apply logic to pedophile thinking will not work...they're fucked in the head and there is no way to change them
    Sad to say you're right, norm.
    Correct no way to change them but some drugs and counseling have helped curb
    and even keep them from victimizing children.

    If we can do this and break the cycle for those who experience and learn as children
    that this behavior is ok maybe we can protect our children before the act not after.

    Also the idea of young children being adult like... even early teens, in behavior,
    in physical appearance, in freedoms, we help if we remove the same.

    Let kids be kids ... they are not little adults.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i am wondering how Sandusky still walks into court everyday after day

    i always think someone, somewhere enjoys snipering out pedophiles for entertainment purposes, i mean, think about it. it would be ideal for a high power rifle expert or car bomb dude. when Sandusky enters the prison system it is on like mad for that piece of garbage. literally fellow inmates will fight one another to get at Sandusky.

    goodnight, high profile child molester. you are going home in a cold dark box. end of story
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    pandora wrote:
    pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.

    You're wrong here. Pedophiles know what they are doing is wrong, and the go through an emotional, behavioral, and mental process to make it okay. You saying 'they believe they are showing love' is a reflection on their manipulation of others and their m.o. of grooming victims. To believe it creates an environment that perpetuates the offending behavior. Even after they are caught, they will use this as a defense because they may actually think it, but that's not what's happening underneath this thinking. This is a defense in order to hopefully gain some sympathy or lower consequences, but also an attempt to reduce their own guilt.

    My guess is the ones that kill themselves after (or before) they are caught weren't so successful in convincing themselves that they were 'showing love'. Sandusky is probably in this way so deep due to his age and most likely because he been a sex offender for a long time. He's even is going to take the stand after saying he's sexually attracted to children.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Go Beavers wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.

    You're wrong here. Pedophiles know what they are doing is wrong, and the go through an emotional, behavioral, and mental process to make it okay. You saying 'they believe they are showing love' is a reflection on their manipulation of others and their m.o. of grooming victims. To believe it creates an environment that perpetuates the offending behavior. Even after they are caught, they will use this as a defense because they may actually think it, but that's not what's happening underneath this thinking. This is a defense in order to hopefully gain some sympathy or lower consequences, but also an attempt to reduce their own guilt.

    My guess is the ones that kill themselves after (or before) they are caught weren't so successful in convincing themselves that they were 'showing love'. Sandusky is probably in this way so deep due to his age and most likely because he been a sex offender for a long time. He's even is going to take the stand after saying he's sexually attracted to children.
    Whether it is their manipulation of facts or not, they love and worship children...
    you can find this fact in many studies. They believe they are showing love.
    The info I have posted states just how sick their perception of children can be,
    believing children are sexual beings as young as toddlers.

    The main thing is to understand pedophiles so they can be conquered.
    To keep others from being abused who may continue the cycle and
    to make parents aware of how they operate.
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Throw him in jail.

    Also - Joe Paterno is a coward.
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  • mysticweed
    mysticweed Posts: 3,710
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Throw him in jail.

    Also - Joe Paterno is a coward.

    absolutely
    i believe mrs j paterno knew as well
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    sigh...great job nbc...most journalists i know always let's the interviewee dictate the terms of what gets aired...especially when said interviewee admits to pedophilia
    "Well -- you might think that. I don't know. In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."
    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... rview?lite
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    norm wrote:
    sigh...great job nbc...most journalists i know always let's the interviewee dictate the terms of what gets aired...especially when said interviewee admits to pedophilia
    "Well -- you might think that. I don't know. In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."
    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... rview?lite
    What the? :?

    Why in the heck are we just hearing about this now? Especially in a day and age where "journalists" slit each others wrists to break a story???

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    What the? :?

    Why in the heck are we just hearing about this now? Especially in a day and age where "journalists" slit each others wrists to break a story???

    :fp:
    I could swear I've read part of this before - the "I love young people!" interview.

    Hadn't seen this though - "and I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped."

    Oh, OK...not EVERY young person...just the ones who appealed to you?

    Fucker.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Yes I have heard this before it sounded very damning the first go around too

    His lawyers should have shut him up first thing... who does interviews :?
    but maybe a method to the madness...
    to show how sick he is. His grandeur, his ego, his denial of wrong doing so
    typically that of a pedophile. Picking and choosing thinking he was helping, showing special love,
    to certain boys, removing his own guilt. Perhaps they want him hospitalized.

    But he will most likely go to jail.
    The victims will get money and the satisfaction he is stopped.
    Parents learn a little more about pedophiles and not to trust anyone,
    even admired people, near their children. It is up to them to protect.
    Most importantly, parents will have discussed this and hopefully children
    will be more empowered and know warning signs and feel they can tell before the fact.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    scumbag

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... kys_a.html
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,814
    Man i hope he will just rot in Jail and prove all hi's supporters wrong , HAPPY VALLEY allright ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    norm wrote:
    scumbag

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... kys_a.html
    Damn. I was wondering how their adopted children fared (or tried to) through all this.

    I have to wonder though...the article said this dude was adopted by them when he was already an adult? Doesn't one have to give consent to that? And if so, how could he?

    I'm sure I've said it before but man, this is one fucked up situation.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I would think supporters would be few now considering an adopted son came forward,
    perhaps a little late :?
    Conspiracy theory amongst the victims, motive for money was something his supporters
    used to deny the real Sandusky. Don't think they can be denying any longer who or what he is.

    I wonder why mental defect had not been used in his defense,
    his lawyers couldn't possibly have thought he would get off.
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    If he walks I will have zero faith left in our justice system.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    ComeToTX wrote:
    If he walks I will have zero faith left in our justice system.

    i have very little left so this will probably put it over the edge
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    deliberating midway into day 2....asking to re-hear testimony....

    should the prosecution worry? the longer deliberations go the better the chances are for the defense...

    on the other hand, there are 40 something counts. perhaps they are going through and being very thorough with exactly what he is guilty of....

    definitely interesting though. i thought it was an open and shut case....
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    i read yesterday that the da held back many other victims (including matt sandusky) in case he gets off on these charges

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