deliberating midway into day 2....asking to re-hear testimony....
should the prosecution worry? the longer deliberations go the better the chances are for the defense...
on the other hand, there are 40 something counts. perhaps they are going through and being very thorough with exactly what he is guilty of....
definitely interesting though. i thought it was an open and shut case....
I'm thinking your 3rd paragraph is the issue. 48 counts left after prosection removed 1 and judge removed 3 others.
They listened to very specific testimony - McQueary and Doctor who testified about same victim (who happens to be one of the 2 unidentified victims). My guess is they come back not guilty on charges related to that one if they have questions (but still might find guilty). Hard to believe they would need to hear on that 1 if they thought not guilty on all the rest.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I'm thinking your 3rd paragraph is the issue. 48 counts left after prosection removed 1 and judge removed 3 others.
They listened to very specific testimony - McQueary and Doctor who testified about same victim (who happens to be one of the 2 unidentified victims). My guess is they come back not guilty on charges related to that one if they have questions (but still might find guilty). Hard to believe they would need to hear on that 1 if they thought not guilty on all the rest.
they may be looking for inconsistencies in the testimony. 48 counts is a lot to keep straight. the jusry does not have an easy task with filtering through all of that. even if 10 counts relate to that one victim and he is acquitted of those and convicted of others he is still looking at some serious jail time.
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I'm thinking your 3rd paragraph is the issue. 48 counts left after prosection removed 1 and judge removed 3 others.
They listened to very specific testimony - McQueary and Doctor who testified about same victim (who happens to be one of the 2 unidentified victims). My guess is they come back not guilty on charges related to that one if they have questions (but still might find guilty). Hard to believe they would need to hear on that 1 if they thought not guilty on all the rest.
they may be looking for inconsistencies in the testimony. 48 counts is a lot to keep straight. the jusry does not have an easy task with filtering through all of that. even if 10 counts relate to that one victim and he is acquitted of those and convicted of others he is still looking at some serious jail time.
Exactly. But, they still have to give a verdict on every count even if it's can't come to a unanimous decision. So, with a jury being that deliberate, I find it hard (not impossible) that they found him not guilty on everything else without needing to hear testimony.
Now, if they start asking for bits of each victim, we may have an OJ jury.... But, that being said, we're not there yet, and other than the normal concern prosecutors would have, I don't think this on its own is disconcerting.
He only really needs 1 count to stick to be put away for life considering his age. But, you never know....
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Sandusky's lawyer Joe Amendola told reporters late Friday afternoon that a complete acquittal would be "a shock" and he'll "probably die of a heart attack" if his client beats all the charges. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/47918685/ ... _football/
Jailed thugs locked up alongside serial child molester Jerry Sandusky ridiculed him during his first stint at Centre County Correctional Facility in December, singing lyrics from a Pink Floyd song: "Hey, teacher! Leave those kids alone!" according to a report.
A former inmate told tablet newspaper The Daily that the disgraced ex-Penn State coach had his own cell in the sex offenders’ unit when he spent a night at the jail following his initial arrest.
The 22-year-old former prisoner, identified only as Josh, said the other inmates were barred from talking to Sandusky.
But, as soon as the lights went out, they taunted him with a few famous bars from Pink Floyd's 1979 album, "The Wall."
"At night, we were singing 'Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone,' " Josh said, quoting the lyrics.
Josh told The Daily that everyone recognized the 68-year-old coach from newspaper and television reports about his horrific crimes.
Sandusky returned to the central Pennsylvania lockup on Friday after he was convicted on 45 counts of child sex abuse and endangerment.
I was a bit taken aback by my blood-lust. It's really a sad situation all around.
I had the same reaction. Sandusky is evil.
It reminded me of the time, it was about August of last year when I heard about a doctor who targeted infants to two year olds because they didn't have the ability to tell anyone that their doctor was molesting them orally. Doctor videotaped what he did. There were quite a few victims there as well. I remember being extremely angry. What a horrible person.
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Is the suicide watch thing a knee-jerk reaction in situations like this, or is/was he actually manifesting the signs? I don't feel he should be given the luxury of alone time, free from the taunting of those who know he's a sick fuck.
...and the post up there about the doctor. What the fuck is wrong with people? Seriously. These motherfuckers should be loaded onto a rocketship and catapulted into space.
Penn State to State Pen.
Have fun playing soaped up jailhouse Slap and Tickle in the showers, Mr. Sandusky.
The problem is, if he likes boys, he might actually enjoy this kind of prison. :?
but he like the control...he will have none in prison...that and the fact that he'll be segregated from the general population so this will probably never happen
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Jerry Sandusky is back in a place he definitely doesn’t want to be.
The former Penn State assistant football coach is in jail, on suicide watch, after a jury convicted him late Friday of sexually abusing 10 boys over 15 years.
Sandusky, 68, had been free on bail before his trial began two weeks ago but was handcuffed immediately after his 12 peers pronounced him guilty of all but three of the 48 charges against him.
Today, he is at the Centre County Correctional Facility — the same lockup where he spent a night in December. That night, the other prisoners harassed him. Now, they’re more than likely to do it again.
His last time behind bars, Sandusky was held alone in a cell in a special unit reserved for sexual offenders or people with mental illnesses, according to another inmate there last winter. The 22-year-old offender identified himself as Josh and asked that his surname not be used because he is embarrassed about his crime.
Other prisoners were barred from communicating directly with Sandusky, but they could see him. And when the lights went out, inmates serenaded the disgraced coach with a famous line from Pink Floyd’s “The Wall.”
“At night, we were singing ‘Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone,’ ” Josh said, adding that everyone knew who Sandusky was because inmates had access to television and newspapers. The jail can hold 349 inmates.
Sandusky landed in jail on that occasion after a grand jury voted to add additional counts to the explosive allegations first filed against him in November.
The allegation that Sandusky had used his position at Penn State to coerce children into sex, and even raped children on university grounds, helped bring an ignoble end to the 45-year head coaching career of Penn State football icon Joe Paterno.
In the end, Sandusky was convicted of 45 of 48 charges. Mandatory minimum sentences will likely keep him behind bars for the rest of his life.
One juror, Joshua Harper, told NBC’s “Today” show yesterday that the jurors believed the stories of eight young men who took the stand, despite some inconsistencies in their testimony.
But Harper said they were unable to convict Sandusky of the most serious charge related to Victim 2. The victim, a pre-adolescent at the time of the alleged attack a decade ago, had been an key part of the case since it was revealed that assistant Penn State football coach Mike McQueary said he saw Sandusky raping the boy in a locker-room shower.
In testimony, McQueary said he reported what he saw to Paterno the following day. Paterno later claimed he told other school officials but never informed law enforcement. Paterno was fired just days after Sandusky was charged in November and died of lung cancer in January at 85.
On the stand, McQueary said he saw what he believed was a rape but didn’t see actual penetration. Based on that ambiguity, Sandusky was acquitted of one of five charges related to that victim.
“I just kept going back to — ‘Why would McQueary lie about this?’ — and he was sure, and he made it very apparent that he saw something that was wrong and very sexual,” Harper said.
Sandusky’s lawyer, Joseph Amendola, told CNN Friday after the verdict that his client will be held in protective custody until sentencing, which is expected within 90 days.
Amendola’s co-counsel, Karl Rominger, said yesterday they made a motion to withdraw from the case as jury selection began but that Judge John Cleland ruled against it.
Rominger said the discussion took place in the judge’s chambers, and the motion was filed under seal. The pair have said repeatedly that didn’t have enough time to properly prepare for the complex case.
I would imagine the code in prison, because he victimized kids, would make it that
Sandusky might need protection. Somehow, I don't see him in with the general population.
I could be wrong.
I heard the sentencing is 90 days away ... why? just get it over with now
and have him gone.
I would imagine the code in prison, because he victimized kids, would make it that
Sandusky might need protection. Somehow, I don't see him in with the general population.
I could be wrong.
I heard the sentencing is 90 days away ... why? just get it over with now
and have him gone.
Sounds strange to say this, but sometimes I think our society is too humane.
I'm not proud of how animalistic I've felt at times during this clusterfuck (and other similar ones), but I figure if he didn't give a shit about protecting children and fucked them royally - both literally and figuratively - why should anyone be concerned with protecting him?
Empathy is pretty much out of my reach on this one.
I would imagine the code in prison, because he victimized kids, would make it that
Sandusky might need protection. Somehow, I don't see him in with the general population.
I could be wrong.
I heard the sentencing is 90 days away ... why? just get it over with now
and have him gone.
they need to do psychological testing and such before can sentence him. sentencing isn't going to matter much as the number of charges means he will surely die in prison. almost no chance he ever gets out.
Too bad that Joe Paterno croaked before seeing what was revealed in the courts these past weeks. Something HE could have halted 15 years ago with a simple phone call to the police, instead of to those who cared more about Joe Paterno's legacy and Penn State football, than the lives of his victims.
Paterno got of easy.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
well not retrial but new trial...yeah it's interesting that they did this...i didn't know they could do this but it's smart strategy
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm thinking your 3rd paragraph is the issue. 48 counts left after prosection removed 1 and judge removed 3 others.
They listened to very specific testimony - McQueary and Doctor who testified about same victim (who happens to be one of the 2 unidentified victims). My guess is they come back not guilty on charges related to that one if they have questions (but still might find guilty). Hard to believe they would need to hear on that 1 if they thought not guilty on all the rest.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Exactly. But, they still have to give a verdict on every count even if it's can't come to a unanimous decision. So, with a jury being that deliberate, I find it hard (not impossible) that they found him not guilty on everything else without needing to hear testimony.
Now, if they start asking for bits of each victim, we may have an OJ jury.... But, that being said, we're not there yet, and other than the normal concern prosecutors would have, I don't think this on its own is disconcerting.
He only really needs 1 count to stick to be put away for life considering his age. But, you never know....
http://deadspin.com/5920590/
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Fixed. Doesn't deserve any honorific title.
Glad justice was (and will hopefully continue to be) served upon that fucker.
A former inmate told tablet newspaper The Daily that the disgraced ex-Penn State coach had his own cell in the sex offenders’ unit when he spent a night at the jail following his initial arrest.
The 22-year-old former prisoner, identified only as Josh, said the other inmates were barred from talking to Sandusky.
But, as soon as the lights went out, they taunted him with a few famous bars from Pink Floyd's 1979 album, "The Wall."
"At night, we were singing 'Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone,' " Josh said, quoting the lyrics.
Josh told The Daily that everyone recognized the 68-year-old coach from newspaper and television reports about his horrific crimes.
Sandusky returned to the central Pennsylvania lockup on Friday after he was convicted on 45 counts of child sex abuse and endangerment.
He was immediately placed on suicide watch.
Yeah, take the easy way out Jerry..
I'm pretty shocked he didn't try to off himself when he was out on bail.
It reminded me of the time, it was about August of last year when I heard about a doctor who targeted infants to two year olds because they didn't have the ability to tell anyone that their doctor was molesting them orally. Doctor videotaped what he did. There were quite a few victims there as well. I remember being extremely angry. What a horrible person.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
well done inmates
...and the post up there about the doctor. What the fuck is wrong with people? Seriously. These motherfuckers should be loaded onto a rocketship and catapulted into space.
Have fun playing soaped up jailhouse Slap and Tickle in the showers, Mr. Sandusky.
Hail, Hail!!!
The problem is, if he likes boys, he might actually enjoy this kind of prison. :?
but he like the control...he will have none in prison...that and the fact that he'll be segregated from the general population so this will probably never happen
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/24 ... /?tw_p=twt
Sandusky might need protection. Somehow, I don't see him in with the general population.
I could be wrong.
I heard the sentencing is 90 days away ... why? just get it over with now
and have him gone.
I'm not proud of how animalistic I've felt at times during this clusterfuck (and other similar ones), but I figure if he didn't give a shit about protecting children and fucked them royally - both literally and figuratively - why should anyone be concerned with protecting him?
Empathy is pretty much out of my reach on this one.
they need to do psychological testing and such before can sentence him. sentencing isn't going to matter much as the number of charges means he will surely die in prison. almost no chance he ever gets out.
Paterno got of easy.
Hail, Hail!!!