Sandusky Trial

even flow - question mark

Isn't putting Penn States supporters on the jury, kind of like the AfroAmericans on the OJ trial?

I would not bet on this man getting too much time. Probably pay some money, say he's sorry and get right back to coaching..........IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY!

I mean for all of us who played sports growing up, wasn't having a coach in the shower (we all remember needing a shower after sports when we were 10) showing us all how to wash ourselves. Where is that roll the eyes emocon.

gimmesometruth27

i think penn state related jurors have sense enough to put justice ahead of institution.

polaris_x

i just hope the entire house of cards comes crumbling down ... there was a huge coverup similar to the catholic church and the us military ... everyone needs to be accountable ...

EdsonNascimento

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i think penn state related jurors have sense enough to put justice ahead of institution.

I guess it only takes one, but I agree with you.

If you look at all the recent Penn State Alumni polls, it clearly shows that even they think less of their University.

The quote that killed me was that the University President (and Joe Paterno) knew the details of McQueary's account, but didn't go public to treat Sandusky "humanely." I'm still floored by the complete and utter lack of reality these guys were living in and that the NCAA has not done more to sanction this football program. The cover up happened to protect the "program." It's that cut and dried. Children could have been saved if the Asshole Joe Paterno had just put an end to it and said to hell with what happens in our stupid little game.

There's also a great article on The Slate about why there's really no reason for Sandusky to plead out (which most in his situation would have already) - his age. Even a plea would mean life behind bars. No threat of death penalty (my addition - the article does not mention that). Perhaps, the threat of that would have spared these folks their latest agony.....

hedonist

What do you all think of the wife's role in this?

From testimony yesterday, she supposedly didn't hear one boy's cries for help while he was being raped in the basement of the Sandusky home.

gimmesometruth27

EdsonNascimento wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i think penn state related jurors have sense enough to put justice ahead of institution.

I guess it only takes one, but I agree with you.

If you look at all the recent Penn State Alumni polls, it clearly shows that even they think less of their University.

The quote that killed me was that the University President (and Joe Paterno) knew the details of McQueary's account, but didn't go public to treat Sandusky "humanely." I'm still floored by the complete and utter lack of reality these guys were living in and that the NCAA has not done more to sanction this football program. The cover up happened to protect the "program." It's that cut and dried. Children could have been saved if the Asshole Joe Paterno had just put an end to it and said to hell with what happens in our stupid little game.

There's also a great article on The Slate about why there's really no reason for Sandusky to plead out (which most in his situation would have already) - his age. Even a plea would mean life behind bars. No threat of death penalty (my addition - the article does not mention that). Perhaps, the threat of that would have spared these folks their latest agony.....

i agree with you too. it is going to be more than a conviction for sandusky, but this is an indictment on the entire culture of the penn state football program. too many people had seen something or heard the rumors and did not report the coach because of who he was or how it might affect the program. it is relly sad. what is the old saying? "evil exists when good men stand idly by and do nothing"....or something along those lines. i have forgotten :oops:

polaris_x

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

as for the wife ... i'm not too sure what to think ... it wouldn't shock me if she was oblivious ...

mysticweed

polaris_x wrote:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

as for the wife ... i'm not too sure what to think ... it wouldn't shock me if she was oblivious ...

i think she had to know
it couldn't have gone on as long as it did without her knowing something was very very wrong

polaris_x

mysticweed wrote:

i think she had to know
it couldn't have gone on as long as it did without her knowing something was very very wrong

maybe ... i don't know ...

this happened about a decade ago and dude would have been in his late 50's along with his wife ... they would have been married for like almost 40 years ... i can see her being totally oblivious considering they adopted a bunch of kids ...

hedonist

polaris_x wrote:

mysticweed wrote:

i think she had to know
it couldn't have gone on as long as it did without her knowing something was very very wrong

maybe ... i don't know ...

this happened about a decade ago and dude would have been in his late 50's along with his wife ... they would have been married for like almost 40 years ... i can see her being totally oblivious considering they adopted a bunch of kids ...

jesus...those poor adopted kids too. I can't imagine what they might have suffered.

I'll say this - I too don't know, but it just doesn't make sense to me for this to have happened only once in their home. Chances are it was a regular-basis type of thing (pedophiles tend to be that way) and if you're living with someone THAT long, you just don't "don't know".

I'm guess she put on blinders and earmuffs - willful oblivion.

pandora

Sandusky doesn't believe he did anything wrong ... he loves those boys.
His wife followed his cue ... not unusual.

I wonder if Sandusky was molested as a child.

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

Sandusky doesn't believe he did anything wrong ... he loves those boys.
His wife followed his cue ... not unusual.

I wonder if Sandusky was molested as a child.

how can performing oral and anal sex on multiple young boys and having him return the "favor" in any way shape or form be construed as appropriate behavior for a 50 year old man?? :?

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

Sandusky doesn't believe he did anything wrong ... he loves those boys.
His wife followed his cue ... not unusual.

I wonder if Sandusky was molested as a child.

how can performing oral and anal sex on multiple young boys and having him return the "favor" in any way shape or form be construed as appropriate behavior for a 50 year old man?? :?

who said it was appropriate behavior? and what does his age matter :?

pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.
As I said I wonder if he himself learned to love this way.

hedonist

pandora wrote:

pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.

Sorry, but I find this statement absolutely ridiculous; we're not talking NAMBLA here.

If that were the case, they wouldn't hide their "love" and "worship" from those who would throw their asses in jail or worse if that behavior was discovered.

They wouldn't "love" children by exploiting them, by fucking them, and by other unimaginable acts.

pandora

hedonist wrote:

pandora wrote:

pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.

Sorry, but I find this statement absolutely ridiculous; we're not talking NAMBLA here.

If that were the case, they wouldn't hide their "love" and "worship" from those who would throw their asses in jail or worse if that behavior was discovered.

They wouldn't "love" children by exploiting them, by fucking them, and by other unimaginable acts.

I didn't say it makes sense nor is common sense this is known in the medical world.
Google and read about the psychology behind these people and that for some it is learned behavior. ...
something they experienced.


"It's reasoning almost impossible for most of us to fully understand -- these pedophiles are delusional to the point where they believe that babies, toddlers and small children are born sexual beings that enjoy and aspire to have sex with adults. Not only do they enjoy it, pedophiles think, they proactively seek it out. They believe that children as young as infants flirt with them and find the most innocuous child-play a form of seductive manipulation. They truly believe small children, when swinging or playing hopscotch at the playground is really engaged in a sexual frolic; a signal to other pedophiles that they want to have sex with them. They see a baby crying as coy, sexual flirtation. It is a gross defect of monumental proportions, one without emotional or intellectual boundaries. It’s a classic case of “blame the victim”, but these victims cannot even fight or defend themselves."


It is terrifically messed up.

EdsonNascimento

hedonist wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

mysticweed wrote:

i think she had to know
it couldn't have gone on as long as it did without her knowing something was very very wrong

maybe ... i don't know ...

this happened about a decade ago and dude would have been in his late 50's along with his wife ... they would have been married for like almost 40 years ... i can see her being totally oblivious considering they adopted a bunch of kids ...

jesus...those poor adopted kids too. I can't imagine what they might have suffered.

I'll say this - I too don't know, but it just doesn't make sense to me for this to have happened only once in their home. Chances are it was a regular-basis type of thing (pedophiles tend to be that way) and if you're living with someone THAT long, you just don't "don't know".

I'm guess she put on blinders and earmuffs - willful oblivion.

This has to be it- willful oblivion. I mean she NEVER heard the screams (Even muffled)? She never wondered what he was going downstairs for? I have friends I trust 1000% with my kids, and I'll still check up on them. If they went down to a downstairs bedroom alone with them? Ummm... I'd do a lot more than checking. It has to be willful ignorance with a deep seeded knowledge she didn't want to admit to at the VERY LEAST.

A better question is - is SHE guilty of something? Clearly complicity. But, what's the legal terms? I'm guessing not much. I guess she'll have to live with herself and her decisions the rest of her life. That can't be pleasant. At some quiet moment she must at least let these thoughts creep (sorry, pun intended) into her mind and wonder - why didn't she do something? That can't be pleasant. You would have to be devoid of all human conscience to not have that gnaw at you. I'm sure like his "fans" she "comforts" herself with all the "good" he's done (Which is clearly stupid since any good he did was directly related to his sole goal). Nothing Machiavellian here.

hedonist

Beyond messed up, yes.

I had trouble with the "generally" part of your statement. I don't think the delusion mentioned applies to the majority.

Again, if they truly love and worship and see children as stated in the paragraph you posted, there would be no need to hide it.

They hide it because they know it's wrong AND YET STILL DO IT.

It's almost worse when that behavior is protected or ignored by those around.

Of course, despite having had some experience in this realm, I'm no expert, thank god.

pandora

This a good article on the subject relating to Sandusky it is a 2 pager
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... hilia.html

Becker has also studied how this perception plays into the so-called “grooming” of victims widely reported in the media in the wake of the Penn State scandal. Pedophiles will often spend months insinuating themselves into a child’s life, taking them to ball games, showering toys and gifts on them and becoming a part of the child’s universe—to the point where a child can’t recognize that a clear transgression has occurred when the interaction turns sexual. Or if the child does feel uncomfortable, he or she may still feel entangled with the adult and fear losing the relationship.

Yet according to Becker, the elaborate process isn’t exclusively about the sexual gratification they expect to gain from the effort. The bonding itself is a source of satisfaction, since many pedophiles identify so strongly with children. During therapy, Becker will attempt to facilitate relationships between pedophiles and other adults, helping them gain the social skills they often lack.

Becker also points out that many pedophiles don’t operate with cold clarity about the ethics of what they’re doing. Instead, they weave “cognitive distortions,” absolving themselves of guilt or responsibility. For example, they might tell themselves, “The child didn’t say no when I started,” or “somebody did it to me when I was a child, and I thought it was okay for me to do it too,” or “I truly love the child.”

hedonist

EdsonNascimento wrote:

A better question is - is SHE guilty of something? Clearly complicity. But, what's the legal terms? I'm guessing not much. I guess she'll have to live with herself and her decisions the rest of her life. That can't be pleasant. At some quiet moment she must at least let these thoughts creep (sorry, pun intended) into her mind and wonder - why didn't she do something? That can't be pleasant. You would have to be devoid of all human conscience to not have that gnaw at you. I'm sure like his "fans" she "comforts" herself with all the "good" he's done (Which is clearly stupid since any good he did was directly related to his sole goal). Nothing Machiavellian here.

Yup.

Whether she actually DID something or just went about her day while her grown-man husband was in the basement with children, I hope it does gnaw at her - constantly and deeply. Especially having "adopted" children into their home.

norm

hedonist wrote:

Again, if they truly love and worship and see children as stated in the paragraph you posted, there would be no need to hide it.

They hide it because they know it's wrong AND YET STILL DO IT.

and they would agree that they shouldn't have to hide it but yet they know society doesn't like it and they know they can get in trouble if they're found out

basically, trying to apply logic to pedophile thinking will not work...they're fucked in the head and there is no way to change them