Sandusky doesn't believe he did anything wrong ... he loves those boys.
His wife followed his cue ... not unusual.
I wonder if Sandusky was molested as a child.
how can performing oral and anal sex on multiple young boys and having him return the "favor" in any way shape or form be construed as appropriate behavior for a 50 year old man?? :?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Sandusky doesn't believe he did anything wrong ... he loves those boys.
His wife followed his cue ... not unusual.
I wonder if Sandusky was molested as a child.
how can performing oral and anal sex on multiple young boys and having him return the "favor" in any way shape or form be construed as appropriate behavior for a 50 year old man?? :?
who said it was appropriate behavior? and what does his age matter :?
pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.
As I said I wonder if he himself learned to love this way.
pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.
Sorry, but I find this statement absolutely ridiculous; we're not talking NAMBLA here.
If that were the case, they wouldn't hide their "love" and "worship" from those who would throw their asses in jail or worse if that behavior was discovered.
They wouldn't "love" children by exploiting them, by fucking them, and by other unimaginable acts.
pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.
Sorry, but I find this statement absolutely ridiculous; we're not talking NAMBLA here.
If that were the case, they wouldn't hide their "love" and "worship" from those who would throw their asses in jail or worse if that behavior was discovered.
They wouldn't "love" children by exploiting them, by fucking them, and by other unimaginable acts.
I didn't say it makes sense nor is common sense this is known in the medical world.
Google and read about the psychology behind these people and that for some it is learned behavior. ...
something they experienced.
"It's reasoning almost impossible for most of us to fully understand -- these pedophiles are delusional to the point where they believe that babies, toddlers and small children are born sexual beings that enjoy and aspire to have sex with adults. Not only do they enjoy it, pedophiles think, they proactively seek it out. They believe that children as young as infants flirt with them and find the most innocuous child-play a form of seductive manipulation. They truly believe small children, when swinging or playing hopscotch at the playground is really engaged in a sexual frolic; a signal to other pedophiles that they want to have sex with them. They see a baby crying as coy, sexual flirtation. It is a gross defect of monumental proportions, one without emotional or intellectual boundaries. It’s a classic case of “blame the victim”, but these victims cannot even fight or defend themselves."
i think she had to know
it couldn't have gone on as long as it did without her knowing something was very very wrong
maybe ... i don't know ...
this happened about a decade ago and dude would have been in his late 50's along with his wife ... they would have been married for like almost 40 years ... i can see her being totally oblivious considering they adopted a bunch of kids ...
jesus...those poor adopted kids too. I can't imagine what they might have suffered.
I'll say this - I too don't know, but it just doesn't make sense to me for this to have happened only once in their home. Chances are it was a regular-basis type of thing (pedophiles tend to be that way) and if you're living with someone THAT long, you just don't "don't know".
I'm guess she put on blinders and earmuffs - willful oblivion.
This has to be it- willful oblivion. I mean she NEVER heard the screams (Even muffled)? She never wondered what he was going downstairs for? I have friends I trust 1000% with my kids, and I'll still check up on them. If they went down to a downstairs bedroom alone with them? Ummm... I'd do a lot more than checking. It has to be willful ignorance with a deep seeded knowledge she didn't want to admit to at the VERY LEAST.
A better question is - is SHE guilty of something? Clearly complicity. But, what's the legal terms? I'm guessing not much. I guess she'll have to live with herself and her decisions the rest of her life. That can't be pleasant. At some quiet moment she must at least let these thoughts creep (sorry, pun intended) into her mind and wonder - why didn't she do something? That can't be pleasant. You would have to be devoid of all human conscience to not have that gnaw at you. I'm sure like his "fans" she "comforts" herself with all the "good" he's done (Which is clearly stupid since any good he did was directly related to his sole goal). Nothing Machiavellian here.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Becker has also studied how this perception plays into the so-called “grooming” of victims widely reported in the media in the wake of the Penn State scandal. Pedophiles will often spend months insinuating themselves into a child’s life, taking them to ball games, showering toys and gifts on them and becoming a part of the child’s universe—to the point where a child can’t recognize that a clear transgression has occurred when the interaction turns sexual. Or if the child does feel uncomfortable, he or she may still feel entangled with the adult and fear losing the relationship.
Yet according to Becker, the elaborate process isn’t exclusively about the sexual gratification they expect to gain from the effort. The bonding itself is a source of satisfaction, since many pedophiles identify so strongly with children. During therapy, Becker will attempt to facilitate relationships between pedophiles and other adults, helping them gain the social skills they often lack.
Becker also points out that many pedophiles don’t operate with cold clarity about the ethics of what they’re doing. Instead, they weave “cognitive distortions,” absolving themselves of guilt or responsibility. For example, they might tell themselves, “The child didn’t say no when I started,” or “somebody did it to me when I was a child, and I thought it was okay for me to do it too,” or “I truly love the child.”
A better question is - is SHE guilty of something? Clearly complicity. But, what's the legal terms? I'm guessing not much. I guess she'll have to live with herself and her decisions the rest of her life. That can't be pleasant. At some quiet moment she must at least let these thoughts creep (sorry, pun intended) into her mind and wonder - why didn't she do something? That can't be pleasant. You would have to be devoid of all human conscience to not have that gnaw at you. I'm sure like his "fans" she "comforts" herself with all the "good" he's done (Which is clearly stupid since any good he did was directly related to his sole goal). Nothing Machiavellian here.
Yup.
Whether she actually DID something or just went about her day while her grown-man husband was in the basement with children, I hope it does gnaw at her - constantly and deeply. Especially having "adopted" children into their home.
Again, if they truly love and worship and see children as stated in the paragraph you posted, there would be no need to hide it.
They hide it because they know it's wrong AND YET STILL DO IT.
and they would agree that they shouldn't have to hide it but yet they know society doesn't like it and they know they can get in trouble if they're found out
basically, trying to apply logic to pedophile thinking will not work...they're fucked in the head and there is no way to change them
I had trouble with the "generally" part of your statement. I don't think the delusion mentioned applies to the majority.
Again, if they truly love and worship and see children as stated in the paragraph you posted, there would be no need to hide it.
They hide it because they know it's wrong AND YET STILL DO IT.
It's almost worse when that behavior is protected or ignored by those around.
Of course, despite having had some experience in this realm, I'm no expert, thank god.
Not so sure Sandusky did consciously hide it, he was a man who built his life around kids.
He played with them in a kid like manner... that became sex play which is classic.
That is also how normal adults often explore sexuality when they are just learning
exploring as kids.
The fact he is pleading not guilty and wants to get on the stand
he must to some degree feel he did nothing wrong.
Perhaps he feels he's not innocent but not guilty also in his motives.
It's more complex than what people think.
In looking for info though I found a pro pedophile article that gave me the creeps.
Pedophiles love the internet almost as much as they love kids. I won't post that article
though it is too upsetting.
basically, trying to apply logic to pedophile thinking will not work...they're fucked in the head and there is no way to change them
Sad to say you're right, norm.
Correct no way to change them but some drugs and counseling have helped curb
and even keep them from victimizing children.
If we can do this and break the cycle for those who experience and learn as children
that this behavior is ok maybe we can protect our children before the act not after.
Also the idea of young children being adult like... even early teens, in behavior,
in physical appearance, in freedoms, we help if we remove the same.
i am wondering how Sandusky still walks into court everyday after day
i always think someone, somewhere enjoys snipering out pedophiles for entertainment purposes, i mean, think about it. it would be ideal for a high power rifle expert or car bomb dude. when Sandusky enters the prison system it is on like mad for that piece of garbage. literally fellow inmates will fight one another to get at Sandusky.
goodnight, high profile child molester. you are going home in a cold dark box. end of story
pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.
You're wrong here. Pedophiles know what they are doing is wrong, and the go through an emotional, behavioral, and mental process to make it okay. You saying 'they believe they are showing love' is a reflection on their manipulation of others and their m.o. of grooming victims. To believe it creates an environment that perpetuates the offending behavior. Even after they are caught, they will use this as a defense because they may actually think it, but that's not what's happening underneath this thinking. This is a defense in order to hopefully gain some sympathy or lower consequences, but also an attempt to reduce their own guilt.
My guess is the ones that kill themselves after (or before) they are caught weren't so successful in convincing themselves that they were 'showing love'. Sandusky is probably in this way so deep due to his age and most likely because he been a sex offender for a long time. He's even is going to take the stand after saying he's sexually attracted to children.
pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.
You're wrong here. Pedophiles know what they are doing is wrong, and the go through an emotional, behavioral, and mental process to make it okay. You saying 'they believe they are showing love' is a reflection on their manipulation of others and their m.o. of grooming victims. To believe it creates an environment that perpetuates the offending behavior. Even after they are caught, they will use this as a defense because they may actually think it, but that's not what's happening underneath this thinking. This is a defense in order to hopefully gain some sympathy or lower consequences, but also an attempt to reduce their own guilt.
My guess is the ones that kill themselves after (or before) they are caught weren't so successful in convincing themselves that they were 'showing love'. Sandusky is probably in this way so deep due to his age and most likely because he been a sex offender for a long time. He's even is going to take the stand after saying he's sexually attracted to children.
Whether it is their manipulation of facts or not, they love and worship children...
you can find this fact in many studies. They believe they are showing love.
The info I have posted states just how sick their perception of children can be,
believing children are sexual beings as young as toddlers.
The main thing is to understand pedophiles so they can be conquered.
To keep others from being abused who may continue the cycle and
to make parents aware of how they operate.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
sigh...great job nbc...most journalists i know always let's the interviewee dictate the terms of what gets aired...especially when said interviewee admits to pedophilia
"Well -- you might think that. I don't know. In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways." http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... rview?lite
sigh...great job nbc...most journalists i know always let's the interviewee dictate the terms of what gets aired...especially when said interviewee admits to pedophilia
"Well -- you might think that. I don't know. In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways." http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... rview?lite
What the? :?
Why in the heck are we just hearing about this now? Especially in a day and age where "journalists" slit each others wrists to break a story???
Yes I have heard this before it sounded very damning the first go around too
His lawyers should have shut him up first thing... who does interviews :?
but maybe a method to the madness...
to show how sick he is. His grandeur, his ego, his denial of wrong doing so
typically that of a pedophile. Picking and choosing thinking he was helping, showing special love, to certain boys, removing his own guilt. Perhaps they want him hospitalized.
But he will most likely go to jail.
The victims will get money and the satisfaction he is stopped.
Parents learn a little more about pedophiles and not to trust anyone,
even admired people, near their children. It is up to them to protect.
Most importantly, parents will have discussed this and hopefully children
will be more empowered and know warning signs and feel they can tell before the fact.
Damn. I was wondering how their adopted children fared (or tried to) through all this.
I have to wonder though...the article said this dude was adopted by them when he was already an adult? Doesn't one have to give consent to that? And if so, how could he?
I'm sure I've said it before but man, this is one fucked up situation.
I would think supporters would be few now considering an adopted son came forward,
perhaps a little late :?
Conspiracy theory amongst the victims, motive for money was something his supporters
used to deny the real Sandusky. Don't think they can be denying any longer who or what he is.
I wonder why mental defect had not been used in his defense,
his lawyers couldn't possibly have thought he would get off.
Comments
His wife followed his cue ... not unusual.
I wonder if Sandusky was molested as a child.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
pedophiles generally truly believe they are showing love... they worship children.
As I said I wonder if he himself learned to love this way.
If that were the case, they wouldn't hide their "love" and "worship" from those who would throw their asses in jail or worse if that behavior was discovered.
They wouldn't "love" children by exploiting them, by fucking them, and by other unimaginable acts.
Google and read about the psychology behind these people and that for some it is learned behavior. ...
something they experienced.
"It's reasoning almost impossible for most of us to fully understand -- these pedophiles are delusional to the point where they believe that babies, toddlers and small children are born sexual beings that enjoy and aspire to have sex with adults. Not only do they enjoy it, pedophiles think, they proactively seek it out. They believe that children as young as infants flirt with them and find the most innocuous child-play a form of seductive manipulation. They truly believe small children, when swinging or playing hopscotch at the playground is really engaged in a sexual frolic; a signal to other pedophiles that they want to have sex with them. They see a baby crying as coy, sexual flirtation. It is a gross defect of monumental proportions, one without emotional or intellectual boundaries. It’s a classic case of “blame the victim”, but these victims cannot even fight or defend themselves."
It is terrifically messed up.
This has to be it- willful oblivion. I mean she NEVER heard the screams (Even muffled)? She never wondered what he was going downstairs for? I have friends I trust 1000% with my kids, and I'll still check up on them. If they went down to a downstairs bedroom alone with them? Ummm... I'd do a lot more than checking. It has to be willful ignorance with a deep seeded knowledge she didn't want to admit to at the VERY LEAST.
A better question is - is SHE guilty of something? Clearly complicity. But, what's the legal terms? I'm guessing not much. I guess she'll have to live with herself and her decisions the rest of her life. That can't be pleasant. At some quiet moment she must at least let these thoughts creep (sorry, pun intended) into her mind and wonder - why didn't she do something? That can't be pleasant. You would have to be devoid of all human conscience to not have that gnaw at you. I'm sure like his "fans" she "comforts" herself with all the "good" he's done (Which is clearly stupid since any good he did was directly related to his sole goal). Nothing Machiavellian here.
I had trouble with the "generally" part of your statement. I don't think the delusion mentioned applies to the majority.
Again, if they truly love and worship and see children as stated in the paragraph you posted, there would be no need to hide it.
They hide it because they know it's wrong AND YET STILL DO IT.
It's almost worse when that behavior is protected or ignored by those around.
Of course, despite having had some experience in this realm, I'm no expert, thank god.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... hilia.html
Becker has also studied how this perception plays into the so-called “grooming” of victims widely reported in the media in the wake of the Penn State scandal. Pedophiles will often spend months insinuating themselves into a child’s life, taking them to ball games, showering toys and gifts on them and becoming a part of the child’s universe—to the point where a child can’t recognize that a clear transgression has occurred when the interaction turns sexual. Or if the child does feel uncomfortable, he or she may still feel entangled with the adult and fear losing the relationship.
Yet according to Becker, the elaborate process isn’t exclusively about the sexual gratification they expect to gain from the effort. The bonding itself is a source of satisfaction, since many pedophiles identify so strongly with children. During therapy, Becker will attempt to facilitate relationships between pedophiles and other adults, helping them gain the social skills they often lack.
Becker also points out that many pedophiles don’t operate with cold clarity about the ethics of what they’re doing. Instead, they weave “cognitive distortions,” absolving themselves of guilt or responsibility. For example, they might tell themselves, “The child didn’t say no when I started,” or “somebody did it to me when I was a child, and I thought it was okay for me to do it too,” or “I truly love the child.”
Whether she actually DID something or just went about her day while her grown-man husband was in the basement with children, I hope it does gnaw at her - constantly and deeply. Especially having "adopted" children into their home.
and they would agree that they shouldn't have to hide it but yet they know society doesn't like it and they know they can get in trouble if they're found out
basically, trying to apply logic to pedophile thinking will not work...they're fucked in the head and there is no way to change them
He played with them in a kid like manner... that became sex play which is classic.
That is also how normal adults often explore sexuality when they are just learning
exploring as kids.
The fact he is pleading not guilty and wants to get on the stand
he must to some degree feel he did nothing wrong.
Perhaps he feels he's not innocent but not guilty also in his motives.
It's more complex than what people think.
In looking for info though I found a pro pedophile article that gave me the creeps.
Pedophiles love the internet almost as much as they love kids. I won't post that article
though it is too upsetting.
and even keep them from victimizing children.
If we can do this and break the cycle for those who experience and learn as children
that this behavior is ok maybe we can protect our children before the act not after.
Also the idea of young children being adult like... even early teens, in behavior,
in physical appearance, in freedoms, we help if we remove the same.
Let kids be kids ... they are not little adults.
i always think someone, somewhere enjoys snipering out pedophiles for entertainment purposes, i mean, think about it. it would be ideal for a high power rifle expert or car bomb dude. when Sandusky enters the prison system it is on like mad for that piece of garbage. literally fellow inmates will fight one another to get at Sandusky.
goodnight, high profile child molester. you are going home in a cold dark box. end of story
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
You're wrong here. Pedophiles know what they are doing is wrong, and the go through an emotional, behavioral, and mental process to make it okay. You saying 'they believe they are showing love' is a reflection on their manipulation of others and their m.o. of grooming victims. To believe it creates an environment that perpetuates the offending behavior. Even after they are caught, they will use this as a defense because they may actually think it, but that's not what's happening underneath this thinking. This is a defense in order to hopefully gain some sympathy or lower consequences, but also an attempt to reduce their own guilt.
My guess is the ones that kill themselves after (or before) they are caught weren't so successful in convincing themselves that they were 'showing love'. Sandusky is probably in this way so deep due to his age and most likely because he been a sex offender for a long time. He's even is going to take the stand after saying he's sexually attracted to children.
you can find this fact in many studies. They believe they are showing love.
The info I have posted states just how sick their perception of children can be,
believing children are sexual beings as young as toddlers.
The main thing is to understand pedophiles so they can be conquered.
To keep others from being abused who may continue the cycle and
to make parents aware of how they operate.
Also - Joe Paterno is a coward.
absolutely
i believe mrs j paterno knew as well
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
Why in the heck are we just hearing about this now? Especially in a day and age where "journalists" slit each others wrists to break a story???
:fp:
Hadn't seen this though - "and I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped."
Oh, OK...not EVERY young person...just the ones who appealed to you?
Fucker.
His lawyers should have shut him up first thing... who does interviews :?
but maybe a method to the madness...
to show how sick he is. His grandeur, his ego, his denial of wrong doing so
typically that of a pedophile. Picking and choosing thinking he was helping, showing special love,
to certain boys, removing his own guilt. Perhaps they want him hospitalized.
But he will most likely go to jail.
The victims will get money and the satisfaction he is stopped.
Parents learn a little more about pedophiles and not to trust anyone,
even admired people, near their children. It is up to them to protect.
Most importantly, parents will have discussed this and hopefully children
will be more empowered and know warning signs and feel they can tell before the fact.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... kys_a.html
I have to wonder though...the article said this dude was adopted by them when he was already an adult? Doesn't one have to give consent to that? And if so, how could he?
I'm sure I've said it before but man, this is one fucked up situation.
perhaps a little late :?
Conspiracy theory amongst the victims, motive for money was something his supporters
used to deny the real Sandusky. Don't think they can be denying any longer who or what he is.
I wonder why mental defect had not been used in his defense,
his lawyers couldn't possibly have thought he would get off.
i have very little left so this will probably put it over the edge
should the prosecution worry? the longer deliberations go the better the chances are for the defense...
on the other hand, there are 40 something counts. perhaps they are going through and being very thorough with exactly what he is guilty of....
definitely interesting though. i thought it was an open and shut case....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."