Ban 'anonymous' speech online?

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    .... If a few certain people on this forum weren't anonymous they would probably be receiving hate mail on a regular basis, and possibly threatening phone calls....

    if that is even a possibility then its a shame.. and clearly people have way too much time on their hands and not enough sense. id hate to think anyone here would be capable of such behaviour... but hey who knows who all of you all are. ;)8-)
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    .... If a few certain people on this forum weren't anonymous they would probably be receiving hate mail on a regular basis, and possibly threatening phone calls....

    if that is even a possibility then its a shame.. and clearly people have way too much time on their hands and not enough sense. id hate to think anyone here would be capable of such behaviour... but hey who knows who all of you all are. ;)8-)

    There are plenty of people who become really full of rage because of online discussions - it is DEFINITELY best that people be anonymous online considering all the loonies out there! ... Uh, just ask the band and their stalkers. :? The 10C forum probably has about the same ratio of crazies as the world at large does, so yeah, I totally think it could be dangerous for people to be forced to identify themselves here or on any other discussion forum.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    pandora wrote:
    It is condoning extremely bad behavior
    pro-choice is pro-abortion
    anti war means one is for the terrorists
    being for social security reform means one hates old people and invalids...
    being against the drug war means someone is for drug abuse.
    i couldn't possibly type them all...These are all deliberate mis-characterizations determined to obfuscate the motives of the other side

    being against this law means you are for bullies and condone their behavior? We have had this conversation on other topics, I will now ask for your name, address and IP number since you are, deliberately or not, mischaracterizing my feelings on the topic and I feel wronged.
    They are not educated to the problem and are unwilling to remove the shield for fear.
    Fear someone may do something to them.
    You have very little idea what I do for a living...if you did you may not have typed this.

    his insinuated I am not educated enough to know better, that was mean, see above

    "Me lying and being a little malicious in intent"... your words,

    more lack of understanding as to the harm done, more not taking responsibility for
    one's actions or words. Being accountable.

    see above. I have no lack of understanding. I just don't think the government is the entity that will stop it. So please stop mischaracterizing what people say.
    and by the way, lying and half truths aren't illegal.


    If you feel you are abused there are already legal remedies in place. and it does not include the forced housing of internet users information. So I am glad you want to live in a society where everyone is nice...so do I...let's see if we can get it through force.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    It is condoning extremely bad behavior
    pro-choice is pro-abortion
    anti war means one is for the terrorists
    being for social security reform means one hates old people and invalids...
    being against the drug war means someone is for drug abuse.
    i couldn't possibly type them all...These are all deliberate mis-characterizations determined to obfuscate the motives of the other side

    being against this law means you are for bullies and condone their behavior? We have had this conversation on other topics, I will now ask for your name, address and IP number since you are, deliberately or not, mischaracterizing my feelings on the topic and I feel wronged.
    They are not educated to the problem and are unwilling to remove the shield for fear.
    Fear someone may do something to them.
    You have very little idea what I do for a living...if you did you may not have typed this.

    his insinuated I am not educated enough to know better, that was mean, see above

    "Me lying and being a little malicious in intent"... your words,

    more lack of understanding as to the harm done, more not taking responsibility for
    one's actions or words. Being accountable.

    see above. I have no lack of understanding. I just don't think the government is the entity that will stop it. So please stop mischaracterizing what people say.
    and by the way, lying and half truths aren't illegal.


    If you feel you are abused there are already legal remedies in place. and it does not include the forced housing of internet users information. So I am glad you want to live in a society where everyone is nice...so do I...let's see if we can get it through force.
    :clap:
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    It is condoning extremely bad behavior
    pro-choice is pro-abortion
    anti war means one is for the terrorists
    being for social security reform means one hates old people and invalids...
    being against the drug war means someone is for drug abuse.
    i couldn't possibly type them all...These are all deliberate mis-characterizations determined to obfuscate the motives of the other side

    being against this law means you are for bullies and condone their behavior? We have had this conversation on other topics, I will now ask for your name, address and IP number since you are, deliberately or not, mischaracterizing my feelings on the topic and I feel wronged.
    They are not educated to the problem and are unwilling to remove the shield for fear.
    Fear someone may do something to them.
    You have very little idea what I do for a living...if you did you may not have typed this.

    his insinuated I am not educated enough to know better, that was mean, see above

    "Me lying and being a little malicious in intent"... your words,

    more lack of understanding as to the harm done, more not taking responsibility for
    one's actions or words. Being accountable.

    see above. I have no lack of understanding. I just don't think the government is the entity that will stop it. So please stop mischaracterizing what people say.
    and by the way, lying and half truths aren't illegal.


    If you feel you are abused there are already legal remedies in place. and it does not include the forced housing of internet users information. So I am glad you want to live in a society where everyone is nice...so do I...let's see if we can get it through force.
    mike hitting it out of the park again....you are definitely a more patient man than I....
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    .... If a few certain people on this forum weren't anonymous they would probably be receiving hate mail on a regular basis, and possibly threatening phone calls....

    if that is even a possibility then its a shame.. and clearly people have way too much time on their hands and not enough sense. id hate to think anyone here would be capable of such behaviour... but hey who knows who all of you all are. ;)8-)

    There are plenty of people who become really full of rage because of online discussions - it is DEFINITELY best that people be anonymous online considering all the loonies out there! ... Uh, just ask the band and their stalkers. :? The 10C forum probably has about the same ratio of crazies as the world at large does, so yeah, I totally think it could be dangerous for people to be forced to identify themselves here or on any other discussion forum.

    and who is even to say that the identity i offer up as my legitimate one is even real? who is gonna be policing that? will we have to show govt approved Id somewhere? its ridiculous to even think a 'ban' on on line anonymity is even workable... cause lets face it.. the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    ... but hey who knows who all of you all are. ;)8-)
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    I try to keep it tame here too... If we really want to get into it you can follow me on Twitter.... My name is provided there... Where I go to school, where I live, for all to see. :-P
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    I try to keep it tame here too... If we really want to get into it you can follow me on Twitter.... My name is provided there... Where I go to school, where I live, for all to see. :-P

    can you provide me with some sort of photo Id before i activate twitter.. just so i know you are who you say you are. ;)8-)
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I try to keep it tame here too... If we really want to get into it you can follow me on Twitter.... My name is provided there... Where I go to school, where I live, for all to see. :-P
    :D
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    I try to keep it tame here too... If we really want to get into it you can follow me on Twitter.... My name is provided there... Where I go to school, where I live, for all to see. :-P

    can you provide me with some sort of photo Id before i activate twitter.. just so i know you are who you say you are. ;)8-)

    https://twitter.com/#!/Steam_Boatwilly :D
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    I try to keep it tame here too... If we really want to get into it you can follow me on Twitter.... My name is provided there... Where I go to school, where I live, for all to see. :-P

    can you provide me with some sort of photo Id before i activate twitter.. just so i know you are who you say you are. ;)8-)

    https://twitter.com/#!/Steam_Boatwilly :D


    content could not be accessed. i have an anti evil filter on my computer that disables anything even remotely disney related. *shrugs* ;)8-)
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293


    content could not be accessed. i have an anti evil filter on my computer that disables anything even remotely disney related. *shrugs* ;)8-)

    Still waiting for a lawsuit from Disney... :lol:
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    It is condoning extremely bad behavior
    pro-choice is pro-abortion
    anti war means one is for the terrorists
    being for social security reform means one hates old people and invalids...
    being against the drug war means someone is for drug abuse.
    i couldn't possibly type them all...These are all deliberate mis-characterizations determined to obfuscate the motives of the other side

    being against this law means you are for bullies and condone their behavior? We have had this conversation on other topics, I will now ask for your name, address and IP number since you are, deliberately or not, mischaracterizing my feelings on the topic and I feel wronged.
    They are not educated to the problem and are unwilling to remove the shield for fear.
    Fear someone may do something to them.
    You have very little idea what I do for a living...if you did you may not have typed this.

    his insinuated I am not educated enough to know better, that was mean, see above

    "Me lying and being a little malicious in intent"... your words,

    more lack of understanding as to the harm done, more not taking responsibility for
    one's actions or words. Being accountable.

    see above. I have no lack of understanding. I just don't think the government is the entity that will stop it. So please stop mischaracterizing what people say.
    and by the way, lying and half truths aren't illegal.


    If you feel you are abused there are already legal remedies in place. and it does not include the forced housing of internet users information. So I am glad you want to live in a society where everyone is nice...so do I...let's see if we can get it through force.
    yet it is out of fear you do not want this proposal???
    many here have used that as a basis for why they do not want it,
    that and loss of speech when there is none.

    It will help to provide a conscience for those who have none,
    it will provide accountability and protect as our laws do.

    It will be like eye to eye, face to face.
    We remove the chance to menace because we are not hidden.
    Internet bullies are truly cowards they are not face to face bullies.
    The internet provides a whole new generation of bullies of opportunity alone
    because they are hidden. Remove the veil.

    A law like this will be the eventual outcome as the public demands
    protection. As in the case of the Do good Senator getting bashed by lies from
    someone who hates the way he looks. Enough of this type of stuff already.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    ...
    A law like this will be the eventual outcome as the public demands
    protection...

    i suspect the public are more likely to say..

    dear government,

    please fuck off out of my life.

    love,
    the citizenry.


    big govt/ small govt.. which is it people???? cause it cant be both.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    can you provide me with some sort of photo Id before i activate twitter.. just so i know you are who you say you are. ;)8-)

    https://twitter.com/#!/Steam_Boatwilly :D[/quote]


    content could not be accessed. i have an anti evil filter on my computer that disables anything even remotely disney related. *shrugs* ;)8-)[/quote]



    :evil: :nono:
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003

    content could not be accessed. i have an anti evil filter on my computer that disables anything even remotely disney related. *shrugs* ;)8-)



    :evil: :nono:


    what can i say.. the guys at microsoft designed it especially for me. youve no idea the relief i get from not being able to access princesses, weird looking dogs and mice who think they can handle their magic. :lol:8-)
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293

    content could not be accessed. i have an anti evil filter on my computer that disables anything even remotely disney related. *shrugs* ;)8-)



    :evil: :nono:


    what can i say.. the guys at microsoft designed it especially for me. youve no idea the relief i get from not being able to access princesses, weird looking dogs and mice who think they can handle their magic. :lol:8-)

    Yeah, most of that stuff is crap... But the original Steamboat Willy... He was a badass.
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    :lol::lol::lol: dont know what your missin
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Yeah, most of that stuff is crap... But the original Steamboat Willy... He was a badass.

    ive discovered aqua teen hunger force.. anything else pales in comparison. 8-)
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Yeah, most of that stuff is crap... But the original Steamboat Willy... He was a badass.

    ive discovered aqua teen hunger force.. anything else pales in comparison. 8-)

    Yeah? Great show... I've always been a big Metalocalypse fan... and Super Jail... Though that stuff is pretty crazy violent. :shock:
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    you know i should just come clean now.


    my real name isnt cate... its catherine. i apologise if ive deceived any of you... but you know i just wanted to be able to say what i needed to say without having flaming bags of dogpoop left on my doorstep.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    When it comes down to it, I think that people just need to get a fucking grip and stop being such simpering wimps. Ooooooo, you're offended! ... Well, who cares?? As for bullying... time for parents and the education system to step up there. That's not what this legislation is about, and it's not what will fix it. As someone else said, there are already laws to protect people from slander. Restricting our freedom and threatening our privacy and increasing our risk of identity fraud is not the way to go. It is simply a bunch of scared politicians whining like they think they're fucking Sarah Palin or something.

    Pandora, I'm considering nicknaming you Big Sister. I can't believe you support such legislation. It's a very bad idea to enact law that is intended to stop a small minority from misusing something that is otherwise good by restricting everyone from it. That's insane. It can't work that way.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    i suspect the public are more likely to say..

    dear government,

    please fuck off out of my life.

    love,
    the citizenry.


    big govt/ small govt.. which is it people???? cause it cant be both.
    A-fucking-men.

    I cannot fathom how this basic and important point could be neglected, along with the many other sound arguments that have been made here.

    (and this is not me asking for further clarification toward the other perspective - I get it! :D )
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
    There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
    and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

    I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
    Well, they are but this isn't part of it ;):lol:

    There is no restrictions...
    say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
    go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
    I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
    It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
    my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
    No fear.

    Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

    This proposal will insure this.
    If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

    This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

    Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
    or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,615
    pandora wrote:
    All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
    There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
    and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

    I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
    Well, they are but this isn't part of it ;):lol:

    There is no restrictions...
    say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
    go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
    I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
    It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
    my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
    No fear.

    Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

    This proposal will insure this.
    If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

    This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

    Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
    or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

    I posted these examples a few days ago:

    Pandora:

    Hypothetically, if you were being abused by your husband, and you wanted to discuss it online with other such victims, would you want to divulge your identity?

    If your child was confused about his sexuality, would you want him to be compelled to divulge his identity on a message board where others in the same situation can discuss their issues?

    Cyber bullying is a problem, but in the big picture, there are many more important factors that make this proposed law very dangerous.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    So many assumptions, so little time.

    How about this...those who want to put their personal information out there do so if they choose - in the name of keeping "honest" and "accountable", and we'll assume that those who choose not to are nefarious, deceitful bullies.

    Those HAVE to be the only two options.

    Welcome to Stepford, folks.
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    pandora wrote:
    All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
    There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
    and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

    I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
    Well, they are but this isn't part of it ;):lol:

    There is no restrictions...
    say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
    go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
    I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
    It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
    my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
    No fear.

    Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

    This proposal will insure this.
    If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

    This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

    Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
    or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

    I would ask those in witness protection or whistle blowers that risk everything to do the right thing. While I see your point, It's not all about bullying, and we have to be careful that we don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Suppressing anonymous speech where people can speak and communicate without fear of retribution by others or the government is a very high price to pay.
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
    There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
    and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

    I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
    Well, they are but this isn't part of it ;):lol:

    There is no restrictions...
    say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
    go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
    I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
    It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
    my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
    No fear.

    Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

    This proposal will insure this.
    If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

    This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

    Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
    or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

    I posted these examples a few days ago:

    Pandora:

    Hypothetically, if you were being abused by your husband, and you wanted to discuss it online with other such victims, would you want to divulge your identity?

    If your child was confused about his sexuality, would you want him to be compelled to divulge his identity on a message board where others in the same situation can discuss their issues?

    Cyber bullying is a problem, but in the big picture, there are many more important factors that make this proposed law very dangerous.
    I do not think speaking about, or asking for advice, with god knows who about personal topics,
    like abuse and one's sexuality belongs in an anonymous environment
    simply because people are not who they say they are. We all know this.
    Here there everywhere.
    If a victim has no trusted family or friends
    seek out help groups which are available in everyone's community
    that is a much better option.
    There, face to face eye to eye, one recieves honesty and true caring
    and real life solutions most often given by survivors or trained professional.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,615
    pandora wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
    There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
    and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

    I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
    Well, they are but this isn't part of it ;):lol:

    There is no restrictions...
    say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
    go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
    I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
    It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
    my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
    No fear.

    Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

    This proposal will insure this.
    If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

    This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

    Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
    or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

    I posted these examples a few days ago:

    Pandora:

    Hypothetically, if you were being abused by your husband, and you wanted to discuss it online with other such victims, would you want to divulge your identity?

    If your child was confused about his sexuality, would you want him to be compelled to divulge his identity on a message board where others in the same situation can discuss their issues?

    Cyber bullying is a problem, but in the big picture, there are many more important factors that make this proposed law very dangerous.
    I do not think speaking about, or asking for advice, with god knows who about personal topics,
    like abuse and one's sexuality belongs in an anonymous environment
    simply because people are not who they say they are. We all know this.
    Here there everywhere.
    If a victim has no trusted family or friends
    seek out help groups which are available in everyone's community
    that is a much better option.
    There, face to face eye to eye, one recieves honesty and true caring
    and real life solutions most often given by survivors or trained professional.


    I wasn't asking your opinion about how one should find support/seek advice.
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