Ya know, the solution towards bullying isn't to create laws against it. The real solution is having a stronger self-esteem, confidence and ability to ignore anyone who gets under your skin.
No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
Really? :fp: good grief
Mental cruelty is very real, so real it is grounds for divorce.
Emotional abuse by a parent can remove that child from the household.
Emotional abuse can get a teacher fired.
Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical. Do a little research on cyber bullying,
what the criteria is, what the effects and results are before you dismiss
all those suffering by saying ... chin up
Do you think we have cyber bullies here? Because we do not. We have posting guidelines
to keep them away.
Like I said, No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you offwithoutyourpermission.
Really? I must have some people's permission then
so you are dismissing emotional abuse in children too?
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Ya know, the solution towards bullying isn't to create laws against it. The real solution is having a stronger self-esteem, confidence and ability to ignore anyone who gets under your skin.
No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
Really? :fp: good grief
Mental cruelty is very real, so real it is grounds for divorce.
Emotional abuse by a parent can remove that child from the household.
Emotional abuse can get a teacher fired.
Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical. Do a little research on cyber bullying,
what the criteria is, what the effects and results are before you dismiss
all those suffering by saying ... chin up
Do you think we have cyber bullies here? Because we do not. We have posting guidelines
to keep them away.
How do you know we do NOT have cyberbullies you seem to be the *Love Bully*. Bullying is bullying whichever way one may want to cut it. A *Love Bully* could be offensive to someone else who let's say doesn't want to be loved by the *Love Bully*.
Since this Pearl Jam site's posting guidlines can keep the cyberbullies away why then the need for this proposal/law here or on any other site?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.
Ya know, the solution towards bullying isn't to create laws against it. The real solution is having a stronger self-esteem, confidence and ability to ignore anyone who gets under your skin.
No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
Really? :fp: good grief
Mental cruelty is very real, so real it is grounds for divorce.
Emotional abuse by a parent can remove that child from the household.
Emotional abuse can get a teacher fired.
Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical. Do a little research on cyber bullying,
what the criteria is, what the effects and results are before you dismiss
all those suffering by saying ... chin up
Do you think we have cyber bullies here? Because we do not. We have posting guidelines
to keep them away.
How do you know we do NOT have cyberbullies you seem to be the *Love Bully*. Bullying is bullying whichever way one may want to cut it. A *Love Bully* could be offensive to someone else who let's say doesn't want to be loved by the *Love Bully*.
Since this Pearl Jam site's posting guidlines can keep the cyberbullies away why then the need for this proposal/law here or on any other site?
Peace
I guess cause other sites aren't doing it this is a state wide proposal for New York.
Love bullying I just want to Stop The Hate and you want
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.
I'm not a victim of cyber bulling or emotional abuse.
It is not fair for a victim to have to walk away when they are not offending
or breaking any rules or guidelines.
Even here, that is not the case. The offenders who break the rules get a timeout, that is basic.
In school, at work, in real life, there are consequences to breaking rules.
Why should cyber bullying be different?
But what about my question?
Do you dismiss emotional abuse for the children as well?
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Ya know, the solution towards bullying isn't to create laws against it. The real solution is having a stronger self-esteem, confidence and ability to ignore anyone who gets under your skin.
No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
Really? :fp: good grief
Mental cruelty is very real, so real it is grounds for divorce.
Emotional abuse by a parent can remove that child from the household.
Emotional abuse can get a teacher fired.
Emotional abuse is as damaging as physical. Do a little research on cyber bullying,
what the criteria is, what the effects and results are before you dismiss
all those suffering by saying ... chin up
Do you think we have cyber bullies here? Because we do not. We have posting guidelines
to keep them away.
How do you know we do NOT have cyberbullies you seem to be the *Love Bully*. Bullying is bullying whichever way one may want to cut it. A *Love Bully* could be offensive to someone else who let's say doesn't want to be loved by the *Love Bully*.
Since this Pearl Jam site's posting guidlines can keep the cyberbullies away why then the need for this proposal/law here or on any other site?
Peace
I guess cause other sites aren't doing it this is a state wide proposal for New York.
Love bullying I just want to Stop The Hate and you want
Peace
Way too much control given to websites and even more difficulty controlling any cyberbulling behavior. Who knows whomaybe biased to have the need or urgency for this proposal to go forward.
I would feel the very same way if instead from your view ending cyberbulling, I would feel if the word was PEACE. I would not want this proposal to become law.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
one can speak freely under this proposal
while following the deemed guidelines and rules of the site administrators
Do you feel you have no freedom of speech here norm? that the guidelines remove them?
this proposal wants the same type of respectful guidelines as we have
The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
Correct in how things work here, this what the proposal is looking for as a rule.
This proposal was created for sites that have no guidelines, it encourages guidelines to be made
that are deemed appropriate for and by the administrator.
The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
...
ADD: The big difference between moderated sites and this crappy legislation is... the moderators here (and on other Open/Topical Web forums) are not required to post our names and home addresses if some over sensitive, pansie fuck reports us on unfounded allegations of cyber-abuse basedupon subjective messages.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.
I'm not a victim of cyber bulling or emotional abuse.
It is not fair for a victim to have to walk away when they are not offending
or breaking any rules or guidelines.
Even here, that is not the case. The offenders who break the rules get a timeout, that is basic.
In school, at work, in real life, there are consequences to breaking rules.
Why should cyber bullying be different?
But what about my question?
Do you dismiss emotional abuse for the children as well?
This legislation has nothing to with emotional abuse for children.
And I will say it again. You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY. Legislation is not necessary.
Since you claim to be so pro-love, then go out and spread the love rather than support more unnecessary laws. What you are doing is in direct contrast to what you preach.
As I saw on a church billboard: "God prefers kind atheists to hateful Christians."
I would feel the very same way if instead from your view ending cyberbulling, I would feel if the word was PEACE. I would not want this proposal to become law.
Peace
And that's the difference between being about love / peace and being about hate. If one would rather expend their energy pushing for legislation to control cyber-bullying (which is really about govt control, but anyway) rather than focusing on real love and peace through positive means, then that energy is negative, angst filled energy. Pandora is expending negative, while g under p expends positive energy. Because anything involving issues regarding control is negative.
And that's the difference between being about love / peace and being about hate. If one would rather expend their energy pushing for legislation to control cyber-bullying (which is really about govt control, but anyway) rather than focusing on real love and peace through positive means, then that energy is negative, angst filled energy. Pandora is expending negative, while g under p expends positive energy. Because anything involving issues regarding control is negative.
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What I learned... because I oppose this legislation, I am a victim hating cyber-bully who is pro-rapist, for child abuse who does not believe that mental cruelty exists.
...
I'm kind of an asshole, aren't I?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm still amazed as to how some people still don't want to open their eyes and see what this is all about. :roll: Still only one blinkered, uninformed (though allegedly researched :? ), histrionic view of a bill, latching on to one word and making a whole drama around this one word to suit a spurious point of view. Oh.. and underhandedly insulting everyone on the way.
In my opinion
Just saying.
To quote norm:
Moving on...... Hopefully by the time this site goes down tomorrow and the new one comes up, this thread will be long forgotten. Though the bill should not and should continue to be opposed!
The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
...
ADD: The big difference between moderated sites and this crappy legislation is... the moderators here (and on other Open/Topical Web forums) are not required to post our names and home addresses if some over sensitive, pansie fuck reports us on unfounded allegations of cyber-abuse basedupon subjective messages.
perhaps that is because we are a private club with paid membership... :fp:
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.
I'm not a victim of cyber bulling or emotional abuse.
It is not fair for a victim to have to walk away when they are not offending
or breaking any rules or guidelines.
Even here, that is not the case. The offenders who break the rules get a timeout, that is basic.
In school, at work, in real life, there are consequences to breaking rules.
Why should cyber bullying be different?
But what about my question?
Do you dismiss emotional abuse for the children as well?
This legislation has nothing to with emotional abuse for children.
And I will say it again. You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY. Legislation is not necessary.
Since you claim to be so pro-love, then go out and spread the love rather than support more unnecessary laws. What you are doing is in direct contrast to what you preach.
As I saw on a church billboard: "God prefers kind atheists to hateful Christians."
That is not true this proposal is to protect all who are abused by cyber bullies including chidren!
My question came to you because you dismiss and put all the blame on victims...
a chin up attitude.
Do you say this to those who are physically abused by another?
Or do you think those bullies should be punished? Why would this be any different?
You dismiss emotional abuse when it is a very real problem. Why?
And no it is through laws that we protect our people and our society.
Do you feel there shoud be no laws against rape?
One would hope your answer would be of course not.
Emotional abuse has the same effects that rape does on people.
Again research the effects of cyber bullying before you say this proposal
is unnecessary.
Try standing in the shoes of someone who has been traumatized. This is love... it is feeling and understanding even though one has not experienced it
themselves. It is not a closed mind and heart to what others and are going through.
What I learned... because I oppose this legislation, I am a victim hating cyber-bully who is pro-rapist, for child abuse who does not believe that mental cruelty exists.
...
I'm kind of an asshole, aren't I?
Why do you oppose legislation that removes none of your rights, removes none of your
privacy that will aid people including children who are being victimized?
Have you read any research?
Have you read any personal accounts of people who have been abused?
Have you educated yourself on the laws already in place?
Do you follow the champaign STOP THE HATE?
Laws like this will be passed eventually because others are doing all this and there will
be those who oppose because they are uninformed and fearful. Some are feeling and
caring what is happening to others and some are not.
Does that make some assholes? For me no because they know not what they do... the assholes are the cyber bullies who know exactly what they do!
I would feel the very same way if instead from your view ending cyberbulling, I would feel if the word was PEACE. I would not want this proposal to become law.
Peace
And that's the difference between being about love / peace and being about hate. If one would rather expend their energy pushing for legislation to control cyber-bullying (which is really about govt control, but anyway) rather than focusing on real love and peace through positive means, then that energy is negative, angst filled energy. Pandora is expending negative, while g under p expends positive energy. Because anything involving issues regarding control is negative.
Right I'm the negative one because I want to spare others pain and suffering
You really need to start feeling this situation ... read the stories about the victims.
But maybe you are so fearful of laws and the government so much so you will allow
children (I say children because your opinion on adult victims is it is their fault)
to suffer horribly without punishment for the offenders.
This proposal does not even punish the offenders it allows administrators
to have guidelines and to remove posts that are offensive
IF the offender does not want to show themselves. This empowers the victims.
What I have inked in red in your post ...
You do not believe in any laws at all then?
One would hope your answer would be of course not
we need laws to make people aware,
to guide, to control and punish those who bring harm to others,
that is exactly what this proposal is doing.
I guess we certainly don't need anymore environmental laws either then
because that would be negative to control people to save the environnment :fp:
I'm still amazed as to how some people still don't want to open their eyes and see what this is all about. :roll: Still only one blinkered, uninformed (though allegedly researched :? ), histrionic view of a bill, latching on to one word and making a whole drama around this one word to suit a spurious point of view. Oh.. and underhandedly insulting everyone on the way.
In my opinion
Just saying.
To quote norm:
Moving on...... Hopefully by the time this site goes down tomorrow and the new one comes up, this thread will be long forgotten. Though the bill should not and should continue to be opposed!
Do you think it is necessary to feel what others are experiencing
to understand and know the problem at hand?
Have you read the victims stories?
Can you continue to dismiss the problem after doing so?
I find the above statements quite underhandedly insulting ... funny how that works.
This by innuendo though not at all like what real victims are traumatized from.
This is a walk in the park compared, I know this
because I try to feel the victims that I have researched.
I will continue to work towards laws that will bring peace to those that suffer.
Wherever and whenever ...
STOP THE HATE ... there is nothing more hateful and negative then cyber bullying.
ADD: The big difference between moderated sites and this crappy legislation is... the moderators here (and on other Open/Topical Web forums) are not required to post our names and home addresses if some over sensitive, pansie fuck reports us on unfounded allegations of cyber-abuse basedupon subjective messages.
No again :? removal of the post would go by guidelines the administrators create
that they would deem offensive.
Just like here!
Then the offender can choose to have the post deleted which was required by the adminstrators because it broke the guideline rules
OR post their info.
Here we have ... delete post and a timeout no choice in the matter.
Key is all sites will have guidelines to protect those who want to visit
and the guidelines that each site enacted will be followed ... novel idea!
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Let me start off where I left this place and fell asleep. I've said a hundred times already, too much control given if this proposal is implemented, subject to possible abuse by various websites and will NOT end cyberbullying in ANY Shape or FORM.
You are trying to sell this and I'm not buying this proposal.
No, but in your case maybe so I think you said once you were banned...knock on wood I have never been.
No, it appears I don't see too much cyberbulying around here So I feel this law is TOTALLY unnecessary. Roast it then put a fork in it then let it wilt away....veggies that is of course.
The cyber bullies can be dealt with without this law which I've posted some methods in which to do so earlier. In turn you have said you own them ....well then if you *own* those methods on how to deal with cb's then what's the need for this law/proposal?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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The moderators/site administrators here enforce the code of conduct as they deem appropriate. The same goes on other moderated topical forums. The system works... no bullys here.
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
...
ADD: The big difference between moderated sites and this crappy legislation is... the moderators here (and on other Open/Topical Web forums) are not required to post our names and home addresses if some over sensitive, pansie fuck reports us on unfounded allegations of cyber-abuse basedupon subjective messages.
perhaps that is because we are a private club with paid membership... :fp:
Shhh...ps... whispering....I've never paid for my membership but somehow I'm here or maybe every now and then they let one of us get in for free.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
As some of you may have already noticed, I'm sometimes a sucker for the English language.
I find the etymology of 'bully' quite ironic.
bully (n.)
1530s, originally "sweetheart," applied to either sex, from Du. boel "lover, brother," probably dim. of M.H.G. buole "brother," of uncertain origin (cf. Ger. buhle "lover"). Meaning deteriorated 17c. through "fine fellow," "blusterer," to "harasser of the weak" (1680s, from bully-ruffian, 1650s). Perhaps this was by influence of bull (n.1), but a connecting sense between "lover" and "ruffian" may be in "protector of a prostitute," which was one sense of bully (though not specifically attested until 1706). The verb is first attested 1710. The expression meaning "worthy, jolly, admirable" (esp. in 1864 U.S. slang bully for you!) is first attested 1680s, and preserves an earlier, positive sense of the word.
And why this talk of bullying? Bullying is a persistent behaviour (whether spoken or written word or physical actions) - not a one off thing. Someone posting a comment offending your sensitivity does not constitute bullying though, depending on content, could be libel/slander (or assault if physical). There are laws already against that. Also, there are no legal definitions of 'bullying' - this for a reason - it's all subjective. So, bearing that in mind, and since this bill is basically forcing someone to post private details if a person does not like what you have written ONCE, it will not do anything for bullying. And it is wrong to 'promote' the bill in this way. It's obvious what it is for. Curbing freedom of speech being one of the 'drawbacks'. And yes, it does affect free speech and right to privacy. I don't like what you say, I demand you 'remove' your remark OR publish all your personal details (For what? So I can send the 'heavies' around?). A choice? Hmmm... between your right to free speech and your right to privacy. Wow.... good going Government!
This post is not in response to anyone - I'm just making an observation which does not require any response/discussion. I'm not debating, just putting some thoughts together.
And no, I'm not a cold-hearted bitch though if you feel better about thinking of me that way, it's no skin off my nose.
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I'm still amazed as to how some people still don't want to open their eyes and see what this is all about. :roll: Still only one blinkered, uninformed (though allegedly researched :? ), histrionic view of a bill, latching on to one word and making a whole drama around this one word to suit a spurious point of view. Oh.. and underhandedly insulting everyone on the way.
In my opinion
Just saying.
To quote norm:
Moving on...... Hopefully by the time this site goes down tomorrow and the new one comes up, this thread will be long forgotten. Though the bill should not and should continue to be opposed!
Do you think it is necessary to feel what others are experiencing
to understand and know the problem at hand?
Have you read the victims stories?
Can you continue to dismiss the problem after doing so?
I find the above statements quite underhandedly insulting ... funny how that works.
This by innuendo though not at all like what real victims are traumatized from.
This is a walk in the park compared, I know this
because I try to feel the victims that I have researched.
I will continue to work towards laws that will bring peace to those that suffer.
Wherever and whenever ...
STOP THE HATE ... there is nothing more hateful and negative then cyber bullying.
While we do get that break from this forum maybe some of us can do some more research, study and find sources. Then come back with a new angle on all of this and we can start anewwith this crusade of internet cyberbullying.
THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
And that's the difference between being about love / peace and being about hate. If one would rather expend their energy pushing for legislation to control cyber-bullying (which is really about govt control, but anyway) rather than focusing on real love and peace through positive means, then that energy is negative, angst filled energy. Pandora is expending negative, while g under p expends positive energy. Because anything involving issues regarding control is negative.
..
What I learned... because I oppose this legislation, I am a victim hating cyber-bully who is pro-rapist, for child abuse who does not believe that mental cruelty exists.
...
I'm kind of an asshole, aren't I?
Let me start off where I left this place and fell asleep. I've said a hundred times already, too much control given if this proposal is implemented, subject to possible abuse by various websites and will NOT end cyberbullying in ANY Shape or FORM.
You are trying to sell this and I'm not buying this proposal.
No, but in your case maybe so I think you said once you were banned...knock on wood I have never been.
No, it appears I don't see too much cyberbulying around here So I feel this law is TOTALLY unnecessary. Roast it then put a fork in it then let it wilt away....veggies that is of course.
The cyber bullies can be dealt with without this law which I've posted some methods in which to do so earlier. In turn you have said you own them ....well then if you *own* those methods on how to deal with cb's then what's the need for this law/proposal?
Peace
Yes you have given suggestions but research shows it is not enough.
The problem is escalating.
Have you read about the effects and characteristics of cyber bullying?
Perhaps they were found with those suggestions.
Are you not allowing yourself to feel the real problem?
Are you are basing your opinion on this website alone?
Have you read the victims stories and felt their situations?
It has nothing to do with being banned only in that
I respect the fact that this site has its protective measures in place
and I fully support that. So much so I like this proposal requiring other sites
to have guidelines.
This site is an example of what the law wants for all so one
would think you might want that for all too
seeing as you are enjoying the climate here.
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As some of you may have already noticed, I'm sometimes a sucker for the English language.
I find the etymology of 'bully' quite ironic.
bully (n.)
1530s, originally "sweetheart," applied to either sex, from Du. boel "lover, brother," probably dim. of M.H.G. buole "brother," of uncertain origin (cf. Ger. buhle "lover"). Meaning deteriorated 17c. through "fine fellow," "blusterer," to "harasser of the weak" (1680s, from bully-ruffian, 1650s). Perhaps this was by influence of bull (n.1), but a connecting sense between "lover" and "ruffian" may be in "protector of a prostitute," which was one sense of bully (though not specifically attested until 1706). The verb is first attested 1710. The expression meaning "worthy, jolly, admirable" (esp. in 1864 U.S. slang bully for you!) is first attested 1680s, and preserves an earlier, positive sense of the word.
And why this talk of bullying? Bullying is a persistent behaviour (whether spoken or written word or physical actions) - not a one off thing. Someone posting a comment offending your sensitivity does not constitute bullying though, depending on content, could be libel/slander (or assault if physical). There are laws already against that. Also, there are no legal definitions of 'bullying' - this for a reason - it's all subjective. So, bearing that in mind, and since this bill is basically forcing someone to post private details if a person does not like what you have written ONCE, it will not do anything for bullying. And it is wrong to 'promote' the bill in this way. It's obvious what it is for. Curbing freedom of speech being one of the 'drawbacks'. And yes, it does affect free speech and right to privacy. I don't like what you say, I demand you 'remove' your remark OR publish all your personal details (For what? So I can send the 'heavies' around?). A choice? Hmmm... between your right to free speech and your right to privacy. Wow.... good going Government!
This post is not in response to anyone - I'm just making an observation which does not require any response/discussion. I'm not debating, just putting some thoughts together.
And no, I'm not a cold-hearted bitch though if you feel better about thinking of me that way, it's no skin off my nose.
SEE, that's what I'm talking about a DIFFERENT ANGLE and an angle that makes ALL the sense in the world. You are correct in that bullying is a constant and persistant behaviour, I know I was bullied for a year in Junior High and it never stopped till I made it stop.
The whole proposal formed so far has way too many subjective holes in it doesn't and won't hold any water to curb cyberbullying.
I wonder if I can get away with calling my lady my *bully*
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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so you are dismissing emotional abuse in children too?
How do you know we do NOT have cyberbullies you seem to be the *Love Bully*. Bullying is bullying whichever way one may want to cut it. A *Love Bully* could be offensive to someone else who let's say doesn't want to be loved by the *Love Bully*.
Since this Pearl Jam site's posting guidlines can keep the cyberbullies away why then the need for this proposal/law here or on any other site?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I'll say it again. No one can insult, degrade, bully, or piss you off without your permission.
If you have to think about it, fine. But think about this. No one causes the thoughts in one's head. We are the owners of our thoughts and we have the power to change them at any time. No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
No one else is to blame for how we allow ourselves to feel on an internet message board.
You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY.
Take responsibility for the thoughts in your head and ignore for God's sake. Heed your own advice Pandora.
Love bullying I just want to Stop The Hate and you want
Peace
It is not fair for a victim to have to walk away when they are not offending
or breaking any rules or guidelines.
Even here, that is not the case. The offenders who break the rules get a timeout, that is basic.
In school, at work, in real life, there are consequences to breaking rules.
Why should cyber bullying be different?
But what about my question?
Do you dismiss emotional abuse for the children as well?
Way too much control given to websites and even more difficulty controlling any cyberbulling behavior. Who knows whomaybe biased to have the need or urgency for this proposal to go forward.
I would feel the very same way if instead from your view ending cyberbulling, I would feel if the word was PEACE. I would not want this proposal to become law.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
why?
no problem with a privacy issue, no rights lost
do you think we are over controlled here?
Our guidelines the least bit unfair?
while following the deemed guidelines and rules of the site administrators
Do you feel you have no freedom of speech here norm? that the guidelines remove them?
this proposal wants the same type of respectful guidelines as we have
That is EXACTLY WHY this legislation in New York is ridiculous and not needed. That is the point that is being made... but, not, necessarily, being understood.
Hail, Hail!!!
This proposal was created for sites that have no guidelines, it encourages guidelines to be made
that are deemed appropriate for and by the administrator.
ADD: The big difference between moderated sites and this crappy legislation is... the moderators here (and on other Open/Topical Web forums) are not required to post our names and home addresses if some over sensitive, pansie fuck reports us on unfounded allegations of cyber-abuse basedupon subjective messages.
Hail, Hail!!!
This legislation has nothing to with emotional abuse for children.
And I will say it again. You don't like "bullies" on the internet? IGNORE THEM. WALK AWAY. Legislation is not necessary.
Since you claim to be so pro-love, then go out and spread the love rather than support more unnecessary laws. What you are doing is in direct contrast to what you preach.
As I saw on a church billboard: "God prefers kind atheists to hateful Christians."
And that's the difference between being about love / peace and being about hate. If one would rather expend their energy pushing for legislation to control cyber-bullying (which is really about govt control, but anyway) rather than focusing on real love and peace through positive means, then that energy is negative, angst filled energy. Pandora is expending negative, while g under p expends positive energy. Because anything involving issues regarding control is negative.
What I learned... because I oppose this legislation, I am a victim hating cyber-bully who is pro-rapist, for child abuse who does not believe that mental cruelty exists.
...
I'm kind of an asshole, aren't I?
Hail, Hail!!!
In my opinion
Just saying.
To quote norm:
Moving on...... Hopefully by the time this site goes down tomorrow and the new one comes up, this thread will be long forgotten. Though the bill should not and should continue to be opposed!
My question came to you because you dismiss and put all the blame on victims...
a chin up attitude.
Do you say this to those who are physically abused by another?
Or do you think those bullies should be punished? Why would this be any different?
You dismiss emotional abuse when it is a very real problem. Why?
And no it is through laws that we protect our people and our society.
Do you feel there shoud be no laws against rape?
One would hope your answer would be of course not.
Emotional abuse has the same effects that rape does on people.
Again research the effects of cyber bullying before you say this proposal
is unnecessary.
Try standing in the shoes of someone who has been traumatized.
This is love... it is feeling and understanding even though one has not experienced it
themselves. It is not a closed mind and heart to what others and are going through.
privacy that will aid people including children who are being victimized?
Have you read any research?
Have you read any personal accounts of people who have been abused?
Have you educated yourself on the laws already in place?
Do you follow the champaign STOP THE HATE?
Laws like this will be passed eventually because others are doing all this and there will
be those who oppose because they are uninformed and fearful. Some are feeling and
caring what is happening to others and some are not.
Does that make some assholes?
For me no because they know not what they do...
the assholes are the cyber bullies who know exactly what they do!
Right I'm the negative one because I want to spare others pain and suffering
You really need to start feeling this situation ...
read the stories about the victims.
But maybe you are so fearful of laws and the government so much so you will allow
children (I say children because your opinion on adult victims is it is their fault)
to suffer horribly without punishment for the offenders.
This proposal does not even punish the offenders it allows administrators
to have guidelines and to remove posts that are offensive
IF the offender does not want to show themselves. This empowers the victims.
What I have inked in red in your post ...
You do not believe in any laws at all then?
One would hope your answer would be of course not
we need laws to make people aware,
to guide, to control and punish those who bring harm to others,
that is exactly what this proposal is doing.
I guess we certainly don't need anymore environmental laws either then
because that would be negative to control people to save the environnment :fp:
to understand and know the problem at hand?
Have you read the victims stories?
Can you continue to dismiss the problem after doing so?
I find the above statements quite underhandedly insulting ... funny how that works.
This by innuendo though not at all like what real victims are traumatized from.
This is a walk in the park compared, I know this
because I try to feel the victims that I have researched.
I will continue to work towards laws that will bring peace to those that suffer.
Wherever and whenever ...
STOP THE HATE ... there is nothing more hateful and negative then cyber bullying.
that they would deem offensive.
Just like here!
Then the offender can choose to have the post deleted
which was required by the adminstrators because it broke the guideline rules
OR post their info.
Here we have ... delete post and a timeout no choice in the matter.
Key is all sites will have guidelines to protect those who want to visit
and the guidelines that each site enacted will be followed ... novel idea!
Let me start off where I left this place and fell asleep. I've said a hundred times already, too much control given if this proposal is implemented, subject to possible abuse by various websites and will NOT end cyberbullying in ANY Shape or FORM.
You are trying to sell this and I'm not buying this proposal.
No, but in your case maybe so I think you said once you were banned...knock on wood I have never been.
No, it appears I don't see too much cyberbulying around here So I feel this law is TOTALLY unnecessary. Roast it then put a fork in it then let it wilt away....veggies that is of course.
The cyber bullies can be dealt with without this law which I've posted some methods in which to do so earlier. In turn you have said you own them
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Shhh...ps... whispering....I've never paid for my membership but somehow I'm here or maybe every now and then they let one of us get in for free.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I find the etymology of 'bully' quite ironic.
bully (n.)
1530s, originally "sweetheart," applied to either sex, from Du. boel "lover, brother," probably dim. of M.H.G. buole "brother," of uncertain origin (cf. Ger. buhle "lover"). Meaning deteriorated 17c. through "fine fellow," "blusterer," to "harasser of the weak" (1680s, from bully-ruffian, 1650s). Perhaps this was by influence of bull (n.1), but a connecting sense between "lover" and "ruffian" may be in "protector of a prostitute," which was one sense of bully (though not specifically attested until 1706). The verb is first attested 1710. The expression meaning "worthy, jolly, admirable" (esp. in 1864 U.S. slang bully for you!) is first attested 1680s, and preserves an earlier, positive sense of the word.
And why this talk of bullying? Bullying is a persistent behaviour (whether spoken or written word or physical actions) - not a one off thing. Someone posting a comment offending your sensitivity does not constitute bullying though, depending on content, could be libel/slander (or assault if physical). There are laws already against that. Also, there are no legal definitions of 'bullying' - this for a reason - it's all subjective. So, bearing that in mind, and since this bill is basically forcing someone to post private details if a person does not like what you have written ONCE, it will not do anything for bullying. And it is wrong to 'promote' the bill in this way. It's obvious what it is for. Curbing freedom of speech being one of the 'drawbacks'. And yes, it does affect free speech and right to privacy. I don't like what you say, I demand you 'remove' your remark OR publish all your personal details (For what? So I can send the 'heavies' around?). A choice? Hmmm... between your right to free speech and your right to privacy. Wow.... good going Government!
This post is not in response to anyone - I'm just making an observation which does not require any response/discussion. I'm not debating, just putting some thoughts together.
And no, I'm not a cold-hearted bitch though if you feel better about thinking of me that way, it's no skin off my nose.
While we do get that break from this forum maybe some of us can do some more research, study and find sources. Then come back with a new angle on all of this and we can start anewwith this crusade of internet cyberbullying.
THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
We're all assholes here Cosmo. :roll:
The problem is escalating.
Have you read about the effects and characteristics of cyber bullying?
Perhaps they were found with those suggestions.
Are you not allowing yourself to feel the real problem?
Are you are basing your opinion on this website alone?
Have you read the victims stories and felt their situations?
It has nothing to do with being banned only in that
I respect the fact that this site has its protective measures in place
and I fully support that. So much so I like this proposal requiring other sites
to have guidelines.
This site is an example of what the law wants for all so one
would think you might want that for all too
seeing as you are enjoying the climate here.
SEE, that's what I'm talking about a DIFFERENT ANGLE and an angle that makes ALL the sense in the world. You are correct in that bullying is a constant and persistant behaviour, I know I was bullied for a year in Junior High and it never stopped till I made it stop.
The whole proposal formed so far has way too many subjective holes in it doesn't and won't hold any water to curb cyberbullying.
I wonder if I can get away with calling my lady my *bully*
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Pretty much say what the one believes and nope no cyber bullies here :fp:
STOP THE HATE