Greyhound Bus Cannibal rehabilitated after 4 years?

Jason P

lukin2006 wrote:

maybe you should stick American Idol and not enter a topic on Canadian Justice until you understand how our system works...we try to rehabilitate except those who have committed the most heinous acts and yet we have a pretty safe society...

I've seen Strange Brew. I know how you guys operate up there.

fife

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

In Canada our justice system does not operate the way the US does ( at least no yet )...and I prefer it that way. I think for the most part the system works well...we have a relatively safe country, no where I'm really afraid to go in this country...now just across the river in Detroit there are probably more places in all of that city that's more dangerous than all of Canada. So I find it kind of amusing when Americans question our justice system when it appears our system of rehabilitation for the most part works well. Do we have violent and dangerous criminals? Yes...most societies probably do. Is our system perfect? No. But I know I Canada is a safer country.

As for Pandora I thought the Bible and Christianity was all about forgiveness and second chances...especially in this case when it's obvious he was extremely mentally ill at the time. He did not know what he was doing, he was an immigrant to this country, which probably made it harder to access the help he needed...now that he's getting help I trust his Doctors will do the right thing for all involved...and he may never get out...and if he does he will likely be heavily supervised for life...as for now he is probably years away from re-entering society.

People need to understand we rarely keep people in jail for life...life is usually reserved for the most heinous criminals. Yet we have a relatively safe country and I never fear going anywhere.

Hundreth time ... not a Christian! Haven't read the Bible!

My faith tells me much but might be off topic so I won't elaborate.

I will say it does not tell me this man should be anywhere
but locked up for the safety of others, for the victim and his loved ones.

Ok i have heard you say this many times i.e. for the victim and his loved ones. do you really think the victim cares NO! does the family care YES but why do they? is it for safety or vengeance?

we believe that Jail is just not about punishment but also about correcting. Hence the name Correctional Services of Canada. no time in jail is going to bring this person back to live. the family is always going to be grieving no matter what.

For those that cannot accept a position without 'support' I enter the following into evidence for my assertion that, given the 'extreme' behaviours Li displayed, society would be best served restricting Li to a roof, a blanket, and a toilet:

http://www.albertapolicereport.com/2012 ... h-windows/

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/25/se ... psych-ward

These are just a couple of very recent examples (this month as a matter of fact) of 'walk offs' in our country suggesting that, at the very least, there is some level of risk attached to exercising a degree of care towards psychiatric patients.

The moderate to soft liners suggest to people that, despite the risks, these efforts towards the rehabilitation of Li are our collective responsibility. The people that have advocated for Li should have the stance that they are in favour of our best rehabilitative efforts in the hopes we can advance Li to the point where he can re-enter society (at some level). If they do not have this position, then they are not truly in line with their beliefs.

To the contrary, the hard liners (who seem to be in the minority on this thread and obviously include me) feel that even in the event that our psychiatric experts (they are not always right with their 'less-than-exact' science) felt we could release Li, unsupervised, into the community... we shouldn't. And, if it is not a realistic option for the future... then why are we going through the motions?

If a person is worth the efforts... I'm all for it. A schizophrenia who does something crazed, but not too crazed, has my support. A schizophrenia who carves up a dude on a bus and terrorizes all the other passengers waving body parts at them (after chewing on them for a while) while trying to get off it doesn't. Sorry. I mean... how does that get rehabilitated?[/quote]

to begin, not the same situation and Li would not be released UN-supervised. I can also give you stories of people escaping from Jails also so what does that mean? I can also give you stories of people being killed in jails.

AGAIN it should be mentioned that Li is not being released on his own but under supervision. I deal with rapist, pedophiles, ex-cons everyday in my work and I can tell you that most come out and try to live the right way.

chadwick

lukin2006 wrote:

In Canada our justice system does not operate the way the US does ( at least no yet )...and I prefer it that way. I think for the most part the system works well...we have a relatively safe country, no where I'm really afraid to go in this country...now just across the river in Detroit there are probably more places in all of that city that's more dangerous than all of Canada. So I find it kind of amusing when Americans question our justice system when it appears our system of rehabilitation for the most part works well. Do we have violent and dangerous criminals? Yes...most societies probably do. Is our system perfect? No. But I know I Canada is a safer country.

As for Pandora I thought the Bible and Christianity was all about forgiveness and second chances...especially in this case when it's obvious he was extremely mentally ill at the time. He did not know what he was doing, he was an immigrant to this country, which probably made it harder to access the help he needed...now that he's getting help I trust his Doctors will do the right thing for all involved...and he may never get out...and if he does he will likely be heavily supervised for life...as for now he is probably years away from re-entering society.

People need to understand we rarely keep people in jail for life...life is usually reserved for the most heinous criminals. Yet we have a relatively safe country and I never fear going anywhere.

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

maybe you should stick American Idol and not enter a topic on Canadian Justice until you understand how our system works...we try to rehabilitate except those who have committed the most heinous acts and yet we have a pretty safe society...

I've seen Strange Brew. I know how you guys operate up there.

fife

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

In Canada our justice system does not operate the way the US does ( at least no yet )...and I prefer it that way. I think for the most part the system works well...we have a relatively safe country, no where I'm really afraid to go in this country...now just across the river in Detroit there are probably more places in all of that city that's more dangerous than all of Canada. So I find it kind of amusing when Americans question our justice system when it appears our system of rehabilitation for the most part works well. Do we have violent and dangerous criminals? Yes...most societies probably do. Is our system perfect? No. But I know I Canada is a safer country.

As for Pandora I thought the Bible and Christianity was all about forgiveness and second chances...especially in this case when it's obvious he was extremely mentally ill at the time. He did not know what he was doing, he was an immigrant to this country, which probably made it harder to access the help he needed...now that he's getting help I trust his Doctors will do the right thing for all involved...and he may never get out...and if he does he will likely be heavily supervised for life...as for now he is probably years away from re-entering society.

People need to understand we rarely keep people in jail for life...life is usually reserved for the most heinous criminals. Yet we have a relatively safe country and I never fear going anywhere.

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

he got life with no parole

polaris_x

chadwick wrote:

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

pickton got life with no chance of parole for 25 years ... his first degree murder charges didn't stick so he only got 2nd degree ... and that is the max sentence ... not sure on the details ...

paul bernardo ... another famous killer got life with no chance for parole ...

fife

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

pickton got life with no chance of parole for 25 years ... his first degree murder charges didn't stick so he only got 2nd degree ... and that is the max sentence ... not sure on the details ...

paul bernardo ... another famous killer got life with no chance for parole ...

here is some of the details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

chadwick

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

pickton got life with no chance of parole for 25 years ... his first degree murder charges didn't stick so he only got 2nd degree ... and that is the max sentence ... not sure on the details ...

paul bernardo ... another famous killer got life with no chance for parole ...

why 2nd degree murder and not 1st? is it even known exactly how many women (possibly men too) pickton tortured & murdered. pigs eat every single thing. bones. chomped up. perhaps a few teeth & jaw bones remained in the filthy hog confinement.

what is the difference between pickton and vince li?

is pickton a mentally insane indivudual who suffers from schizophrenia and or is he just completely evil unlike vince li who has been labeled mentally ill and even dangerous

chadwick

fife wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

pickton got life with no chance of parole for 25 years ... his first degree murder charges didn't stick so he only got 2nd degree ... and that is the max sentence ... not sure on the details ...

paul bernardo ... another famous killer got life with no chance for parole ...

here is some of the details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

can we try another site besides wiki? personally i avoid wiki like the plague. however, i like you and i will trust this info just this once.

chadwick

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

pickton got life with no chance of parole for 25 years ... his first degree murder charges didn't stick so he only got 2nd degree ... and that is the max sentence ... not sure on the details ...

paul bernardo ... another famous killer got life with no chance for parole ...

btw, never heard of this paul bernardo character. is he a dandy of a gentleman as well?

fife

chadwick wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

pickton got life with no chance of parole for 25 years ... his first degree murder charges didn't stick so he only got 2nd degree ... and that is the max sentence ... not sure on the details ...

paul bernardo ... another famous killer got life with no chance for parole ...

btw, never heard of this paul bernardo character. is he a dandy of a gentleman as well?

t5hat was a very famous case in Canada. him and his wife druged, raped 2 girls and then killed them. they also believe that there are more victims such as the wife sister.

here is some info on the case.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... eline.html

polaris_x

chadwick wrote:

btw, never heard of this paul bernardo character. is he a dandy of a gentleman as well?

yeah ... dude had to be put in isolation because he was getting beat up in general ...

chadwick

fife wrote:

chadwick wrote:

btw, never heard of this paul bernardo character. is he a dandy of a gentleman as well?

t5hat was a very famous case in Canada. him and his wife druged, raped 2 girls and then killed them. they also believe that there are more victims such as the wife sister.

here is some info on the case.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... eline.html

thank you. i'll check that out sometime soon

fife

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

btw, never heard of this paul bernardo character. is he a dandy of a gentleman as well?

yeah ... dude had to be put in isolation because he was getting beat up in general ...

maybe you will know this. since Kingston pen is being closed have there been any reports on where he is going to be moving to?

polaris_x

chadwick wrote:

why 2nd degree murder and not 1st? is it even known exactly how many women (possibly men too) pickton tortured & murdered. pigs eat every single thing. bones. chomped up. perhaps a few teeth & jaw bones remained in the filthy hog confinement.

what is the difference between pickton and vince li?

is pickton a mentally insane indivudual who suffers from schizophrenia and or is he just completely evil unlike vince li who has been labeled mentally ill and even dangerous

i'm not entirely familiar with the robert pickton case partly due to the publication ban associated with the case ... there are many differences between li and pickton ... li was not a serial killer and pickton was not diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic ...

chadwick

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

btw, never heard of this paul bernardo character. is he a dandy of a gentleman as well?

yeah ... dude had to be put in isolation because he was getting beat up in general ...

good for those canadian prisoners who assaulted paul bernardo. they should be wearing medals and have extra moneys put on their books every single month.

polaris_x

fife wrote:

maybe you will know this. since Kingston pen is being closed have there been any reports on where he is going to be moving to?

no idea ... to one of the superprisons harper is building in a conservative riding i would guess ...

fife

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fife wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

what did that hog farmer out in B.C. get for torturing & slowly killing several prostitutes and feeding them to the hogs? just curious as i haven't heard what finally was his handed down prison sentence

pickton got life with no chance of parole for 25 years ... his first degree murder charges didn't stick so he only got 2nd degree ... and that is the max sentence ... not sure on the details ...

paul bernardo ... another famous killer got life with no chance for parole ...

here is some of the details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

can we try another site besides wiki? personally i avoid wiki like the plague. however, i like you and i will trust this info just this once. [/quote]

sorry, was the first one that pop up on google and was not paying attention. I will try to do better next time.

fife

chadwick wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

chadwick wrote:

btw, never heard of this paul bernardo character. is he a dandy of a gentleman as well?

yeah ... dude had to be put in isolation because he was getting beat up in general ...

good for those canadian prisoners who assaulted paul bernardo. they should be wearing medals and have extra moneys put on their books every single month.

Kingston Pen where he is located is the most famous prison in Canada and holds some of the most famous (if that is the right word) criminals.

chadwick

fife wrote:

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fife wrote:

sorry, was the first one that pop up on google and was not paying attention. I will try to do better next time.

fife, you are fine. no need to try better next time. you did a fine job and you are a good one. i was mostly just messin with ya. when i attended college my english professor ran down wiki verbally and in writing almost on a daily basis. this view of his was ingrained into my psyche.