I've also never really wrapped my head around the idea of "protecting my property". what the hell do I care to stick it out just to make sure someone doesn't damage my carpet? you're willing to die or even be injured or put your family at risk for STUFF?
maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.
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go back and read redrocks conversation with a cop.
ha lets not go off topic and talk about cops i've seen my share of inept damn some shoot dogs
as soon as look at them
um, if you read it you'd know it wasn't off topic at all, it was in direct relation to what you and some others are saying about carrying a gun and how it protects you.
so is this part of your issue, that you don't trust the police, so you think you need to do their job?
no man all the respect in the world for a good cop i have no issue i got a gun you got hands that will kill
sounds about equal man
don't mess with him his hands are registered man no anyone gets a license thats a must training is different
now i know you don't get it and ya think gun enthusiasts are irresponsible don't you or not?
I'll answer my views on this even though it was directed at redrock. I don't believe all gun owners/enthusiasts are irresponsible, I just think it's inately egotistical to think that we can control a weapon such as a loaded gun and not have accidents.
responsible gun owner or not, just like a responsible driver, accidents can and DO happen. it's a fact.
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I've also never really wrapped my head around the idea of "protecting my property". what the hell do I care to stick it out just to make sure someone doesn't damage my carpet? you're willing to die or even be injured or put your family at risk for STUFF?
maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.
damage your carpet huh yeah i am my family is at risk if i don't stop the assholes
just like the story of a home invasion here i think you said in that case yeah good thing there was a gun
wtf
don't mess with him his hands are registered man no anyone gets a license thats a must training is different
now i know you don't get it and ya think gun enthusiasts are irresponsible don't you or not?
I'll answer my views on this even though it was directed at redrock. I don't believe all gun owners/enthusiasts are irresponsible, I just think it's inately egotistical to think that we can control a weapon such as a loaded gun and not have accidents.
responsible gun owner or not, just like a responsible driver, accidents can and DO happen. it's a fact.
yeah you gonna ban cars too its no accident when some asshole shoots an innocent citizen dead
maybe that is ok with you not me if i'm around i will try to keep that from happening will you just watch
and call 911 instead of trying to stop crime your hands better be very quick against the guy with the gun
I've also never really wrapped my head around the idea of "protecting my property". what the hell do I care to stick it out just to make sure someone doesn't damage my carpet? you're willing to die or even be injured or put your family at risk for STUFF?
maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.
damage your carpet huh yeah i am my family is at risk if i don't stop the assholes
just like the story of a home invasion here i think you said in that case yeah good thing there was a gun
wtf
I said property, not family. very different. of course I'll protect my family, but if we can get away and leave the house then I won't hesitate. stuff is just stuff.
I didn't say "good thing there was a gun". I said in this instance it seems like it helped the situation (only given the information provided), but the rest of my post also said there are just as many if not more instances where the gun hinders the situation, so to me it still doesn't make sense to own one.
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yeah you gonna ban cars too its no accident when some asshole shoots an innocent citizen dead
maybe that is ok with you not me if i'm around i will try to keep that from happening will you just watch
and call 911 instead of trying to stop crime your hands better be very quick against the guy with the gun
why is it that you have to go to the extreme that because I don't want to own a gun that I'm all of a sudden ok with innocent people dying? that's an incredible, not to mention offensive, stretch.
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I've also never really wrapped my head around the idea of "protecting my property". what the hell do I care to stick it out just to make sure someone doesn't damage my carpet? you're willing to die or even be injured or put your family at risk for STUFF?
maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.
damage your carpet huh yeah i am my family is at risk if i don't stop the assholes
just like the story of a home invasion here i think you said in that case yeah good thing there was a gun
wtf
I said property, not family. very different. of course I'll protect my family, but if we can get away and leave the house then I won't hesitate. stuff is just stuff.
I didn't say "good thing there was a gun". I said in this instance it seems like it helped the situation (only given the information provided), but the rest of my post also said there are just as many if not more instances where the gun hinders the situation, so to me it still doesn't make sense to own one.
thats your call and maybe someone with a gun might save your family one day
it happens
yeah you gonna ban cars too its no accident when some asshole shoots an innocent citizen dead
maybe that is ok with you not me if i'm around i will try to keep that from happening will you just watch
and call 911 instead of trying to stop crime your hands better be very quick against the guy with the gun
why is it that you have to go to the extreme that because I don't want to own a gun that I'm all of a sudden ok with innocent people dying? that's an incredible, not to mention offensive, stretch.
no offense meant i am that opposed to the death of innocents that i will defend them
even if it meansi will die i learned from 911 about loyalty and banding together
to fight anyone who wants to hurtamerican or otherwise just proactive and not waiting around for a police car like i said early on maybe
all those hurt in the congress women shooting could have been saved well we know they could have
Gimmie, your posts are my favorite out of everyones, what you said about guns only being made to kill is almost as asinine as when you said you would be killed by a gun owner for protesting outside the nra convention in your town. Again, there are thousands of people that don't hunt or kill people, that just like to shoot, like the shooting in the olympics has nothing to do with killing people or animals, but you don't want to hear that because it doesn't fit with your argument and hatred of guns and people who own them. But thanks for your posts, your extreme bias is very, very entertaining for me.
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The right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT be infringed.
I just don't see how that is thought to be left open for definition. It's pretty clear to me.
Good for you you are a man ...
do you feel women should not carry a gun in their purses for defense?
It's their choice, as it was mine.
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It technically is though in another way. The states could vote in another amendment. What are the odds of passage in your opinion?
zero. which is more likely than any american politician in his right mind even bringing it up. it's part of the culture. americans treat their constitution like the 10 commandments. not things that you are allowed to do, but are almost obligated to!
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each time they submit they allow that criminal to victimize hundreds of others
Dude your overdramatizations are hilarious!
really Jonny? that is kind of rude you normally aren't so rude.... :?
Do you think criminals only strike once? or do you think
they continue until they are stopped one way or another?
I do know that the likelihood that the scenario that triton keeps bringing up, ie rape, killing of kids and fear tactics of that sort, do NOT usually happen hundreds of times before someone is caught. And to insinuate that if youre anit-gun, that you cannot protect your 'women' like triton keeps suggesting is simply immature and offensive.
what happens when you discover that person you shot was carrying an unloaded gun? that they only ever intended to intimidate you and that in a very sad and ironic way it worked cause you shot that fucker dead, didnt you? i pity the society that measures its strength by the barrel of a firearm. its a false strength and leads to nothing but paranoia and weakness.
Paranoia- my thought exactly, Catefrancies. Paranoia seems to be the motivation for those so fixated on carrying fire arms. I'm sixty years old, worked in schools or with the public most of my adult years, lived in about 35 places in cities, suburbs and small towns, in four states and have know a lot of people and the only people I've known who have died violently have been a few killed by cars, one from falling off a cliff, and one from a knife wound outside a bar- a fatal wound that came quickly with no warning. If some of you are living in places so dangerous (remembering that most murders are due to domestic fights) that you believe you need to carry a gun around with you maybe you would do well to consider moving. Of course, some of you might be living in Baghdad or some place like that but I'm guessing not. Why all the intense aggression? Why all the fear? What kind of a way to live is that?
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americans treat their constitution like the 10 commandments. not things that you are allowed to do, but are almost obligated to!
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Allowed to do?
like the right to bear arms. some people seem to view it not as "allowed" to carry weapons, but it's almost un-American not to carry a gun.
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting your reply but since when has a right become an allowance? A privilege can be taken away, an unalienable right cannot.
I'm not allowed to own a firearm any more than the next guy is allowed to attend the church of his choice. We are not being allowed, we do not need the permission of some King, or Czar. These are our rights, not allowances.
Ok, I think you've watched too many Steven Seagal movies. :roll: Actually I change my response to your question about the worst possible scenario i could think of. My new answer is you. You are the scariest scenario I can think of. Your paranoia is really showing through...again. You automatically jumped to the conclusions that our assailants skipped off into the fucking sunset and beat up an old couple? You are a piece of work dude. Quite an imagination. You shouldve just asked what happened instead of making yourself look foolish.
The three men that robbed me and my three friends that day ran off into an alley. Within minutes, police were on every corner and a helicopter was overhead. They were caught and I saw their conviction go through. two of them got 12 years, the third got a reduced sentence. So, no, they didnt go off and beat up an old couple, geesh. I let the authorities...you know..the professionals, handle the situation, and everyone came out fine.
In addition, as i stated, a gun wouldve made this situation FAR worse. We were surrounded and didn't know who had weapons. I thought about going after the main assailant as the gun was pointed at my temple, but I kept cool. Has i attacked him, there was a good chance one of the other two criminals would've shot my friends.
How many get away though Jonny?
The police are not stopping crime, they can not.
How many people had these 3 victimized already? if not caught, which is much more likely
scenario, how many more would be terrorized?
What about the next time Jonny? When is it ok for you to protect yourself?
Perhaps you should carry mace.
I think you need to go back and read about what happened in this scenario. Ifanyone made a move for any type of weapon against our aggressors, my friends risked being shot. There was zero chance at fighting back, and in the long run... justice was served. Those boys took 23 dollars from me and my two friends. not anything worth dying for. Auothrities will tell you that when being robbed its best to turn over your posessions/comply. We got our money back and they got jailtime. How could this have ended better, with us pulling out a concealed weapon and having a ridiculous shootout? :?
And the police in most places i've lived stop plenty of crime. i know near you atlana might be different, but that doesnt mean police are useless in other places.
I dont need mace. the times i've had guns pointed at me, i had friends with me, and any act of aggression that risked getting them shot wouldve been too much for me to deal with. Each time, there was zero opportunity to fight back without jeopardizing my friends.
I'm not sure why you guys think that every situation is exactly the same, and both sides are doing it. The anti gun people are saying hey if you're getting robbed just give it up and you'll be ok, and the pro gun people are saying if you get accosted by a criminal get ready to die and fight for your life. I just don't get it. And I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but when I'm out walking my dog or driving around town, I'm not there checking everyone out to see if I'm about to get attacked, I'm just living and enjoying my life. So please do me the courtesy of not choosing fear and paranoia as the emotions I'm feeling. It's ridiculous.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Gimmie, your posts are my favorite out of everyones, what you said about guns only being made to kill is almost as asinine as when you said you would be killed by a gun owner for protesting outside the nra convention in your town. Again, there are thousands of people that don't hunt or kill people, that just like to shoot, like the shooting in the olympics has nothing to do with killing people or animals, but you don't want to hear that because it doesn't fit with your argument and hatred of guns and people who own them. But thanks for your posts, your extreme bias is very, very entertaining for me.
so you are saying that the blunderbuss was invented for target practice and competition?
interesting.
the gun was not invented for target practice and shooting competitons. it was invented to hunt animals and to kill people. plain and simple. everybody knows that.
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I'm not sure why you guys think that every situation is exactly the same, and both sides are doing it. The anti gun people are saying hey if you're getting robbed just give it up and you'll be ok, and the pro gun people are saying if you get accosted by a criminal get ready to die and fight for your life. I just don't get it. And I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but when I'm out walking my dog or driving around town, I'm not there checking everyone out to see if I'm about to get attacked, I'm just living and enjoying my life. So please do me the courtesy of not choosing fear and paranoia as the emotions I'm feeling. It's ridiculous.
I mentioned fear and paranoia but I thought I had expressed that in general terms. I don't know exactly what anyone here is feeling. But in general my experience of people who are strongly pro-gun is that they are fearful and overly vigilant for lurking danger. Generally those people who are fearful are more of a danger to themselves and others when they're packing a gun.
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever outlaw guns but I at least would like to see them made very, very difficult to attain and only under very highly specified and scrutinized situations should anyone be allowed to carry them in public and those people should be very highly trained and retrained.
And honestly, I think that is a major concession. If we focused more on peace we wouldn't be having this discussion as often.
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting your reply but since when has a right become an allowance? A privilege can be taken away, an unalienable right cannot.
I'm not allowed to own a firearm any more than the next guy is allowed to attend the church of his choice. We are not being allowed, we do not need the permission of some King, or Czar. These are our rights, not allowances.
semantics.
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why is it the first amendment is being trampled? the protestors are going to have to be moved to a "free speech zone" way away from the convention. but they can have a shit ton of real guns inside the convention.
i will not give up my right to speech and my right to protest the fact that somehow toys are a threat when the only reason guns exist are to hunt and kill people and animals...
Tampa officials are expecting thousands of protesters to descend on the Florida metropolis for the GOP convention. While no handguns will be allowed inside the convention, which is being protected by the Secret Service, concealed carry license-holders will be able to carry their weapons in the streets surrounding the convention.
nope, that isn't true.
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting your reply but since when has a right become an allowance? A privilege can be taken away, an unalienable right cannot.
I'm not allowed to own a firearm any more than the next guy is allowed to attend the church of his choice. We are not being allowed, we do not need the permission of some King, or Czar. These are our rights, not allowances.
and here imo lies the problem... you all see the right to bear arms as simply that... a right. but i see the responsibility of gun ownership as a privilege. and one that should be taken so very seriously. now im not saying those of you here, who are armed dont... but im also saying it should be difficult as hell to acquire a weapon... if that is your choice. you may not need the permission of some 'czar' but youve been given it nontheless... cause when you think about it that is what a right is... the allowance of doing something... just like due to the first ammendment you are 'allowed' to say whatever the fuck you want regardless of whether it is hurtful or bigotted or whatever.. but there are consequences when one is given such responsibilities. telling those who dont wish to take advantage of this wonderous 'right'.. that they are pussies and enablers of crime.. and that they have no empathy for the victims of crime is utterly without imagination, not to mention ludricrous.
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting your reply but since when has a right become an allowance? A privilege can be taken away, an unalienable right cannot.
I'm not allowed to own a firearm any more than the next guy is allowed to attend the church of his choice. We are not being allowed, we do not need the permission of some King, or Czar. These are our rights, not allowances.
and here imo lies the problem... you all see the right to bear arms as simply that... a right. but i see the responsibility of gun ownership as a privilege. and one that should be taken so very seriously. now im not saying those of you here, who are armed dont... but im also saying it should be difficult as hell to acquire a weapon... if that is your choice. you may not need the permission of some 'czar' but youve been given it nontheless... cause when you think about it that is what a right is... the allowance of doing something... just like due to the first ammendment you are 'allowed' to say whatever the fuck you want regardless of whether it is hurtful or bigotted or whatever.. but there are consequences when one is given such responsibilities. telling those who dont wish to take advantage of this wonderous 'right'.. that they are pussies and enablers of crime.. and that they have no empathy for the victims of crime is utterly without imagination, not to mention ludricrous.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting your reply but since when has a right become an allowance? A privilege can be taken away, an unalienable right cannot.
I'm not allowed to own a firearm any more than the next guy is allowed to attend the church of his choice. We are not being allowed, we do not need the permission of some King, or Czar. These are our rights, not allowances.
and here imo lies the problem... you all see the right to bear arms as simply that... a right. but i see the responsibility of gun ownership as a privilege. and one that should be taken so very seriously. now im not saying those of you here, who are armed dont... but im also saying it should be difficult as hell to acquire a weapon... if that is your choice. you may not need the permission of some 'czar' but youve been given it nontheless... cause when you think about it that is what a right is... the allowance of doing something... just like due to the first ammendment you are 'allowed' to say whatever the fuck you want regardless of whether it is hurtful or bigotted or whatever.. but there are consequences when one is given such responsibilities. telling those who dont wish to take advantage of this wonderous 'right'.. that they are pussies and enablers of crime.. and that they have no empathy for the victims of crime is utterly without imagination, not to mention ludricrous.
I love this post cate.
I agree 100%...we have the right bear all the arms we want but it is a privilege to keep them through having rigorous licensing...the consequences without such licensing training are far too great.
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting your reply but since when has a right become an allowance? A privilege can be taken away, an unalienable right cannot.
I'm not allowed to own a firearm any more than the next guy is allowed to attend the church of his choice. We are not being allowed, we do not need the permission of some King, or Czar. These are our rights, not allowances.
and here imo lies the problem... you all see the right to bear arms as simply that... a right. but i see the responsibility of gun ownership as a privilege. and one that should be taken so very seriously. now im not saying those of you here, who are armed dont... but im also saying it should be difficult as hell to acquire a weapon... if that is your choice. you may not need the permission of some 'czar' but youve been given it nontheless... cause when you think about it that is what a right is... the allowance of doing something... just like due to the first ammendment you are 'allowed' to say whatever the fuck you want regardless of whether it is hurtful or bigotted or whatever.. but there are consequences when one is given such responsibilities. telling those who dont wish to take advantage of this wonderous 'right'.. that they are pussies and enablers of crime.. and that they have no empathy for the victims of crime is utterly without imagination, not to mention ludricrous.
I love this post cate.
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maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.
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sounds about equal man
I'll answer my views on this even though it was directed at redrock. I don't believe all gun owners/enthusiasts are irresponsible, I just think it's inately egotistical to think that we can control a weapon such as a loaded gun and not have accidents.
responsible gun owner or not, just like a responsible driver, accidents can and DO happen. it's a fact.
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just like the story of a home invasion here i think you said in that case yeah good thing there was a gun
wtf
maybe that is ok with you not me if i'm around i will try to keep that from happening will you just watch
and call 911 instead of trying to stop crime your hands better be very quick against the guy with the gun
I said property, not family. very different. of course I'll protect my family, but if we can get away and leave the house then I won't hesitate. stuff is just stuff.
I didn't say "good thing there was a gun". I said in this instance it seems like it helped the situation (only given the information provided), but the rest of my post also said there are just as many if not more instances where the gun hinders the situation, so to me it still doesn't make sense to own one.
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why is it that you have to go to the extreme that because I don't want to own a gun that I'm all of a sudden ok with innocent people dying? that's an incredible, not to mention offensive, stretch.
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it happens
even if it meansi will die i learned from 911 about loyalty and banding together
to fight anyone who wants to hurtamerican or otherwise just proactive and not waiting around for a police car like i said early on maybe
all those hurt in the congress women shooting could have been saved well we know they could have
I just don't see how that is thought to be left open for definition. It's pretty clear to me.
everything should be open for discussion.
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Not by the Senate or House.
It technically is though in another way. The states could vote in another amendment. What are the odds of passage in your opinion?
zero. which is more likely than any american politician in his right mind even bringing it up. it's part of the culture. americans treat their constitution like the 10 commandments. not things that you are allowed to do, but are almost obligated to!
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I do know that the likelihood that the scenario that triton keeps bringing up, ie rape, killing of kids and fear tactics of that sort, do NOT usually happen hundreds of times before someone is caught. And to insinuate that if youre anit-gun, that you cannot protect your 'women' like triton keeps suggesting is simply immature and offensive.
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Allowed to do?
Paranoia- my thought exactly, Catefrancies. Paranoia seems to be the motivation for those so fixated on carrying fire arms. I'm sixty years old, worked in schools or with the public most of my adult years, lived in about 35 places in cities, suburbs and small towns, in four states and have know a lot of people and the only people I've known who have died violently have been a few killed by cars, one from falling off a cliff, and one from a knife wound outside a bar- a fatal wound that came quickly with no warning. If some of you are living in places so dangerous (remembering that most murders are due to domestic fights) that you believe you need to carry a gun around with you maybe you would do well to consider moving. Of course, some of you might be living in Baghdad or some place like that but I'm guessing not. Why all the intense aggression? Why all the fear? What kind of a way to live is that?
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like the right to bear arms. some people seem to view it not as "allowed" to carry weapons, but it's almost un-American not to carry a gun.
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I'm not allowed to own a firearm any more than the next guy is allowed to attend the church of his choice. We are not being allowed, we do not need the permission of some King, or Czar. These are our rights, not allowances.
I think you need to go back and read about what happened in this scenario. Ifanyone made a move for any type of weapon against our aggressors, my friends risked being shot. There was zero chance at fighting back, and in the long run... justice was served. Those boys took 23 dollars from me and my two friends. not anything worth dying for. Auothrities will tell you that when being robbed its best to turn over your posessions/comply. We got our money back and they got jailtime. How could this have ended better, with us pulling out a concealed weapon and having a ridiculous shootout? :?
And the police in most places i've lived stop plenty of crime. i know near you atlana might be different, but that doesnt mean police are useless in other places.
I dont need mace. the times i've had guns pointed at me, i had friends with me, and any act of aggression that risked getting them shot wouldve been too much for me to deal with. Each time, there was zero opportunity to fight back without jeopardizing my friends.
interesting.
the gun was not invented for target practice and shooting competitons. it was invented to hunt animals and to kill people. plain and simple. everybody knows that.
thanks for the compliment....
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I mentioned fear and paranoia but I thought I had expressed that in general terms. I don't know exactly what anyone here is feeling. But in general my experience of people who are strongly pro-gun is that they are fearful and overly vigilant for lurking danger. Generally those people who are fearful are more of a danger to themselves and others when they're packing a gun.
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever outlaw guns but I at least would like to see them made very, very difficult to attain and only under very highly specified and scrutinized situations should anyone be allowed to carry them in public and those people should be very highly trained and retrained.
And honestly, I think that is a major concession. If we focused more on peace we wouldn't be having this discussion as often.
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semantics.
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Tampa officials are expecting thousands of protesters to descend on the Florida metropolis for the GOP convention. While no handguns will be allowed inside the convention, which is being protected by the Secret Service, concealed carry license-holders will be able to carry their weapons in the streets surrounding the convention.
nope, that isn't true.
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and here imo lies the problem... you all see the right to bear arms as simply that... a right. but i see the responsibility of gun ownership as a privilege. and one that should be taken so very seriously. now im not saying those of you here, who are armed dont... but im also saying it should be difficult as hell to acquire a weapon... if that is your choice. you may not need the permission of some 'czar' but youve been given it nontheless... cause when you think about it that is what a right is... the allowance of doing something... just like due to the first ammendment you are 'allowed' to say whatever the fuck you want regardless of whether it is hurtful or bigotted or whatever.. but there are consequences when one is given such responsibilities. telling those who dont wish to take advantage of this wonderous 'right'.. that they are pussies and enablers of crime.. and that they have no empathy for the victims of crime is utterly without imagination, not to mention ludricrous.
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I love this post cate.
I agree 100%...we have the right bear all the arms we want but it is a privilege to keep them through having rigorous licensing...the consequences without such licensing training are far too great.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
thank you.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say