Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

catefrances

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

catefrances wrote:

but you cant be surprised it turned that way, right?

actually, cate, I was surprised at that.

seeing where it came from, it didnt surprise me in the least.

USARAY

redrock wrote:

Tritone wrote:

not fighting back and being a victim.....
......being submissive....

While you're fumbling for a gun that you will, most probably, not even get to, your brains will be blown out by the person mugging/attacking you.

Not brandishing (or trying to) a gun DOES NOT make you a victim or submissive or the 'cause' of future crime - that is quite offensive what you are saying. As gimme said...

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

....choosing to remain unarmed and fight with the weapons god gave me, my fists, elbows, knees, and my mind...

Your body and your mind are your first 'weapons' and often your best.

you must know nothing about carrying or training no brainer a responsible gun owner knows when to use the gun duh i guess me and some others got to the antigun club with our opinion on their part in the crime cycle
i guess it makes ya think don't it

catefrances

Tritone wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Tritone wrote:

not fighting back and being a victim the asshole is free to victimize
the next guy this is a fact a consequence of the outcome of being submissive the criminal is not stopped this is not brain surgery and yeah it is an opinion thats what everyone is doing telling their opinion :roll: men should step up girls are carrying guns to protect themselves does the anti gun club think they shouldn't or is that ok?cause that would be even more pathetic if a guy said yeah they should but i won't
we got a name for that

what name is that? what am i for not wanting to carry a gun? what am i?

fighting back does not equal shooting someone...

when does the second amendment trump the first one? you can't shoot someone for not liking what they say...that is why the second amendment is not the first one...

fighting back does equal shooting someone not for you you're going to knee them lmao again
did anyone say that shoot someone over words wtf are you talking about you can shoot someone
to protect yourself your property and another human life and should so they do not go hurt someone else

what happens when you discover that person you shot was carrying an unloaded gun? that they only ever intended to intimidate you and that in a very sad and ironic way it worked cause you shot that fucker dead, didnt you? i pity the society that measures its strength by the barrel of a firearm. its a false strength and leads to nothing but paranoia and weakness.

pandora

Just me, but an unloaded gun :wtf: that would be really a dumb thing to do :?
surprise surprise I guess that criminal never thought someone would fight back
but we can and we do.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

you must know nothing about carrying or training no brainer a responsible gun owner knows when to use the gun duh i guess me and some others got to the antigun club with our opinion on their part in the crime cycle
i guess it makes ya think don't it

go back and read redrocks conversation with a cop.

redrock

Tritone wrote:

you must know nothing about carrying or training no brainer a responsible gun owner knows when to use the gun duh i guess me and some others got to the antigun club with our opinion on their part in the crime cycle
i guess it makes ya think don't it

Check out my post regarding the opinion (rather more than an opinion - based on facts and every day workload) of a 'man of the law' about how more often than not a 'responsible' gun owner (what is that anyway? A person who has a licensed gun?) - like most carrying guns - is more likely to 'react' in a sudden and traumatic situation (ie being attacked in the street, etc.). 'Training', ie having a few sessions at a shooting range DOES NOT prepare you for 'real life' situations at all.

Edit: I see Hugh was quicker than me (good thing I didn't want to shoot him! ).

redrock

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

go back and read redrocks conversation with a cop.

When one thinks that, even amongst these highly trained (with continued training, being followed psychologically, etc.) there are so many 'mishaps'/hesitations/'accidents' when confronted with armed 'perps', one can only wonder how many more of these issues there are with the layperson. It's just logical reasoning. Unless, of course, those that 'push' carrying so much and are so intent on a 'shoot to kill' policy are better trained than the professionals.

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

you must know nothing about carrying or training no brainer a responsible gun owner knows when to use the gun duh i guess me and some others got to the antigun club with our opinion on their part in the crime cycle
i guess it makes ya think don't it

go back and read redrocks conversation with a cop.

ha lets not go off topic and talk about cops i've seen my share of inept damn some shoot dogs
as soon as look at them

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

you must know nothing about carrying or training no brainer a responsible gun owner knows when to use the gun duh i guess me and some others got to the antigun club with our opinion on their part in the crime cycle
i guess it makes ya think don't it

go back and read redrocks conversation with a cop.

ha lets not go off topic and talk about cops i've seen my share of inept damn some shoot dogs
as soon as look at them

um, if you read it you'd know it wasn't off topic at all, it was in direct relation to what you and some others are saying about carrying a gun and how it protects you.

so is this part of your issue, that you don't trust the police, so you think you need to do their job?

USARAY

redrock wrote:

Tritone wrote:

you must know nothing about carrying or training no brainer a responsible gun owner knows when to use the gun duh i guess me and some others got to the antigun club with our opinion on their part in the crime cycle
i guess it makes ya think don't it

Check out my post regarding the opinion (rather more than an opinion - based on facts and every day workload) of a 'man of the law' about how more often than not a 'responsible' gun owner (what is that anyway? A person who has a licensed gun?) - like most carrying guns - is more likely to 'react' in a sudden and traumatic situation (ie being attacked in the street, etc.). 'Training', ie having a few sessions at a shooting range DOES NOT prepare you for 'real life' situations at all.

Edit: I see Hugh was quicker than me (good thing I didn't want to shoot him! ).

don't mess with him his hands are registered man no anyone gets a license thats a must training is different
now i know you don't get it and ya think gun enthusiasts are irresponsible don't you or not?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I've also never really wrapped my head around the idea of "protecting my property". what the hell do I care to stick it out just to make sure someone doesn't damage my carpet? you're willing to die or even be injured or put your family at risk for STUFF?

maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

go back and read redrocks conversation with a cop.

ha lets not go off topic and talk about cops i've seen my share of inept damn some shoot dogs
as soon as look at them

um, if you read it you'd know it wasn't off topic at all, it was in direct relation to what you and some others are saying about carrying a gun and how it protects you.

so is this part of your issue, that you don't trust the police, so you think you need to do their job?

no man all the respect in the world for a good cop i have no issue i got a gun you got hands that will kill
sounds about equal man

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

don't mess with him his hands are registered man no anyone gets a license thats a must training is different
now i know you don't get it and ya think gun enthusiasts are irresponsible don't you or not?

I'll answer my views on this even though it was directed at redrock. I don't believe all gun owners/enthusiasts are irresponsible, I just think it's inately egotistical to think that we can control a weapon such as a loaded gun and not have accidents.

responsible gun owner or not, just like a responsible driver, accidents can and DO happen. it's a fact.

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I've also never really wrapped my head around the idea of "protecting my property". what the hell do I care to stick it out just to make sure someone doesn't damage my carpet? you're willing to die or even be injured or put your family at risk for STUFF?

maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.

damage your carpet huh yeah i am my family is at risk if i don't stop the assholes
just like the story of a home invasion here i think you said in that case yeah good thing there was a gun
wtf

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

don't mess with him his hands are registered man no anyone gets a license thats a must training is different
now i know you don't get it and ya think gun enthusiasts are irresponsible don't you or not?

I'll answer my views on this even though it was directed at redrock. I don't believe all gun owners/enthusiasts are irresponsible, I just think it's inately egotistical to think that we can control a weapon such as a loaded gun and not have accidents.

responsible gun owner or not, just like a responsible driver, accidents can and DO happen. it's a fact.

yeah you gonna ban cars too its no accident when some asshole shoots an innocent citizen dead
maybe that is ok with you not me if i'm around i will try to keep that from happening will you just watch
and call 911 instead of trying to stop crime your hands better be very quick against the guy with the gun

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I've also never really wrapped my head around the idea of "protecting my property". what the hell do I care to stick it out just to make sure someone doesn't damage my carpet? you're willing to die or even be injured or put your family at risk for STUFF?

maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.

damage your carpet huh yeah i am my family is at risk if i don't stop the assholes
just like the story of a home invasion here i think you said in that case yeah good thing there was a gun
wtf

I said property, not family. very different. of course I'll protect my family, but if we can get away and leave the house then I won't hesitate. stuff is just stuff.

I didn't say "good thing there was a gun". I said in this instance it seems like it helped the situation (only given the information provided), but the rest of my post also said there are just as many if not more instances where the gun hinders the situation, so to me it still doesn't make sense to own one.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

yeah you gonna ban cars too its no accident when some asshole shoots an innocent citizen dead
maybe that is ok with you not me if i'm around i will try to keep that from happening will you just watch
and call 911 instead of trying to stop crime your hands better be very quick against the guy with the gun

why is it that you have to go to the extreme that because I don't want to own a gun that I'm all of a sudden ok with innocent people dying? that's an incredible, not to mention offensive, stretch.

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I've also never really wrapped my head around the idea of "protecting my property". what the hell do I care to stick it out just to make sure someone doesn't damage my carpet? you're willing to die or even be injured or put your family at risk for STUFF?

maybe some people around here would rather die than have their reenk roink stolen, but not me. I'm getting the eff out of there.

damage your carpet huh yeah i am my family is at risk if i don't stop the assholes
just like the story of a home invasion here i think you said in that case yeah good thing there was a gun
wtf

I said property, not family. very different. of course I'll protect my family, but if we can get away and leave the house then I won't hesitate. stuff is just stuff.

I didn't say "good thing there was a gun". I said in this instance it seems like it helped the situation (only given the information provided), but the rest of my post also said there are just as many if not more instances where the gun hinders the situation, so to me it still doesn't make sense to own one.

thats your call and maybe someone with a gun might save your family one day
it happens

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

yeah you gonna ban cars too its no accident when some asshole shoots an innocent citizen dead
maybe that is ok with you not me if i'm around i will try to keep that from happening will you just watch
and call 911 instead of trying to stop crime your hands better be very quick against the guy with the gun

why is it that you have to go to the extreme that because I don't want to own a gun that I'm all of a sudden ok with innocent people dying? that's an incredible, not to mention offensive, stretch.

no offense meant i am that opposed to the death of innocents that i will defend them
even if it meansi will die i learned from 911 about loyalty and banding together
to fight anyone who wants to hurtamerican or otherwise just proactive and not waiting around for a police car like i said early on maybe
all those hurt in the congress women shooting could have been saved well we know they could have

goingtoverona

Gimmie, your posts are my favorite out of everyones, what you said about guns only being made to kill is almost as asinine as when you said you would be killed by a gun owner for protesting outside the nra convention in your town. Again, there are thousands of people that don't hunt or kill people, that just like to shoot, like the shooting in the olympics has nothing to do with killing people or animals, but you don't want to hear that because it doesn't fit with your argument and hatred of guns and people who own them. But thanks for your posts, your extreme bias is very, very entertaining for me.