"murdering a polar bear for shits and giggles and the bloody beast's pelt is the exact same as buying a cheese burger" - some folks from the pearl jam 10c
I agree on both counts and I find it repulsive for someone to eat meat then claim they are not a killer
P.S. most legal trophy hunters don't do that they use the animal and provide the food
and honor the animal with display
...
Personally, I have no problem with hunting. I understand the hunter that shoots a deer for its meat and have absolutely no problem with that.
I do not understand the hunting to kill... if someone hunting, just to kill. But, as you said, as long as it is legal... it is legal. Just because I don't understand or like it does not mean my opinion should outweigh a legal pursuit.
The thing I don't understand is the machismo that surrounds it. How is shooting an unarmed animal that doesn't know he's got a set of crosshairs from a great distance make anyone feel manly? Sounds kind of chickenshit, to me. If the bear was shooting back... then, okay, I get that. Or if they were to take down a bear or a wolf with a knife... they are a fucking bad-ass Grizzly Adams Crockett. But, shooting from helicopter... kind of Wussy Galore, to me.
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I agree on both counts and I find it repulsive for someone to eat meat then claim they are not a killer
P.S. most legal trophy hunters don't do that they use the animal and provide the food
and honor the animal with display
...
Personally, I have no problem with hunting. I understand the hunter that shoots a deer for its meat and have absolutely no problem with that.
I do not understand the hunting to kill... if someone hunting, just to kill. But, as you said, as long as it is legal... it is legal. Just because I don't understand or like it does not mean my opinion should outweigh a legal pursuit.
The thing I don't understand is the machismo that surrounds it. How is shooting an unarmed animal that doesn't know he's got a set of crosshairs from a great distance make anyone feel manly? Sounds kind of chickenshit, to me. If the bear was shooting back... then, okay, I get that. Or if they were to take down a bear or a wolf with a knife... they are a fucking bad-ass Grizzly Adams Crockett. But, shooting from helicopter... kind of Wussy Galore, to me.
thank you, cosmo. always great intellect from your direction. in this case it is not even profound, more like common fucking sense, yet worded with your greatness.
How is shooting an unarmed animal that doesn't know he's got a set of crosshairs from a great distance make anyone feel manly? Sounds kind of chickenshit, to me.
Especially, when you know these animals are baited and rounded up to make sure the "hunters" do get a kill. After all, it would be bad business if the clients of these canned hunts left without anything after paying $5000/$10000/$15000 more to the organisers!
people shouldn't tell other people what to do with in the law or how to live their lives
if somebody doesn't like the law work to change it stop bitching and make a change
talk is easy endless complaining too yak yak yak put the burger down and change the law be true to your values
Don't support the killing of any animals then not just the ones convenient to you
and a selfish appetite that fills your plate
BAAAAMMM ! home run folks it's outa da park !
Godfather.
Must you always act so childish...there's a time and place for everything. Man!
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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brianlux
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Lately, when I see this thread going on and on I think of Paul Westerberg's song, "The Right to Arm Bears."
Honor a furry friend and eat vegetarian or at the very least eat something raised, and slaughtered thoughtfully, kindly, domestically. I doubt many of us really need to hunt in order to feed ourselves.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Someone had a comedy bit where they talked about it... chickens, cows, pigs. It's okay to eat them because there are just so many of them fuckers and they are stupid and easy to kill... Here, piggy, piggy, piggy. BANG!!! Mmmmmm... bacon.
We protect and save the cute or smart or majestic animals... like dolphins, otters and eagles. Like the cute little otters that are so cute with their little humanlike hands and their floating on the water and their cracking oysters with a rock... But the cow... Shut the fuck up, cow. You're a sirloin with Worstershire or a catcher's mitt... get on the truck!
...
Bottom line... yeah, some animals are cute and some animals are lunch. To group them all in to one category or the other is ridiculous because just like everything else... it ain't just black or white.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Someone needs to back it down a notch or three. It's just a discussion...different points of view.
Thank you.
i believe i have said what i needed to say and i am done now. enjoy your evening, Kat. again, i appreaciate yours and Sea's work done here. thank you very much for your understanding and patience as we can be a hand full over here in the train.
I was confused because another posted lead me to believe a Trophy Hunt was illegal
it was exactly what I thought it was after my own investigation.
So you are ok then with legal hunting and if Ted's very minor discretion is the end
of his bad behavior you can then give him props... yes? that would be forgiving.
Oh please, now Ted's discretion is MINOR give me a break. you should become his defense lawyer you would do a great job for him. Is it so hard to say what he has admitted to is absolutely wrong and a fricking crime that most of us would not do? Well is it Pandora. My lord!
Peace
I have tendency to agree with a poster here who mentioned the alarmist attitudes of the left
using the words poacher, child molester, draft dodger in a derogatory way.
It comes from a political place in my opinion.
failing to submit a tag form to the DNR, after a bear escapes, taking another to me ...
ONCE, ONCE mind you ... his charges yes minor in the big scope of poaching.
These actions in my opinion, do not define him to be a poacher
and like child molester using these terms distracts from the very heinous
activities of those who truly are.
Ted's actions were illegal and he is paying his dues that should be the end of it.
But because of bias already in place it will not be for many here, including you g under p
as you have honestly acknowledged.
So how can anyone debate with any reasonable common
sense when they admit to be biased in Ted' s case alone.
This afternoon i took the ATV's out for a spin passed some turtles, gators, startled a trio of deer and had to slow down almost to a stop for some horses. In our community horses rule and are to respected like all the animals of this planet.
I honestly don't know what politics has to do with this subject matter, it doesn't because I don't care what political persuasion TN is from. I don't know anything about any child molestation coming from him, I do know he ducked out of going to Vietnam which makes him a draft dodger...you can pretty up the picture anyway you want it won't work. Oh and I did learn from this imformative thread he has killed animals illegally which you seem to have admitted to and so what if some want to call him a poacher get over it...it is what it is...minor discretion please.
Here we go with the bias...judgemental crap...listen lady it has nothing to do with what TN has done to animals in this thread. Do you think IF and I say IF I had NOT witnessed and experienced the things TN did at a show I would say something here differently? It would be worse lady far worse you see because I'm not surprised to learn he's capable of doing this illegal act to an animal that he's capable of doing it to a human I've seen it. Geez! Yes I do hate the guy for what he did in the past but it has no bearing on what he's done illegally to animals here got it.
I think someone here said something of being on a high horse..get off it the air down is fresher...to take a line from Megadeth...Peace Sells...But I'm Not Buying Into this Judgemental, Understanding, Bias, Crap when you can't seem to do so yourself. Thanks you can have the last word as usual.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
Someone had a comedy bit where they talked about it... chickens, cows, pigs. It's okay to eat them because there are just so many of them fuckers and they are stupid and easy to kill... Here, piggy, piggy, piggy. BANG!!! Mmmmmm... bacon.
We protect and save the cute or smart or majestic animals... like dolphins, otters and eagles. Like the cute little otters that are so cute with their little humanlike hands and their floating on the water and their cracking oysters with a rock... But the cow... Shut the fuck up, cow. You're a sirloin with Worstershire or a catcher's mitt... get on the truck!
...
Bottom line... yeah, some animals are cute and some animals are lunch. To group them all in to one category or the other is ridiculous because just like everything else... it ain't just black or white.
"Hey, Bubba, who you callin' ugly?"
I guess it is in the eye of the holder. After reading Temple Grandin I very much want to lay down on my back amidst a heard of cows and experience being close to them.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
This afternoon i took the ATV's out for a spin passed some turtles, gators, startled a trio of deer and had to slow down almost to a stop for some horses. In our community horses rule and are to respected like all the animals of this planet.
I honestly don't know what politics has to do with this subject matter, it doesn't because I don't care what political persuasion TN is from. I don't know anything about any child molestation coming from him, I do know he ducked out of going to Vietnam which makes him a draft dodger...you can pretty up the picture anyway you want it won't work. Oh and I did learn from this imformative thread he has killed animals illegally which you seem to have admitted to and so what if some want to call him a poacher get over it...it is what it is...minor discretion please.
Here we go with the bias...judgemental crap...listen lady it has nothing to do with what TN has done to animals in this thread. Do you think IF and I say IF I had NOT witnessed and experienced the things TN did at a show I would say something here differently? It would be worse lady far worse you see because I'm not surprised to learn he's capable of doing this illegal act to an animal that he's capable of doing it to a human I've seen it. Geez! Yes I do hate the guy for what he did in the past but it has no bearing on what he's done illegally to animals here got it.
I think someone here said something of being on a high horse..get off it the air down is fresher...to take a line from Megadeth...Peace Sells...But I'm Not Buying Into this Judgemental, Understanding, Bias, Crap when you can't seem to do so yourself. Thanks you can have the last word as usual.
Peace
I see the political angle maybe not for you but I even run into it the bias for Ted
hunting you speak without respect to a woman a lady as you call her you must be another woman or a man boasting values without the basic
your tone man if you are a man wtf really condescending
you and others judge pandora and godfather cause they disagree that is a high horse
neither are hunters another wtf what I read it is only Ted fans that piss you off
Bottom line... yeah, some animals are cute and some animals are lunch. To group them all in to one category or the other is ridiculous because just like everything else... it ain't just black or white.
thats fucked up do you do the same to people
do you eat meat? then you are justifying being a killer like the rest think they are better cause they don't pull a trigger
people shouldn't tell other people what to do with in the law or how to live their lives
if somebody doesn't like the law work to change it stop bitching and make a change
talk is easy endless complaining too yak yak yak put the burger down and change the law be true to your values
Don't support the killing of any animals then not just the ones convenient to you
and a selfish appetite that fills your plate
BAAAAMMM ! home run folks it's outa da park !
Godfather.
Must you always act so childish...there's a time and place for everything. Man!
Peace
:nono: back off man....I'm just starting my first cup of coffee and it's 4:43am in San Diego and I'm not really in the mood for any whinning so why don't you back up and start over.
your line of thinking is dangerous and out of order. that is the only leg you have to stand on. that is all you have been going on about since you came in here. that and you said i called you a nobody. wow. again, i'd like to know when i said you are a nobody.
you man are circling dude come on down good sense is respect all of mother nature not some and fill your plate with the rest that is called halfhearted bullshit
36 pages discussing a loud-mouthed, redneck idiot on Pearl Jam's message board.
Is there really no end to this bullshit?
:fp:
There are two sides and many just in the middle here and everywhere...
I do see the political of Ted and how the very left would really dislike him,
me I am middle ground so I just see him as entertaining mostly, he is no threat to me.
your line of thinking is dangerous and out of order. that is the only leg you have to stand on. that is all you have been going on about since you came in here. that and you said i called you a nobody. wow. again, i'd like to know when i said you are a nobody.
you man are circling dude come on down good sense is respect all of mother nature not some and fill your plate with the rest that is called halfhearted bullshit
36 pages discussing a loud-mouthed, redneck idiot on Pearl Jam's message board.
Is there really no end to this bullshit?
:fp:
There are two sides and many just in the middle here and everywhere...
I do see the political of Ted and how the very left would really dislike him,
me I am middle ground so I just see him as entertaining mostly, he is no threat to me.
that is true beings you dismiss wildlife rights. ted threatens me and my beliefs everyday.
36 pages discussing a loud-mouthed, redneck idiot on Pearl Jam's message board.
Is there really no end to this bullshit?
:fp:
There are two sides and many just in the middle here and everywhere...
I do see the political of Ted and how the very left would really dislike him,
me I am middle ground so I just see him as entertaining mostly, he is no threat to me.
that is true beings you dismiss wildlife rights. ted threatens me and my beliefs everyday.
only if you let him I have a feeling reading through the thread
that you may make some changes fight the good fight Chad, where your passions lie.
I'm behind that 100% and little known fact a major donation yearly
comes from us and our business to help fight just this.
We are animal lovers who respect the legal hunters because they too have rights.
ted nugent slaughters timber wolves for shits and giggles as does his buddy sarah palin, and probably by helicopter. how the hell can anyone find that acceptable?
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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Personally, I have no problem with hunting. I understand the hunter that shoots a deer for its meat and have absolutely no problem with that.
I do not understand the hunting to kill... if someone hunting, just to kill. But, as you said, as long as it is legal... it is legal. Just because I don't understand or like it does not mean my opinion should outweigh a legal pursuit.
The thing I don't understand is the machismo that surrounds it. How is shooting an unarmed animal that doesn't know he's got a set of crosshairs from a great distance make anyone feel manly? Sounds kind of chickenshit, to me. If the bear was shooting back... then, okay, I get that. Or if they were to take down a bear or a wolf with a knife... they are a fucking bad-ass Grizzly Adams Crockett. But, shooting from helicopter... kind of Wussy Galore, to me.
Hail, Hail!!!
thank you, cosmo. always great intellect from your direction. in this case it is not even profound, more like common fucking sense, yet worded with your greatness.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Thank you.
Must you always act so childish...there's a time and place for everything. Man!
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Honor a furry friend and eat vegetarian or at the very least eat something raised, and slaughtered thoughtfully, kindly, domestically. I doubt many of us really need to hunt in order to feed ourselves.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
We protect and save the cute or smart or majestic animals... like dolphins, otters and eagles. Like the cute little otters that are so cute with their little humanlike hands and their floating on the water and their cracking oysters with a rock... But the cow... Shut the fuck up, cow. You're a sirloin with Worstershire or a catcher's mitt... get on the truck!
...
Bottom line... yeah, some animals are cute and some animals are lunch. To group them all in to one category or the other is ridiculous because just like everything else... it ain't just black or white.
Hail, Hail!!!
goodnight everyone...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
This afternoon i took the ATV's out for a spin passed some turtles, gators, startled a trio of deer and had to slow down almost to a stop for some horses. In our community horses rule and are to respected like all the animals of this planet.
I honestly don't know what politics has to do with this subject matter, it doesn't because I don't care what political persuasion TN is from. I don't know anything about any child molestation coming from him, I do know he ducked out of going to Vietnam which makes him a draft dodger...you can pretty up the picture anyway you want it won't work. Oh and I did learn from this imformative thread he has killed animals illegally which you seem to have admitted to and so what if some want to call him a poacher get over it...it is what it is...minor discretion please.
Here we go with the bias...judgemental crap...listen lady it has nothing to do with what TN has done to animals in this thread. Do you think IF and I say IF I had NOT witnessed and experienced the things TN did at a show I would say something here differently? It would be worse lady far worse you see because I'm not surprised to learn he's capable of doing this illegal act to an animal that he's capable of doing it to a human I've seen it. Geez! Yes I do hate the guy for what he did in the past but it has no bearing on what he's done illegally to animals here got it.
I think someone here said something of being on a high horse..get off it the air down is fresher...to take a line from Megadeth...Peace Sells...But I'm Not Buying Into this Judgemental, Understanding, Bias, Crap when you can't seem to do so yourself. Thanks you can have the last word as usual.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"Hey, Bubba, who you callin' ugly?"
I guess it is in the eye of the holder. After reading Temple Grandin I very much want to lay down on my back amidst a heard of cows and experience being close to them.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
hunting you speak without respect to a woman a lady as you call her you must be another woman or a man boasting values without the basic
your tone man if you are a man wtf really condescending
you and others judge pandora and godfather cause they disagree that is a high horse
neither are hunters another wtf what I read it is only Ted fans that piss you off
do you eat meat? then you are justifying being a killer like the rest think they are better cause they don't pull a trigger
:nono: back off man....I'm just starting my first cup of coffee and it's 4:43am in San Diego and I'm not really in the mood for any whinning so why don't you back up and start over.
Godfather.
I can't believe this shit has dragged on for 36 pages.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... aden-kill/
Is there really no end to this bullshit?
:fp:
It definitely has. Everything has been said on the subject, though not all the 'subtleties' have been understood
As Chad said: "i believe i have said what i needed to say and i am done now".
And I don't have anymore popcorn.....
Good day B!
I do see the political of Ted and how the very left would really dislike him,
me I am middle ground so I just see him as entertaining mostly, he is no threat to me.
i believe i have gas!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
that you may make some changes fight the good fight Chad, where your passions lie.
I'm behind that 100% and little known fact a major donation yearly
comes from us and our business to help fight just this.
We are animal lovers who respect the legal hunters because they too have rights.
Does that mean you are done "reminding" people to stay on topic?
And really? A piece that's a year old? Are you sure your not just stirring the pot a little?
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
This yesterdays column and saw some reporting last night as well...
war on poverty
he takes a stance and I agree on some of the points
this is an all topic Ted but not where you discuss me Steve really?
Why all the negative attention :?
That is what is meant by stay on topic and I'm not the topic! Discuss Ted.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce