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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Yes that is the federal person I am speaking of.
    Doesn't matter where I live.
    I like to keep my finger on the pulse of the country.
    Paper canditates are what the NDP has always been. They come to fruition once in awhile for the Cons to regroup and defeat them.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Any election includes some people who are surprised they won. In fact, I would guess that most people running for the first time don't expect to win. That doesn't necessarily mean they will be worse at the job than people who were confident, perhaps overconfident, that they would win. ( And I think you know that the Liberals have been the party doing the defeating more often than the Conservatives.)
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2015
    ^^
    To have a majority of seats won by admitted surprise should not have run in the first place.
    I certainly can't say if they will be better or worse than their predecessors but they should ought to have known the game they play - tax money.

    NDP is highschool for adults.

    edit- this was a protest vote that won them the election
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^
    To have a majority of seats won by admitted surprise should not have run in the first place.
    I certainly can't say if they will be better or worse than their predecessors but they should ought to have known the game they play - tax money.

    NDP is highschool for adults.

    edit- this was a protest vote that won them the election

    Again, you are talking as if you know the lay of the land here in Alberta. Have you even visited Alberta?

    I wouldn't pretend to know the "pulse" of where you are from, I would suggest you try not to tell me mine.

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2015
    ^^
    I have lived there.
    Have you lived in any other province?

    edit - Edmonton, Calgary and lethbridge to be exact
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^
    I have lived there.
    Have you lived in any other province?

    edit - Edmonton, Calgary and lethbridge to be exact

    Nope. Born and bred Albertan. Born and raised in Medicine Hat, lived in Lethbridge for 10 years and now I reside in Calgary.

    When did you live here?
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    dignin said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^
    I have lived there.
    Have you lived in any other province?

    edit - Edmonton, Calgary and lethbridge to be exact

    Nope. Born and bred Albertan. Born and raised in Medicine Hat, lived in Lethbridge for 10 years and now I reside in Calgary.

    When did you live here?
    It was my younger days
    Medicine hat 1998 (for 1yr)
    Edmonton 2005
    Calgary - I am there all the time visiting family so I will correct myself in saying that I have not "lived" in Calgary
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    dignin said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^
    I have lived there.
    Have you lived in any other province?

    edit - Edmonton, Calgary and lethbridge to be exact

    Nope. Born and bred Albertan. Born and raised in Medicine Hat, lived in Lethbridge for 10 years and now I reside in Calgary.

    When did you live here?
    It was my younger days
    Medicine hat 1998 (for 1yr)
    Edmonton 2005
    Calgary - I am there all the time visiting family so I will correct myself in saying that I have not "lived" in Calgary

    Cool, we were in Medicine Hat at the same time.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    For Albertans on this thread what is the pulse that will vote come federal time?
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    PJfanwillneverleave is right, this election was an anti-PC vote than a pro-NDP vote. Allow me to explain. People had to send a clear message change was necessary. What were the options? Wildrose, which is a collection of hardline right wingers who broke away from the old PC's. Doesn't sound like change (for the record I was involved with the WRA for a while five years ago, they were all people in the oil business, I was less than impressed with the "grassroots" political slant).
    So voting WRA sends no real message, and the party was in a shambles after the Danielle Smith fiasco. The party leader crosses the floor? I was shocked they did as well as they did.
    The Liberals? Puhhhlease. David Swann is a whack job. Part of his platform was making inoculation a requirement for children. Noble cause but hardly a campaign issue. He is a doctor, but he is way over his head (my MLA, lucky me).
    So the only option was NDP. I for one, hope they do a bang up job, but their historical record is shaky. My mom said tonight she has lived through NDP governments in BC and does not want to go through it again.
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    For Albertans on this thread what is the pulse that will vote come federal time?

    I think Alberta will stay mostly Conservative here federally. I don't feel a Harper backlash here, but maybe I am wrong. I don't think it will be as strong as the last election, but the Conservatives will do well. This anti-terror bill is not good for them, and has people talking. Feels a little like he's a Bu$hleaguer? :fearful:
    oftenreading said:

    Any election includes some people who are surprised they won. In fact, I would guess that most people running for the first time don't expect to win. That doesn't necessarily mean they will be worse at the job than people who were confident, perhaps overconfident, that they would win. ( And I think you know that the Liberals have been the party doing the defeating more often than the Conservatives.)

    Agree with this post, to a point. Fresh blood is great, fresh ideas. Too much can lead to incompetence however. This is going to be a once-in-a-lifetime socio-economic experiment. I really am interested to see how it turns out.
    I was a contract consultant for five years. Been tough for a few months. After some hard thinking, I Took a union job, start June 1 (not kidding). Out of the oil business, but still involved in energy. I took the stability of employment, because I am unsure how business is going to be here in 2016 and beyond.
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    dignin said:

    By the way, 1thought, glad to have you on board here in the AMT. Always great to have a different perspective.

    Thank you for the comment! Respectful opinions are always appreciated. People will not always agree, but if you put partisanship aside, we all realize we just want what's best for the country (or province as it were).
    My "1ThoughtKnown" is that I love PJ. When it comes to politics I have no affiliation. The craziest thing? When my wife and I went to vote, I told her the NDP was going to win a majority. She laughed at me... :giggle:
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    edited May 2015
    Last-12-Exit said:

    You guys act like you can't live off $25,000 a year. It can be done. Even with children.

    You don't seem to know what the cost of living is in Canada (and then there is Vancouver, which is a whole other ballgame - $25,000 salary would have you renting out a small bedroom in someone else's house and eating Kraft Dinner everyday).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    PJ_Soul said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    You guys act like you can't live off $25,000 a year. It can be done. Even with children.

    You don't seem to know what the cost of living is in Canada (and then there is Vancouver, which is a whole other ballgame - $25,000 salary would have you renting out a small bedroom in someone else's house and eating Kraft Dinner everyday).
    I think the point is, throughout history, humans have moved to find a better life. $25,000 is not good in Vancouver, but you just may have to move to the next "big thing" which is what I did.
    Fort McMurray turned my life around. Would a wife and kids have liked it? Maybe not. Should a woman her children stand behind the man (or vice versa) if he/she must move somewhere to provide a better life? Damn friggin rights.
    North America was FOUNDED on people looking for a better life. Instead, people today think "my family is from here and I should not have to move, the government should make sure I get a living wage".
    Capitalism and the free market system does not work that way. Economics cannot survive in a welfare state in countries as large and diverse as Canada (to try an avoid the obvious Norway and Sweden comparisons the far left like to make).
    Fact is, I saw my family MORE after I went to Fort Mac because I had more time off and could afford flights lol.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    So now that old Pete is leaving the Federal foray is this a sign of inner turmoil of the Federal cabinet?
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    ^^^^

    It probably does. If you have worked for a micromanager you can understand how it strangles your ability to run a department. While I am not a Harper hater, I just believe true leadership is having the right people and putting them into positions they can succeed.
    You have to trust your cabinet. Micro managers trust no one and create their own office drama.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    More on the 'pulse' of Alberta:

    http://albertapolitics.ca/2015/05/how-weird-is-this-calgary-chamber-of-commerce-spokesperson-praises-rachel-notleys-ndp-government/

  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    ^^^^^

    Small business isn't concerned, but I don't think that is the pulse shared by people in the resources sector. And I know plenty of them.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^^^

    The Alta resource rich field has always been that.
    The provincial orange is now involved and is about to get their hands dirty unbeknownst to them.
    Soon we will see articles how they didn't anticipate how their challenges of running a province was unexpected and they will no doubt cast the Conservatives in their shadow.

    The resource rich Alta was a goldmine for eastcoast job-seekers.
    Now the recentl elected provincial government has to pretend for a short time that the easterners know business.
    People left the east for a reason,
    That is not to say the far west (BC) does not have their problems with too liberal youth either.
    Alberta does not want the east.


  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^^^

    The Alta resource rich field has always been that.
    The provincial orange is now involved and is about to get their hands dirty unbeknownst to them.
    Soon we will see articles how they didn't anticipate how their challenges of running a province was unexpected and they will no doubt cast the Conservatives in their shadow.

    The resource rich Alta was a goldmine for eastcoast job-seekers.
    Now the recentl elected provincial government has to pretend for a short time that the easterners know business.
    People left the east for a reason,
    That is not to say the far west (BC) does not have their problems with too liberal youth either.
    Alberta does not want the east.


    PJfan, what do you mean with "problems with too liberal youth"?
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    I mean it is nice to have an open mind.
    Just not so open that your brain falls out.
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