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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    Not sure if anyone is following the leadnow vote together campaign ( http://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/?filter=swing )...but Feist, Dan Mangan and others have announced that they'll play shows in support.
    http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/8106062?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001

    Thanks for sharing that drowned, I will pass it along.

    I also wouldn't mind that concert to come around my neck of the woods, it's a pretty good lineup.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    That's been part of the ndp platform for years...
    I like mulcair but I really wish he had carried layton's position on the Israeli occupation. I think it's a joke that every party in Canada maintains essentially the same stance on the topic.

    Yeah....I wasn't impressed with his stance on Israel either.
  • Looks to me that he is also pushing a more pro-Israel stance on his traditionally more UN-positioned mp's as well. How very Harperian of him. http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/dave-bush/2015/07/canadas-bloody-political-consensus-on-israelpalestine

    I'm putting my tinfoil hat back on before the weaponized cancer voices come back :wink:


  • dignin said:

    Not sure if anyone is following the leadnow vote together campaign ( http://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/?filter=swing )...but Feist, Dan Mangan and others have announced that they'll play shows in support.
    http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/8106062?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001

    Thanks for sharing that drowned, I will pass it along.

    I also wouldn't mind that concert to come around my neck of the woods, it's a pretty good lineup.
    Saw Dan Mangan with the RAA at the Winspear a couple years ago. I wasn't very familiar with his stuff but I liked it... he was a solid performer and a lot of fun.
  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited September 2015
    I agree, I am not interested in the "Israeli occupation"

    Have you noticed the Syrian refugee crisis? Or have you been living under a rock.

    Abolishing the Senate is a great idea, but I'm not sure I share enough ideology with the NDP.
    They are just too soft on the lazy.
    Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on
  • I agree, I am not interested in the "Israeli occupation"

    Have you noticed the Syrian refugee crisis? Or have you been living under a rock.

    Abolishing the Senate is a great idea, but I'm not sure I share enough ideology with the NDP.
    They are just too soft on the lazy.

    Please define "too soft on the lazy".
    Anything you lose from being honest
    You never really had to begin with.


    Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited September 2015
    "Too soft on the lazy". - a lesson in irony.

    More money goes to welfare than anytime in history, yet in national parks, the federal government makes it illegal to feed the wildlife lest they become dependent on it. :whistle:

    Where is the desire to go make something of yourself? If the government solves all of your problems, what happens to the drive?
    Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on
  • National parks are becoming further north.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    dignin said:

    Not sure if anyone is following the leadnow vote together campaign ( http://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/?filter=swing )...but Feist, Dan Mangan and others have announced that they'll play shows in support.
    http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/8106062?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001

    Thanks for sharing that drowned, I will pass it along.

    I also wouldn't mind that concert to come around my neck of the woods, it's a pretty good lineup.
    Saw Dan Mangan with the RAA at the Winspear a couple years ago. I wasn't very familiar with his stuff but I liked it... he was a solid performer and a lot of fun.
    That's funny, I ran into RAA at a local pub here in town on Saturday. They wanted to shake my hand because I was sporting a RAA toque. They felt bad about the cancellation of their show at x-fest and the drummer Paul gave me his email address so I could shoot him an email next time they were playing Calgary so I could get on the guest list....now if I could only remember the address......I was a few beers in.

    I've seen Dan a few times live....always great. If you haven't heard his newest album with Blacksmith I highly recommend it.
  • I agree, I am it interested in the "Israeli occupation"

    Have you noticed the Syrian refugee crisis? Or have you been living under a rock.

    Me? Yes, I've noticed...why do you ask?
  • ^^^^^
    :get_outta_here:
  • dignin said:

    dignin said:

    Not sure if anyone is following the leadnow vote together campaign ( http://www.votetogether.ca/riding/list/?filter=swing )...but Feist, Dan Mangan and others have announced that they'll play shows in support.
    http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/8106062?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001

    Thanks for sharing that drowned, I will pass it along.

    I also wouldn't mind that concert to come around my neck of the woods, it's a pretty good lineup.
    Saw Dan Mangan with the RAA at the Winspear a couple years ago. I wasn't very familiar with his stuff but I liked it... he was a solid performer and a lot of fun.
    That's funny, I ran into RAA at a local pub here in town on Saturday. They wanted to shake my hand because I was sporting a RAA toque. They felt bad about the cancellation of their show at x-fest and the drummer Paul gave me his email address so I could shoot him an email next time they were playing Calgary so I could get on the guest list....now if I could only remember the address......I was a few beers in.

    I've seen Dan a few times live....always great. If you haven't heard his newest album with Blacksmith I highly recommend it.
    Awesome! They approached you? I've met them a couple times post-show..I love how they always make themselves available to fans, even at bigger shows. I got my Hometowns LP signed like a fanboy...I'm sure you heard they were honouring x fest tix at sonic boom? My kids and I managed to get thru their set before leaving...pouring rain and 3 degrees fack....
    Paul is such a sick drummer; remember that email and I'm coming to you their next time thru! :lol: you can hang with Paul, I'll make sure Amy's not bored :wink:
    Been meaning to check that album out - I'll listen from work tomorrow, thanks for the reminder!
    (Prob shoulda pm'd this, sorry folks!)
  • ^^^^^
    :get_outta_here:

    Spit it out man...what am I missing?

    1thought....Have you ever posted here under a different name?
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited September 2015
    Ah...you had a typo in your reply about the occupation (I quoted your original post, which I read before you edited it)...
    And I should care if it interests you or not? aside from thinking it's pretty weak that you're not interested in such and important topic...? Feel free to ignore my posts on Canadian/Israeli relations.
    Post edited by Drowned Out on
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited September 2015

    Feel free to ignore my posts on Canadian/Israeli relations.

    It is really not that important because the issue will always be there.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • Just watched the mulcair interview on the national...I agree he presented well. Need to watch the other interviews with the other leaders.

    I agree with mulcair on Syria, btw. And I'm glad he took a shot at Harper for politicizing the refugee crisis.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    It's about time that this BS is starting to backfire on him....the behavior of our PM and the medias response to it has been an embarrassment.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-s-message-control-backfiring-this-time-1.3223579

    The Harper Conservatives long ago surpassed the tactics of American parties, even the Obama Democrats, who set new standards of control freakishness in Washington — monitoring interviews with public servants, insisting that expert briefings be "on background," using judicial orders to uncover media sources, and trying to blackball critical reporters.

    Still, the White House press secretary faces reporters on camera almost daily, and Obama is constantly answering not just questions, but the more important follow-ups, which Harper refuses.

    Americans demand a certain level of transparency. Canadians, the Conservatives wagered, take a different view.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited September 2015
    dignin said:

    It's about time that this BS is starting to backfire on him....the behavior of our PM and the medias response to it has been an embarrassment.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-s-message-control-backfiring-this-time-1.3223579

    The Harper Conservatives long ago surpassed the tactics of American parties, even the Obama Democrats, who set new standards of control freakishness in Washington — monitoring interviews with public servants, insisting that expert briefings be "on background," using judicial orders to uncover media sources, and trying to blackball critical reporters.

    Still, the White House press secretary faces reporters on camera almost daily, and Obama is constantly answering not just questions, but the more important follow-ups, which Harper refuses.

    Americans demand a certain level of transparency. Canadians, the Conservatives wagered, take a different view.

    Thank god this is finally being discussed. I can't believe it took this long... I hope Canadians don't like it fizzle out. So far, they have generally been outrageously apathetic about this kind of thing.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited September 2015
    ^^^^^^
    eh I don't know.
    It's no different than being on AMT. Some people respond to others some don't.
    He doesn't have time for media generated crap just like the public doesn't so he avoids it and only says what he wants when he wants.
    Tough titties if people don't like it.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954

    ^^^^^^
    eh I don't know.
    It's no different than being on AMT. Some people respond to others some don't.
    He doesn't have time for media generated crap just like the public doesn't so he avoids it and only says what he wants when he wants.
    Tough titties if people don't like it.

    image
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Pretty hard to argue when such a reputable source as the New York Times quotes a Canadian.
    Last line in particular.
    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/09/12/world/ap-cn-canada-syria-refugees.html?_r=0
  • Seriously? Do I have to explain why we stick up for Israel? Wow.
    I will give you a history lesson if you want
  • Seriously? Do I have to explain why we stick up for Israel? Wow.
    I will give you a history lesson if you want

    I swear on the bible that you have five avatars.
  • Seriously? Do I have to explain why we stick up for Israel? Wow.
    I will give you a history lesson if you want

    I swear on the bible that you have five avatars.
    :wink:
  • Seriously? Do I have to explain why we stick up for Israel? Wow.
    I will give you a history lesson if you want

    You talking to me?

    By all means, let's hear your history....curious to see the year your version begins in.
  • Seriously? Do I have to explain why we stick up for Israel? Wow.
    I will give you a history lesson if you want

    You talking to me?

    By all means, let's hear your history....curious to see the year your version begins in.
    Guys,
    take your beefs to the middle east.
    This is a Canadian politics thread.
  • Canadian Politics is involved. I will say this and never broach the subject again...

    Our biggest allies gave land to the Jewish people after the atrocities of WWII. They gave them what they believed was their "Holy Land". Many Jews in Europe were displaced and had no nation of their own.
    The U.S. and the UK set this up, with the understanding the UK WOULD KEEP A LID ON THINGS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
    Things went fine here for about 20 years, as the U.S. Talked the Saudis into selling their oil in U.S. Dollars with the promise to protect them from Israel the Saudis agreed and in turn, convinced all the other OPEC nations to only sell their oil in U.S. Dollars. It became the standard currency of the world as oil was changing the way the world lived.
    In the middle of this, the Shah of Iran was a friend to the UK and U.S. One day the UK decided they did not want to police the gulf anymore and pulled out, leaving Iran in charge, around 1967.
    In the meantime, countries who did not have their own oil supply, like Japan, had to either convert their currency to US dollars,to buy oil, or create goods and sell them to the U.S. To buy oil. I think we know how that plays out, with the influx of Japanese electronics and cars, etc.
    So Iran is running the show with a friendly leadership to the west, and the OPEC nations are becoming rich with oil reserves, and the U.S. Is happy because they can print money at will, due to the demand for oil and in turn, the demand for the U.S. Greenback.
    All goes well until late 1979, when a new Shah is in power in Iran, one which is not playing by the rules. They are backed by Communist USSR and the U.S. Is forced to begin to attempt to control the area. The 7 Years War between USSR-backed Iran and the U.S.-backed Iraq begins.
    Saddam Hussein had been jealous of the power and prestige of Iran and wanted to attack for ever, but new it was a suicide mission with the old Iranian regime. Now with the support of the U.S. He could gain control over the gulf region.
    The war accomplished little, and left Hussein broke and desperate. Thus the attack on Kuwait in 1992 (I think that was the year). Of course the U.S. couldn't allow this kind of unrest and had to defend their ally in Kuwait.
    So what does this have to do with Israel? Well, when they created Israel they did so with the understanding they would protect her from the other Middle Eastern nations. Canada is a part of they.
    Also, if oil is someday traded in another currency (happening between China and Russia by some accounts) then the U.S. Dollar will plummet. So much US currency is available, and if it not needed to buy oil, it becomes worthless. They created a system to print money at will.
    If the U.S. Greenback tumbles into this, Canada will surely follow.
    We must protect Israel and keep a lid on things in the Middle East, the economic repercussions will. Be enormous. Now you know, the trouble In the Middle East is not "religious and goes back thousands of years", it goes back to about 1947.
  • Scripted or not this is well spoken and true.
    It's a 2min caption about refugees and the stance of Canada.
    It is true that Canada already announced we will be taking in more refugees yearly before this newest "crisis" was in the news.
    The humanitarian assistance part is bang on.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-stephen-harper-responds-to-scathing-criticism-from-jean-chretien/article26347643/
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