Some lie more than others... Actually, no matter who the politicians are, the longer they are in power, the more corrupt they become. It is human nature. Ralph Klein thought he could do no wrong. Papa Trudeau and Chrétien left Ottawa amidst swirling rumours of boondoggles and cronyism. Mulroney, same thing... And the list goes on and on and on. Canadians rewrite history by leaving people in power too long, over and over and over.
We have 35 (40?) million people and carry 2% of the worlds debt. I am looking for leadership to get government spending under control. Before we end up like Ontario, a province carrying 12 Billion in debt. That is insane. We are asking our children's grandchildren to pay for our "lifestyle". Why don't we get off our asses and work for it ourselves?
There is not much to disagree with here. I think term limits would be an option to maybe get rid of some of the corruption we almost always seem to see after these guys have been in power for so long.
Some lie more than others... Actually, no matter who the politicians are, the longer they are in power, the more corrupt they become. It is human nature. Ralph Klein thought he could do no wrong. Papa Trudeau and Chrétien left Ottawa amidst swirling rumours of boondoggles and cronyism. Mulroney, same thing... And the list goes on and on and on. Canadians rewrite history by leaving people in power too long, over and over and over.
We have 35 (40?) million people and carry 2% of the worlds debt. I am looking for leadership to get government spending under control. Before we end up like Ontario, a province carrying 12 Billion in debt. That is insane. We are asking our children's grandchildren to pay for our "lifestyle". Why don't we get off our asses and work for it ourselves?
There is not much to disagree with here. I think term limits would be an option to maybe get rid of some of the corruption we almost always seem to see after these guys have been in power for so long.
That is one option, but it must go further than just the party leaders. Congress and Senate in the U.S. Can serve for life if they want. It has done little to stop corruption south of the border. Why don't we as the electorate just fire them ourselves?
Voters in BC are not looking favourably at the Conservatives; 75% do not want to see the Tories get back in.
The poll suggested that 75 per cent of decided respondents, including close to half (43 per cent) of those who said they voted Tory in 2011, say it’s time for a change.
And yes, of course, polls don't necessarily predict the results of the election, etc. etc. But I'd say this reflects what I hear from those around me in BC.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Some lie more than others... Actually, no matter who the politicians are, the longer they are in power, the more corrupt they become. It is human nature. Ralph Klein thought he could do no wrong. Papa Trudeau and Chrétien left Ottawa amidst swirling rumours of boondoggles and cronyism. Mulroney, same thing... And the list goes on and on and on. Canadians rewrite history by leaving people in power too long, over and over and over.
We have 35 (40?) million people and carry 2% of the worlds debt. I am looking for leadership to get government spending under control. Before we end up like Ontario, a province carrying 12 Billion in debt. That is insane. We are asking our children's grandchildren to pay for our "lifestyle". Why don't we get off our asses and work for it ourselves?
A $12 billion dollar debt is insane? What about a $300 billion dollar debt? Ontario's debt isn't $12 billion, it's closer to $300 billion. The deficit is around $12 billion.
The problem as I see things is that voters want everything for nothing. Top rate roads, transportation, healthcare, armed forces and education for free. People are constantly complaining about being taxed to death while whining about substandard services so governments go to great lengths to add more services while lowering taxes. Liberal governments of course tend to focus on the former while Conservative governments focus on the latter (both governments tend to do both though). Is it any wonder that most Western governments have massing spending problems? What politician could successfully get elected on the promise of higher taxes and streamlined services/infrastructure, even if it is fiscally prudent?
Instead we have liberal governments promising more social programs and conservative governments promising lower taxes. Neither option is satisfactory. Basically, everyone wants something for nothing and politicians on both sides are more than willing to promise as much. As for our "grandchildren"; nobody truly cares about what the next generation will have to deal with. Heck, many of us don't even care with what this current generation of 20 somethings is going through. Choosing a new government is akin to picking your poison. There are no satisfactory options here.
You are right, Ontario has the worlds largest sub-sovereign debt. Twice as much as California.
The problem is all you said, except that the money is there for all those things. You are forgetting the biggest problem, government WASTE. How much money is wasted in the beaurocracy? How much money is wasted paying some engineering outfit to do a "feasibility study"? How much money is blown on hookers and booze?
Give money to our police officers and fire fighters, but take it from the senators who make money to never show up for work.
This is what everyone is sick of. We don't want it for free, we just want people in government to realize they are no better than the electorate they represent. How much more can they tax us? Seriously... How many more Canadian independent filmmakers can we finance? How many more hours of useless CBC programming should a taxpayer fund? (I support the CBC for our remote citizens, but that's it).
Speak for yourself in not caring about the next generation. You don't speak for me.
Sometimes when I have to explain to my children that the tax they have to pay on their favourite chocolate bar goes to in some part pave the sidewalk they walked on to get to the store to buy it, it is a tough sell even for me to believe.
Exactly. Look at all the boondoggles over the years. Doesn't matter what party it is, provincially or federally, but some of these fuckers should have done jail time. They are ROBBING us. In BC they wanted to add a tax to help pay for transportation issues. Why not streamline your operation and cut the fat? Why not determine what is most important and pay for that? Why am I, a taxpayer, going to have to fund a new arena and football stadium across the river? It's bullshit. But the average sheep who cares if the Flames are in the NHL thinks it's ok to give land and money to billionaires. Who benefits? The owners that's who.
All three levels of government waste and waste and waste money. Give us the ESSENTIALS. Schools, roads, bridges, playgrounds, health care, librariies, etc. But we elect them to make fucking decisions, not waste millions on feasibility studies and estimates and whatever other scam they can think of to line the pockets of their buddies and supporters.
I appreciate everything I have as a Canadian, but greed in government is going to shatter everything that is great about democracy. The reason North America was settled was to get away from the bourgeoise of Europe. A place where a peasant never had a chance. Let's force government to make tough decisions, not offer tax breaks to teachers for friggin stickers, or tax breaks for Elk's Club or Rotary memberships. It's nauseating... No one gives a shit about this nickel and dime shit.
Hahaha. I tend to rant every once in a while, gets people on the board fired up.
I disagree, they nickel and dime us, like it's important. It takes our focus away from what is really happening; that they are ripping us off. The more they rip us off, the farther we go into debt. There is no honour amongst thieves.
^^^ No doubt we are getting nickeled and dimed. Same way the govt feels from tax evaders though. We all want a balance. Once a year we are asked to provide our income.
Biggest tax evaders are the corporations who have lobbyists on the Hill. Same ones who make back room deals with politicians... It's shady stuff mang..
Ok that hurt, so please... let me explain.... The post was meant to highlight the corruption of the Conservative party, in line with previous posts in this thread discussing corruption. I so hoped those following this thread would have been interested to read it...maybe I'd be honoured by an agreeable quote or two from what I pray to be my modest AMT clique. Or maybe find someone to engage me in some kind of open communication...and in this validation, find some kind of meaning to this drab existence. Alas, I was so wrong. In the future I will endeavour to meet your stringent quality control standards. the bar has been set high; I have my work cut out for me.
do you even pj bro? there are forum standards that trump even yours. subsection 10.10.5 v 1 of the Pjpitdouche code states: Knowing stage banter and improvisational lyrics from all live releases verbatim is mandatory. I guess we're even
Ok that hurt, so please... let me explain.... The post was meant to highlight the corruption of the Conservative party, in line with previous posts in this thread discussing corruption. I so hoped those following this thread would have been interested to read it...maybe I'd be honoured by an agreeable quote or two from what I pray to be my modest AMT clique. Or maybe find someone to engage me in some kind of open communication...and in this validation, find some kind of meaning to this drab existence. Alas, I was so wrong. In the future I will endeavour to meet your stringent quality control standards. the bar has been set high; I have my work cut out for me.
Haha. This is perfect! I quit feeding the troll a bit ago. It's a bore.....but after seeing this little back and forth I am considering engaging the troll again. Well played drowned and on point.
Corruption is most likely committed by the party in power because they control your tax dollars. My point is, it will be the same no matter who you vote for.
The criminal activity within Harper's inner circle is disturbing to say the least.
Corruption is most likely committed by the party in power because they control your tax dollars. My point is, it will be the same no matter who you vote for.
The criminal activity within Harper's inner circle is disturbing to say the least.
I don't really think any party is corrupt at the start. I really do think it's because they are in power for to long. When their main objective is to try and keep their powerful job, they will do shady shit to keep that job.
I think term limits would help with this. No incentive to do shady shit to try and keep their job. You're in for set amount of time, do your job, and move on.
Corruption is most likely committed by the party in power because they control your tax dollars. My point is, it will be the same no matter who you vote for.
The criminal activity within Harper's inner circle is disturbing to say the least.
I don't really think any party is corrupt at the start. I really do think it's because they are in power for to long. When their main objective is to try and keep their powerful job, they will do shady shit to keep that job.
I think term limits would help with this. No incentive to do shady shit to try and keep their job. You're in for set amount of time, do your job, and move on.
I'm not sure about that. I've always assumed that most politicians have to get their hands dirty to get to the top. I don't think they mean any harm, but I think they've probably been playing games and pulling strings long before they ever win the day. It would be nice if our political leaders had to maintain a certain level of public confidence to stay in power. If that were the case, you can bet that they would do a lot more to ensure that the rights of Canadians are respected. I almost wish that the PM was separated from his or her party and elected nationally on a separate ballot.
Corruption is most likely committed by the party in power because they control your tax dollars. My point is, it will be the same no matter who you vote for.
The criminal activity within Harper's inner circle is disturbing to say the least.
I don't really think any party is corrupt at the start. I really do think it's because they are in power for to long. When their main objective is to try and keep their powerful job, they will do shady shit to keep that job.
I think term limits would help with this. No incentive to do shady shit to try and keep their job. You're in for set amount of time, do your job, and move on.
Term limits do not stop the corruption from within the engine that drives a party. Very few people get involved in politics for reasons other than their own gain. Why else would they? A lawyer makes far more in their profession than as an MP, MLA, etc. However, it sure looks good on a resume if you get elected and return to the private sector, not to mention the name recognition you get.
do you even pj bro? there are forum standards that trump even yours. subsection 10.10.5 v 1 of the Pjpitdouche code states: Knowing stage banter and improvisational lyrics from all live releases verbatim is mandatory. I guess we're even
Ok that hurt, so please... let me explain.... The post was meant to highlight the corruption of the Conservative party, in line with previous posts in this thread discussing corruption. I so hoped those following this thread would have been interested to read it...maybe I'd be honoured by an agreeable quote or two from what I pray to be my modest AMT clique. Or maybe find someone to engage me in some kind of open communication...and in this validation, find some kind of meaning to this drab existence. Alas, I was so wrong. In the future I will endeavour to meet your stringent quality control standards. the bar has been set high; I have my work cut out for me.
Haha. This is perfect! I quit feeding the troll a bit ago. It's a bore.....but after seeing this little back and forth I am considering engaging the troll again.
Now, now Mrs. Fancy pants Just because you are NDP gives you no reason to expect NDP company. Mulcair is not your saviour, you fool.
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Why don't we as the electorate just fire them ourselves?
The poll suggested that 75 per cent of decided respondents, including close to half (43 per cent) of those who said they voted Tory in 2011, say it’s time for a change.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/voters+planning+push+Harper+Tories+office+election+poll/11316003/story.html
And yes, of course, polls don't necessarily predict the results of the election, etc. etc. But I'd say this reflects what I hear from those around me in BC.
The problem as I see things is that voters want everything for nothing. Top rate roads, transportation, healthcare, armed forces and education for free. People are constantly complaining about being taxed to death while whining about substandard services so governments go to great lengths to add more services while lowering taxes. Liberal governments of course tend to focus on the former while Conservative governments focus on the latter (both governments tend to do both though). Is it any wonder that most Western governments have massing spending problems? What politician could successfully get elected on the promise of higher taxes and streamlined services/infrastructure, even if it is fiscally prudent?
Instead we have liberal governments promising more social programs and conservative governments promising lower taxes. Neither option is satisfactory. Basically, everyone wants something for nothing and politicians on both sides are more than willing to promise as much. As for our "grandchildren"; nobody truly cares about what the next generation will have to deal with. Heck, many of us don't even care with what this current generation of 20 somethings is going through. Choosing a new government is akin to picking your poison. There are no satisfactory options here.
You are right, Ontario has the worlds largest sub-sovereign debt. Twice as much as California.
The problem is all you said, except that the money is there for all those things. You are forgetting the biggest problem, government WASTE.
How much money is wasted in the beaurocracy? How much money is wasted paying some engineering outfit to do a "feasibility study"?
How much money is blown on hookers and booze?
Give money to our police officers and fire fighters, but take it from the senators who make money to never show up for work.
This is what everyone is sick of. We don't want it for free, we just want people in government to realize they are no better than the electorate they represent.
How much more can they tax us? Seriously... How many more Canadian independent filmmakers can we finance? How many more hours of useless CBC programming should a taxpayer fund? (I support the CBC for our remote citizens, but that's it).
Speak for yourself in not caring about the next generation. You don't speak for me.
it is a tough sell even for me to believe.
They are ROBBING us.
In BC they wanted to add a tax to help pay for transportation issues. Why not streamline your operation and cut the fat? Why not determine what is most important and pay for that?
Why am I, a taxpayer, going to have to fund a new arena and football stadium across the river? It's bullshit. But the average sheep who cares if the Flames are in the NHL thinks it's ok to give land and money to billionaires. Who benefits? The owners that's who.
All three levels of government waste and waste and waste money. Give us the ESSENTIALS. Schools, roads, bridges, playgrounds, health care, librariies, etc.
But we elect them to make fucking decisions, not waste millions on feasibility studies and estimates and whatever other scam they can think of to line the pockets of their buddies and supporters.
I appreciate everything I have as a Canadian, but greed in government is going to shatter everything that is great about democracy. The reason North America was settled was to get away from the bourgeoise of Europe. A place where a peasant never had a chance.
Let's force government to make tough decisions, not offer tax breaks to teachers for friggin stickers, or tax breaks for Elk's Club or Rotary memberships. It's nauseating... No one gives a shit about this nickel and dime shit.
That was a big rant.
The pennies is what will make you broke and what you have to pay attention to.
Nickel and dime shit is important.
I disagree, they nickel and dime us, like it's important. It takes our focus away from what is really happening; that they are ripping us off.
The more they rip us off, the farther we go into debt. There is no honour amongst thieves.
No doubt we are getting nickeled and dimed.
Same way the govt feels from tax evaders though.
We all want a balance. Once a year we are asked to provide our income.
Same ones who make back room deals with politicians... It's shady stuff mang..
Are you really a Canadian?
Back room deals and shady stuff is not the way in our politics.
It's not Russia or Mexico, but where exactly do you think billions of dollars goes when there is a boondoggle?
The way of the gold toilet seat of course.
And your point is what?
It is annoying when people post others thoughts without adding one of their own.
The post was meant to highlight the corruption of the Conservative party, in line with previous posts in this thread discussing corruption. I so hoped those following this thread would have been interested to read it...maybe I'd be honoured by an agreeable quote or two from what I pray to be my modest AMT clique. Or maybe find someone to engage me in some kind of open communication...and in this validation, find some kind of meaning to this drab existence. Alas, I was so wrong.
In the future I will endeavour to meet your stringent quality control standards. the bar has been set high; I have my work cut out for me.
Now you're talkin,
Like a politician
The bar is not that high.
Speak what you feel.
How will I recover? Thankfully, I'm a possomist.
This too shall pass.
I don't want to google
but what is a possomist?
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/14098/whats-an-eternal-possomist
there are forum standards that trump even yours. subsection 10.10.5 v 1 of the Pjpitdouche code states: Knowing stage banter and improvisational lyrics from all live releases verbatim is mandatory.
I guess we're even
My point is, it will be the same no matter who you vote for.
The criminal activity within Harper's inner circle is disturbing to say the least.
I think term limits would help with this. No incentive to do shady shit to try and keep their job. You're in for set amount of time, do your job, and move on.
Very few people get involved in politics for reasons other than their own gain. Why else would they? A lawyer makes far more in their profession than as an MP, MLA, etc.
However, it sure looks good on a resume if you get elected and return to the private sector, not to mention the name recognition you get.
Was fun while it lasted though
cheers
Just because you are NDP gives you no reason to expect NDP company.
Mulcair is not your saviour, you fool.
edit - Fine, I will throw you a bone.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/who-is-tom-mulcair-5-questions-canadians-asked-google-1.3203181
Before googling this guy I stated he is just a guy doing political things.
Married to a psychologist says a lot.
Mulcair = political opportunist