Canadian Politics

polaris_x

dignin said:

Bold move by Trudeau

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-to-remove-senators-from-liberal-caucus-1.2515273

i like it ... nice shot across the bow of the supposed party of "honesty and transparency" ...

dignin

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

Bold move by Trudeau

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-to-remove-senators-from-liberal-caucus-1.2515273

i like it ... nice shot across the bow of the supposed party of "honesty and transparency" ...

Ya, me too. Seems to have taken the CONS way off guard.

polaris_x

dignin said:

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

Bold move by Trudeau

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-to-remove-senators-from-liberal-caucus-1.2515273

i like it ... nice shot across the bow of the supposed party of "honesty and transparency" ...

Ya, me too. Seems to have taken the CONS way off guard.

i think trudeau to be too raw and inexperienced and that he will get smoked in the election debates but for the first time today ... i can actually see him winning ...

lukin2006

I like the move as well...

still prefer a referrendum on the issue...

as for the next election I think we'll be in minority government again ... I don't see the ndp doing as well in Quebec and I see the Bloc making a little bit of comeback and the liberals doing much better in Quebec. Just a matter of is it going to be con or lib minority.

dignin

Maybe. I think this move will speak to a lot of voters. He still won't get my vote, but I like that he has shown leadership prowess in this situation. I don't think it will be a popular move with the insiders of his own party.

Idris

dignin said:

Maybe. I think this move will speak to a lot of voters. He still won't get my vote, but I like that he has shown leadership prowess in this situation. I don't think it will be a popular move with the insiders of his own party.

sorry I may of missed it. But what would it take for him to get your vote?

polaris_x

Idris said:

sorry I may of missed it. But what would it take for him to get your vote?

for me ... a rejection of keystone; a better grasp of the issues; and a complete overhaul of the old school liberals ... soo - basically never ... haha

dignin

polaris_x said:

Idris said:

sorry I may of missed it. But what would it take for him to get your vote?

for me ... a rejection of keystone; a better grasp of the issues; and a complete overhaul of the old school liberals ... soo - basically never ... haha

Same here. He would have to essentially change parties. Not that I'm married to any party, but it would take a lot of change for me to vote Liberal. Change which Trudeau seems to have no interest in making.

Idris

polaris_x said:

Idris said:

sorry I may of missed it. But what would it take for him to get your vote?

for me ... a rejection of keystone; a better grasp of the issues; and a complete overhaul of the old school liberals ... soo - basically never ... haha

hmmm, interesting.
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I was reading some of his foreign policy notes, I'm far from impressed with him myself. So add that to what you've said above.

guess he's not getting my vote. Well, not just yet anyway.

dignin

If I was put in strategic vote situation, for the end game of proportional representation, then yes, he could get my vote.

polaris_x

dignin said:

If I was put in strategic vote situation, for the end game of proportional representation, then yes, he could get my vote.

ya ... me too ... thankfully, i live in a riding that has the conservatives last ...

Idris

I do support his views on Marijuana Legislation. (for the most part anyway)

lukin2006

well ... on second thought it only took the political analyst about 30 minutes to find holes in his strategy.

polaris_x

lukin2006 said:

well ... on second thought it only took the political analyst about 30 minutes to find holes in his strategy.

what holes?

dignin

lukin2006 said:

well ... on second thought it only took the political analyst about 30 minutes to find holes in his strategy.

Analyst or talking head for another party? I stand back and look at it and only see positives for you and me.

lukin2006

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

well ... on second thought it only took the political analyst about 30 minutes to find holes in his strategy.

what holes?

basically they are still senators and are still liberals ... so which way do you think they'll vote, they'll still tow the party line. But it should never of matter what party a senator is affilited with anyways ... once named you're a senator for life so you should always be able to vote your conscience. Either way the only solution except able to me is a national referendum with 2 questions 1) do you want an elected senate 2) abolish the senate ... why is it so hard for the government to let the people decide? Oh ... I almost forget the politicians think they know whats best.

lukin2006

dignin said:

lukin2006 said:

well ... on second thought it only took the political analyst about 30 minutes to find holes in his strategy.

Analyst or talking head for another party? I stand back and look at it and only see positives for you and me.

No ... the analyst, many felt he's just trying to stay one step ahead of the auditor general report on the spending scandals by distancing himself, and as they've said they are still senators who are still liberal.

lukin2006

Kelly McParland: Trudeau’s senators dare not speak their Liberal name

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/01/30/kelly-mcparland-trudeaus-senators-dare-not-speak-their-liberal-name/

polaris_x

one of problems about abolishing the senate is the fact that it would require a constitutional change which is obviously a long a difficult process ... i would much rather - the remove caucuses in the senate and have everyone sit as an independent ... and also set term limits ... 8 years max ... you're out ... no matter what ...

dignin

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chalk-one-up-for-justin-trudeau-s-senate-surprise-1.2516311