^^^ Yes that is the federal person I am speaking of. Doesn't matter where I live. I like to keep my finger on the pulse of the country. Paper canditates are what the NDP has always been. They come to fruition once in awhile for the Cons to regroup and defeat them.
Any election includes some people who are surprised they won. In fact, I would guess that most people running for the first time don't expect to win. That doesn't necessarily mean they will be worse at the job than people who were confident, perhaps overconfident, that they would win. ( And I think you know that the Liberals have been the party doing the defeating more often than the Conservatives.)
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
^^ To have a majority of seats won by admitted surprise should not have run in the first place. I certainly can't say if they will be better or worse than their predecessors but they should ought to have known the game they play - tax money.
NDP is highschool for adults.
edit- this was a protest vote that won them the election
^^ To have a majority of seats won by admitted surprise should not have run in the first place. I certainly can't say if they will be better or worse than their predecessors but they should ought to have known the game they play - tax money.
NDP is highschool for adults.
edit- this was a protest vote that won them the election
Again, you are talking as if you know the lay of the land here in Alberta. Have you even visited Alberta?
I wouldn't pretend to know the "pulse" of where you are from, I would suggest you try not to tell me mine.
^^ I have lived there. Have you lived in any other province?
edit - Edmonton, Calgary and lethbridge to be exact
Nope. Born and bred Albertan. Born and raised in Medicine Hat, lived in Lethbridge for 10 years and now I reside in Calgary.
When did you live here?
It was my younger days Medicine hat 1998 (for 1yr) Edmonton 2005 Calgary - I am there all the time visiting family so I will correct myself in saying that I have not "lived" in Calgary
^^ I have lived there. Have you lived in any other province?
edit - Edmonton, Calgary and lethbridge to be exact
Nope. Born and bred Albertan. Born and raised in Medicine Hat, lived in Lethbridge for 10 years and now I reside in Calgary.
When did you live here?
It was my younger days Medicine hat 1998 (for 1yr) Edmonton 2005 Calgary - I am there all the time visiting family so I will correct myself in saying that I have not "lived" in Calgary
PJfanwillneverleave is right, this election was an anti-PC vote than a pro-NDP vote. Allow me to explain. People had to send a clear message change was necessary. What were the options? Wildrose, which is a collection of hardline right wingers who broke away from the old PC's. Doesn't sound like change (for the record I was involved with the WRA for a while five years ago, they were all people in the oil business, I was less than impressed with the "grassroots" political slant). So voting WRA sends no real message, and the party was in a shambles after the Danielle Smith fiasco. The party leader crosses the floor? I was shocked they did as well as they did. The Liberals? Puhhhlease. David Swann is a whack job. Part of his platform was making inoculation a requirement for children. Noble cause but hardly a campaign issue. He is a doctor, but he is way over his head (my MLA, lucky me). So the only option was NDP. I for one, hope they do a bang up job, but their historical record is shaky. My mom said tonight she has lived through NDP governments in BC and does not want to go through it again.
For Albertans on this thread what is the pulse that will vote come federal time?
I think Alberta will stay mostly Conservative here federally. I don't feel a Harper backlash here, but maybe I am wrong. I don't think it will be as strong as the last election, but the Conservatives will do well. This anti-terror bill is not good for them, and has people talking. Feels a little like he's a Bu$hleaguer?
Any election includes some people who are surprised they won. In fact, I would guess that most people running for the first time don't expect to win. That doesn't necessarily mean they will be worse at the job than people who were confident, perhaps overconfident, that they would win. ( And I think you know that the Liberals have been the party doing the defeating more often than the Conservatives.)
Agree with this post, to a point. Fresh blood is great, fresh ideas. Too much can lead to incompetence however. This is going to be a once-in-a-lifetime socio-economic experiment. I really am interested to see how it turns out. I was a contract consultant for five years. Been tough for a few months. After some hard thinking, I Took a union job, start June 1 (not kidding). Out of the oil business, but still involved in energy. I took the stability of employment, because I am unsure how business is going to be here in 2016 and beyond.
By the way, 1thought, glad to have you on board here in the AMT. Always great to have a different perspective.
Thank you for the comment! Respectful opinions are always appreciated. People will not always agree, but if you put partisanship aside, we all realize we just want what's best for the country (or province as it were). My "1ThoughtKnown" is that I love PJ. When it comes to politics I have no affiliation. The craziest thing? When my wife and I went to vote, I told her the NDP was going to win a majority. She laughed at me...
You guys act like you can't live off $25,000 a year. It can be done. Even with children.
You don't seem to know what the cost of living is in Canada (and then there is Vancouver, which is a whole other ballgame - $25,000 salary would have you renting out a small bedroom in someone else's house and eating Kraft Dinner everyday).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
You guys act like you can't live off $25,000 a year. It can be done. Even with children.
You don't seem to know what the cost of living is in Canada (and then there is Vancouver, which is a whole other ballgame - $25,000 salary would have you renting out a small bedroom in someone else's house and eating Kraft Dinner everyday).
I think the point is, throughout history, humans have moved to find a better life. $25,000 is not good in Vancouver, but you just may have to move to the next "big thing" which is what I did. Fort McMurray turned my life around. Would a wife and kids have liked it? Maybe not. Should a woman her children stand behind the man (or vice versa) if he/she must move somewhere to provide a better life? Damn friggin rights. North America was FOUNDED on people looking for a better life. Instead, people today think "my family is from here and I should not have to move, the government should make sure I get a living wage". Capitalism and the free market system does not work that way. Economics cannot survive in a welfare state in countries as large and diverse as Canada (to try an avoid the obvious Norway and Sweden comparisons the far left like to make). Fact is, I saw my family MORE after I went to Fort Mac because I had more time off and could afford flights lol.
It probably does. If you have worked for a micromanager you can understand how it strangles your ability to run a department. While I am not a Harper hater, I just believe true leadership is having the right people and putting them into positions they can succeed. You have to trust your cabinet. Micro managers trust no one and create their own office drama.
The Alta resource rich field has always been that. The provincial orange is now involved and is about to get their hands dirty unbeknownst to them. Soon we will see articles how they didn't anticipate how their challenges of running a province was unexpected and they will no doubt cast the Conservatives in their shadow.
The resource rich Alta was a goldmine for eastcoast job-seekers. Now the recentl elected provincial government has to pretend for a short time that the easterners know business. People left the east for a reason, That is not to say the far west (BC) does not have their problems with too liberal youth either. Alberta does not want the east.
The Alta resource rich field has always been that. The provincial orange is now involved and is about to get their hands dirty unbeknownst to them. Soon we will see articles how they didn't anticipate how their challenges of running a province was unexpected and they will no doubt cast the Conservatives in their shadow.
The resource rich Alta was a goldmine for eastcoast job-seekers. Now the recentl elected provincial government has to pretend for a short time that the easterners know business. People left the east for a reason, That is not to say the far west (BC) does not have their problems with too liberal youth either. Alberta does not want the east.
PJfan, what do you mean with "problems with too liberal youth"?
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
^^^^ Yes that is true that BC has been liberal for decades. But only on the provincial level.
BC -The too-liberal thinking(youth) provincial gov't and because of their way has now become a grandstanding province that is controlled by anything but.
The point is, a perfect ideology is socially liberal and fiscally (or economically) conservative. Every party in Canada would be "left" in America. There is no "religious right" in Canada with any political clout which tugs at the tea party faction of the Republican Party. They are all "progressive" in nature, while the Tea Party are right wing nut cases.
The problem is, economics cannot work the way the "far left" in Canada would want you to believe. The free market system cannot sustain itself within a completely socialist or communist system. The cracks in the Chinese economy are starting to show, the Soviet system failed. Sweden failed. Our freedoms are enjoyed because of this capitalist system, you can work harder and take more risks and be rewarded. You can take the safe route and live really comfortably.
Canada has the most successful balance of socialism and capitalism the world has ever seen. Health Care for everyone. A social safety net as good as anywhere. The ability to gain wealth. The joy of living in a safe country.
We must be careful how "liberal" we are economically, it threatens our freedoms.
The point is, a perfect ideology is socially liberal and fiscally (or economically) conservative. Every party in Canada would be "left" in America. There is no "religious right" in Canada with any political clout which tugs at the tea party faction of the Republican Party. They are all "progressive" in nature, while the Tea Party are right wing nut cases.
The problem is, economics cannot work the way the "far left" in Canada would want you to believe. The free market system cannot sustain itself within a completely socialist or communist system. The cracks in the Chinese economy are starting to show, the Soviet system failed. Sweden failed. Our freedoms are enjoyed because of this capitalist system, you can work harder and take more risks and be rewarded. You can take the safe route and live really comfortably.
Canada has the most successful balance of socialism and capitalism the world has ever seen. Health Care for everyone. A social safety net as good as anywhere. The ability to gain wealth. The joy of living in a safe country.
We must be careful how "liberal" we are economically, it threatens our freedoms.
Another person who doesn't understand what the "tea party" even is. What you just described as your economic stance is what the "tea party" believes. You are the same and you are not a "right wing nutcase". The tea party and social conservatives are two different circles in the conservative Venn diagram. Some members over lap but not all do. For example Mike Huckabee is a social conservative but not a tea party conservative. It drives me nuts how many fiscally conservative Canadians don't understand the difference. Pay attention people!
I don't really have to pay "close attention" to American politics. I live in Canada. But, you obviously missed my point, I am socially liberal, not conservative. I am not in line with anything Republican on social issues. Especially not Huckabee, Tea Party or not. The entire Republican Party is not Tea Party crazy, but that Cruz guy (born in Calgary) is a maniac. The religious right in the US is not a force here in Canada, and the Republicans NEED their votes. Mike Huckabee may be a social conservative but not in the tea party, which is just as bad isn't it? Does he support gay marriage? Abortion? Push for change in racial inequality? Fair immigration reform?
Our "conservative" federal government has admitted to a huge travesty involving First Nations and catholic residential schools, calling It "cultural genocide". I applause them on taking the first step to assist in healing process for our First Nations people. Would the Republicans do that? Would they admit slavery was wrong and publicly admit to the world that American policy screwed up the following generations with slavery? Really, I am asking because you seem to think I know so little....
Did you see those tax rates? 51%? That doesn't even count the 25% sales tax in Norway. The Nordic system is not as good as Canada's, but I am biased. In fact, Norway's former Finance Minister recently said the reason they have a trillion dollars in the bank is because they looked at the model of Alberta, designed by Peter Lougheed's PC government in the 80s.
Did you see those tax rates? 51%? That doesn't even count the 25% sales tax in Norway. The Nordic system is not as good as Canada's, but I am biased. In fact, Norway's former Finance Minister recently said the reason they have a trillion dollars in the bank is because they looked at the model of Alberta, designed by Peter Lougheed's PC government in the 80s.
The model which all proceeding PC governments eroded away. The model which Rachel Notley and the Alberta NDP wants to bring us back to.
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Yes that is the federal person I am speaking of.
Doesn't matter where I live.
I like to keep my finger on the pulse of the country.
Paper canditates are what the NDP has always been. They come to fruition once in awhile for the Cons to regroup and defeat them.
To have a majority of seats won by admitted surprise should not have run in the first place.
I certainly can't say if they will be better or worse than their predecessors but they should ought to have known the game they play - tax money.
NDP is highschool for adults.
edit- this was a protest vote that won them the election
I wouldn't pretend to know the "pulse" of where you are from, I would suggest you try not to tell me mine.
I have lived there.
Have you lived in any other province?
edit - Edmonton, Calgary and lethbridge to be exact
When did you live here?
Medicine hat 1998 (for 1yr)
Edmonton 2005
Calgary - I am there all the time visiting family so I will correct myself in saying that I have not "lived" in Calgary
Cool, we were in Medicine Hat at the same time.
So voting WRA sends no real message, and the party was in a shambles after the Danielle Smith fiasco. The party leader crosses the floor? I was shocked they did as well as they did.
The Liberals? Puhhhlease. David Swann is a whack job. Part of his platform was making inoculation a requirement for children. Noble cause but hardly a campaign issue. He is a doctor, but he is way over his head (my MLA, lucky me).
So the only option was NDP. I for one, hope they do a bang up job, but their historical record is shaky. My mom said tonight she has lived through NDP governments in BC and does not want to go through it again. I think Alberta will stay mostly Conservative here federally. I don't feel a Harper backlash here, but maybe I am wrong. I don't think it will be as strong as the last election, but the Conservatives will do well. This anti-terror bill is not good for them, and has people talking. Feels a little like he's a Bu$hleaguer?
I was a contract consultant for five years. Been tough for a few months. After some hard thinking, I Took a union job, start June 1 (not kidding). Out of the oil business, but still involved in energy. I took the stability of employment, because I am unsure how business is going to be here in 2016 and beyond.
My "1ThoughtKnown" is that I love PJ. When it comes to politics I have no affiliation. The craziest thing? When my wife and I went to vote, I told her the NDP was going to win a majority. She laughed at me...
Fort McMurray turned my life around. Would a wife and kids have liked it? Maybe not. Should a woman her children stand behind the man (or vice versa) if he/she must move somewhere to provide a better life? Damn friggin rights.
North America was FOUNDED on people looking for a better life. Instead, people today think "my family is from here and I should not have to move, the government should make sure I get a living wage".
Capitalism and the free market system does not work that way. Economics cannot survive in a welfare state in countries as large and diverse as Canada (to try an avoid the obvious Norway and Sweden comparisons the far left like to make).
Fact is, I saw my family MORE after I went to Fort Mac because I had more time off and could afford flights lol.
It probably does. If you have worked for a micromanager you can understand how it strangles your ability to run a department. While I am not a Harper hater, I just believe true leadership is having the right people and putting them into positions they can succeed.
You have to trust your cabinet. Micro managers trust no one and create their own office drama.
http://albertapolitics.ca/2015/05/how-weird-is-this-calgary-chamber-of-commerce-spokesperson-praises-rachel-notleys-ndp-government/
Small business isn't concerned, but I don't think that is the pulse shared by people in the resources sector. And I know plenty of them.
The Alta resource rich field has always been that.
The provincial orange is now involved and is about to get their hands dirty unbeknownst to them.
Soon we will see articles how they didn't anticipate how their challenges of running a province was unexpected and they will no doubt cast the Conservatives in their shadow.
The resource rich Alta was a goldmine for eastcoast job-seekers.
Now the recentl elected provincial government has to pretend for a short time that the easterners know business.
People left the east for a reason,
That is not to say the far west (BC) does not have their problems with too liberal youth either.
Alberta does not want the east.
I mean it is nice to have an open mind.
Just not so open that your brain falls out.
Probably.
Though it does not change the fact that BC is becoming too liberal thinking.
I suspect that's not what you mean.
BC has been pretty liberal for decades.
Yes that is true that BC has been liberal for decades.
But only on the provincial level.
BC -The too-liberal thinking(youth) provincial gov't and because of their way has now become a grandstanding province that is controlled by anything but.
party in Canada would be "left" in America. There is no "religious right" in Canada with any political clout which tugs at the tea party faction of the Republican Party.
They are all "progressive" in nature, while the Tea Party are right wing nut cases.
The problem is, economics cannot work the way the "far left" in Canada would want you to believe. The free market system cannot sustain itself within a completely socialist or communist system.
The cracks in the Chinese economy are starting to show, the Soviet system failed. Sweden failed.
Our freedoms are enjoyed because of this capitalist system, you can work harder and take more risks and be rewarded. You can take the safe route and live really comfortably.
Canada has the most successful balance of socialism and capitalism the world has ever seen.
Health Care for everyone. A social safety net as good as anywhere. The ability to gain wealth.
The joy of living in a safe country.
We must be careful how "liberal" we are economically, it threatens our freedoms.
The entire Republican Party is not Tea Party crazy, but that Cruz guy (born in Calgary) is a maniac. The religious right in the US is not a force here in Canada, and the Republicans NEED their votes. Mike Huckabee may be a social conservative but not in the tea party, which is just as bad isn't it?
Does he support gay marriage? Abortion? Push for change in racial inequality? Fair immigration reform?
Our "conservative" federal government has admitted to a huge travesty involving First Nations and catholic residential schools, calling It "cultural genocide". I applause them on taking the first step to assist in healing process for our First Nations people. Would the Republicans do that? Would they admit slavery was wrong and publicly admit to the world that American policy screwed up the following generations with slavery? Really, I am asking because you seem to think I know so little....
The Nordic system is not as good as Canada's, but I am biased.
In fact, Norway's former Finance Minister recently said the reason they have a trillion dollars in the bank is because they looked at the model of Alberta, designed by Peter Lougheed's PC government in the 80s.
The model which all proceeding PC governments eroded away. The model which Rachel Notley and the Alberta NDP wants to bring us back to.