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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,693
    In Houston a grandmother was rushing her grandchild to the emergency room and her car was blocked by a Trayvon protest that was refusing to let traffic through. When she pleaded to be let through she was beaten. They also thought it would be clever to block an ambulance that was trying to rush through.

    So much for peaceful protests. The cause is lost when you do stupid shit like that. If I was ever put in that unfortunate position i would have no problem hitting the gas.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    Blockhead wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    1. He previously and bragged about being in fights
    2. when security guard searched his backpack he found women's ring and earring as well as a screw driver said to be used as a burglary tool.
    3. Tested positive for marijuana after death/ had photos of himself using weed/ pictures of him growing weed.
    Whether you like it or not, all three of these are illegal.
    4. attempted to acquire a firearm illegal/ Had photographs of him holding a gun on twitter.

    So again ill ask, why does it bother you so much that Zimmerman overreacted and called the cops a bunch of time and you try to draw conclusions of what kind of "character" he was from that, yet TM's actions don't get a peep?

    I'll take a crack at it.
    1. I knew dozens of kids in high school that bragged about fights. So?
    2. Screw driver "said" to be used as burglary tool? I hadnt heard this. Where's the info that Trayvon used a screwdriver to burglarize someone/something? was he convicted? I have a screwdriver in my car right now, and every now and then, you might find my wife's earrings in the cup holder. What am I guilty of?
    3. I know a lot of people who smoke weed. there are pictures of Trayvon growing weed? This i did not know.
    I also know a lot of people who go over the speed limit every day - also illegal.
    4. I also didnt know he tried to get a firearm. That's not good.

    To sum up, I'd rather not live next door to Trayvon OR Zimmerman. But I dont blame folks for saying they wouldnt want Zimemrman as a neighbor. He killed someone after making very poor decisions. I think a lot of people given the choice, would probably steer clear of the guy. And as Polaris said, none of those things you listed led to the decision Zimmerman made to pursue trayvon. But you make a good point about Trayvon's propensity to fight. That might have been a contributor to his death.

    A lot of Trayvon's character flaws are similar to tons of kids that dont ever end up killing someone in their lifetime. So, the bottom line for me is, Zimmerman had it in him to make terrible decisions and kill someone. Trayvon is just a stupid kid. I'd pick trayvon as a neighbor over zimmerman any day.
    You would pick someone who obtains guns illegally over someone who takes the time/pays for their CCW?

    I didnt know Trayvon obtained guns illegally. I do know Zimmerman is a poor decision maker who killed someone.
    Again, I'd rather not live near either of them. But Im just making a point as to why I wouldnt want to live near Zimmerman. You asked why several of us have said that, and our answer is usually because he makes poor decisions, lies, and killed someone .That's enough for me. No need to ask why Trayvon's character doesnt come into play anymore...
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    Jason P wrote:
    Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

    You'd think. Actually I believe most neighborhood watch guidelines do not allow guns at all. And they also arent supposed to pursue on foot. Zimmerman did things his own way obviously.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Jason P wrote:
    Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

    you ever had skittles thrown at you? a taser can't stop that
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    norm wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

    you ever had skittles thrown at you? a taser can't stop that

    They really need to be trained in the ways of the Force if they are to stand any chance against such weaponry.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    JimmyV wrote:
    norm wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Wouldn't it make more sense for a neigborhood watch to carry a stun gun or tazer instead of a handgun in the first place?

    you ever had skittles thrown at you? a taser can't stop that

    They really need to be trained in the ways of the Force if they are to stand any chance against such weaponry.
    At the very least they should be run through Cmndt. Eric Lassard's Citizens On Patrol training.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    cp3iverson wrote:
    In Houston a grandmother was rushing her grandchild to the emergency room and her car was blocked by a Trayvon protest that was refusing to let traffic through. When she pleaded to be let through she was beaten. They also thought it would be clever to block an ambulance that was trying to rush through.

    So much for peaceful protests. The cause is lost when you do stupid shit like that. If I was ever put in that unfortunate position i would have no problem hitting the gas.

    Crap...i just read this also.

    I already believe her grandchild is more valuable than the savage things.

    All she did was roll the window down and attempt to reason with them.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    oh, i am sorry. i did not know that trayvon martin was on trial for his own murder. :oops:

    when does the victim's facebook come into play? it was not admitted into evidence, so how can that even be relevant to the events of that night? did his alleged attempt to get sizzrup have anything to do with him being profiled, followed, confronted, and shot in the heart? i didn't think so. those events happened because he was a strange black kid walking in a gated community. that is the only reason those events happened. it has nothing to do with him posting about guns and stuff. fact is, he had no gun on his person, and the person that did have one used it to take the life of a teenager. these are facts. i am not making them up.

    blockhead, was there evidence at his dad's house about sizzrup? was there??

    i know what makes good ecstasy. i have never made it, but i know the ingredients. does that make me guilty of anything? am i now legally a target of a vigilante?

    and thank you for instructing me how to post, but i think i am doing ok posting the way i post. i don't tell you not to post as a hateful, condescending person. i can handle reading your posts, so you can deal with my posts i think.

    this whole thing about sizzrup and making a story out of that IS playing on stereotypes of young african americans. it is diverting attention from the whole point that the stand your ground laws are fucked up. this is 2013, not the old west.

    and what you all are doing, assassinating trayvon's character long after death, is very unfair. he lost his life. you can't leave it at that? you want to bash him and his family now still?? haven't they suffered enough?

    you can attack me all you want. you are on the wrong side of this, and the feds are gonna try to prove that. you never once referred to this as a tragedy. any time a teenager is shot to death it is a tragedy.


    Blockhead wrote:
    and to blow your "NO" evidence claim.
    1. According to Trayvon Martin's own Facebook posts he had been using "lean" since at least June 2011.
    2. June 27th 2011, Martin asks friend via Facebook "unow a connect for codien"
    3. He tells his friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean". "I had it before" and wants "to make some more"

    Next time you want to debate/discuss a case, especially one of this magnitude, you might want to know the actual facts, not just read whatever biased headlines "your news" feeds you. And quite attacking posters claiming their "spreading bullshit stereotypical nonsense."
    I wish people like you didn't blindly following your political side on every subject.

    Instead of discussing/debating this trial/case from your own formed opinion and forming your own conclusions you just "stuck" to your political side and let them do all the talking for you. And now look at how much you an idiot you look like by saying the things you do, when the evidence is so easily available if you actually did the research.
    This is direct not only to you but several posters in this thread.
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  • Blockhead wrote:
    Here is what I don't get, and for some reason everybody is doing it.
    Why do you care or why does it matter that you wouldn't like zimmerman as a neighbor? Why do you and other continue to focus on that?
    I guess Ill be the first to say it, but;
    I wouldn't want trayvon martin walking in my neighbor hood. And ill bring up the facts why i feel this way.
    1. He previously and bragged about being in fights
    2. when security guard searched his backpack he found women's ring and earring as well as a screw driver said to be used as a burglary tool.
    3. Tested positive for marijuana after death/ had photos of himself using weed/ pictures of him growing weed.
    Whether you like it or not, all three of these are illegal.
    4. attempted to acquire a firearm illegal/ Had photographs of him holding a gun on twitter.

    So again ill ask, why does it bother you so much that Zimmerman overreacted and called the cops a bunch of time and you try to draw conclusions of what kind of "character" he was from that, yet TM's actions don't get a peep?

    I can sum up my feelings on this so I can leave this discussion freely.

    Lack of Evidence can make it easy to argue that Zimmerman gets off. I cede that. I'm gong to try to insert my opinions in () so there is less confusion in my posts between facts and opininated statements.

    Since no one knows what happened other than Zimmerman (he killed the other witness), we ALL are forming opinions on what happened that night. Everything you say is an opinion even when you call out others for not stating facts. The only FACT we really know of is the day the killing happened, the address of the killing and who pulled the trigger.

    You point to Martin's past and show that Zimmerman had the right to follow, I counter he didn't KNOW that at the time.

    You say you don't want Martin in the neighborhood. Try telling that to Martin's dad who lives there. Martin had as much right to be there as Zimmerman.

    On the drugs thing, but I'm not sure you've tried pot before. If anything pot makes you stay home and eat ALOT, not cause a disturbance outside. The only role Pot may have played in this case was Martin being paranoid someone was following him. (Turns out he was right. Just becuase I'm paranoid, don't mean they're not after you. 8-) )

    Lastly the reason my opinon on the man matters is that is all I have to go on. I think he's overzealous on looking out for the neighborhood. (The example I showed of him calling the cops on children TWICE but this is still an opinion) and that overzealousness led to the killing of an unarmed Teenager (I guess this is an opinion but I believe this strongly). Unless Martin was a licenced fighter he's considered unarmed in a street fight. (I'm calling it a fight becuase there is no evidence Martin attacked unprovoked other than Zimmerman's word. Which I've established means nothing to me.) I don't care how strong he is etc...Zimmerman could have gotten out of that situation (IMO) without a death.

    That's pretty much it.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    The more I think about this the more I get pissed off.

    I do still wonder if Zimmerman was stereotyping a "gangsta" looking kid, or if it was simply a race thing. I tend to think it was more the gangsta and wouldn't have mattered if the kid was white, but we will never know.

    But regardless, if he would have just stayed in his house we'd all be better off.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    But regardless, if he would have just stayed in his house we'd all be better off.

    My guess is, at least from here out, he will be hiding in his house for a long time to come.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    The more I think about this the more I get pissed off.

    I do still wonder if Zimmerman was stereotyping a "gangsta" looking kid, or if it was simply a race thing. I tend to think it was more the gangsta and wouldn't have mattered if the kid was white, but we will never know.

    But regardless, if he would have just stayed in his house we'd all be better off.
    So... That's your conclusion, avoid any confrontation or suspicious activity going on in your neighborhood?
    So I guess when my kids and neighbors kids are playing outside and a unmarked van pulls up selling candy or ice cream,
    I should just stay in my house and peek out the window,
    My kids would be better off in that scenario right?
    People need to be able to exercise judgement, now whether Zimmermans judgement wasn't the best that night or not, does not give him the right to give up his right to self defense.
  • offigooffigo Posts: 81
    Karma is a bitch. He can be considered innocent by the court but it always gets you in the end. OJ lives a great life now, so does Casey Anthony. His life will never be ok, and personally that makes me very happy.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    oh, i am sorry. i did not know that trayvon martin was on trial for his own murder. :oops:

    when does the victim's facebook come into play? it was not admitted into evidence, so how can that even be relevant to the events of that night? did his alleged attempt to get sizzrup have anything to do with him being profiled, followed, confronted, and shot in the heart? i didn't think so. those events happened because he was a strange black kid walking in a gated community. that is the only reason those events happened. it has nothing to do with him posting about guns and stuff. fact is, he had no gun on his person, and the person that did have one used it to take the life of a teenager. these are facts. i am not making them up.

    blockhead, was there evidence at his dad's house about sizzrup? was there??

    i know what makes good ecstasy. i have never made it, but i know the ingredients. does that make me guilty of anything? am i now legally a target of a vigilante?

    and thank you for instructing me how to post, but i think i am doing ok posting the way i post. i don't tell you not to post as a hateful, condescending person. i can handle reading your posts, so you can deal with my posts i think.

    this whole thing about sizzrup and making a story out of that IS playing on stereotypes of young african americans. it is diverting attention from the whole point that the stand your ground laws are fucked up. this is 2013, not the old west.

    and what you all are doing, assassinating trayvon's character long after death, is very unfair. he lost his life. you can't leave it at that? you want to bash him and his family now still?? haven't they suffered enough?

    you can attack me all you want. you are on the wrong side of this, and the feds are gonna try to prove that. you never once referred to this as a tragedy. any time a teenager is shot to death it is a tragedy.


    Blockhead wrote:
    and to blow your "NO" evidence claim.
    1. According to Trayvon Martin's own Facebook posts he had been using "lean" since at least June 2011.
    2. June 27th 2011, Martin asks friend via Facebook "unow a connect for codien"
    3. He tells his friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean". "I had it before" and wants "to make some more"

    Next time you want to debate/discuss a case, especially one of this magnitude, you might want to know the actual facts, not just read whatever biased headlines "your news" feeds you. And quite attacking posters claiming their "spreading bullshit stereotypical nonsense."
    I wish people like you didn't blindly following your political side on every subject.

    Instead of discussing/debating this trial/case from your own formed opinion and forming your own conclusions you just "stuck" to your political side and let them do all the talking for you. And now look at how much you an idiot you look like by saying the things you do, when the evidence is so easily available if you actually did the research.
    This is direct not only to you but several posters in this thread.

    according to the laws of Florida zimmerman was found not guilty and havn't people been arrested because of the info thay stupidly posted on facebook ?
    I don't understand the DOJ attempting all these back door trick to attack zimmerman after he was found not guilty.

    Godfather.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    Blockhead wrote:
    The more I think about this the more I get pissed off.

    I do still wonder if Zimmerman was stereotyping a "gangsta" looking kid, or if it was simply a race thing. I tend to think it was more the gangsta and wouldn't have mattered if the kid was white, but we will never know.

    But regardless, if he would have just stayed in his house we'd all be better off.
    So... That's your conclusion, avoid any confrontation or suspicious activity going on in your neighborhood?
    So I guess when my kids and neighbors kids are playing outside and a unmarked van pulls up selling candy or ice cream,
    I should just stay in my house and peek out the window,
    My kids would be better off in that scenario right?
    People need to be able to exercise judgement, now whether Zimmermans judgement wasn't the best that night or not, does not give him the right to give up his right to self defense.

    When someone is just suspicious and not doing anything wrong and you are not a police officer...then yes, don't start a confrontation.

    How about you go get your kids, call the police, and let them handle the suspicious van?

    You could also start by not making stupid comparisons.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    why is this case so special compared to other cases like it ?......no I'm not baiting.


    Godfather.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    When someone is just suspicious and not doing anything wrong and you are not a police officer...then yes, don't start a confrontation.

    How about you go get your kids, call the police, and let them handle the suspicious van?

    You could also start by not making stupid comparisons.
    Stupid comparisons... I think that was you comparing the stand your ground law to self defense a few pages back... :lol:

    Anyways, I am well within my right to ask someone what they are up to in my neighborhood that I know don't belong their or are acting suspicious. Especially if the crime has been rising in the neighborhood.

    I am sure according to you and most other posters, just the action of me walking "towards" the van to get my kids would be construed as "stalking" "confronting" "being aggressive". Am I doing it right???

    You might want to do some actual research about some of the things Zimmerman did for his neighbors to ensure their safety after crimes that happened in the neighborhood.

    You can't go through life being a pussy... There is nothing wrong asking someone a simple question, its not against the law, its not bad judgement,
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    Godfather. wrote:
    why is this case so special compared to other cases like it ?......no I'm not baiting.


    Godfather.
    The obvious answer is that Its against the law to defend your self from a black 17 year old.
    Zimmerman broke that law and got off...
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,693
    ajedigecko wrote:
    cp3iverson wrote:
    In Houston a grandmother was rushing her grandchild to the emergency room and her car was blocked by a Trayvon protest that was refusing to let traffic through. When she pleaded to be let through she was beaten. They also thought it would be clever to block an ambulance that was trying to rush through.

    So much for peaceful protests. The cause is lost when you do stupid shit like that. If I was ever put in that unfortunate position i would have no problem hitting the gas.

    Crap...i just read this also.

    I already believe her grandchild is more valuable than the savage things.

    All she did was roll the window down and attempt to reason with them.

    yup. it's ridiculous. they would not come between me and the hospital that's for sure. and i hope any parent would floor it through that crowd.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Blockhead wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    why is this case so special compared to other cases like it ?......no I'm not baiting.


    Godfather.
    The obvious answer is that Its against the law to defend your self from a black 17 year old.
    Zimmerman broke that law and got off...

    ahhhh I get it, thank you.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    why is this case so special compared to other cases like it ?......no I'm not baiting.


    Godfather.
    The obvious answer is that Its against the law to defend your self from a black 17 year old.
    Zimmerman broke that law and got off...

    ahhhh I get it, thank you.

    Godfather.

    just a thought, is legal to defend your self from a white 17 year old ? or an Asian 17 year old or maybe a Mexican 17 year old ?


    Godfather.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    Godfather. wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    The obvious answer is that Its against the law to defend your self from a black 17 year old.
    Zimmerman broke that law and got off...

    ahhhh I get it, thank you.

    Godfather.

    just a thought, is legal to defend your self from a white 17 year old ? or an Asian 17 year old or maybe a Mexican 17 year old ?


    Godfather.
    however as a 17 year old you bet your life and lose when defending yourself from a bigger, heavier man.
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  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    Godfather. wrote:
    why is this case so special compared to other cases like it ?......no I'm not baiting.


    Godfather.


    The media found a case that allowed them to construct a racial narrative in order to get people interested and watch their stations. I'm really sick of it. Even now almost a week after the verdict it still seems like that is all the media is talking about.
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  • Let's not forget unarmed 17 year old. Since he's not a UFC fighter Martin's fists are not considered lethal weapons. ;)

    I don't know why it was mentioned he was black??? :nono: That's the least interesting thing about this case. Although if you pinned me to it if Zimmerman was black and Martin white I feel like Zimmerman would be in jail.

    But that is not really relevant to this case and more just a feeling I have.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    Blockhead wrote:
    You can't go through life being a pussy...

    Ooooh, now I get it! Some of us are scared of being called a pussy for letting the proper authorities do their jobs. :fp:
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  • How can you kill somebody and not have one charge stick?

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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    edited July 2013
    polaris_x wrote:
    this story is about race ...

    it doesn't mean that zimmerman was a racist ... it's a story about race because:

    * would there have been an earlier arrest if martin was white
    * would there have been as much media attention if martin was white
    * would there be the outrage by members of the community/public if martin was white
    * would sharpton/obama/jackson have gotten involved if martin was white

    ultimately, as i have been saying for a while, issues of race have not been resolved in the american public ... the belief that is has been is only denial ... race plays a significant role in the daily happenings in america (and the rest of the world for that matter) ... amongst a myriad of issues ... this case is a story about what it means to be a young black male in america ...


    I wonder ...
    * would there have been an earlier arrest if Zimmerman was black
    * would there have been as much media attention if Zimmerman was black
    * would there be the outrage by members of the community/public if Zimmerman was black
    * would sharpton/obama/jackson have gotten involved if Zimmerman was black

    Media would never have reported it
    Al and Jessie would not have given a damned
    Obama and Holder would not have given a damned either

    Because all three get off on inciting violence and Hatred by using Black men and women..

    Has anyone heard how Americans (all races) get along with each other from the media or Obama?....

    in real life Americans get along, we work and live side by side......even marry out of our race...

    I am 53 years old and have not seen a race related incident since Middle school....

    Its all propaganda...
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Better Dan wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    why is this case so special compared to other cases like it ?......no I'm not baiting.


    Godfather.


    The media found a case that allowed them to construct a racial narrative in order to get people interested and watch their stations. I'm really sick of it. Even now almost a week after the verdict it still seems like that is all the media is talking about.

    agreed.

    Godfather.
  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    How can you kill somebody and not have one charge stick?


    Because he had injuries and witnesses saw him getting beat up by someone who they believed to be Martin. Prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense or that Zimmerman didn't fear for his safety.

    I was watching CNN the other day and they compared people protesting the Zimmerman verdict to MLK and the civil rights movement. The anchor even said these people were keeping the spirit of MLK alive. The media REALLY wants nothing more than to make this only about race.
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