It's not my job to lock people up. It's not any prosecutor's job to lock people up. It was not my intention to be snooty and if I came across that way, I apologize. I don't take kindly to broad generalizations about me or my profession, especially when I can think of any number of examples to counter what you say. I have never seen The Wire and if you feel comfortable basing a radical critique on our current justice system on a TV show, good for you. I don't.
Again, this discussion is going no where. Good luck.
It may not be the case, but it does appear that way from the outside. A prosecutors job is to get a conviction. And obviously punishment of some kind, usually prison time. The whole way its framed is even suggestive of this.
"the states case" when talking about it. "the state of arkansas against/vs Joe Blow".
And any case we've discussed so far has been about the prosecution putting people in prison no matter what, evidence or not. This leads to the prosecution having an all out mentality, no matter what we will get this guy. It leads to tunnel vision. If your job is to get a conviction, you arent going to be interested in hearing information and evidence that suggests the guy is innocent. Im talking about the cases of peltier, mumia, wm3 and so on[/quote]
I have read some of your posts and I agree with you but with all due respect this is the AMT (a moving train) and most or at least some don't base guilty or not on legal opinion ..to them it's more of a moral issue and if the "law" does not co-inside with their opinion they lash out with meaningless comments that have no legal or moral standing other than to let the other train members know that they are unhappy and disagree with the judgment handed down by a court of law.....and yes I have probably been guilty of the same once or twice
I knew ALL along he would be found not guilty....just wasn't enough evidence for him to be found NG beyond a reasonable doubt besides we are speaking of the state I live in FLORIDA.
Absolutely nothing wrong with protesting....that's to be expected and a right, riots are NOT. I've been on and participated in many protests around DC that were peaceful and I expect the same in all parts of Florida and elsewhere, I believe one of the reasons people were up in arms in the beginning was due to the fact nothing appeared to be done by state officials as in charging Zimmerman for what many at the time felt was a crime. The media got hold of the story and state officials hands were forced to charge Z with something that was going to be difficult to prosecute.
That's why we have the verdict of not guilty.
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mumia and peltier and wm3 lost decades of their life. It looks likely mumia and especially peltier as he's older, will die in prison.
I find it hard to justify sitting on a jury or just merely propping up the justice system with mere words, when stuff like that is a reality.
A family friend active in the peltier case told me she spoke with FBI agents who told her they knew Peltier was innocent and that they were going after him regaurdless.
Im not into being a part of, or really interacting with any system that acts in that manner. Its beyond disturbing.
you are barking up the wrong tree by using Mumia. he is flat out guilty. not one sane person in the Philadelphia area believes other wise. all the bs rhetoric doesn't dispute the facts but carry on with the delusion.
this case proves our justice system does in fact work. instead of relying on public outcry and a lynch mob mentality the American court system forced evidence to be displayed in a court of law and a jury to weigh the evidence and give a verdict. the prosecution surely didn't prove their case.
mumia and peltier and wm3 lost decades of their life. It looks likely mumia and especially peltier as he's older, will die in prison.
I find it hard to justify sitting on a jury or just merely propping up the justice system with mere words, when stuff like that is a reality.
A family friend active in the peltier case told me she spoke with FBI agents who told her they knew Peltier was innocent and that they were going after him regaurdless.
Im not into being a part of, or really interacting with any system that acts in that manner. Its beyond disturbing.
you are barking up the wrong tree by using Mumia. he is flat out guilty. not one sane person in the Philadelphia area believes other wise. all the bs rhetoric doesn't dispute the facts but carry on with the delusion.
this case proves our justice system does in fact work. instead of relying on public outcry and a lynch mob mentality the American court system forced evidence to be displayed in a court of law and a jury to weigh the evidence and give a verdict. the prosecution surely didn't prove their case.
So i assume you talked to the MOVE activists right, then? Ive personally met Mario Afrika. He and his family believe in mumia's innocence. Anyone who thinks the philly PD isnt a bunch of racist pigs, dont know what they are talking about.
to add onto the descriptions of prison in terms of their inherent inhumanity. What about the fact that death row inmates arent allowed to touch or hug or kiss their loved ones. They talk to them via telephone, a glass window seperating them. That is beyond absurd. That alone to me is all the reason I need to say prisons are worthless.
If it was about rehab and reconciliation and coming to terms with what you did, things like that wouldnt be the reality.
But it comes at it from the perspective that the justice system usually gets it right
well, in this case, the justice system did get it right. there was no way to convict this guy beyond a reasonable doubt. there was a whole heap of reasonable doubt. did he murder Trayvon? Probably.
but the justice system can't convict on "probably".
But it comes at it from the perspective that the justice system usually gets it right
well, in this case, the justice system did get it right. there was no way to convict this guy beyond a reasonable doubt. there was a whole heap of reasonable doubt. did he murder Trayvon? Probably.
but the justice system can't convict on "probably".
And why he should have gotten manslaughter.
was the jury given the option to convict on a lesser charge?
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One of my best friends is a philadelphia police officer, my finances sisters long term boyfriend is a philly cop, I know a about a dozen other cops, all very good people.
Love how this motherfucker talks shit about racism and stereotypes them lumps all cops together.
But it comes at it from the perspective that the justice system usually gets it right
well, in this case, the justice system did get it right. there was no way to convict this guy beyond a reasonable doubt. there was a whole heap of reasonable doubt. did he murder Trayvon? Probably.
but the justice system can't convict on "probably".
And why he should have gotten manslaughter.
even if manslaughter was an option, they didn't have enough damning evidence to convict. reckless endangerment causing death or something, maybe, but not manslaughter.
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you are barking up the wrong tree by using Mumia. he is flat out guilty. not one sane person in the Philadelphia area believes other wise. all the bs rhetoric doesn't dispute the facts but carry on with the delusion.
this case proves our justice system does in fact work. instead of relying on public outcry and a lynch mob mentality the American court system forced evidence to be displayed in a court of law and a jury to weigh the evidence and give a verdict. the prosecution surely didn't prove their case.
Ridiculous. The Mumia Abu-Jamal case was a sham from start to finish. He is clearly innocent and was railroaded into jail by a corrupt justice system.
Open season on black boys after a verdict like this
Calls for calm after George Zimmerman was acquitted of murdering Trayvon Martin are empty words for black families
Gary Younge in Chicago
The Guardian, Sunday 14 July 2013
Let it be noted that on this day, Saturday 13 July 2013, it was still deemed legal in the US to chase and then shoot dead an unarmed young black man on his way home from the store because you didn't like the look of him.
The killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year was tragic. But in the age of Obama the acquittal of George Zimmerman offers at least that clarity. For the salient facts in this case were not in dispute. On 26 February 2012 Martin was on his way home, minding his own business armed only with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. Zimmerman pursued him, armed with a 9mm handgun, believing him to be a criminal. Martin resisted. They fought. Zimmerman shot him dead.
Who screamed. Who was stronger. Who called whom what and when and why are all details to warm the heart of a cable news producer with 24 hours to fill. Strip them all away and the truth remains that Martin's heart would still be beating if Zimmerman had not chased him down and shot him.
There is no doubt about who the aggressor was here. It appears that the only reason the two interacted at all, physically or otherwise, is that Zimmerman believed it was his civic duty to apprehend an innocent teenager who caused suspicion by his existence alone.
Appeals for calm in the wake of such a verdict raise the question of what calm there can possibly be in a place where such a verdict is possible. Parents of black boys are not likely to feel calm. Partners of black men are not likely to feel calm. Children with black fathers are not likely to feel calm. Those who now fear violent social disorder must ask themselves whose interests are served by a violent social order in which young black men can be thus slain and discarded.
But while the acquittal was shameful it was not a shock. It took more than six weeks after Martin's death for Zimmerman to be arrested and only then after massive pressure both nationally and locally. Those who dismissed this as a political trial (a peculiar accusation in the summer of Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden) should bear in mind that it was politics that made this case controversial.
Charging Zimmerman should have been a no-brainer. He was not initially charged because Florida has a "stand your ground" law whereby deadly force is permitted if the person "reasonably believes" it is necessary to protect their own life, the life of another or to prevent a forcible felony.
Since it was Zimmerman who stalked Martin, the question remains: what ground is a young black man entitled to and on what grounds may he defend himself? What version of events is there for that night in which Martin gets away with his life? Or is it open season on black boys after dark?
Zimmerman's not guilty verdict will be contested for years to come. But he passed judgement on Trayvon that night summarily.
"Fucking punks," Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that night. "These assholes. They always get away."
So true it's painful. And so predictable it hurts.
One of my best friends is a philadelphia police officer, my finances sisters long term boyfriend is a philly cop, I know a about a dozen other cops, all very good people.
Love how this motherfucker talks shit about racism and stereotypes them lumps all cops together.
Grow up, numb nuts.
I see an eight paragraph reply in your future, fella.
To secure a second-degree murder conviction, prosecutors had to convince the jury that Zimmerman acted with a "depraved" state of mind — that is, with ill will, hatred or spite. Prosecutors said he demonstrated that when he muttered, "F
punks. These a
. They always get away" during a call to police as he watched Martin walk through his neighbourhood.
To win a manslaughter conviction, prosecutors had to convince the jury only that Zimmerman killed without lawful justification.
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you are barking up the wrong tree by using Mumia. he is flat out guilty. not one sane person in the Philadelphia area believes other wise.
Actually, many thousands of people believe Mumia Abu-Jamal is innocent, including numerous eye witnesses who stated that they saw another man shoot Daniel Faulkner and flee the scene before Mumia arrived.
to add onto the descriptions of prison in terms of their inherent inhumanity. What about the fact that death row inmates arent allowed to touch or hug or kiss their loved ones. They talk to them via telephone, a glass window seperating them. That is beyond absurd. That alone to me is all the reason I need to say prisons are worthless.
If it was about rehab and reconciliation and coming to terms with what you did, things like that wouldnt be the reality.
Why don't we send these people to a Dominican All-Inclusive? It seems like this might be something you are suggesting.
You might be concerned for shitbaggers that have raped, mutilated and buried children in plastic bags... but others aren't so much. Others don't really care that some freak cannot touch their mother because a glass wall separates them. These others- which you seem to imply are less than you- are more concerned with the fact that the victims of these pricks cannot touch or hug or kiss their loved ones.
Prisons are worthless? I guess so if you're idea of treatment for barbaric, sick, twisted murders of women and children is a country club.
One of my best friends is a philadelphia police officer, my finances sisters long term boyfriend is a philly cop, I know a about a dozen other cops, all very good people.
Love how this motherfucker talks shit about racism and stereotypes them lumps all cops together.
Grow up, numb nuts.
We all come at it from our perspective and life experiences. A poor black kid from the inner city in Philly, the people your very own Roots talk about Black Thought and Quest. Not sure they would be willing to paint the Philly PD as paragons of good.
Im sure your friend knows about that racist Frank Rizzo who's held up as Jesus Christ in his city.
MOVE for example had a bomb dropped on their house, members were killed. One time a member of the group was trampled while pregnant by a police on a horse. She lost the baby.
Things arent black and white my friend. Or they are if you need to meet quota. Cops see blacks as criminals. plain and simple.
Cops are brutal by nature. How can someone walk around with mace, batons, guns, handcuffs tazers and not be going on a power trip and just itching to use that stuff?
One of my best friends is a philadelphia police officer, my finances sisters long term boyfriend is a philly cop, I know a about a dozen other cops, all very good people.
Love how this motherfucker talks shit about racism and stereotypes them lumps all cops together.
Grow up, numb nuts.
We all come at it from our perspective and life experiences. A poor black kid from the inner city in Philly, the people your very own Roots talk about Black Thought and Quest. Not sure they would be willing to paint the Philly PD as paragons of good.
Im sure your friend knows about that racist Frank Rizzo who's held up as Jesus Christ in his city.
MOVE for example had a bomb dropped on their house, members were killed. One time a member of the group was trampled while pregnant by a police on a horse. She lost the baby.
Things arent black and white my friend. Or they are if you need to meet quota. Cops see blacks as criminals. plain and simple.
Cops are brutal by nature. How can someone walk around with mace, batons, guns, handcuffs tazers and not be going on a power trip and just itching to use that stuff?
I have to think that you are joking with such an ignorant statement.
I have to think that you are joking with such an ignorant statement.
miml78 is prone to hyperbole.
that said, I think a miscarriage of justice happened.
If I had known then what I know now...
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You must not get out much. Whole social justice movements have formed reguarding prisoner treatment, prison abolition, and judicial system critiques.
Im not into treating people like that. Im against Gitmo too. I was against the US killing Bin Laden, which was a war crime, I dont believe the U.S. should torture or treat anyone, suspected terrorist, known terrorist, murderer, or accused murderer they way you describe.
Violence is absurd. We turn into the terrorists ourselves when we do it. Im sorry but you have lost the plot if you dont think prisoners should be aloud to hug their family members. Id have a hard time being friends with anyone who said something like you are suggesting. 23 hours in a cell. thats inhumane.
I heard a while back that Amnesty regarded the Philadelphia police force as the most corrupt and racist in the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Distr ... on_scandal The 39th District corruption scandal refers to a persistent pattern of brutality and corruption among a cadre of Philadelphia Police Department (PPD) officers, primarily from the department's 39th District, that emerged in late 1995 and received nationwide attention by 1997, eventually resulting in an investigation by Human Rights Watch.
Many hundreds of people were involved in the epidemic of abuses that gripped North Philadelphia in the early 1990s; some are notable due to their direct participation, others for their participation in other notable events, particularly the extended legal proceedings related to the conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal in the murder of Officer Daniel Faulkner.
One of my best friends is a philadelphia police officer, my finances sisters long term boyfriend is a philly cop, I know a about a dozen other cops, all very good people.
Love how this motherfucker talks shit about racism and stereotypes them lumps all cops together.
Grow up, numb nuts.
We all come at it from our perspective and life experiences. A poor black kid from the inner city in Philly, the people your very own Roots talk about Black Thought and Quest. Not sure they would be willing to paint the Philly PD as paragons of good.
Im sure your friend knows about that racist Frank Rizzo who's held up as Jesus Christ in his city.
MOVE for example had a bomb dropped on their house, members were killed. One time a member of the group was trampled while pregnant by a police on a horse. She lost the baby.
Things arent black and white my friend. Or they are if you need to meet quota. Cops see blacks as criminals. plain and simple.
Cops are brutal by nature. How can someone walk around with mace, batons, guns, handcuffs tazers and not be going on a power trip and just itching to use that stuff?
I have to think that you are joking with such an ignorant statement.
Hate to break it to you but not everyone views the police as protecting and serving. You ever heard Vs?
How could you come to any other conclusion watching King being beaten.
Its indesputible cops have quotas. They plant evidence. And they get a piece of the drug money. You can live in pollyanna world or you can live in reality.
If im a black man and I get pulled over, for anything, I can guarantee you im going to be terrified. I would make deliberate movements, Id keep a bible on the windshield and Id keep my arms firmly planted on the steering wheel.
Somehow police that rape a black man with a broomstick, and shoot an unarmed man 41 times because they are imbeciles and believe a wallet is a gun.
Or the King case. pigs beating a man on the ground, 33 plus times.
Sorry, im not seeing the hero part of that. The cops in all those cases are worthless.
Police culture is an old boys network. Men. and white. Look at what happened at the OJ trial. Not only did the LAPD pay salary to a racist like Fuhrmann, they were so immune to it, they thought nothing of it allowing him obtain "the evidence" and act as the star witness on the stand. Its engrained in the culture and the system.
The police arent into dealing with their own problems publicly. They believe in the thin blue line. Things are handled internally. Quietly, if at all. So if they find out a cop beat some black guy senseless, the natural response for them is to "deal" with it internally.
Had the King beating never been filmed, would the LAPD have been under fire? Would riots have happened? What would the police have told the public or Kings family? Would they have admitted the truth?
Hate to break it to you but not everyone views the police as protecting and serving. You ever heard Vs?
How could you come to any other conclusion watching King being beaten.
Its indesputible cops have quotas. They plant evidence. And they get a piece of the drug money. You can live in pollyanna world or you can live in reality.
If im a black man and I get pulled over, for anything, I can guarantee you im going to be terrified. I would make deliberate movements, Id keep a bible on the windshield and Id keep my arms firmly planted on the steering wheel.
Somehow police that rape a black man with a broomstick, and shoot an unarmed man 41 times because they are imbeciles and believe a wallet is a gun.
Or the King case. pigs beating a man on the ground, 33 plus times.
Sorry, im not seeing the hero part of that. The cops in all those cases are worthless.
Police culture is an old boys network. Men. and white. Look at what happened at the OJ trial. Not only did the LAPD pay salary to a racist like Fuhrmann, they were so immune to it, they thought nothing of it allowing him obtain "the evidence" and act as the star witness on the stand. Its engrained in the culture and the system.
The police arent into dealing with their own problems publicly. They believe in the thin blue line. Things are handled internally. Quietly, if at all. So if they find out a cop beat some black guy senseless, the natural response for them is to "deal" with it internally.
Had the King beating never been filmed, would the LAPD have been under fire? Would riots have happened? What would the police have told the public or Kings family? Would they have admitted the truth?
too much Spike Lee for this guy.
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Hate to break it to you but not everyone views the police as protecting and serving. You ever heard Vs?
How could you come to any other conclusion watching King being beaten.
Its indesputible cops have quotas. They plant evidence. And they get a piece of the drug money. You can live in pollyanna world or you can live in reality.
If im a black man and I get pulled over, for anything, I can guarantee you im going to be terrified. I would make deliberate movements, Id keep a bible on the windshield and Id keep my arms firmly planted on the steering wheel.
Somehow police that rape a black man with a broomstick, and shoot an unarmed man 41 times because they are imbeciles and believe a wallet is a gun.
Or the King case. pigs beating a man on the ground, 33 plus times.
Sorry, im not seeing the hero part of that. The cops in all those cases are worthless.
Police culture is an old boys network. Men. and white. Look at what happened at the OJ trial. Not only did the LAPD pay salary to a racist like Fuhrmann, they were so immune to it, they thought nothing of it allowing him obtain "the evidence" and act as the star witness on the stand. Its engrained in the culture and the system.
The police arent into dealing with their own problems publicly. They believe in the thin blue line. Things are handled internally. Quietly, if at all. So if they find out a cop beat some black guy senseless, the natural response for them is to "deal" with it internally.
Had the King beating never been filmed, would the LAPD have been under fire? Would riots have happened? What would the police have told the public or Kings family? Would they have admitted the truth?
too much Spike Lee for this guy.
Nah I just dwell in a world where things like that are real and should be punishable. Police should be held to the same standard as Joe Blow, probably an even higher standard.
I dont know about you but Im not interested in being friendly with people who rape others with broomsticks. Thats not really in my makeup.
You can side with the pigs who shoot an unarmed black man because his wallet looks like a gun. I dont consider those type of people worthy human beings.
Again, you listened to WMA at all? You read the liner notes for Malice Green? You paid attention to the zilllions of police brutality cases in the last decade?
Police are brutal by nature. Thats how they deal with people. Anyone who has attended a protest can attest to this.
Who'd support a beast that brutalizes, rapes, plants evidence, tazes, shoots, and murders innocent people?
Ive got other idols and heroes thank you very much.
Pigs in blue who refer to blacks as the n word arent among that group!
I heard a while back that Amnesty regarded the Philadelphia police force as the most corrupt and racist in the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Distr ... on_scandal The 39th District corruption scandal refers to a persistent pattern of brutality and corruption among a cadre of Philadelphia Police Department (PPD) officers, primarily from the department's 39th District, that emerged in late 1995 and received nationwide attention by 1997, eventually resulting in an investigation by Human Rights Watch.
Many hundreds of people were involved in the epidemic of abuses that gripped North Philadelphia in the early 1990s; some are notable due to their direct participation, others for their participation in other notable events, particularly the extended legal proceedings related to the conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal in the murder of Officer Daniel Faulkner.
Exactly, the news around 2002 or so, that was a big deal was the Philly pigs coming out and saying "we have the cleanest record in terms of police brutality in the nation, not one cop has been convicted of it".
Then the next question was asked, "But how many complaints and lawsuits and allegations of abuse and brutality were there?"
And the pig goes, "oh thousands and thousands...but those are just allegations and complaints".
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Tells you all you need to know about how police deal with misconduct and criminal behavior among the ranks.
I heard a while back that Amnesty regarded the Philadelphia police force as the most corrupt and racist in the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39th_Distr ... on_scandal The 39th District corruption scandal refers to a persistent pattern of brutality and corruption among a cadre of Philadelphia Police Department (PPD) officers, primarily from the department's 39th District, that emerged in late 1995 and received nationwide attention by 1997, eventually resulting in an investigation by Human Rights Watch.
Many hundreds of people were involved in the epidemic of abuses that gripped North Philadelphia in the early 1990s; some are notable due to their direct participation, others for their participation in other notable events, particularly the extended legal proceedings related to the conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal in the murder of Officer Daniel Faulkner.
Exactly, the news around 2002 or so, that was a big deal was the Philly pigs coming out and saying "we have the cleanest record in terms of police brutality in the nation, not one cop has been convicted of it".
Then the next question was asked, "But how many complaints and lawsuits and allegations of abuse and brutality were there?"
And the pig goes, "oh thousands and thousands...but those are just allegations and complaints".
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Tells you all you need to know about how police deal with misconduct and criminal behavior among the ranks.
While you categorically describe police officers as pigs... can you please tell us the admirable profession with which you earn your money to pay 10C fees? Is it beyond reproach? I'm sure it must be. Please share.
I read that the Philly pigs were caught robbing drug dealers, and even robbing and beating up innocent civilians and throwing them in jail if they complained.
Then again, maybe I've just seen too many Spike Lee movies?
I read that the Philly pigs were caught robbing drug dealers, and even robbing and beating up innocent civilians and throwing them in jail if they complained.
Then again, maybe I've just seen too many Spike Lee movies?
Geezuz Byrnzie... don't rile people up too much. Pretty soon they'll start on the teachers and paint us with a big broad brush as well. Have you read some of the sick school teacher headlines lately?
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It may not be the case, but it does appear that way from the outside. A prosecutors job is to get a conviction. And obviously punishment of some kind, usually prison time. The whole way its framed is even suggestive of this.
"the states case" when talking about it. "the state of arkansas against/vs Joe Blow".
And any case we've discussed so far has been about the prosecution putting people in prison no matter what, evidence or not. This leads to the prosecution having an all out mentality, no matter what we will get this guy. It leads to tunnel vision. If your job is to get a conviction, you arent going to be interested in hearing information and evidence that suggests the guy is innocent. Im talking about the cases of peltier, mumia, wm3 and so on[/quote]
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I have read some of your posts and I agree with you but with all due respect this is the AMT (a moving train) and most or at least some don't base guilty or not on legal opinion ..to them it's more of a moral issue and if the "law" does not co-inside with their opinion they lash out with meaningless comments that have no legal or moral standing other than to let the other train members know that they are unhappy and disagree with the judgment handed down by a court of law.....and yes I have probably been guilty of the same once or twice
Godfather.
Absolutely nothing wrong with protesting....that's to be expected and a right, riots are NOT. I've been on and participated in many protests around DC that were peaceful and I expect the same in all parts of Florida and elsewhere, I believe one of the reasons people were up in arms in the beginning was due to the fact nothing appeared to be done by state officials as in charging Zimmerman for what many at the time felt was a crime. The media got hold of the story and state officials hands were forced to charge Z with something that was going to be difficult to prosecute.
That's why we have the verdict of not guilty.
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you are barking up the wrong tree by using Mumia. he is flat out guilty. not one sane person in the Philadelphia area believes other wise. all the bs rhetoric doesn't dispute the facts but carry on with the delusion.
this case proves our justice system does in fact work. instead of relying on public outcry and a lynch mob mentality the American court system forced evidence to be displayed in a court of law and a jury to weigh the evidence and give a verdict. the prosecution surely didn't prove their case.
So i assume you talked to the MOVE activists right, then? Ive personally met Mario Afrika. He and his family believe in mumia's innocence. Anyone who thinks the philly PD isnt a bunch of racist pigs, dont know what they are talking about.
If it was about rehab and reconciliation and coming to terms with what you did, things like that wouldnt be the reality.
was the jury given the option to convict on a lesser charge?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Love how this motherfucker talks shit about racism and stereotypes them lumps all cops together.
Grow up, numb nuts.
even if manslaughter was an option, they didn't have enough damning evidence to convict. reckless endangerment causing death or something, maybe, but not manslaughter.
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Ridiculous. The Mumia Abu-Jamal case was a sham from start to finish. He is clearly innocent and was railroaded into jail by a corrupt justice system.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ys-verdict
Open season on black boys after a verdict like this
Calls for calm after George Zimmerman was acquitted of murdering Trayvon Martin are empty words for black families
Gary Younge in Chicago
The Guardian, Sunday 14 July 2013
Let it be noted that on this day, Saturday 13 July 2013, it was still deemed legal in the US to chase and then shoot dead an unarmed young black man on his way home from the store because you didn't like the look of him.
The killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year was tragic. But in the age of Obama the acquittal of George Zimmerman offers at least that clarity. For the salient facts in this case were not in dispute. On 26 February 2012 Martin was on his way home, minding his own business armed only with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. Zimmerman pursued him, armed with a 9mm handgun, believing him to be a criminal. Martin resisted. They fought. Zimmerman shot him dead.
Who screamed. Who was stronger. Who called whom what and when and why are all details to warm the heart of a cable news producer with 24 hours to fill. Strip them all away and the truth remains that Martin's heart would still be beating if Zimmerman had not chased him down and shot him.
There is no doubt about who the aggressor was here. It appears that the only reason the two interacted at all, physically or otherwise, is that Zimmerman believed it was his civic duty to apprehend an innocent teenager who caused suspicion by his existence alone.
Appeals for calm in the wake of such a verdict raise the question of what calm there can possibly be in a place where such a verdict is possible. Parents of black boys are not likely to feel calm. Partners of black men are not likely to feel calm. Children with black fathers are not likely to feel calm. Those who now fear violent social disorder must ask themselves whose interests are served by a violent social order in which young black men can be thus slain and discarded.
But while the acquittal was shameful it was not a shock. It took more than six weeks after Martin's death for Zimmerman to be arrested and only then after massive pressure both nationally and locally. Those who dismissed this as a political trial (a peculiar accusation in the summer of Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden) should bear in mind that it was politics that made this case controversial.
Charging Zimmerman should have been a no-brainer. He was not initially charged because Florida has a "stand your ground" law whereby deadly force is permitted if the person "reasonably believes" it is necessary to protect their own life, the life of another or to prevent a forcible felony.
Since it was Zimmerman who stalked Martin, the question remains: what ground is a young black man entitled to and on what grounds may he defend himself? What version of events is there for that night in which Martin gets away with his life? Or is it open season on black boys after dark?
Zimmerman's not guilty verdict will be contested for years to come. But he passed judgement on Trayvon that night summarily.
"Fucking punks," Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that night. "These assholes. They always get away."
So true it's painful. And so predictable it hurts.
I see an eight paragraph reply in your future, fella.
punks. These a
. They always get away" during a call to police as he watched Martin walk through his neighbourhood.
To win a manslaughter conviction, prosecutors had to convince the jury only that Zimmerman killed without lawful justification.
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Actually, many thousands of people believe Mumia Abu-Jamal is innocent, including numerous eye witnesses who stated that they saw another man shoot Daniel Faulkner and flee the scene before Mumia arrived.
Why don't we send these people to a Dominican All-Inclusive? It seems like this might be something you are suggesting.
You might be concerned for shitbaggers that have raped, mutilated and buried children in plastic bags... but others aren't so much. Others don't really care that some freak cannot touch their mother because a glass wall separates them. These others- which you seem to imply are less than you- are more concerned with the fact that the victims of these pricks cannot touch or hug or kiss their loved ones.
Prisons are worthless? I guess so if you're idea of treatment for barbaric, sick, twisted murders of women and children is a country club.
We all come at it from our perspective and life experiences. A poor black kid from the inner city in Philly, the people your very own Roots talk about Black Thought and Quest. Not sure they would be willing to paint the Philly PD as paragons of good.
Im sure your friend knows about that racist Frank Rizzo who's held up as Jesus Christ in his city.
MOVE for example had a bomb dropped on their house, members were killed. One time a member of the group was trampled while pregnant by a police on a horse. She lost the baby.
Things arent black and white my friend. Or they are if you need to meet quota. Cops see blacks as criminals. plain and simple.
Cops are brutal by nature. How can someone walk around with mace, batons, guns, handcuffs tazers and not be going on a power trip and just itching to use that stuff?
I have to think that you are joking with such an ignorant statement.
miml78 is prone to hyperbole.
that said, I think a miscarriage of justice happened.
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Im not into treating people like that. Im against Gitmo too. I was against the US killing Bin Laden, which was a war crime, I dont believe the U.S. should torture or treat anyone, suspected terrorist, known terrorist, murderer, or accused murderer they way you describe.
Violence is absurd. We turn into the terrorists ourselves when we do it. Im sorry but you have lost the plot if you dont think prisoners should be aloud to hug their family members. Id have a hard time being friends with anyone who said something like you are suggesting. 23 hours in a cell. thats inhumane.
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The 39th District corruption scandal refers to a persistent pattern of brutality and corruption among a cadre of Philadelphia Police Department (PPD) officers, primarily from the department's 39th District, that emerged in late 1995 and received nationwide attention by 1997, eventually resulting in an investigation by Human Rights Watch.
Many hundreds of people were involved in the epidemic of abuses that gripped North Philadelphia in the early 1990s; some are notable due to their direct participation, others for their participation in other notable events, particularly the extended legal proceedings related to the conviction of Mumia Abu-Jamal in the murder of Officer Daniel Faulkner.
Hate to break it to you but not everyone views the police as protecting and serving. You ever heard Vs?
How could you come to any other conclusion watching King being beaten.
Its indesputible cops have quotas. They plant evidence. And they get a piece of the drug money. You can live in pollyanna world or you can live in reality.
If im a black man and I get pulled over, for anything, I can guarantee you im going to be terrified. I would make deliberate movements, Id keep a bible on the windshield and Id keep my arms firmly planted on the steering wheel.
Somehow police that rape a black man with a broomstick, and shoot an unarmed man 41 times because they are imbeciles and believe a wallet is a gun.
Or the King case. pigs beating a man on the ground, 33 plus times.
Sorry, im not seeing the hero part of that. The cops in all those cases are worthless.
Police culture is an old boys network. Men. and white. Look at what happened at the OJ trial. Not only did the LAPD pay salary to a racist like Fuhrmann, they were so immune to it, they thought nothing of it allowing him obtain "the evidence" and act as the star witness on the stand. Its engrained in the culture and the system.
The police arent into dealing with their own problems publicly. They believe in the thin blue line. Things are handled internally. Quietly, if at all. So if they find out a cop beat some black guy senseless, the natural response for them is to "deal" with it internally.
Had the King beating never been filmed, would the LAPD have been under fire? Would riots have happened? What would the police have told the public or Kings family? Would they have admitted the truth?
too much Spike Lee for this guy.
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Nah I just dwell in a world where things like that are real and should be punishable. Police should be held to the same standard as Joe Blow, probably an even higher standard.
I dont know about you but Im not interested in being friendly with people who rape others with broomsticks. Thats not really in my makeup.
You can side with the pigs who shoot an unarmed black man because his wallet looks like a gun. I dont consider those type of people worthy human beings.
Again, you listened to WMA at all? You read the liner notes for Malice Green? You paid attention to the zilllions of police brutality cases in the last decade?
Police are brutal by nature. Thats how they deal with people. Anyone who has attended a protest can attest to this.
Who'd support a beast that brutalizes, rapes, plants evidence, tazes, shoots, and murders innocent people?
Ive got other idols and heroes thank you very much.
Pigs in blue who refer to blacks as the n word arent among that group!
Exactly, the news around 2002 or so, that was a big deal was the Philly pigs coming out and saying "we have the cleanest record in terms of police brutality in the nation, not one cop has been convicted of it".
Then the next question was asked, "But how many complaints and lawsuits and allegations of abuse and brutality were there?"
And the pig goes, "oh thousands and thousands...but those are just allegations and complaints".
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Tells you all you need to know about how police deal with misconduct and criminal behavior among the ranks.
Too much Spike Lee for this guy? Wow! I'd love you to elaborate on this lame comment.
While you categorically describe police officers as pigs... can you please tell us the admirable profession with which you earn your money to pay 10C fees? Is it beyond reproach? I'm sure it must be. Please share.
Then again, maybe I've just seen too many Spike Lee movies?
Geezuz Byrnzie... don't rile people up too much. Pretty soon they'll start on the teachers and paint us with a big broad brush as well. Have you read some of the sick school teacher headlines lately?