Just waiting for this case to be over with. I stopped caring when it turned into a white/black thing.
The jury's decision won't matter to me. Either way one group of idiots will be celebrating. It's really a lose-lose case because of what the media and the ignorant GZ/TM supporters turned it into.
Just waiting for this case to be over with. I stopped caring when it turned into a white/black thing.
The jury's decision won't matter to me. Either way one group of idiots will be celebrating. It's really a lose-lose case because of what the media and the ignorant GZ/TM supporters turned it into.
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The way I see this, there are two arguments -one for manslaughter, one for self-defense. I don't see a way the state can get to 2nd degree and they should've left it alone.
The prosecution:
Trayvon Martin would be alive and in this room, but for the actions of George Zimmerman. G.Z. started the chain of events which led directly to the death of Martin. Had he stopped and walked away at any point before the physical confrontation began, T.M. would still be alive. But G.Z. did not and T.M. is dead.
The defense:
GZ was doing what everyone should do and what we expect everyone in our community to do. Watch out for the neighborhood. It doesn't matter if he was on duty or not, he saw something suspicious and he looked into it. He didn't turn away just b/c "it wasn't his duty." He wanted to make sure everything was OK. Maybe TM was simply on his way to his father's house when GZ first saw him, but when GZ was confronted, TM was the aggressor and GZ found himself fighting for what he thought was his life and he defended himself the only way he could.
Prosecution has a better case on the law, Defense has a better case on the facts and with the story. What will the jury believe?
I thought George Zimmerman would at least get a manslaughter charge, but ultimately not surprised he is not guilty.
Why am I not surprised?
1. Not enough evidence to convict him,
2. It's Florida, the state where Casey Anthony was not guilty for the same reason.
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I thought George Zimmerman would at least get a manslaughter charge, but ultimately not surprised he is not guilty.
Why am I not surprised?
1. Not enough evidence to convict him,
2. It's Florida, the state where Casey Anthony was not guilty for the same reason.
Agree. They didn't have enough to convict him and maybe under current laws he isn't guilty. He is however a profiling asshole that should have taken the assbeating he deserved instead of killing a kid.
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I knew ALL along he would be found not guilty....just wasn't enough evidence for him to be found NG beyond a reasonable doubt besides we are speaking of the state I live in FLORIDA.
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I thought George Zimmerman would at least get a manslaughter charge, but ultimately not surprised he is not guilty.
Why am I not surprised?
1. Not enough evidence to convict him,
2. It's Florida, the state where Casey Anthony was not guilty for the same reason.
Agree. They didn't have enough to convict him and maybe under current laws he isn't guilty. He is however a profiling asshole that should have taken the assbeating he deserved instead of killing a kid.
I thought George Zimmerman would at least get a manslaughter charge, but ultimately not surprised he is not guilty.
Why am I not surprised?
1. Not enough evidence to convict him,
2. It's Florida, the state where Casey Anthony was not guilty for the same reason.
I agree. But I'm still very sad about this. My husband said, "Hey, George Zimmerman gets to carry a gun again." Wow, that makes me feel safe.
I wonder if he will actually continue his neighborhood watch stuff.
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I thought George Zimmerman would at least get a manslaughter charge, but ultimately not surprised he is not guilty.
Why am I not surprised?
1. Not enough evidence to convict him,
2. It's Florida, the state where Casey Anthony was not guilty for the same reason.
I agree. But I'm still very sad about this. My husband said, "Hey, George Zimmerman gets to carry a gun again." Wow, that makes me feel safe.
Not only does he get to carry a gun he gets to carry the same gun he murderd someone with
Merica fuck ya
Makes me sick
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I knew ALL along he would be found not guilty....just wasn't enough evidence for him to be found NG beyond a reasonable doubt besides we are speaking of the state I live in FLORIDA.
Why is everyone so upset? He was acqitted of the charges (forcibly) brought to him by the prosecution. There was no evidence that supports anything but self defense.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
Why is everyone so upset? He was acqitted of the charges (forcibly) brought to him by the prosecution. There was no evidence that supports anything but self defense.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
It may have been self defence if he stayed in his car as the cops told him to,
Why is everyone so upset? He was acqitted of the charges (forcibly) brought to him by the prosecution. There was no evidence that supports anything but self defense.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
Oj was acquitted so court has no credence. This pos stalked someone and consequently shot him. Merika is fked. Justifying this is sick.
Why is everyone so upset? He was acqitted of the charges (forcibly) brought to him by the prosecution. There was no evidence that supports anything but self defense.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
It may have been self defence if he stayed in his car as the cops told him to,
Why is everyone so upset? He was acqitted of the charges (forcibly) brought to him by the prosecution. There was no evidence that supports anything but self defense.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
This. Race issues aside, this one case should not confirm or invalidate any previously held beliefs on guns or self-defense (this case has been a proxy war for those two issues).
And while I think there are definitely questions about whether this was self-defense, the fact remains that the only other person who could tell us what happened...is dead. That was an insurmountable burden, one the State couldn't meet.
Like it or not, this is our system. Charges were leveled, a verdict was reached. The system performed its function.
I agree with the sentiment here. Criminality aside, the fact remains that George Zimmerman, while having a right to bear arms and not convicted of any crimes, may grapple with the question "was it worth it to carry a gun and follow this kid that night?" for the rest of his life. Was it worth to end someone's life and effectively his own?
Do I believe that Zimmerman would be dead if he hadn't killed Martin? Not for a second. But as it stands, he was acquitted by a jury and we should respect the decision, if only because in doing so it reaffirms the process. For those disappointed in the outcome, that can be your silver lining.
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Why is everyone so upset? He was acqitted of the charges (forcibly) brought to him by the prosecution. There was no evidence that supports anything but self defense.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
This. Race issues aside, this one case should not confirm or invalidate any previously held beliefs on guns or self-defense (this case has been a proxy war for those two issues).
And while I think there are definitely questions about whether this was self-defense, the fact remains that the only other person who could tell us what happened...is dead. That was an insurmountable burden, one the State couldn't meet.
Like it or not, this is our system. Charges were leveled, a verdict was reached. The system performed its function.
I agree with the sentiment here. Criminality aside, the fact remains that George Zimmerman, while having a right to bear arms and not convicted of any crimes, may grapple with the question "was it worth it to carry a gun and follow this kid that night?" for the rest of his life. Was it worth to end someone's life and effectively his own?
Do I believe that Zimmerman would be dead if he hadn't killed Martin? Not for a second. But as it stands, he was acquitted by a jury and we should respect the decision, if only because in doing so it reaffirms the process. For those disappointed in the outcome, that can be your silver lining.
haha. respect the process. reaffirm the process. silver lining. Wow. What a joke. You followed the american justice system the last, oh 200 years? You are only fooling yourself. Louima, King, Tim Thomas, Diallo. Gee, I wonder what the process is. Id never serve on a jury in my life if called up. Because id tell them straight up when they interviewed me "I dont believe in the system, its corrupt, racist and classist, and Ive given money to Mumia, Peltier and the WM3".
Why is everyone so upset? He was acqitted of the charges (forcibly) brought to him by the prosecution. There was no evidence that supports anything but self defense.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
This. Race issues aside, this one case should not confirm or invalidate any previously held beliefs on guns or self-defense (this case has been a proxy war for those two issues).
And while I think there are definitely questions about whether this was self-defense, the fact remains that the only other person who could tell us what happened...is dead. That was an insurmountable burden, one the State couldn't meet.
Like it or not, this is our system. Charges were leveled, a verdict was reached. The system performed its function.
I agree with the sentiment here. Criminality aside, the fact remains that George Zimmerman, while having a right to bear arms and not convicted of any crimes, may grapple with the question "was it worth it to carry a gun and follow this kid that night?" for the rest of his life. Was it worth to end someone's life and effectively his own?
Do I believe that Zimmerman would be dead if he hadn't killed Martin? Not for a second. But as it stands, he was acquitted by a jury and we should respect the decision, if only because in doing so it reaffirms the process. For those disappointed in the outcome, that can be your silver lining.
A very good and articulate post, but you both you and Last-12-Exit are asking everyone to do one seemingly simple thing - PUT RACE ASIDE.
And therein lies the problem.
People can't or won't - that very word is driving this whole story. If it's not, then Google "Joshua Heath Chellew" and tell me why THAT story hasn't made so much as a blip on the radar of the national news media.
It's very unfortunate when anyone loses their life in this manner, particularly a young person with their whole life ahead of them, but there are young black men shooting each other on an almost daily basis in the inner cities of America over drugs and money, and overseas, young men in third world countries killing each other over land and religion - yet here's the media sensationalizing a tragedy of this particular nature and whipping everybody into a frenzy over racism and gun control yet again. I didn't follow the case that closely to begin with, so I really don't have an educated opinion of the verdict, but even if George Zimmerman did kill Trayvon Martin out of malicious intent, what scares me more than one guilty person walking free, is that a community of people may use this outcome to riot and defend hateful attitudes and behavior, while others will attempt to use it as a platform to give politicians unconstitutional authority over this country's citizens.
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Why is everyone so upset? He was acqitted of the charges (forcibly) brought to him by the prosecution. There was no evidence that supports anything but self defense.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
This. Race issues aside, this one case should not confirm or invalidate any previously held beliefs on guns or self-defense (this case has been a proxy war for those two issues).
And while I think there are definitely questions about whether this was self-defense, the fact remains that the only other person who could tell us what happened...is dead. That was an insurmountable burden, one the State couldn't meet.
Like it or not, this is our system. Charges were leveled, a verdict was reached. The system performed its function.
I agree with the sentiment here. Criminality aside, the fact remains that George Zimmerman, while having a right to bear arms and not convicted of any crimes, may grapple with the question "was it worth it to carry a gun and follow this kid that night?" for the rest of his life. Was it worth to end someone's life and effectively his own?
Do I believe that Zimmerman would be dead if he hadn't killed Martin? Not for a second. But as it stands, he was acquitted by a jury and we should respect the decision, if only because in doing so it reaffirms the process. For those disappointed in the outcome, that can be your silver lining.
haha. respect the process. reaffirm the process. silver lining. Wow. What a joke. You followed the american justice system the last, oh 200 years? You are only fooling yourself. Louima, King, Tim Thomas, Diallo. Gee, I wonder what the process is. Id never serve on a jury in my life if called up. Because id tell them straight up when they interviewed me "I dont believe in the system, its corrupt, racist and classist, and Ive given money to Mumia, Peltier and the WM3".
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Nah it'll just be like the O.J. verdict. Bunch of people yelling and screaming...but not all that much more.
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The jury's decision won't matter to me. Either way one group of idiots will be celebrating. It's really a lose-lose case because of what the media and the ignorant GZ/TM supporters turned it into.
Pretty much sums up my feelings.
The way I see this, there are two arguments -one for manslaughter, one for self-defense. I don't see a way the state can get to 2nd degree and they should've left it alone.
The prosecution:
Trayvon Martin would be alive and in this room, but for the actions of George Zimmerman. G.Z. started the chain of events which led directly to the death of Martin. Had he stopped and walked away at any point before the physical confrontation began, T.M. would still be alive. But G.Z. did not and T.M. is dead.
The defense:
GZ was doing what everyone should do and what we expect everyone in our community to do. Watch out for the neighborhood. It doesn't matter if he was on duty or not, he saw something suspicious and he looked into it. He didn't turn away just b/c "it wasn't his duty." He wanted to make sure everything was OK. Maybe TM was simply on his way to his father's house when GZ first saw him, but when GZ was confronted, TM was the aggressor and GZ found himself fighting for what he thought was his life and he defended himself the only way he could.
Prosecution has a better case on the law, Defense has a better case on the facts and with the story. What will the jury believe?
Welcome to my life as a Public Defender...
Why am I not surprised?
1. Not enough evidence to convict him,
2. It's Florida, the state where Casey Anthony was not guilty for the same reason.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Agree. They didn't have enough to convict him and maybe under current laws he isn't guilty. He is however a profiling asshole that should have taken the assbeating he deserved instead of killing a kid.
Sorry but there will NO RIOTS!
I knew ALL along he would be found not guilty....just wasn't enough evidence for him to be found NG beyond a reasonable doubt besides we are speaking of the state I live in FLORIDA.
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I agree. But I'm still very sad about this. My husband said, "Hey, George Zimmerman gets to carry a gun again." Wow, that makes me feel safe.
Merica fuck ya
Makes me sick
I agree as well.
I wonder if he will actually continue his neighborhood watch stuff.
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or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
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It is now legal to stalk unarmed people, kill them and call it self defence
So sad... I feel very fortunate to have been born white...
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At least we can move out of Florida, if one chooses, but this quote above just verifies the savage that lives and gets away with murder.
A tragedy did happen. A young man was shot dead. Many things could've happened to prevent this.
1) Zimmerman could have not left his truck
2) Martin didn't have to confront Zimmerman.
Just to name 2.
Please stop naming this a race case. Its simply a self defense case.
He didn't
He murdered a 17 year old instead
And walked free
Disgusted
Agree. 100%.
This. Race issues aside, this one case should not confirm or invalidate any previously held beliefs on guns or self-defense (this case has been a proxy war for those two issues).
And while I think there are definitely questions about whether this was self-defense, the fact remains that the only other person who could tell us what happened...is dead. That was an insurmountable burden, one the State couldn't meet.
Like it or not, this is our system. Charges were leveled, a verdict was reached. The system performed its function.
I agree with the sentiment here. Criminality aside, the fact remains that George Zimmerman, while having a right to bear arms and not convicted of any crimes, may grapple with the question "was it worth it to carry a gun and follow this kid that night?" for the rest of his life. Was it worth to end someone's life and effectively his own?
Do I believe that Zimmerman would be dead if he hadn't killed Martin? Not for a second. But as it stands, he was acquitted by a jury and we should respect the decision, if only because in doing so it reaffirms the process. For those disappointed in the outcome, that can be your silver lining.
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haha. respect the process. reaffirm the process. silver lining. Wow. What a joke. You followed the american justice system the last, oh 200 years? You are only fooling yourself. Louima, King, Tim Thomas, Diallo. Gee, I wonder what the process is. Id never serve on a jury in my life if called up. Because id tell them straight up when they interviewed me "I dont believe in the system, its corrupt, racist and classist, and Ive given money to Mumia, Peltier and the WM3".
A very good and articulate post, but you both you and Last-12-Exit are asking everyone to do one seemingly simple thing - PUT RACE ASIDE.
And therein lies the problem.
People can't or won't - that very word is driving this whole story. If it's not, then Google "Joshua Heath Chellew" and tell me why THAT story hasn't made so much as a blip on the radar of the national news media.
It's very unfortunate when anyone loses their life in this manner, particularly a young person with their whole life ahead of them, but there are young black men shooting each other on an almost daily basis in the inner cities of America over drugs and money, and overseas, young men in third world countries killing each other over land and religion - yet here's the media sensationalizing a tragedy of this particular nature and whipping everybody into a frenzy over racism and gun control yet again. I didn't follow the case that closely to begin with, so I really don't have an educated opinion of the verdict, but even if George Zimmerman did kill Trayvon Martin out of malicious intent, what scares me more than one guilty person walking free, is that a community of people may use this outcome to riot and defend hateful attitudes and behavior, while others will attempt to use it as a platform to give politicians unconstitutional authority over this country's citizens.
yes
Frankly, I see a dead man walking. Someone will contrive a circumstance that puts him in Trayvons position.
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