Trayvon Martin

cincybearcat

goingtoverona wrote:

so basically human deaths are ok if it's by an instrument not designed to kill. very pro life of you. weak argument indeed. hey guys it's ok for people to die as long as it's by some arbitrary object not designed to kill. also, i think there are plenty of gun designers and makers and owners that would resent the accusation that guns are only made to kill, guns are made to fire bullets at a target accurately. they have marksmanship as an event in the olympics. i have had guns for years, never wanted to shoot a person and i don't hunt. i find it fun to shoot at targets, why should i not be allowed to have a gun.

Yeah, cause that is clearly what I said. Jeez, and we wonder why we get politicans that only care about sound bites. Enjoy shooting at targets.

gimmesometruth27

goingtoverona wrote:

so basically human deaths are ok if it's by an instrument not designed to kill. very pro life of you. weak argument indeed. hey guys it's ok for people to die as long as it's by some arbitrary object not designed to kill. also, i think there are plenty of gun designers and makers and owners that would resent the accusation that guns are only made to kill, guns are made to fire bullets at a target accurately. they have marksmanship as an event in the olympics. i have had guns for years, never wanted to shoot a person and i don't hunt. i find it fun to shoot at targets, why should i not be allowed to have a gun.

nobody said you can't have a gun...calm down before you blow out your o-ring...

g under p

You know it'd very creepy listening to those tapes knowing that this kid is going to be shot and killed over nothing. I just don't see where the self defense cry is warranted to use deadly force. just watch and see how this case will turn upside down.

May that teen rest in Peace

Peace

JonnyPistachio

goingtoverona wrote:

so basically human deaths are ok if it's by an instrument not designed to kill. very pro life of you.

Who the heck ever said that? This is why its pointless to discuss it with people with that attitude.

goingtoverona wrote:

i have had guns for years, never wanted to shoot a person and i don't hunt. i find it fun to shoot at targets, why should i not be allowed to have a gun.

I knew some gun advocates would come out of the woodwork and feel threatened...nobody ever said anything about YOU, or about banning guns!

goingtoverona wrote:

and johnny, are you kidding about mexico? my point is that in mexico guns are prohibited...guess what, people still have guns and kill people. how would prohibiting guns here be any different? please explain how in the states it would be different.

No i'm certainly not kidding you, or else I would have used a smiley face of some sort...I thought you were kidding implying that what happens in Mexico could happen in the US...Why not pick a society that mirrors the US a bit more realistically than one that is run by drug cartels and where police are murdered by the dozens?

Sorry, your arguments are just silly to me and I find it funny that this became about you, when clearly a teenager was murdered by a man that shouldnt have had a firearm in the first place. And I hate guns but would never advocate taking them away from law abiding citizens. How I feel about current laws and regulations, background checks, waiting periods, penalties and punishments...now that's another story and completely different thread.

JonnyPistachio

keeponrockin wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

and johnny, are you kidding about mexico? my point is that in mexico guns are prohibited...guess what, people still have guns and kill people. how would prohibiting guns here be any different? please explain how in the states it would be different.

I don't know, look at Canada, who is much more culturally similar to the USA. Gun homocide isn't NEARLY what it is in the United States.

exactly my point about the Mexico association being a bit off.

keeponrockin

JonnyPistachio wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

and johnny, are you kidding about mexico? my point is that in mexico guns are prohibited...guess what, people still have guns and kill people. how would prohibiting guns here be any different? please explain how in the states it would be different.

I don't know, look at Canada, who is much more culturally similar to the USA. Gun homocide isn't NEARLY what it is in the United States.

exactly my point about the Mexico association being a bit off.

We could also look at Europe, Australia, etc..

Most guns in Canada are hunting rifles. Handguns are designed to do nothing other than kill another human.

goingtoverona

cometotx, a similar argument could be made for cars, no one needs a car that can go over 70 mph, no need for them in our society,and people can just grab their food with their hands and eat it, we don't need steak knives in our society either. we don't need tobacco in our society either, all these things we don't need, but they exist. you can put your head in the sand and pretend they don't and hope they go away but they won't. and for what it's worth, to get a fully auto weapon you need a class 3 license which involves getting a signature from your local judge or sheriff. oh and no i can't shoot targets with a bb gun, unless they are 20 feet away or less. or do you know of a bb gun that shoots accurately at 300 yards?

keeponrockin, i don't think you guys have the gangs and drug networks like we do in the states, if that were to change, imo so would gun violence.

and to cincy and gimme, thanks

goingtoverona

that's the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard





[/u] Handguns are designed to do nothing other than kill another human.[/quote]

keeponrockin

goingtoverona wrote:

cometotx, a similar argument could be made for cars, no one needs a car that can go over 70 mph, no need for them in our society,and people can just grab their food with their hands and eat it, we don't need steak knives in our society either. we don't need tobacco in our society either, all these things we don't need, but they exist. you can put your head in the sand and pretend they don't and hope they go away but they won't. and for what it's worth, to get a fully auto weapon you need a class 3 license which involves getting a signature from your local judge or sheriff. oh and no i can't shoot targets with a bb gun, unless they are 20 feet away or less. or do you know of a bb gun that shoots accurately at 300 yards?

keeponrockin, i don't think you guys have the gangs and drug networks like we do in the states, if that were to change, imo so would gun violence.

and to cincy and gimme, thanks

We have gangs (mostly biker) and drug networks (I can walk downtown Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and find whatever I'm looking for) yet we still don't have the violence. This has to be partially due to the lack of available hand guns.

Yes or no question:

Is the world a better place with guns in it?

I could definitely make the argument that transportation and steak makes the world better. Can you say the same for guns?

goingtoverona

oh i don't know, if your conservative government starts racheting up the war on drugs like the states is, then dealers will start to get busted, drug prices will go up, more people will want to sell drugs because of those prices, more people will fight for ther territory to sell those drugs, enter the demand for guns. but only time will tell on that. and yes i feel like the world is a safer place with guns. i would feel unsafe without them.

keeponrockin

goingtoverona wrote:

oh i don't know, if your conservative government starts racheting up the war on drugs like the states is, then dealers will start to get busted, drug prices will go up, more people will want to sell drugs because of those prices, more people will fight for ther territory to sell those drugs, enter the demand for guns. but only time will tell on that. and yes i feel like the world is a safer place with guns. i would feel unsafe without them.

Maybe drug policy needs to be looked at in the USA, but that's another debate.

And fair enough, I just don't understand that mentality. I like the fact I can walk around downtown toronto or montreal (our two biggest cities) at 2 am and feel safe.

goingtoverona

also, let me say i understand most of your points of view. the problem is, i think you people believe that if guns were prohibited across the planet that they would just disappear and no more guns or gun violence and the world doesn't work like that. it's a fictional utopia that will never exist. just like trying to prohibit drugs, it will never work or happen.

gimmesometruth27

goingtoverona wrote:

also, let me say i understand most of your points of view. the problem is, i think you people believe that if guns were prohibited across the planet that they would just disappear and no more guns or gun violence and the world doesn't work like that. it's a fictional utopia that will never exist. just like trying to prohibit drugs, it will never work or happen.

the man in this case should not have had a gun. that is the crux of the issue here.

goingtoverona

that's great, i truly am happy that you feel that way, i hope you and your loved ones are never a victim of a crime and you can always feel that way. personally i know a dude who was kidnapped at knife point, beaten, and tied tied up with his jumper cables while they stole his car, they also contemplated killing him, err at least that's what he overheard. i just don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to protect yourself.

keeponrockin wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

oh i don't know, if your conservative government starts racheting up the war on drugs like the states is, then dealers will start to get busted, drug prices will go up, more people will want to sell drugs because of those prices, more people will fight for ther territory to sell those drugs, enter the demand for guns. but only time will tell on that. and yes i feel like the world is a safer place with guns. i would feel unsafe without them.

Maybe drug policy needs to be looked at in the USA, but that's another debate.

And fair enough, I just don't understand that mentality. I like the fact I can walk around downtown toronto or montreal (our two biggest cities) at 2 am and feel safe.

goingtoverona

ok what scenario do you envision that he would not have had a gun? i mean if guns are legal, he can buy one at any store, if guns are illegal he can buy one on the black market, how can this dumbass not have a gun?

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

also, let me say i understand most of your points of view. the problem is, i think you people believe that if guns were prohibited across the planet that they would just disappear and no more guns or gun violence and the world doesn't work like that. it's a fictional utopia that will never exist. just like trying to prohibit drugs, it will never work or happen.

the man in this case should not have had a gun. that is the crux of the issue here.

goingtoverona

also i wanted to point out that i am in no way shape or form an advocate for zimmerman, imo, bottom line is he hunted the kid down and murdered him, he should be arrested and prosecuted for murder.

gimmesometruth27

goingtoverona wrote:

ok what scenario do you envision that he would not have had a gun? i mean if guns are legal, he can buy one at any store, if guns are illegal he can buy one on the black market, how can this dumbass not have a gun?

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

also, let me say i understand most of your points of view. the problem is, i think you people believe that if guns were prohibited across the planet that they would just disappear and no more guns or gun violence and the world doesn't work like that. it's a fictional utopia that will never exist. just like trying to prohibit drugs, it will never work or happen.

the man in this case should not have had a gun. that is the crux of the issue here.

i am not dealing in hypotheticals here. this is what all of the pro gun people do on this forum. they make up scenarios to justify having the biggest, baddest gun, when in most cases it is not necessary, trying to change ther perspective of the pro gun control people....

i am dealing with the facts in this case. and the fact is that the shooter stalked, hunted down this teenager when flat out told to stand down, and executed him.

goingtoverona

yeah i realize that, but you said he shouldn't have had a gun in the first place, i just want to know how that would be possible.

ComeToTX

goingtoverona wrote:

yeah i realize that, but you said he shouldn't have had a gun in the first place, i just want to know how that would be possible.

He definitely shouldn't have had a fucking Tek 9!

goingtoverona

he had a tek 9? i don't think you're allowed to carry that in public even with a carry conceal.