* unarmed young black male gets accosted by an armed white neighbourhood watch guy who was explicitly told to avoid confrontation
Are you positive on Zimmerman's ethnicity?
dad says he is hispanic ... his picture is hard to tell ... zimmerman doesn't sound very hispanic to me ... either way ... he wasn't black ... and like i tried to tell godfather and cincy ... i don't think racism exists only against black people ...
Florida police are under mounting pressure to arrest a neighbourhood watch captain who shot dead an unarmed teenager following dramatic new evidence from the victim's girlfriend.
The family of Trayvon Martin, 17, say the account from his girlfriend completely contradicts his killer's self-defence claim.
In a dramatic press conference on Tuesday, the Martin family's lawyer Benjamin Crump detailed how the unnamed girl – a minor who was so traumatised by Martin's death she was taken to hospital at his wake – was talking to him on his cell phone in the minutes leading up to his death, and heard the altercation with his killer.
Martin, 17, was shot by Hispanic volunteer watch captain George Zimmerman, who spotted the teenager while patrolling the neighbourhood on a rainy evening in February. Zimmerman, 28, claims he shot the teenager with his licensed 9mm handgun in self-defence during a confrontation.
The failure of local police to arrest Zimmerman in the three weeks since the shooting – and the release of 911 tapes that reveal he followed Martin, despite a warning by a police dispatcher not to – has fuelled a fierce debate on race, vigilante justice and a "stand your ground" law in Florida that allows people to defend themselves using deadly force.
Crump said that during the final phone call with his girlfriend, who was back home in Miami, Martin told her that a stranger was following him, according to an affidavit she recorded. Martin had then tried unsuccessfully to get away from the stranger.
"He says: 'Oh, he's right behind me. He's right behind me again,'" Crump said the girl told him. "She says: 'Run.' He says: 'I'm not going to run, I'm just going to walk fast.'
She then heard Martin saying "Why are you following me" and another voice saying "What are you doing here?" She told Crump they both repeated themselves, and then she thinks she heard Zimmerman push Martin "because his voice changes, like something interrupted his speech." She heard an altercation and then the phone call was cut off, Crump said.
When police arrived a minute later, at 7.17pm, Martin was lying dead in the street.
Before the phone call emerged, there were no witnesses to what happened immediately before the killing, which took place as Martin returned from the local store to the home of his father's girlfriend in a gated community in Sanford, near Orlando.
But now, Crump told reporters, the girl's evidence "connected the dots" on the killing. Phone logs also showed that Martin had been on the phone to the girl throughout his trip to the local store to buy candy and drink, he said, disproving Zimmerman's claim that Martin had been acting suspiciously.
"This claim that Trayvon Martin was the aggressor is preposterous, and it can't be allowed to stand" said Crump. "The dots have all been connected. Arrest George Zimmerman. Arrest him today."
Local police say they did not arrest Zimmerman because there were no witnesses to challenge Zimmerman's claim that he acted in self-defence.
Crump told reporters: "He was just a kid trying to get home from the store and trying to get out of the rain."
Details of the girl's evidence came after the US justice department responded to the national outcry over case by announcing it was launching an investigation into the killing, along with the FBI. Florida authorities also announced on Tuesday that a grand jury would hear evidence about the shooting next month.
"The public is entitled to no less than a thorough, deliberate and just review of the facts," state attorney Norm Wolfinger said. "We intend to honor that commitment."
The investigations follow a national outcry over Martin's death, which has seen almost 500,000 people sign a petition on the change.org website calling for Zimmerman to be prosecuted.
travon
zimmerman
this is a mugshot...must have been in some sort of trouble before....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Florida police are under mounting pressure to arrest a neighbourhood watch captain who shot dead an unarmed teenager following dramatic new evidence from the victim's girlfriend.
The family of Trayvon Martin, 17, say the account from his girlfriend completely contradicts his killer's self-defence claim.
In a dramatic press conference on Tuesday, the Martin family's lawyer Benjamin Crump detailed how the unnamed girl – a minor who was so traumatised by Martin's death she was taken to hospital at his wake – was talking to him on his cell phone in the minutes leading up to his death, and heard the altercation with his killer.
Martin, 17, was shot by Hispanic volunteer watch captain George Zimmerman, who spotted the teenager while patrolling the neighbourhood on a rainy evening in February. Zimmerman, 28, claims he shot the teenager with his licensed 9mm handgun in self-defence during a confrontation.
The failure of local police to arrest Zimmerman in the three weeks since the shooting – and the release of 911 tapes that reveal he followed Martin, despite a warning by a police dispatcher not to – has fuelled a fierce debate on race, vigilante justice and a "stand your ground" law in Florida that allows people to defend themselves using deadly force.
Crump said that during the final phone call with his girlfriend, who was back home in Miami, Martin told her that a stranger was following him, according to an affidavit she recorded. Martin had then tried unsuccessfully to get away from the stranger.
"He says: 'Oh, he's right behind me. He's right behind me again,'" Crump said the girl told him. "She says: 'Run.' He says: 'I'm not going to run, I'm just going to walk fast.'
She then heard Martin saying "Why are you following me" and another voice saying "What are you doing here?" She told Crump they both repeated themselves, and then she thinks she heard Zimmerman push Martin "because his voice changes, like something interrupted his speech." She heard an altercation and then the phone call was cut off, Crump said.
When police arrived a minute later, at 7.17pm, Martin was lying dead in the street.
Before the phone call emerged, there were no witnesses to what happened immediately before the killing, which took place as Martin returned from the local store to the home of his father's girlfriend in a gated community in Sanford, near Orlando.
But now, Crump told reporters, the girl's evidence "connected the dots" on the killing. Phone logs also showed that Martin had been on the phone to the girl throughout his trip to the local store to buy candy and drink, he said, disproving Zimmerman's claim that Martin had been acting suspiciously.
"This claim that Trayvon Martin was the aggressor is preposterous, and it can't be allowed to stand" said Crump. "The dots have all been connected. Arrest George Zimmerman. Arrest him today."
Local police say they did not arrest Zimmerman because there were no witnesses to challenge Zimmerman's claim that he acted in self-defence.
Crump told reporters: "He was just a kid trying to get home from the store and trying to get out of the rain."
Details of the girl's evidence came after the US justice department responded to the national outcry over case by announcing it was launching an investigation into the killing, along with the FBI. Florida authorities also announced on Tuesday that a grand jury would hear evidence about the shooting next month.
"The public is entitled to no less than a thorough, deliberate and just review of the facts," state attorney Norm Wolfinger said. "We intend to honor that commitment."
The investigations follow a national outcry over Martin's death, which has seen almost 500,000 people sign a petition on the change.org website calling for Zimmerman to be prosecuted.
travon
zimmerman
this is a mugshot...must have been in some sort of trouble before....
The case was dismissed, but Martin's mother said it should've been considered 11 days ago when Zimmerman shot and killed her son. "
My whole life
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
yeah i realize that, but you said he shouldn't have had a gun in the first place, i just want to know how that would be possible.
He definitely shouldn't have had a fucking Tek 9!
Pretty sure a kel tec 9mm is just a semi-automatic pistol. If you're against ownership of handguns in general, fine, but there's nothing special about a "tec 9".
Evidence is definitely stacking up against this guy. Looks like a little national attention is "all it takes"to get a full investigation done (unfortunate as it is that that's the case).
yeah i realize that, but you said he shouldn't have had a gun in the first place, i just want to know how that would be possible.
He definitely shouldn't have had a fucking Tek 9!
Pretty sure a kel tec 9mm is just a semi-automatic pistol. If you're against ownership of handguns in general, fine, but there's nothing special about a "tec 9".
Evidence is definitely stacking up against this guy. Looks like a little national attention is "all it takes"to get a full investigation done (unfortunate as it is that that's the case).
When people hear Tec-9 they probably think of Columbine which freaks them out.
tech 9 usually has a 30 round clip and looks like a sub machine gun, kel tec 9mm is a little snub nose pistol with usually around a 10 round clip.
Yes, an understandable misunderstanding on the prior poster's side; however the firearm in this story was definitely a kel tec 9mm, not a tech9.
Hmmm...I reread my initial post and I should clarify -- what I see as 'unfortunate' is that it required national attention to get the local authorities to do a full investigation. Seemed clear from the get-go that this was not an open-and-shut self-defense case. I mean, really, anytime you've got a dead human being that was clearly the result of the actions of another human being...come the fuck on, it deserves an investigation. Are our law enforcement agencies really that overtaxed? Maybe so, I certainly don't know for sure.
Is anyone else surprised that a story this fucked up is coming out of Florida??? It seems so out of place in a state that has been a pillar of human decency for decades.
Is anyone else surprised that a story this fucked up is coming out of Florida??? It seems so out of place in a state that has been a pillar of human decency for decades.
i have grown a disdain for that state ... it's actually my vision of a nuclear wasteland ... every town exactly the same ... full of the same corporate chains ... outside of areas of miami and the keys ... it's culturally dead ... and i've been everywhere there ...
i have grown a disdain for that state ... it's actually my vision of a nuclear wasteland ... every town exactly the same ... full of the same corporate chains ... outside of areas of miami and the keys ... it's culturally dead ... and i've been everywhere there ...
I say to hell with the fence on the Mexican border until we get Florida contained ...
i have grown a disdain for that state ... it's actually my vision of a nuclear wasteland ... every town exactly the same ... full of the same corporate chains ... outside of areas of miami and the keys ... it's culturally dead ... and i've been everywhere there ...
I say to hell with the fence on the Mexican border until we get Florida contained ...
Don't you dare lock me in here with all these freaks!
I've said it before and i'll say it again...it must be the heat. There are some whacky folks here. And the guns and gun laws are just laughable. The accidental shootings are scary here.
Polaris -- We're not culturally dead -- just stay away from anything from Boca Raton to Ft Lauderdale. There are some really amazing things in Florida: Everglades, Blowing Rocks, St. Augustine, all the rivers and springs in central florida...you can Nuke Disney though!
Polaris -- We're not culturally dead -- just stay away from anything from Boca Raton to Ft Lauderdale. There are some really amazing things in Florida: Everglades, Blowing Rocks, St. Augustine, all the rivers and springs in central florida...you can Nuke Disney though!
dude ... i've been everywhere in that state from Destin to Jacksonville to St. Augustine to Homossassa right down to the keys ...
they are all the same ... i asked a guy where to go eat in st. augustine and he says him and his wife don't eat out because there is nothing good in the town and that they used to eat out all the time when they lived in jersey ... ... asked 5 other locals and they all sent me to a chain restaurant ... in st. augustine of all places ... it's an historical place! .. the state has been nuked ... run over by old people who only want things to be monotonous ...
i will throw you a bone tho ... i've paddled a bunch of little rivers in ocala and they are nice and like i said the keys is an entirely different vibe ... but the rest of the place ... microwaved ...
haha, i know exactly what you mean exact opposite. you anti gun wackjobs are really living on another planet. come on, is that all you got? i mean really.
Depending on the facts that ultimately emerge, the "stand your ground" law may ultimately control the legal outcome of the Trayvon Martin case. If, as a result, Florida's citizens and legislators (and those in other states) see that law in a new light, they can change the law, perhaps leading to fewer tragic outcomes in the future.
The more I think about this, the worse it fucking is. This kid was followed while doing nothing wrong, confronted, probably defended himself and then was fucking shot to death, all because he was black and walking down the street at night. A 17 year old good student dead because he was black and some fuck face had a hard on and a gun.
Edit: And there is no way that big fuck had to use a gun against a scrawny unarmed 17 year old. This fuck is going to rot in jail and it's going to be awesome.
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the stand the ground law is solid in my opinion, if some buttcrack is trying to hurt you, you should be allowed to "stand your ground" and defend yourself. the problem here is that zimmerman chased trayvon down, which there is even proof of on the 911 tapes. you can't harrass a person, chase them down, terrorize them and then kill them if they defend themselves against the assault taking place on them. this is like beating the shit out of a dog into a corner, the dog biting, then killing the dog with the excuse of, well i had to kill it, it bit me.
Depending on the facts that ultimately emerge, the "stand your ground" law may ultimately control the legal outcome of the Trayvon Martin case. If, as a result, Florida's citizens and legislators (and those in other states) see that law in a new light, they can change the law, perhaps leading to fewer tragic outcomes in the future.
Godfather.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
the stand the ground law is solid in my opinion, if some buttcrack is trying to hurt you, you should be allowed to "stand your ground" and defend yourself. the problem here is that zimmerman chased trayvon down, which there is even proof of on the 911 tapes. you can't harrass a person, chase them down, terrorize them and then kill them if they defend themselves against the assault taking place on them. this is like beating the shit out of a dog into a corner, the dog biting, then killing the dog with the excuse of, well i had to kill it, it bit me.
The more I think about this, the worse it fucking is. This kid was followed while doing nothing wrong, confronted, probably defended himself and then was fucking shot to death, all because he was black and walking down the street at night. A 17 year old good student dead because he was black and some fuck face had a hard on and a gun.
Edit: And there is no way that big fuck had to use a gun against a scrawny unarmed 17 year old. This fuck is going to rot in jail and it's going to be awesome.
I agree with everything you said, except I'm not 100% sure it was because the kid was black. May have been, but also may not have mattered.
not sure if this was posted or talked about, not in the mood to reread10 pages, but there is a petition on change.org that you can sign. just signed myself, there is almost 900,000 signatures, if you're into that sort of thing.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
not sure if this was posted or talked about, not in the mood to reread10 pages, but there is a petition on change.org that you can sign. just signed myself, there is almost 900,000 signatures, if you're into that sort of thing.
the stand the ground law is solid in my opinion, if some buttcrack is trying to hurt you, you should be allowed to "stand your ground" and defend yourself. the problem here is that zimmerman chased trayvon down, which there is even proof of on the 911 tapes. you can't harrass a person, chase them down, terrorize them and then kill them if they defend themselves against the assault taking place on them. this is like beating the shit out of a dog into a corner, the dog biting, then killing the dog with the excuse of, well i had to kill it, it bit me.
Depending on the facts that ultimately emerge, the "stand your ground" law may ultimately control the legal outcome of the Trayvon Martin case. If, as a result, Florida's citizens and legislators (and those in other states) see that law in a new light, they can change the law, perhaps leading to fewer tragic outcomes in the future.
Godfather.
if this guy walks there is a serious problem with the courts in Fl. (or the 12 jury members)
do they use the death penalty in Fl. ? seems fitting.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
Trayvon Martin phone call contradicts killer's self-defence claim, family says
Pressure on Florida police to make arrest after Martin's girlfriend tells how she heard teen walking away from George Zimmerman
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... phone-call
Florida police are under mounting pressure to arrest a neighbourhood watch captain who shot dead an unarmed teenager following dramatic new evidence from the victim's girlfriend.
The family of Trayvon Martin, 17, say the account from his girlfriend completely contradicts his killer's self-defence claim.
In a dramatic press conference on Tuesday, the Martin family's lawyer Benjamin Crump detailed how the unnamed girl – a minor who was so traumatised by Martin's death she was taken to hospital at his wake – was talking to him on his cell phone in the minutes leading up to his death, and heard the altercation with his killer.
Martin, 17, was shot by Hispanic volunteer watch captain George Zimmerman, who spotted the teenager while patrolling the neighbourhood on a rainy evening in February. Zimmerman, 28, claims he shot the teenager with his licensed 9mm handgun in self-defence during a confrontation.
The failure of local police to arrest Zimmerman in the three weeks since the shooting – and the release of 911 tapes that reveal he followed Martin, despite a warning by a police dispatcher not to – has fuelled a fierce debate on race, vigilante justice and a "stand your ground" law in Florida that allows people to defend themselves using deadly force.
Crump said that during the final phone call with his girlfriend, who was back home in Miami, Martin told her that a stranger was following him, according to an affidavit she recorded. Martin had then tried unsuccessfully to get away from the stranger.
"He says: 'Oh, he's right behind me. He's right behind me again,'" Crump said the girl told him. "She says: 'Run.' He says: 'I'm not going to run, I'm just going to walk fast.'
She then heard Martin saying "Why are you following me" and another voice saying "What are you doing here?" She told Crump they both repeated themselves, and then she thinks she heard Zimmerman push Martin "because his voice changes, like something interrupted his speech." She heard an altercation and then the phone call was cut off, Crump said.
When police arrived a minute later, at 7.17pm, Martin was lying dead in the street.
Before the phone call emerged, there were no witnesses to what happened immediately before the killing, which took place as Martin returned from the local store to the home of his father's girlfriend in a gated community in Sanford, near Orlando.
But now, Crump told reporters, the girl's evidence "connected the dots" on the killing. Phone logs also showed that Martin had been on the phone to the girl throughout his trip to the local store to buy candy and drink, he said, disproving Zimmerman's claim that Martin had been acting suspiciously.
"This claim that Trayvon Martin was the aggressor is preposterous, and it can't be allowed to stand" said Crump. "The dots have all been connected. Arrest George Zimmerman. Arrest him today."
Local police say they did not arrest Zimmerman because there were no witnesses to challenge Zimmerman's claim that he acted in self-defence.
Crump told reporters: "He was just a kid trying to get home from the store and trying to get out of the rain."
Details of the girl's evidence came after the US justice department responded to the national outcry over case by announcing it was launching an investigation into the killing, along with the FBI. Florida authorities also announced on Tuesday that a grand jury would hear evidence about the shooting next month.
"The public is entitled to no less than a thorough, deliberate and just review of the facts," state attorney Norm Wolfinger said. "We intend to honor that commitment."
The investigations follow a national outcry over Martin's death, which has seen almost 500,000 people sign a petition on the change.org website calling for Zimmerman to be prosecuted.
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zimmerman
this is a mugshot...must have been in some sort of trouble before....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
he better get a lawyer...his ass is mud.
Godfather.
From http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/man ... as-/nLPgL/
"Zimmerman was arrested in 2005 on charges of battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence.
The case was dismissed, but Martin's mother said it should've been considered 11 days ago when Zimmerman shot and killed her son. "
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Evidence is definitely stacking up against this guy. Looks like a little national attention is "all it takes"to get a full investigation done (unfortunate as it is that that's the case).
When people hear Tec-9 they probably think of Columbine which freaks them out.
Hmmm...I reread my initial post and I should clarify -- what I see as 'unfortunate' is that it required national attention to get the local authorities to do a full investigation. Seemed clear from the get-go that this was not an open-and-shut self-defense case. I mean, really, anytime you've got a dead human being that was clearly the result of the actions of another human being...come the fuck on, it deserves an investigation. Are our law enforcement agencies really that overtaxed? Maybe so, I certainly don't know for sure.
two possible reasons:
1. stand your ground law
2. racism
i have grown a disdain for that state ... it's actually my vision of a nuclear wasteland ... every town exactly the same ... full of the same corporate chains ... outside of areas of miami and the keys ... it's culturally dead ... and i've been everywhere there ...
You gun nuts are really living on another planet. I swear some of you have unhealthy fantasies about your 'piece'. :roll:
nowadays hits you when you're young
Don't you dare lock me in here with all these freaks!
I've said it before and i'll say it again...it must be the heat. There are some whacky folks here. And the guns and gun laws are just laughable. The accidental shootings are scary here.
Polaris -- We're not culturally dead -- just stay away from anything from Boca Raton to Ft Lauderdale. There are some really amazing things in Florida: Everglades, Blowing Rocks, St. Augustine, all the rivers and springs in central florida...you can Nuke Disney though!
dude ... i've been everywhere in that state from Destin to Jacksonville to St. Augustine to Homossassa right down to the keys ...
they are all the same ... i asked a guy where to go eat in st. augustine and he says him and his wife don't eat out because there is nothing good in the town and that they used to eat out all the time when they lived in jersey ...
i will throw you a bone tho ... i've paddled a bunch of little rivers in ocala and they are nice and like i said the keys is an entirely different vibe ... but the rest of the place ... microwaved ...
anyhoo - back to the original topic ...
Someone pulled the trigger.
straight up truth bro !
Godfather.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/21/opinion/b ... ?hpt=ju_c1
Depending on the facts that ultimately emerge, the "stand your ground" law may ultimately control the legal outcome of the Trayvon Martin case. If, as a result, Florida's citizens and legislators (and those in other states) see that law in a new light, they can change the law, perhaps leading to fewer tragic outcomes in the future.
Godfather.
Edit: And there is no way that big fuck had to use a gun against a scrawny unarmed 17 year old. This fuck is going to rot in jail and it's going to be awesome.
I agree.
I agree with everything you said, except I'm not 100% sure it was because the kid was black. May have been, but also may not have mattered.
Something seriously wrong with that guy.
http://www.change.org/petitions/prosecu ... von-martin
I signed it a while ago.
if this guy walks there is a serious problem with the courts in Fl. (or the 12 jury members)
do they use the death penalty in Fl. ? seems fitting.
Godfather.