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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    g under p wrote:
    ...this is just another senseless crime with a gun in America.

    Peace

    This is very true. If this guy didn't have a gun, would he have gone out looking for trouble?
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    edited March 2012
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's like i said ... many people want to believe that racism isn't as prevalent as it is ... and their first reaction to accusations of racism is to get defensive about it ... which is partly why it still exists ...

    no it's over thinking and people like you that help to keep racism alive, the only crimes you guys care to talk about are crimes and or selfdefense aginst blacks but we never discuss the possibality of racism when a black attacks a white because they're white or attacks on brown people by blacks, you are to eager to play into the hands of racism even in a "what if" situation, you are to quick to jump my friend and that makes me wonder what your real interest are every time you make a post about racism on this forum.

    Godfather.
    how can someone armed with a gun claim self defense when the person who is allegedly attacking him is armed with $22, a packet of ice tea, and a bag of skittles??

    How far from Zimmerman's house did the shooting happen? I haven't read a distance, but just that the shooting happened "minutes" later after Zimmerman left his house.

    That is where the self-defense argument for me goes out the window... If an unarmed person is on your property, there is an altercation and you are scared, I can buy the self defense argument. But if I follow someone down the street just to engage them, how can I say that I was scared for my life?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    The recording of the 911 Call from the "witness" who did not want to go out side is enough to make me sick. And it DEFINITELY should be enough to put this loathable night watchman behind bars for murder.

    Try and listen to that without getting queasy.
    The entire time this woman is reporting this mess to the 911 Dispatcher, all you can hear in the background, over and over, for almost a minute, is this poor 17 year old, who was "armed" with an iced tea, a bag of skittles, and a cell phone, ***screaming for his life, at the top of his lungs*** ... then you hear one big bang, and then that eerie silence.

    This shit REALLY gets to me. Like gets me teary, even, at the sheer massive stupidity\ignorance involved here on the Neighborhood Watchman's side of the equation. The fact that this kid was killed is bad enough. The fact that it sounds like he was dehumanized to the primal level of an animal in terror, is what makes me cringe, though.

    Self defense, my fucking ass.
    :( :( :(
    i got emotional when i listened to it as well. it was like actually witnessing the murder. at first i got really sad because i just heard someone get killed, then i got really angry because it was so fucked up and so preventable had he not chased travon....i didn't want to get into how it affected me, but that call is something i will never ever forget.

    it makes me wonder how dispatchers can do their job hearing stuff like that.
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  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    http://www.loop21.com/life/trayvon-mart ... al-moments

    this might help clear some things up
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    RW81233 wrote:
    they always get away who's they? males? or black males?
    Black guys carrying skittles...

    Marshawn Lynch?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    Well, it seems like a very good thing that a further investigation is being done.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    The always peaceful Russell Simmons tweeted, "Trayvon Martin didn't die so we can create a race war he died so we can promote better understanding. We must start honest dialogue..."

    from RW's link ... this is what needs to come about ... an honest dialogue ... one that isn't afraid to face truths ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    looks like obama is staying out of this one.

    he will wade into the henry gates ordeal, where nobody died, yet he is staying out of this one. people are fucking pissed. he needs to step in and try to calm everyone down. that is his responsibility as president.

    this is an election year though, so i guess saying nothing is better than saying something and giving santourm and romney ammo to use against him...
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    looks like obama is staying out of this one.

    he will wade into the henry gates ordeal, where nobody died, yet he is staying out of this one. people are fucking pissed. he needs to step in and try to calm everyone down. that is his responsibility as president.

    this is an election year though, so i guess saying nothing is better than saying something and giving santourm and romney ammo to use against him...

    I think he has learned to stay out of issues like this, there is really nothing politically to be gained from getting involved... let the justice department handle it.
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,057
    If no progress was made in gun control when a member of congress was shot in the face in public then I doubt this will have any impact either. Obama will stay away from it because the right will once again say he's trying to take away their guns and bullets.
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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    yeah this is true, and if automobiles didn't exist there wouldn't be tens of thousands of human and animal deaths every year, and if tobacco didn't exist we wouldn't have as many people dying from lung cancer and emphysema, and if alcohol didn't exist...and bacon double cheeseburgers...etc etc. to all of you anti gun peeps who think the answer is to just prohibit guns, take a look at mexico to see how they are doing with guns. not only that but who's to say if this zimmerman fellow didn't have a gun, that he wouldn't have been weilding a club or knife or machete? oh but then i guess we could just prohibit all those things too.


    cincybearcat wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    ...this is just another senseless crime with a gun in America.

    Peace

    This is very true. If this guy didn't have a gun, would he have gone out looking for trouble?
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  • mysticweed
    mysticweed Posts: 3,710
    Dubbed "Shoot first (ask questions later)" by opponents, the Florida law allows a potential crime victim who is "in fear of great bodily injury" to use deadly force in public places.
    The landmark law expanded on legislation, known as the Castle Doctrine, that allowed use of deadly force in defense of "hearth and home." Passed under former Florida Governor Jeb Bush in 2005, it overturned a centuries-old doctrine that required the potential victim to retreat and avoid confrontation if possible, according to Ladd Everitt, spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a Washington-based advocacy group.
    "No one could argue that Zimmerman could not have safely retreated and avoided this conflict, and I think that is the critical element here and why these laws are so dangerous," Everitt said. "He (Zimmerman) does not have a duty to retreat in Florida."

    Five years after Florida's Stand Your Ground law was enacted, a 2010 review by the St. Petersburg Times found that reports of justifiable homicides had tripled, and a majority of cases were excused by prosecutors or the courts. Meanwhile, the petition drive, started by a friend of Trayvon's mother, has been signed by people across the globe from Canada to Thailand, Lubin said.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    goingtoverona wrote:
    yeah this is true, and if automobiles didn't exist there wouldn't be tens of thousands of human and animal deaths every year, and if tobacco didn't exist we wouldn't have as many people dying from lung cancer and emphysema, and if alcohol didn't exist...and bacon double cheeseburgers...etc etc. to all of you anti gun peeps who think the answer is to just prohibit guns, take a look at mexico to see how they are doing with guns. not only that but who's to say if this zimmerman fellow didn't have a gun, that he wouldn't have been weilding a club or knife or machete? oh but then i guess we could just prohibit all those things too.


    cincybearcat wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    ...this is just another senseless crime with a gun in America.

    Peace

    This is very true. If this guy didn't have a gun, would he have gone out looking for trouble?

    Are automobiles designed to kill, that's there only purpose? How about Bacon double cheeseburgers? Cigarettes...I think you have a point there. But that is it. Otherwise your argument is really weak.
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:

    I have no idea if it had any bearing on this situation. But your comment is part of the problem. That is the bottom line anymore isn't it?

    It's funny, people talk all day about innocent until proven guilty. Then if a black man/woman is the victim of a crime by a white man/woman, instantly it's racial. It may be, but it also may not have a thing to do with it at all.


    i wonder why he said
    "he has his hand in his waistband and he's a black male"

    and he's a black male??

    Where is that? That would certainly be some evidence towards some racial bias.

    I guess if someone is going to claim racism they should provide some evidence, that's what I am saying.


    it's on the 9/11 call zimmerman made to the police
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  • JonnyPistachio
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    cincybearcat wrote:
    goingtoverona wrote:
    yeah this is true, and if automobiles didn't exist there wouldn't be tens of thousands of human and animal deaths every year, and if tobacco didn't exist we wouldn't have as many people dying from lung cancer and emphysema, and if alcohol didn't exist...and bacon double cheeseburgers...etc etc. to all of you anti gun peeps who think the answer is to just prohibit guns, take a look at mexico to see how they are doing with guns. not only that but who's to say if this zimmerman fellow didn't have a gun, that he wouldn't have been weilding a club or knife or machete? oh but then i guess we could just prohibit all those things too.


    cincybearcat wrote:

    This is very true. If this guy didn't have a gun, would he have gone out looking for trouble?

    Are automobiles designed to kill, that's there only purpose? How about Bacon double cheeseburgers? Cigarettes...I think you have a point there. But that is it. Otherwise your argument is really weak.

    Exactly what I was thinking...and also, to even suggest that any correlation can be leaned from Mexico is a major stretch.

    What anightmare of a story...regardless, this Zimmerman is the kind of guy that should not have a gun. Sounds like an execution took place.
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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    so basically human deaths are ok if it's by an instrument not designed to kill. very pro life of you. weak argument indeed. hey guys it's ok for people to die as long as it's by some arbitrary object not designed to kill. also, i think there are plenty of gun designers and makers and owners that would resent the accusation that guns are only made to kill, guns are made to fire bullets at a target accurately. they have marksmanship as an event in the olympics. i have had guns for years, never wanted to shoot a person and i don't hunt. i find it fun to shoot at targets, why should i not be allowed to have a gun.
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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    and johnny, are you kidding about mexico? my point is that in mexico guns are prohibited...guess what, people still have guns and kill people. how would prohibiting guns here be any different? please explain how in the states it would be different.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Where is that? That would certainly be some evidence towards some racial bias.

    I guess if someone is going to claim racism they should provide some evidence, that's what I am saying.


    it's on the 9/11 call zimmerman made to the police

    it's at 1:06 on the tape on the above linked page

    What the hell is he muttering at 1:52 ... "fucking XXXXXX"?
    the page says it "may" be either "fucking coons" or "fucking goons"
    but to me it sounds like neither.

    it sounds more like
    "fucking toast" or
    "fucking toads" (???) ...
    "he's fuckin' toast" or
    "he's fuckin' close"

    or WHAT?
    anyone can make anything coherent out of that right there?
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    goingtoverona wrote:
    and johnny, are you kidding about mexico? my point is that in mexico guns are prohibited...guess what, people still have guns and kill people. how would prohibiting guns here be any different? please explain how in the states it would be different.
    I don't know, look at Canada, who is much more culturally similar to the USA. Gun homocide isn't NEARLY what it is in the United States.
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,057
    goingtoverona wrote:
    so basically human deaths are ok if it's by an instrument not designed to kill. very pro life of you. weak argument indeed. hey guys it's ok for people to die as long as it's by some arbitrary object not designed to kill. also, i think there are plenty of gun designers and makers and owners that would resent the accusation that guns are only made to kill, guns are made to fire bullets at a target accurately. they have marksmanship as an event in the olympics. i have had guns for years, never wanted to shoot a person and i don't hunt. i find it fun to shoot at targets, why should i not be allowed to have a gun.


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