oh i don't know, if your conservative government starts racheting up the war on drugs like the states is, then dealers will start to get busted, drug prices will go up, more people will want to sell drugs because of those prices, more people will fight for ther territory to sell those drugs, enter the demand for guns. but only time will tell on that. and yes i feel like the world is a safer place with guns. i would feel unsafe without them.
Maybe drug policy needs to be looked at in the USA, but that's another debate.
And fair enough, I just don't understand that mentality. I like the fact I can walk around downtown toronto or montreal (our two biggest cities) at 2 am and feel safe.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
also, let me say i understand most of your points of view. the problem is, i think you people believe that if guns were prohibited across the planet that they would just disappear and no more guns or gun violence and the world doesn't work like that. it's a fictional utopia that will never exist. just like trying to prohibit drugs, it will never work or happen.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
also, let me say i understand most of your points of view. the problem is, i think you people believe that if guns were prohibited across the planet that they would just disappear and no more guns or gun violence and the world doesn't work like that. it's a fictional utopia that will never exist. just like trying to prohibit drugs, it will never work or happen.
the man in this case should not have had a gun. that is the crux of the issue here.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
that's great, i truly am happy that you feel that way, i hope you and your loved ones are never a victim of a crime and you can always feel that way. personally i know a dude who was kidnapped at knife point, beaten, and tied tied up with his jumper cables while they stole his car, they also contemplated killing him, err at least that's what he overheard. i just don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to protect yourself.
oh i don't know, if your conservative government starts racheting up the war on drugs like the states is, then dealers will start to get busted, drug prices will go up, more people will want to sell drugs because of those prices, more people will fight for ther territory to sell those drugs, enter the demand for guns. but only time will tell on that. and yes i feel like the world is a safer place with guns. i would feel unsafe without them.
Maybe drug policy needs to be looked at in the USA, but that's another debate.
And fair enough, I just don't understand that mentality. I like the fact I can walk around downtown toronto or montreal (our two biggest cities) at 2 am and feel safe.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
ok what scenario do you envision that he would not have had a gun? i mean if guns are legal, he can buy one at any store, if guns are illegal he can buy one on the black market, how can this dumbass not have a gun?
also, let me say i understand most of your points of view. the problem is, i think you people believe that if guns were prohibited across the planet that they would just disappear and no more guns or gun violence and the world doesn't work like that. it's a fictional utopia that will never exist. just like trying to prohibit drugs, it will never work or happen.
the man in this case should not have had a gun. that is the crux of the issue here.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
also i wanted to point out that i am in no way shape or form an advocate for zimmerman, imo, bottom line is he hunted the kid down and murdered him, he should be arrested and prosecuted for murder.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
ok what scenario do you envision that he would not have had a gun? i mean if guns are legal, he can buy one at any store, if guns are illegal he can buy one on the black market, how can this dumbass not have a gun?
also, let me say i understand most of your points of view. the problem is, i think you people believe that if guns were prohibited across the planet that they would just disappear and no more guns or gun violence and the world doesn't work like that. it's a fictional utopia that will never exist. just like trying to prohibit drugs, it will never work or happen.
the man in this case should not have had a gun. that is the crux of the issue here.
i am not dealing in hypotheticals here. this is what all of the pro gun people do on this forum. they make up scenarios to justify having the biggest, baddest gun, when in most cases it is not necessary, trying to change ther perspective of the pro gun control people....
i am dealing with the facts in this case. and the fact is that the shooter stalked, hunted down this teenager when flat out told to stand down, and executed him.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
yeah i realize that, but you said he shouldn't have had a gun in the first place, i just want to know how that would be possible.
a neighborhood watch man should not carry a gun and be hunting down potential perps. he is there to observe and call the police and let them deal with it.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
my bad, i could have sworn you said the issue was the man should not have had a gun. implying if guns were prohibited he wouldn't have had a gun and therefore the kid would still be alive. my apologies for misreading what you said.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
This guy needs to sit and think about what he did in a cell for life. Did he think he was some kind of a badass security guard? Some really think they are the law. The boy was probably lost and had no idea where to go. Probably too shy to ask. I did the same thing as a kid at a Disney Resort... I got lost after going to get breakfast for the family and looked at people but I was too shy to ask anyone where to go. Just go out and ask the kid if he needs help. "Can I help you?" Jesus, this just makes me sick.
Fuck this dude. Anyone who thinks this isn't racist is an idiot and lives in their own world. Fuck him. Send him to general population in prision and see how tough this fuck is.
Fuck this dude. Anyone who thinks this isn't racist is an idiot and lives in their own world. Fuck him. Send him to general population in prision and see how tough this fuck is.
how long would you last in general population ? I've seen some big tough guys cry like school girls screaming for mommy..but as you say..fuck em..right ? if you want to see racism then take your ...self to jail for a while... guys like you scream racism but probably have no idea what it really is
In the final moments of his life, Trayvon Martin was being hounded by a strange man on a cellphone who ran after him, cornered him and confronted him, according to the teenage girl whose call logs show she was on the phone with the 17-year-old boy in the moments before neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman shot him dead.
Martin's death Feb. 26 has stirred national outrage and protests, partly prompting the U.S. Justice Department's Civil Rights Division and the FBI to open an investigation into the case.
Florida State Attorney Norm Wolfinger announced today that he has ordered an "expeditious review" of the investigation conducted by the Sanford police department and that he would be "utilizing the investigative resources of the Seminole County Grand Jury which will be called to session" next month.
Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump held a news conference today detailing Trayvon Martin's phone call as he was followed, confronted and killed.
"The dots have all been connected. Arrested George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon Martin in killing in cold blood right now," Crump said.
"We don't understand how he's not arrested. The family worries that the more time passes it will be swept under the rug," the lawyer said.
ABC News was there exclusively as the 16-year-old girl told Crump about the last moments of the teenager's life.
"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run."
Eventually he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.
"Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone."
The line went dead. Besides screams heard on 911 calls that night as Martin and Zimmerman scuffled, those were the last words he said.
Trayvon's phone logs, also obtained exclusively by ABC News, show the conversation occurred five minutes before police first arrived on scene. The young woman's parents asked that her name not be used, and that only an attorney could ask her questions.
Martin's father, Tracey Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton, listened to the call along with ABC News, ashen-faced.
"He knew he was being followed and tried to get away from the guy, and the guy still caught up with him," Tracey Martin said. "And that's the most disturbing part. He thought he had got away from the guy and the guy back-tracked for him."
The teen was killed by Zimmerman while walking back to his father's fiancés home after stepping out to buy Skittles and some iced tea during the NBA All-Star Game. After weeks of relentless pressure, the Sanford Police have decided to release emergency and non-emergency calls placed during the incident.
"These a**holes always get away," Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency number.
Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"
Zimmerman: "Yeah."
Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."
An altercation soon ensued. A few moments later a torrent of 911 calls flooded in and Martin was killed by a single bullet. Zimmerman claimed self-defense and has yet to be arrested, stoking outrage and claims of prejudice against the police department.
"When George Zimmerman is arrested, tried and convicted I will get a little rest," Tracey Martin said.
Phone records that indicate the time of the girl's call with Trayvon Martin before his death.
According to a statement by the Justice Department, "The department will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take appropriate action and the conclusion of the investigation. … The government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acted intentionally and with the specific intent to do something which the law forbids. Negligence, recklessness, mistakes and accidents are not prosecutable under the federal criminal civil rights laws."
Nearly half a million people have signed an online petition on change.org urging law enforcement officials to step in and arrest Zimmerman. Protests have played out in the Florida town all week with a large gathering expected Thursday.
Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, ABC News has learned. The manual from the Neighborhood Watch program states: "It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles."
According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group, which police were not aware of at the time of the incident.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Fuck this dude. Anyone who thinks this isn't racist is an idiot and lives in their own world. Fuck him. Send him to general population in prision and see how tough this fuck is.
how long would you last in general population ? I've seen some big tough guys cry like school girls screaming for mommy..but as you say..fuck em..right ? if you want to see racism then take your ...self to jail for a while... guys like you scream racism but probably have no idea what it really is
Godfather.
Hence why I am never going to end up in jail. Not that complicated.
Fuck this dude. Anyone who thinks this isn't racist is an idiot and lives in their own world. Fuck him. Send him to general population in prision and see how tough this fuck is.
how long would you last in general population ? I've seen some big tough guys cry like school girls screaming for mommy..but as you say..fuck em..right ? if you want to see racism then take your ...self to jail for a while... guys like you scream racism but probably have no idea what it really is
Godfather.
If they did what he did then yes, fuck them. Also, where are you seeing this?
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group, which police were not aware of at the time of the incident.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, ABC News has learned. The manual from the Neighborhood Watch program states: "It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles."
According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group, which police were not aware of at the time of the incident.
soo ... why were the police quick to defend this guy!?? ...
a local station there gave the statute 'justifiable use of force' to 'legal experts' and they say it can't be used here because the police told him to not confront Trayvon.
i think this guy's gonna end up fucked in more ways than one
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
* unarmed young black male gets accosted by an armed white neighbourhood watch guy who was explicitly told to avoid confrontation
Are you positive on Zimmerman's ethnicity?
dad says he is hispanic ... his picture is hard to tell ... zimmerman doesn't sound very hispanic to me ... either way ... he wasn't black ... and like i tried to tell godfather and cincy ... i don't think racism exists only against black people ...
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And fair enough, I just don't understand that mentality. I like the fact I can walk around downtown toronto or montreal (our two biggest cities) at 2 am and feel safe.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i am dealing with the facts in this case. and the fact is that the shooter stalked, hunted down this teenager when flat out told to stand down, and executed him.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
He definitely shouldn't have had a fucking Tek 9!
Yes and EXACTLY!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
seriously, the 2nd amendment will never be overturned, so please debate this topic or start a gun control thread.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
This fuckhead shouldn't have had access to that gun.
Godfather.
Trayvon Martin Exclusive: Friend on Phone with Teen Before Death Recalls Final Moments
http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-kil ... -news.html
In the final moments of his life, Trayvon Martin was being hounded by a strange man on a cellphone who ran after him, cornered him and confronted him, according to the teenage girl whose call logs show she was on the phone with the 17-year-old boy in the moments before neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman shot him dead.
Martin's death Feb. 26 has stirred national outrage and protests, partly prompting the U.S. Justice Department's Civil Rights Division and the FBI to open an investigation into the case.
Florida State Attorney Norm Wolfinger announced today that he has ordered an "expeditious review" of the investigation conducted by the Sanford police department and that he would be "utilizing the investigative resources of the Seminole County Grand Jury which will be called to session" next month.
Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump held a news conference today detailing Trayvon Martin's phone call as he was followed, confronted and killed.
"The dots have all been connected. Arrested George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon Martin in killing in cold blood right now," Crump said.
"We don't understand how he's not arrested. The family worries that the more time passes it will be swept under the rug," the lawyer said.
ABC News was there exclusively as the 16-year-old girl told Crump about the last moments of the teenager's life.
"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run."
Eventually he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.
"Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone."
The line went dead. Besides screams heard on 911 calls that night as Martin and Zimmerman scuffled, those were the last words he said.
Trayvon's phone logs, also obtained exclusively by ABC News, show the conversation occurred five minutes before police first arrived on scene. The young woman's parents asked that her name not be used, and that only an attorney could ask her questions.
Martin's father, Tracey Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton, listened to the call along with ABC News, ashen-faced.
"He knew he was being followed and tried to get away from the guy, and the guy still caught up with him," Tracey Martin said. "And that's the most disturbing part. He thought he had got away from the guy and the guy back-tracked for him."
The teen was killed by Zimmerman while walking back to his father's fiancés home after stepping out to buy Skittles and some iced tea during the NBA All-Star Game. After weeks of relentless pressure, the Sanford Police have decided to release emergency and non-emergency calls placed during the incident.
"These a**holes always get away," Zimmerman says in a call to a non-emergency number.
Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"
Zimmerman: "Yeah."
Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that."
An altercation soon ensued. A few moments later a torrent of 911 calls flooded in and Martin was killed by a single bullet. Zimmerman claimed self-defense and has yet to be arrested, stoking outrage and claims of prejudice against the police department.
"When George Zimmerman is arrested, tried and convicted I will get a little rest," Tracey Martin said.
Phone records that indicate the time of the girl's call with Trayvon Martin before his death.
According to a statement by the Justice Department, "The department will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take appropriate action and the conclusion of the investigation. … The government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acted intentionally and with the specific intent to do something which the law forbids. Negligence, recklessness, mistakes and accidents are not prosecutable under the federal criminal civil rights laws."
Nearly half a million people have signed an online petition on change.org urging law enforcement officials to step in and arrest Zimmerman. Protests have played out in the Florida town all week with a large gathering expected Thursday.
Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, ABC News has learned. The manual from the Neighborhood Watch program states: "It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles."
According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group, which police were not aware of at the time of the incident.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Hence why I am never going to end up in jail. Not that complicated.
If they did what he did then yes, fuck them. Also, where are you seeing this?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
soo ... why were the police quick to defend this guy!?? ...
a local station there gave the statute 'justifiable use of force' to 'legal experts' and they say it can't be used here because the police told him to not confront Trayvon.
i think this guy's gonna end up fucked in more ways than one
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
dad says he is hispanic ... his picture is hard to tell ... zimmerman doesn't sound very hispanic to me ... either way ... he wasn't black ... and like i tried to tell godfather and cincy ... i don't think racism exists only against black people ...