Trayvon Martin

PJ_Soul

Monster Rain wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Pretty hard to pull out a gun while you're down on the ground getting your head banged against a sidewalk, so to me that says he pulled the gun first, and that matters. Also, just because he hit his head doesn't mean he was getting his head slammed on something. He could have just hit his head if he fell or got knocked down.

Wouldn't he have dropped the gun when his head was slammed against the ground? It's generally hard to hold onto anything when you're having your head pounded like that. Also, there was an eyewitness who reported seeing Martin on top of Zimmerman and asaulting him, so it's not like Zimmerman just slipped and fell and then got up and fired his gun or fired while standing and then fell down.

In your scenarios, you have Zimmerman point his gun at Martin, Martin somehow tackling Zimmerman or knocking him down, and then Zimmerman fired the gun? If you're going to fire a gun in self-defense wouldn't you do it when the other person was coming at you rather than waiting fro him to hit you so he doesn't ever get a chance to take the gun away from you?

I once fell face first off of a stage holding 2 beer glasses and a full jug of beer. The glasses broke and sliced my hand open to the bone, slicing the tendons (14 stitches!), I landed on my chin, and I didn't spill the jug of beer. So no, it is not reasonable to assume that he would drop the gun if he was knocked to the ground.

polaris_x

JonnyPistachio wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

why did zimmerman say he didn't know how old trayvon was when in the 911 call ... he says he thinks the kid is in his late teens?

Yes, he's a liar. In the last video (today in court) he said he though treyvon was close to his age, but in the police call he said teenager.

but surely ... the defense attorney would have gone through what his apology would be beforehand and know that he would be contradicting himself!?? ... :?

PJ_Soul

polaris_x wrote:

why did zimmerman say he didn't know how old trayvon was when in the 911 call ... he says he thinks the kid is in his late teens?

Good question. That apology was crap anyway, he wasn't even looking at the family and there was no emotion.

PJ_Soul

polaris_x wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

why did zimmerman say he didn't know how old trayvon was when in the 911 call ... he says he thinks the kid is in his late teens?

Yes, he's a liar. In the last video (today in court) he said he though treyvon was close to his age, but in the police call he said teenager.

but surely ... the defense attorney would have gone through what his apology would be beforehand and know that he would be contradicting himself!?? ... :?

You'd think... Zimmerman probably just blurted that on the spot. He's already proven that he doesn't know when to shut up.

polaris_x

PJ_Soul wrote:

You'd think... Zimmerman probably just blurted that on the spot. He's already proven that he doesn't know when to shut up.

makes no sense to me ... :?

PJ_Soul

polaris_x wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

You'd think... Zimmerman probably just blurted that on the spot. He's already proven that he doesn't know when to shut up.

makes no sense to me ... :?

Well, to be fair, if I was in Zimmerman's position, I don't think that anything that came out of my mouth would make sense. In fact, I think I'd just curl up into a ball on the floor and tremble and moan or something, if I didn't just drop dead from the stress. So the fact that he spewed out something stupid in court doesn't surprise me that much. :-p

ComeToTX

PJ_Soul wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

You'd think... Zimmerman probably just blurted that on the spot. He's already proven that he doesn't know when to shut up.

makes no sense to me ... :?

Well, to be fair, if I was in Zimmerman's position, I don't think that anything that came out of my mouth would make sense. In fact, I think I'd just curl up into a ball on the floor and tremble and moan or something, if I didn't just drop dead from the stress. So the fact that he spewed out something stupid in court doesn't surprise me that much. :-p

Based on his website and interviews with his brother I disagree. He thinks he's a someone who should be praised for his actions.

PJ_Soul

ComeToTX wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

makes no sense to me ... :?

Well, to be fair, if I was in Zimmerman's position, I don't think that anything that came out of my mouth would make sense. In fact, I think I'd just curl up into a ball on the floor and tremble and moan or something, if I didn't just drop dead from the stress. So the fact that he spewed out something stupid in court doesn't surprise me that much. :-p

Based on his website and interviews with his brother I disagree. He thinks he's a someone who should be praised for his actions.

What are you disagreeing with?? I just meant that anyone under the kind of stress he must be under could easily say something dumb. I agree that he's running with the praise he's received mostly from racist freaks... But either way, he must be under unimaginable stress... I don't think I could cope with the stress of being charged with second degree murder, especially not with the press coverage and everything. I'd have a heart attack, guilty or innocent!

shadowcast

JonnyPistachio wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

No he propbably would have shot him with no struggle. If he did pull the gun and aim it at him and Trayvon tackled him then I would say there would have been multiple shots fired.

it's all really speculation ... if you're getting followed for no reason in the middle of the night ... i'd say your personal safety is compromised ... now, i'm not saying you should go and fight whoever is following you but you have to realize that they aren't looking to sell you girl scout cookies ...

You reminded me of another important fact. Zimmerman says it himself that Treyvon ran away. So he did try to get away from him at least once.

Zimmerman said he lost him. So what if Trayvon cirlced back after losing him and confronted him followed by a punch?
That is what I truly think what happened. Zimmerman was following him, Martin lost him got pist that he was being followed. Circled back confronted Zimmerman. Started beating him up. Zimmerman fears for his life pulls the gun and shoots him. It will be interesting if his girlfriend who was on the phone with him takes the stand.

JonnyPistachio

shadowcast wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

it's all really speculation ... if you're getting followed for no reason in the middle of the night ... i'd say your personal safety is compromised ... now, i'm not saying you should go and fight whoever is following you but you have to realize that they aren't looking to sell you girl scout cookies ...

You reminded me of another important fact. Zimmerman says it himself that Treyvon ran away. So he did try to get away from him at least once.

Zimmerman said he lost him. So what if Trayvon cirlced back after losing him and confronted him followed by a punch?

That's possible too. But its also a fact that while on the phone with police, zimmerman said he was by the clubhouse. Thats when he said treyvon ran away. A few minutes after hanging up the phone, tryvon was dead at what appears to be a few hundred feet (to maybe a hundred yards) away from that position, and away from where zimmerman originally was, near the clubhouse and his automobile.

Personally, I think this proves zimmerman followed him a second time. And zimmerman refused to wait for police in a specific location. he told them to call him when they arrived, essentially saying he didnt know where he'd be located. Of course that doesnt prove who physically attacked who first, but it does lead me to believe that zimmerman was the aggressor.

Monster Rain

JonnyPistachio wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You reminded me of another important fact. Zimmerman says it himself that Treyvon ran away. So he did try to get away from him at least once.

Zimmerman said he lost him. So what if Trayvon cirlced back after losing him and confronted him followed by a punch?

That's possible too. But its also a fact that while on the phone with police, zimmerman said he was by the clubhouse. Thats when he said treyvon ran away. A few minutes after hanging up the phone, tryvon was dead at what appears to be a few hundred feet (to maybe a hundred yards) away from that position, and away from where zimmerman originally was, near the clubhouse and his automobile.

Personally, I think this proves zimmerman followed him a second time. And zimmerman refused to wait for police in a specific location. he told them to call him when they arrived, essentially saying he didnt know where he'd be located. Of course that doesnt prove who physically attacked who first, but it does lead me to believe that zimmerman was the aggressor.

Actually, what he said was that the address for the clubhouse was "the best address I can give you," and that was about 48 seconds into the call. Nearly 2 minutes later he said he was following him, which means that he had moved away from that area before he ever hung up the phone so it really doesn't prove that Zimmerman followed him a second time at all.

JonnyPistachio

Monster Rain wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

Zimmerman said he lost him. So what if Trayvon cirlced back after losing him and confronted him followed by a punch?

That's possible too. But its also a fact that while on the phone with police, zimmerman said he was by the clubhouse. Thats when he said treyvon ran away. A few minutes after hanging up the phone, tryvon was dead at what appears to be a few hundred feet (to maybe a hundred yards) away from that position, and away from where zimmerman originally was, near the clubhouse and his automobile.

Personally, I think this proves zimmerman followed him a second time. And zimmerman refused to wait for police in a specific location. he told them to call him when they arrived, essentially saying he didnt know where he'd be located. Of course that doesnt prove who physically attacked who first, but it does lead me to believe that zimmerman was the aggressor.

Actually, what he said was that the address for the clubhouse was "the best address I can give you," and that was about 48 seconds into the call. Nearly 2 minutes later he said he was following him, which means that he had moved away from that area before he ever hung up the phone so it really doesn't prove that Zimmerman followed him a second time at all.

well a bit after he says "thats the best address i can give you," this happens:
dispatcher: "you're near the clubhouse right now?"
zimmerman: "yeah, now he's coming towards me."

then: 55 seconds goes by then they tell him not to follow him. Thats not enough time to get to where the killing took place unless he was sprinting. Then zimmerman says he wont be near his car where he's told to wait, In that time frame, he walks past several buildings, and behind another building, where the killing took place.

Also added is these comments:
"somethings wrong with him"
"He's on drugs or something"
"They always get away"

Zimmerman is an ass and a liar.

JonnyPistachio

..oh, and yes, the above post is a lot of assumption, but i cant help to not explore these options because there's got to be more to this story if the prosecution is moving forward on this. I cant see them gettin g very far simply on what they have right now shown to the public.

I also get very skeptical of zimmerman because he seems to have motives considering all of those disparaging comments he threw out in a short police call.

unsung

shadowcast wrote:

Zimmerman said he lost him. So what if Trayvon cirlced back after losing him and confronted him followed by a punch?
That is what I truly think what happened. Zimmerman was following him, Martin lost him got pist that he was being followed. Circled back confronted Zimmerman. Started beating him up. Zimmerman fears for his life pulls the gun and shoots him. It will be interesting if his girlfriend who was on the phone with him takes the stand.

I agree as well. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, and Zimmerman has the evidence that his story is probably the truth.

ComeToTX

Let's not forget that the "truth" is Zimmerman followed a teenager with a gun and ended up shooting him over nothing.

The guy had called the cops 40+ times in the last year. He was obviously paranoid and profiled Trayvon. This makes him the aggressor no matter who threw the first punch. I'm convinced he was going to end up shooting someone at some point.

Just my 2 pennies.

Godfather.

does it matter ? soon a court will pass down judgment and that will be the end of this circus...right wrong or otherwise and a year later nobody will care...it's a shame but that's what happens when the media creates a circus out of things,they drop the coverage as fast as they pick it up and the public will forget just as fast.

Godfather.

ComeToTX

Godfather. wrote:

does it matter ? soon a court will pass down judgment and that will be the end of this circus...right wrong or otherwise and a year later nobody will care...it's a shame but that's what happens when the media creates a circus out of things,they drop the coverage as fast as they pick it up and the public will forget just as fast.

Godfather.

End of it? Weren't you predicting riots?

Godfather.

ComeToTX wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

does it matter ? soon a court will pass down judgment and that will be the end of this circus...right wrong or otherwise and a year later nobody will care...it's a shame but that's what happens when the media creates a circus out of things,they drop the coverage as fast as they pick it up and the public will forget just as fast.

Godfather.

End of it? Weren't you predicting riots?

yes sir I was/am and a few years later that's all anybody will remember...a riot and not what it was all about and that's what the people who riot don't think about,all they have done is tarnished the memory of a young boy or other event by rioting..look at R.King his beating will always be remembered what caused a riot and the $ damage it cost the tax payers and people that were hurt for no reason during the riot.

Godfather.

pandora

Don't know if this has been posted
but this am was the first I saw of pics on our news of Zimmerman's bleeding head after the altercation.

Our neighborhood recently became under a watch group with a captain on each block.
It is their duty to respond and notify police, as residents we are to respond to them or the police.

We have had an incident where a captain has followed a suspicious person while waiting
for police to respond. He was not stalking he was doing what he swore he would do
and he was risking his life because you just never know.

In our case no violence ensued and the young man was arrested and charged.

In my mind these are tough times and the innocent need to protect themselves
and their property and be one step ahead for safety for all even including those that are
up to no good.

PJ_Soul

Godfather. wrote:

does it matter ? soon a court will pass down judgment and that will be the end of this circus...right wrong or otherwise and a year later nobody will care...it's a shame but that's what happens when the media creates a circus out of things,they drop the coverage as fast as they pick it up and the public will forget just as fast.

Godfather.

I disagree. A lot of people keep caring about cases like this. Plenty of them. Particularly black people. The case won't be forgotten by many.