No, YOU say they were further inciting racial tensions without a single shred of proof that is/was the case. One of their functions is to be on the ground when protest marches occur so that they can be in position to prevent violence from occurring. Was there racial violence in Sanford? Rioting? It may still be to come but as of now you are making baseless accusations.
The right wing media machine spins on...
its gotta keep up with the crap coming out from the progs
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If you are being tried for 2nd degree murder, can you still get convicted for manslaugter?
From what I've heard he can. I thought that if you are acquitted of 2nd degree murder that you couldnt get manslaughter for the same case under double jeopardy. But I'm not an attorney.
(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.
Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.
"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."
When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.
(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.
Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.
"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."
When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.
Interesting that you stop there and neglect this little nugget. "It was a matter of protocol, Lee said. Arresting Zimmerman based on the evidence at hand would have been a violation of Zimmerman's Fourth Amendment rights, he said. Thus, the Sanford police presented a "capias request" to the state's attorney, asking that the prosecutor determine whether it was a "justifiable homicide," issue a warrant for arrest or present the case to a grand jury."
Probable cause for many charges, especially murder, is very rarely determined at the scene.
Keep trying.
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Interesting that you stop there and neglect this little nugget. "It was a matter of protocol, Lee said. Arresting Zimmerman based on the evidence at hand would have been a violation of Zimmerman's Fourth Amendment rights, he said. Thus, the Sanford police presented a "capias request" to the state's attorney, asking that the prosecutor determine whether it was a "justifiable homicide," issue a warrant for arrest or present the case to a grand jury."
Probable cause for many charges, especially murder, is very rarely determined at the scene.
Keep trying.
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Interesting that you stop there and neglect this little nugget. "It was a matter of protocol, Lee said. Arresting Zimmerman based on the evidence at hand would have been a violation of Zimmerman's Fourth Amendment rights, he said. Thus, the Sanford police presented a "capias request" to the state's attorney, asking that the prosecutor determine whether it was a "justifiable homicide," issue a warrant for arrest or present the case to a grand jury."
Probable cause for many charges, especially murder, is very rarely determined at the scene.
(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.
Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.
"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."
When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.
Remember when this happened and how outside forces did push locals to press charges. BUT this does not mean it wasn't warranted. Zimmerman acted like a cop and a young man is dead because he did this. Charges needed to be filed.
Is anybody actually watching this live???
Judge wants a law that says something is legal before telling the jury it's legal?
Edit... Judge pretty much saying she's throwing the case in favor of the state so they can appeal because she doesn't want the pressure of GM's innocence. so obvious
sounds like mid way thru the trial they knew they had no chance of conviction so they reached into their bag of tricks to make it happen, this trial could be lost on a technocality and then a riot will happen thanks to the media and the state attorneys turning this whole trial into a race riddled circus.
This guy is very Guilty! A grown Adult sees himself as the neighborhood watch dog.
It was in a gated community! They pay extra for the guard to look at your ID when you drive in.
This Zimmerman creep shot the kid in the gated community???!!!
Only they will know what happened that night.
Martin was a Honor Roll Highschool kid.
His parents are obviously rich and so is Zimmerguy, or they wouldn't live in a gated COMMUNITY.
Zim is Hispanic and Martin is African heritage, he was American but what is PC these days,
(I called my Jamaican Manager "Afro-American... she almost slapped the crap out of me... "I don't come from Africa").
I lived this.. I watched it happen.. I saw the families react. I have an opinion.
Don't Shoot KIDS!!! even if they have Skittles! I'm scared for Zimm he did a very BAD thing. I know he will meet his maker when it's his time.
I don't believe for one second that this was about RACE.
I do believe It's about shooting a child, Feeling scared.. And owning up to what Zim actually did. It's something I can never forget.
(That guy is going to fry for shooting that kid. HE had Skittles!... I never thought there would be so many questions. )
I regret being this honest, and I'm afraid to post it... :shock:
Zimmerman will walk, as he should. The evidence is showing he told the truth.
BTW there is nothing illegal with following someone to make sure they aren't causing problems, especially when the area has had recent problems.
The legality of following someone is not at issue! Sheesh...even his defense attorneys have spent no time addressing that line of thinking.
It does not matter if it was legal or illegal to follow someone. It's whether the totality of his actions measure up to a self-defense claim. The legality of him following someone does nothing to further he was acting in self-defense.
If you want to impune the process or argue that he isn't guilty, fine, but continuing to make this argue doesn't help your cause.
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I don't have any skin in this. We don't know who started the fight, but him following someone doesn't give up his right to self defense. Neither does asking the guy why he is cutting through private property.
I don't have any skin in this. We don't know who started the fight, but him following someone doesn't give up his right to self defense. Neither does asking the guy why he is cutting through private property.
He will walk.
just curious, how much of the trial have you seen?
does martin give up the right to defend himself against the person following and intimidating him, or is he supposed to sit there and take zimmerman's bullshit? he has just as much right to defend himself as the wannabe cop has. this is not about stand your ground. zimmerman waived his right to a hearing to determine if he could use that defense.
martin lost his life. zimmerman took it. zimmerman bears responsibility for the entire situation. the prosecution still has an hour of closing argument remaining following the defense closing argument. they will rebut that argument. he is gonna get convicted of manslaughter.
if he gets a long prison sentence, will he dismiss THAT as god's plan as well?? somehow i doubt that...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Zimmerman will walk, as he should. The evidence is showing he told the truth.
BTW there is nothing illegal with following someone to make sure they aren't causing problems, especially when the area has had recent problems.
he may be acquitted of murder 2, but he is not going to walk from manslaughter. zimmerman is going to jail.
as much as I don't want to I have to agree with you with all the pressure from the media and other outside sources they will get him for something.....wouldn't suprise me if they come back at him for tax ivasion...... :shock:
just curious, how much of the trial have you seen?
does martin give up the right to defend himself against the person following and intimidating him, or is he supposed to sit there and take zimmerman's bullshit? he has just as much right to defend himself as the wannabe cop has. this is not about stand your ground. zimmerman waived his right to a hearing to determine if he could use that defense.
martin lost his life. zimmerman took it. zimmerman bears responsibility for the entire situation. the prosecution still has an hour of closing argument remaining following the defense closing argument. they will rebut that argument. he is gonna get convicted of manslaughter.
if he gets a long prison sentence, will he dismiss THAT as god's plan as well?? somehow i doubt that...
So, you are saying someone has the right to physically attack someone that is following them and intimidating them?
Perhaps. But I'm not sure really.
Really, just wish I could watch a video of it and know for sure what went down. Ultimately both are victims of the gangsta life some celebrate and the gun life others celebrate.
I don't have any skin in this. We don't know who started the fight, but him following someone doesn't give up his right to self defense. Neither does asking the guy why he is cutting through private property.
He will walk.
just curious, how much of the trial have you seen?
does martin give up the right to defend himself against the person following and intimidating him, or is he supposed to sit there and take zimmerman's bullshit? he has just as much right to defend himself as the wannabe cop has. this is not about stand your ground. zimmerman waived his right to a hearing to determine if he could use that defense.
martin lost his life. zimmerman took it. zimmerman bears responsibility for the entire situation. the prosecution still has an hour of closing argument remaining following the defense closing argument. they will rebut that argument. he is gonna get convicted of manslaughter.
if he gets a long prison sentence, will he dismiss THAT as god's plan as well?? somehow i doubt that...
Oh look! a post laced with emotion and assumptions...
I love your convincing "key words" 1. Wanna be cop. 2. following = intimidation.
I am thankful your not part or the Jury. Again, where is your evidence he followed him and intimidated him, what evidence do you have the zimmerman attacked martin first?
What EVIDENCE do you have the Prove Zimmer DIDN"T act in self defense. This is the point of the trail. The state need to PROVE that zimmer didn't act in self defense. They can't, they change their story so many times that they are leaving everything up to assumptions.
He will walk and will sue the state for all of personal information leaked (ssn) and lies/misinformation told.
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(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.
Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.
"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."
When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.
Interesting that you stop there and neglect this little nugget. "It was a matter of protocol, Lee said. Arresting Zimmerman based on the evidence at hand would have been a violation of Zimmerman's Fourth Amendment rights, he said. Thus, the Sanford police presented a "capias request" to the state's attorney, asking that the prosecutor determine whether it was a "justifiable homicide," issue a warrant for arrest or present the case to a grand jury."
Probable cause for many charges, especially murder, is very rarely determined at the scene.
Keep trying.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
yep
thanks vant for your expertise on this
Planning my hide out...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So, for the whole trial prosecution was pushing different charges than they do on the final day?
This trial is a JOKE
Judge wants a law that says something is legal before telling the jury it's legal?
Edit... Judge pretty much saying she's throwing the case in favor of the state so they can appeal because she doesn't want the pressure of GM's innocence. so obvious
Do you think if this happened PRE-Stand your ground law, that it should still be a case for the courts?
Florida never disappoints.
They should just save taxpayers time and money and get a wheel of fortune with random judgements.
This is an accurate statement.
Could probably handle their elections that way too.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Who cares about GZ.
Not sure a backroom deal is even possible in a jury trial. Unless of course Zimmerman himself decides to cop a plea...
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I agree... I also think the justice procdures are being re created as this unfolds.
Godfather.
Indeed..."media" lynched zimmerman when he defended himself.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfkRTC5gF ... fkRTC5gF4#
sounds like mid way thru the trial they knew they had no chance of conviction so they reached into their bag of tricks to make it happen, this trial could be lost on a technocality and then a riot will happen thanks to the media and the state attorneys turning this whole trial into a race riddled circus.
Godfather.
It was in a gated community! They pay extra for the guard to look at your ID when you drive in.
This Zimmerman creep shot the kid in the gated community???!!!
Only they will know what happened that night.
Martin was a Honor Roll Highschool kid.
His parents are obviously rich and so is Zimmerguy, or they wouldn't live in a gated COMMUNITY.
Zim is Hispanic and Martin is African heritage, he was American but what is PC these days,
(I called my Jamaican Manager "Afro-American... she almost slapped the crap out of me... "I don't come from Africa").
I lived this.. I watched it happen.. I saw the families react. I have an opinion.
Don't Shoot KIDS!!! even if they have Skittles! I'm scared for Zimm he did a very BAD thing. I know he will meet his maker when it's his time.
I don't believe for one second that this was about RACE.
I do believe It's about shooting a child, Feeling scared.. And owning up to what Zim actually did. It's something I can never forget.
(That guy is going to fry for shooting that kid. HE had Skittles!... I never thought there would be so many questions. )
I regret being this honest, and I'm afraid to post it... :shock:
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BTW there is nothing illegal with following someone to make sure they aren't causing problems, especially when the area has had recent problems.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The legality of following someone is not at issue! Sheesh...even his defense attorneys have spent no time addressing that line of thinking.
It does not matter if it was legal or illegal to follow someone. It's whether the totality of his actions measure up to a self-defense claim. The legality of him following someone does nothing to further he was acting in self-defense.
If you want to impune the process or argue that he isn't guilty, fine, but continuing to make this argue doesn't help your cause.
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He will walk.
just curious, how much of the trial have you seen?
does martin give up the right to defend himself against the person following and intimidating him, or is he supposed to sit there and take zimmerman's bullshit? he has just as much right to defend himself as the wannabe cop has. this is not about stand your ground. zimmerman waived his right to a hearing to determine if he could use that defense.
martin lost his life. zimmerman took it. zimmerman bears responsibility for the entire situation. the prosecution still has an hour of closing argument remaining following the defense closing argument. they will rebut that argument. he is gonna get convicted of manslaughter.
if he gets a long prison sentence, will he dismiss THAT as god's plan as well?? somehow i doubt that...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
as much as I don't want to I have to agree with you with all the pressure from the media and other outside sources they will get him for something.....wouldn't suprise me if they come back at him for tax ivasion...... :shock:
Godfather.
So, you are saying someone has the right to physically attack someone that is following them and intimidating them?
Perhaps. But I'm not sure really.
Really, just wish I could watch a video of it and know for sure what went down. Ultimately both are victims of the gangsta life some celebrate and the gun life others celebrate.
I love your convincing "key words" 1. Wanna be cop. 2. following = intimidation.
I am thankful your not part or the Jury. Again, where is your evidence he followed him and intimidated him, what evidence do you have the zimmerman attacked martin first?
What EVIDENCE do you have the Prove Zimmer DIDN"T act in self defense. This is the point of the trail. The state need to PROVE that zimmer didn't act in self defense. They can't, they change their story so many times that they are leaving everything up to assumptions.
He will walk and will sue the state for all of personal information leaked (ssn) and lies/misinformation told.