Trayvon Martin

polaris_x

ComeToTX wrote:

Random acts of violence happen every single day. White on black, black on white, white on white, black on black. I don't think you can take one example and equate it to an impending race war.

Also, some of us don't believe the Martin shooting was racially motivated. We believe the lack of arrest for two months was racially motivated. If Martin would have followed and killed Zimmerman we believe he would have been arrested much sooner.

i think this is part of the problem ... so many people want to not believe there are racial tensions in the US ... and want to chalk it up to isolated incidents ... when the reality is that the signs are evident of racial tension ... and it goes every which way ... white on black, black on white, latino and black, white and latino, etc ...

people are in denial to me ...

this is the question one has to ask ... if drifting's friend was black - would he have been assaulted? ... if trayvon martin was white and zimmerman black - would the black zimmerman been sent free and no charges laid?

pandora

As I mentioned we now are a watch neighborhood ... color doesn't enter the equation
someone prowling the neighborhood that doesn't belong here does.

Zimmerman was doing his job following Trayvon while staying on the phone with police.
Personally I think Zimmerman feared for his life, mistakenly assuming Trayvon had a weapon
and was much older.
I spoke with our watch captain who had a similar episode and he said his heart was in his throat
until police arrived. He just didn't know how desperate the person might be.

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

As I mentioned we now are a watch neighborhood ... color doesn't enter the equation
someone prowling the neighborhood that doesn't belong here does.

I know to you it doesnt, but to many others, unfortunately it does.

pandora wrote:

Zimmerman was doing his job following Trayvon while staying on the phone with police.
Personally I think Zimmerman feared for his life, mistakenly assuming Trayvon had a weapon
and was much older.

I do not think he was doing his job. And neighborhood watch programs are instructed by police to not follow people and never carry a weapon. If you take into account the mans past and his over zealous attitude of calling police about nothing dozens and dozens of times, the condescending things he mutters on the phone to the dispatchers about treyvon (ie -- "they always get away...he looks like hes on drugs or something... somethings wrong with him..")

Is there a chance he overreacted and misjudged? He wouldnt go back to his car when asked to do so. Also, he said on the police phone call that he thought Treyvon was a teenager...Then he lied in court this past friday and said that he thought Treyvon was about his age.

PJ_Soul

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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Unless you think that random beatings for no apparent reason are just something that are done for shits-and-giggles on their own, and you think that my buddy had just as much of a chance at a completely-random and non-instigated punch in the face as the next black man to have walked out the door.

you don't think that sort of things happens?

Yeah, I knew a woman (sister's friend's mom) who was just walking down the sidewalk in downtown Vancouver in the 80s - a good looking well-to-do white woman - and another crazy white dude run up and bashed her face in for no reason (shits and giggles) and ran away. She lost her sight in one eye. Random non-racial attacks do happen. Honestly, the story about the friend at the store doesn't really sound racial to me unless there were racial slurs and shit being yelled. Sounds like the guy just rubbed a real delinquent asshole the wrong way. I mean, maybe it was racial, but I didn't read anything in the story that said that.

polaris_x

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yeah, I knew a woman (sister's friend's mom) who was just walking down the sidewalk in downtown Vancouver in the 80s - a good looking well-to-do white woman - and another crazy white dude run up and bashed her face in for no reason (shits and giggles) and ran away. She lost her sight in one eye. Random non-racial attacks do happen. Honestly, the story about the friend at the store doesn't really sound racial to me unless there were racial slurs and shit being yelled. Sounds like the guy just rubbed a real delinquent asshole the wrong way. I mean, maybe it was racial, but I didn't read anything in the story that said that.

what about the part where the cop says he shouldn't be in that store or area?

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

i think this is part of the problem ... so many people want to not believe there are racial tensions in the US ... and want to chalk it up to isolated incidents ... when the reality is that the signs are evident of racial tension ... and it goes every which way ... white on black, black on white, latino and black, white and latino, etc ...

people are in denial to me ...

Perhaps you have to be racist to see the tension?

Or there is a need to see racism .... much like the Ouija board works.

Also, I was driving this weekend when a middle-age lady passing by flipped me the bird for no apparent reason. She appeared to be white. I'm not sure what to make of this .... :think:

PJ_Soul

polaris_x wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Yeah, I knew a woman (sister's friend's mom) who was just walking down the sidewalk in downtown Vancouver in the 80s - a good looking well-to-do white woman - and another crazy white dude run up and bashed her face in for no reason (shits and giggles) and ran away. She lost her sight in one eye. Random non-racial attacks do happen. Honestly, the story about the friend at the store doesn't really sound racial to me unless there were racial slurs and shit being yelled. Sounds like the guy just rubbed a real delinquent asshole the wrong way. I mean, maybe it was racial, but I didn't read anything in the story that said that.

what about the part where the cop says he shouldn't be in that store or area?

Yeah, that's fucked up, but that doesn't say anything about the motivation behind the attack. It just says that that cops is a really shitty cop making an assumption about the incident.
Not trying to say there isn't a racism problem in the US btw. It's pretty fucking obvious that there is a bad one! Just best not to jump to conclusions, as that can just cause more hate.

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

As I mentioned we now are a watch neighborhood ... color doesn't enter the equation
someone prowling the neighborhood that doesn't belong here does.

I know to you it doesnt, but to many others, unfortunately it does.

pandora wrote:

Zimmerman was doing his job following Trayvon while staying on the phone with police.
Personally I think Zimmerman feared for his life, mistakenly assuming Trayvon had a weapon
and was much older.

I do not think he was doing his job. And neighborhood watch programs are instructed by police to not follow people and never carry a weapon. If you take into account the mans past and his over zealous attitude of calling police about nothing dozens and dozens of times, the condescending things he mutters on the phone to the dispatchers about treyvon (ie -- "they always get away...he looks like hes on drugs or something... somethings wrong with him..")

Is there a chance he overreacted and misjudged? He wouldnt go back to his car when asked to do so. Also, he said on the police phone call that he thought Treyvon was a teenager...Then he lied in court this past friday and said that he thought Treyvon was about his age.

One of our block captains followed at a safe distant while on the phone with 911
did not engage but attempted to keep a line of vision on the person.
I think that was ok in fact appreciated.
As far as color when it comes to Neighborhood watch, crime, victims there is no color
just the perpetrators and their prey.

I believe Zimmerman thought he was doing what was required of him and then
a confrontation occurred and in that scary moment he protected himself.

But there should be a punishment for what he did, it was just not a calculated killing
in my opinion. I don't want to see him overly punished because of race.

ComeToTX

If he's punished at all it will be because he killed a kid armed with skittles who was walking home.

DriftingByTheStorm

pandora wrote:

I believe Zimmerman thought he was doing what was required of him and then
a confrontation occurred and in that scary moment he protected himself.

I believe Zimmerman was an out-of-control vigilante who has a clearly demonstrated unstable past (assault on a police officer while resisting arrest?) ... a history of making mountains-out-of-molehills with regard to phoning the cops for nothing ... a questionable attitude toward race at best ... and who was heard on the phone with the cops huffing-and-puffing in predatory pursuit of a small child (who he had made several condescending\derrogatory remarks about already) and whom he hunted down and then likely lunged upon -- a kid whom you can then hear in a neighbor's phone call screaming bloody-murder for his life after trying to fight off an attacker over twice his stature -- and then shot him dead, for no reason other than he had nothing better to do, was slightly deranged to start with, and should have been removed from neighborhood watch after one of the first 45 times he called the cops for no good reason.

PJ_Soul

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

pandora wrote:

I believe Zimmerman thought he was doing what was required of him and then
a confrontation occurred and in that scary moment he protected himself.

I believe Zimmerman was an out-of-control vigilante who has a clearly demonstrated unstable past (assault on a police officer while resisting arrest?) ... a history of making mountains-out-of-molehills with regard to phoning the cops for nothing ... a questionable attitude toward race at best ... and who was heard on the phone with the cops huffing-and-puffing in predatory pursuit of a small child whom he then likely lunged upon -- a kid whom you can then hear in a neighbor's phone call screaming bloody-murder for his life after trying to fight off an attacker over twice his stature -- and then shot him dead, for no reason other than he had nothing better to do, was slightly deranged to start with, and should have been removed from neighborhood watch after one of the first 45 times he called the cops for no good reason.

Totally. I think the man is a wannabe Dirty Harry who feels like the big man in town with a gun in his hand. Simple as that. That idiotic website certainly didn't help my opinion of him.

DriftingByTheStorm

PJ_Soul wrote:

That idiotic website certainly didn't help my opinion of him.

Probably the single most questionable use of that Edmond Burke quote I can think of.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

What in GOD's name does that have to do with his situation?
Even if he does truly believe himself innocent of criminal charges,
surely he can't be so deluded as to think he was doing (or did) a "good" thing?
He thinks he is a "good man"?
He thinks that he was helping to triumph over evil?

Yeesh.

Indifference

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/m ... r-3659891/

What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon." Trayvon Martin is the unarmed teenager police say was shot and killed February 26 by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in Samford, Florida.

JonnyPistachio

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

That idiotic website certainly didn't help my opinion of him.

Probably the single most questionable use of that Edmond Burke quote I can think of.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

What in GOD's name does that have to do with his situation?
Even if he does truly believe himself innocent of criminal charges,
surely he can't be so deluded as to think he was doing (or did) a "good" thing?
He thinks he is a "good man"?
He thinks that he was helping to triumph over evil?

Yeesh.

That website is ludicrous. Completely tactless.

usamamasan1

Where are the marches Indifference? Where is the outrage?

Did you see this Baltimore hate crime? Those thugs.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sec ... ted-467891

JonnyPistachio

usamamasan1 wrote:

Where are the marches Indifference? Where is the outrage?

Did you see this Baltimore hate crime? Those thugs.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sec ... ted-467891

wrong thread. Start a new one for that story.

Monster Rain

Indifference wrote:

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/

What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon." Trayvon Martin is the unarmed teenager police say was shot and killed February 26 by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in Samford, Florida.

It's sad that anyone would think a mob attack on someone unrelated to the incident in Florida in any way represents justice.

polaris_x

Monster Rain wrote:

It's sad that anyone would think a mob attack on someone unrelated to the incident in Florida in any way represents justice.

and this is why america needs to stop burying its racial divides ...

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

It's sad that anyone would think a mob attack on someone unrelated to the incident in Florida in any way represents justice.

and this is why america needs to stop burying its racial divides ...

I think the whole point of the civil rights movement is to bury the racial divides.

Or we can create a huge story based on false and manipulative reporting and stoke the flames. How is that working out?

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

I think the whole point of the civil rights movement is to bury the racial divides.

Or we can create a huge story based on false and manipulative reporting and stoke the flames. How is that working out?

the evidence is ample man ... why you choose to ignore it is mind boggling ... forget this story ever broke, heck forget this story ever happened ... you think america is living in racial harmony now?