What the fuuuuuuck .... I think someone has to figure out a way to outlaw these kinds of groups (i include the Black Panthers in there btw) without it meaning other rights to freedom are at risk... surely there is some smart judge or something out there who can manage something that saves us from loopholes... Or even without, isn't this inciting hate, and isn't that illegal? How does the legal system determine what is insisting hate and what is not?? Because I don't think the definition is very good if this kind of shit doesn't count.
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Since they didn't release a name when they announced the firing, I'm guessing that this was really more of a "temporary leave" than an actual firing if they actually fired anyone at all. It was a PR move and they know that most people won't care enough to go back and look at the credits from episodes of "Today" and compare the editors with the credits from future episode and see if that person ever was fired or re-hired after a short absence.
I see it as a similar situation that the WWE had when Linda McMahon was running for office in CT. One of their wrestlers, Daniel Bryan, "choked" John Cena during a brawl. The company had banned that sort of thing because of the whole Chris Benoit incident and were afraid that Linda's opponent would use that sort of footage against her in the race. So, they fired Daniel Bryan the next day. He had a 90-day no-compete clause in his contract that prevented him from signing with a rival company, but they still allowed him to work small independent shows. Shortly after that 90-day no-compete clause expired, he was re-hired and back on TV. The same thing will happen here. The guy might wind up working on a different show but he'll have his job back as soon as NBC feels like this has died down. That's why only an editor was fired, not the producer in charge of the show. Does anyone really think that the producer was unaware of how the 911 call transpired by the time they aired that edited version? There's no way a producer for a show that covers big news stories was that uninformed about a story that was making national headlines and has been this controversial.
I saw that. When I first read the headline I thought it meant that the case was closed but I see that FL law allows prosecutors to file charges without going through the grand jury unless it's a 1st-degree murder charge and the prosecutor who took over the case has a tendency to do just that so she can still bring charges if she finds enough evidence to warrant a trial.
I saw that. When I first read the headline I thought it meant that the case was closed but I see that FL law allows prosecutors to file charges without going through the grand jury unless it's a 1st-degree murder charge and the prosecutor who took over the case has a tendency to do just that so she can still bring charges if she finds enough evidence to warrant a trial.
the Kaos article said she is a hard ass...nosed prosecutor so it will be interesting to see how this works out.
It's his right to ask for money if he's innocent of all wrongdoing (edit: or hell no matter what it's his right), but I'd suggest it's probably not in his best interest to put up a picture of "Long Live Zimmerman" spraypainted on the Black Cultural Center at Ohio State University.
It's his right to ask for money if he's innocent of all wrongdoing (edit: or hell no matter what it's his right), but I'd suggest it's probably not in his best interest to put up a picture of "Long Live Zimmerman" spraypainted on the Black Cultural Center at Ohio State University.
You're right, he can ask for whatever he wants. And it has made me think even more whats got to be going on in someones head, even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, to shot to kill someone.
This is on Zimmermans site: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke."
Is he suggesting that Treyvon is evil? and that he is a good man? :?
It's his right to ask for money if he's innocent of all wrongdoing (edit: or hell no matter what it's his right), but I'd suggest it's probably not in his best interest to put up a picture of "Long Live Zimmerman" spraypainted on the Black Cultural Center at Ohio State University.
You're right, he can ask for whatever he wants. And it has made me think even more whats got to be going on in someones head, even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, to shot to kill someone.
This is on Zimmermans site: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke."
Is he suggesting that Treyvon is evil? and that he is a good man? :?
I would assume he is referring to the way the media has created a witch hunt for him and accused him of saying and doing things he didn't say or do--such as the edited call on NBC and the accusations of a racial slur that turned out to be a complaint about the weather.
It's his right to ask for money if he's innocent of all wrongdoing (edit: or hell no matter what it's his right), but I'd suggest it's probably not in his best interest to put up a picture of "Long Live Zimmerman" spraypainted on the Black Cultural Center at Ohio State University.
You're right, he can ask for whatever he wants. And it has made me think even more whats got to be going on in someones head, even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, to shot to kill someone.
This is on Zimmermans site: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke."
Is he suggesting that Treyvon is evil? and that he is a good man? :?
I would assume he is referring to the way the media has created a witch hunt for him and accused him of saying and doing things he didn't say or do--such as the edited call on NBC and the accusations of a racial slur that turned out to be a complaint about the weather.
:shh: he is a racist
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It's his right to ask for money if he's innocent of all wrongdoing (edit: or hell no matter what it's his right), but I'd suggest it's probably not in his best interest to put up a picture of "Long Live Zimmerman" spraypainted on the Black Cultural Center at Ohio State University.
You're right, he can ask for whatever he wants. And it has made me think even more whats got to be going on in someones head, even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, to shot to kill someone.
This is on Zimmermans site: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke."
Is he suggesting that Treyvon is evil? and that he is a good man? :?
The website is SO insensitive and distasteful. Even IF the kid did anything, for him to post that quote (or anything else on it) is totally disgusting - like he's a hero for killing some kid. Any decent human being would not say something like that, and would not build this website at all, no matter what the circumstances. I bet he is actually getting an EGO about this whole thing now, judging from his ridiculous website. No doubt there are droves of racists emailing him messages of congrats and telling him he's a hero. It seems to me this moron is taking it to heart. This guy is really starting to piss me off, no matter what happened that night (and it is my personal opinion that he shot Treyvon without just cause; simply a guess on my part - just seems like the pieces add up to that. Although I more assumed it was because he's a trigger happy doofus rather than a big racist.... It's also my personal opinion that a community that thinks it's a good idea to arm the neighborhood watch should be disbanded! What were they thinking????? But that's just me). Anyway, whatever happened, this guy is DEFINITELY guilty of lacking tact!!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's his right to ask for money if he's innocent of all wrongdoing (edit: or hell no matter what it's his right), but I'd suggest it's probably not in his best interest to put up a picture of "Long Live Zimmerman" spraypainted on the Black Cultural Center at Ohio State University.
You're right, he can ask for whatever he wants. And it has made me think even more whats got to be going on in someones head, even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, to shot to kill someone.
This is on Zimmermans site: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke."
Is he suggesting that Treyvon is evil? and that he is a good man? :?
I would assume he is referring to the way the media has created a witch hunt for him and accused him of saying and doing things he didn't say or do--such as the edited call on NBC and the accusations of a racial slur that turned out to be a complaint about the weather.
I hope you're right, but that's not how I read it. Its an awfully stupid quote to put on your website after killing an unarmed teenager. Even if that's not his intentions, he is asking for trouble.
The Trayvon supporters just need to follow their own logic and this case will be closed in a day or two ... drop the "white" part from Zimmerman's description and my fellow W.M.A.'s will take care of the rest.
It's his right to ask for money if he's innocent of all wrongdoing (edit: or hell no matter what it's his right), but I'd suggest it's probably not in his best interest to put up a picture of "Long Live Zimmerman" spraypainted on the Black Cultural Center at Ohio State University.
You're right, he can ask for whatever he wants. And it has made me think even more whats got to be going on in someones head, even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, to shot to kill someone.
This is on Zimmermans site: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke."
Is he suggesting that Treyvon is evil? and that he is a good man? :?
I would assume he is referring to the way the media has created a witch hunt for him and accused him of saying and doing things he didn't say or do--such as the edited call on NBC and the accusations of a racial slur that turned out to be a complaint about the weather.
Yeah? That's not how I read it at all. The quote doesn't have anything to do with a witch hunt. I think it means what it seems like it means - That he thinks he was a man doing something rather than nothing, and that by doing so he's a good man instead of all us apathetic folks who don't troll our neighborhoods with our fingers on a trigger. The quote is also a clear sign that he doesn't even feel bad or sorry about having killed an unarmed kid... Most decent people would feel really bad about it, even if the kid was aggressive. Not post a website declaring himself righteous... for the kid's mother to see. Wtf. Not only that, but this website is just making things worse as far as the racial tension goes, and any idiot would have known that before posting it. This man just doesn't seem to care.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Zimmerman's attorneys announced they have stepped down and are no longer representing him
Say they have "lost contact" with Zimmerman and are withdrawing as counsel
Attorneys say they still believe former client is innocent and acted in self-defense
"It's no so much that we are resigning. It's that we cannot continue to represent him until he comes forward," said attorney Craig Sonner.
"He's got to reach out to us," added co-counsel Hal Uhrig.
Zimmerman's former attorneys say their client has not returned their phone calls since Sunday.
"He's not returning my message not returning my texts not returning my emails. He wont' even give me a collect call," Sonner said.
Despite stepping away from Zimmerman as a client, both attorneys say they continue to believe he acted in self-defense. "We frankly believe the correct decision will be to not charge him," Uhrig said.
"Whoever decided to turn it from a war of words into a war of fists does so at their own peril," Uhrig said.
"It would have not been unlawful or even improper for him to follow. You can even follow me home if you want to," Uhrig said.
"The first person that swung, as far as we can tell, was Treyvon Martin … The crime was battery against George Zimmerman."
Uhrig has been engaging in an emotional back-and-forth with the press. In arguing why he believes Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force against Treyvon Martin, he said, "People are saying, how can you shoot an unarmed man? You know what, an unarmed man can kill you if he keeps doing what he's doing," Uhrig said. "I don't care what one investigator thought. They're often wrong."
Going after the press directly, Uhrig said, "If you don't believe this has been crouched in racial terms, you're not watching the same media, the same TV, reading the same blogs ... I'm taking a shot at the press when I say this."
The attorneys say they know of Zimmerman's location and have his personal phone number but have been unable to reach him directly for 48 hours. "George can't go out and buy a Diet Coke. There's a bounty on his head," Uhrig said.
"We've been able to handle the case by phone up this point," Sonner said. "But there were face-t0-face meeting scheduled."
Both attorneys repeatedly refused to reveal Zimmerman's location but insinuated that he is no longer in Florida. "You can stop looking in Florida. look much further away than that," Uhrig said.
You're right, he can ask for whatever he wants. And it has made me think even more whats got to be going on in someones head, even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, to shot to kill someone.
This is on Zimmermans site: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke."
Is he suggesting that Treyvon is evil? and that he is a good man? :?
I would assume he is referring to the way the media has created a witch hunt for him and accused him of saying and doing things he didn't say or do--such as the edited call on NBC and the accusations of a racial slur that turned out to be a complaint about the weather.
Yeah? That's not how I read it at all. The quote doesn't have anything to do with a witch hunt. I think it means what it seems like it means - That he thinks he was a man doing something rather than nothing, and that by doing so he's a good man instead of all us apathetic folks who don't troll our neighborhoods with our fingers on a trigger. The quote is also a clear sign that he doesn't even feel bad or sorry about having killed an unarmed kid... Most decent people would feel really bad about it, even if the kid was aggressive. Not post a website declaring himself righteous... for the kid's mother to see. Wtf. Not only that, but this website is just making things worse as far as the racial tension goes, and any idiot would have known that before posting it. This man just doesn't seem to care.
He also has a quote on the site that says something along the lines of, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts." Combine that with the other quote and the fact that he's asking for donations for his legal fees and the first quote can easily be seen as suggesting that people who believe he is innocent can fight evil (the media distorting the facts, the Black Panthers putting a bounty on him, etc.) by helping him defend himself.
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What the fuuuuuuck .... I think someone has to figure out a way to outlaw these kinds of groups (i include the Black Panthers in there btw) without it meaning other rights to freedom are at risk... surely there is some smart judge or something out there who can manage something that saves us from loopholes... Or even without, isn't this inciting hate, and isn't that illegal? How does the legal system determine what is insisting hate and what is not?? Because I don't think the definition is very good if this kind of shit doesn't count.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime ... 89104.html
Godfather.
simple yet brilliant idea, thanks man !
Godfather.
Since they didn't release a name when they announced the firing, I'm guessing that this was really more of a "temporary leave" than an actual firing if they actually fired anyone at all. It was a PR move and they know that most people won't care enough to go back and look at the credits from episodes of "Today" and compare the editors with the credits from future episode and see if that person ever was fired or re-hired after a short absence.
I see it as a similar situation that the WWE had when Linda McMahon was running for office in CT. One of their wrestlers, Daniel Bryan, "choked" John Cena during a brawl. The company had banned that sort of thing because of the whole Chris Benoit incident and were afraid that Linda's opponent would use that sort of footage against her in the race. So, they fired Daniel Bryan the next day. He had a 90-day no-compete clause in his contract that prevented him from signing with a rival company, but they still allowed him to work small independent shows. Shortly after that 90-day no-compete clause expired, he was re-hired and back on TV. The same thing will happen here. The guy might wind up working on a different show but he'll have his job back as soon as NBC feels like this has died down. That's why only an editor was fired, not the producer in charge of the show. Does anyone really think that the producer was unaware of how the 911 call transpired by the time they aired that edited version? There's no way a producer for a show that covers big news stories was that uninformed about a story that was making national headlines and has been this controversial.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/ ... rtin-case/
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2 ... -of-Action
I agree with Bill Cosby too. Parents should do better by their children.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/09/tr ... latestnews
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/2 ... aying-case
Godfather.
I saw that. When I first read the headline I thought it meant that the case was closed but I see that FL law allows prosecutors to file charges without going through the grand jury unless it's a 1st-degree murder charge and the prosecutor who took over the case has a tendency to do just that so she can still bring charges if she finds enough evidence to warrant a trial.
the Kaos article said she is a hard ass...nosed prosecutor so it will be interesting to see how this works out.
Godfather.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... nfirm?lite
I bet you a buck he diden't write the intro letter on his site..
Godfather.
You're right, he can ask for whatever he wants. And it has made me think even more whats got to be going on in someones head, even if Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, to shot to kill someone.
This is on Zimmermans site: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke."
Is he suggesting that Treyvon is evil? and that he is a good man? :?
I would assume he is referring to the way the media has created a witch hunt for him and accused him of saying and doing things he didn't say or do--such as the edited call on NBC and the accusations of a racial slur that turned out to be a complaint about the weather.
:shh: he is a racist
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I hope you're right, but that's not how I read it. Its an awfully stupid quote to put on your website after killing an unarmed teenager. Even if that's not his intentions, he is asking for trouble.
He will be doing 20 - 30 years in no time flat.
Yeah? That's not how I read it at all. The quote doesn't have anything to do with a witch hunt. I think it means what it seems like it means - That he thinks he was a man doing something rather than nothing, and that by doing so he's a good man instead of all us apathetic folks who don't troll our neighborhoods with our fingers on a trigger. The quote is also a clear sign that he doesn't even feel bad or sorry about having killed an unarmed kid... Most decent people would feel really bad about it, even if the kid was aggressive. Not post a website declaring himself righteous... for the kid's mother to see. Wtf. Not only that, but this website is just making things worse as far as the racial tension goes, and any idiot would have known that before posting it. This man just doesn't seem to care.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/10/zi ... ting-case/
Godfather.
truth be told
He also has a quote on the site that says something along the lines of, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts." Combine that with the other quote and the fact that he's asking for donations for his legal fees and the first quote can easily be seen as suggesting that people who believe he is innocent can fight evil (the media distorting the facts, the Black Panthers putting a bounty on him, etc.) by helping him defend himself.
this is where fox news starts to legitimately defend a murderer and try to justify his actions...
sigh...
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