INFURIATED BECAUSE.......

Suziemay

Indifference71 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

sawyer has a perfectly legitimate beef here, folks, whether you like him or not.

This. A lot of people around here are not fans of Sawyer, so they immediately jump all over him no matter what he says.

People jump all over Sawyer no matter what he says because of this:

Rossum20 wrote:

There is nothing wrong with making legitimate complaints about the 10c and how things work around here, but he has lost that privilege for anyone to take him seriously based on his past history in my opinion.

pjtradeking

IBTL(and it will be)......Happy frideeeeee folks! :-)

bootlegger10

Get_Right wrote:

There is some really funny stuff in this thread.

Ed does things differently as he is so laid back these days, I can hear him saying "Lets do some dates and leave some space in between to see how the shows sell and in case I feel like doing a few more. We can work it out later."

Really, does anyone think there is anything more to this? Why isnt it a good thing that Ed plays more shows?

It is a good thing to add shows. But Ed (and moreso Pearl Jam) also knows that people travel to see his shows. So to be respectful to fans, maybe bite the bullet and plan a full tour ahead of time even if that means you might play a few shows that you didn't want to, or a few shows that don't sell out well.

81

Suziemay wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

sawyer has a perfectly legitimate beef here, folks, whether you like him or not.

This. A lot of people around here are not fans of Sawyer, so they immediately jump all over him no matter what he says.

People jump all over Sawyer no matter what he says because of this:

Rossum20 wrote:

There is nothing wrong with making legitimate complaints about the 10c and how things work around here, but he has lost that privilege for anyone to take him seriously based on his past history in my opinion.

i've got no respect for the OP...the last straw was broken here

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=179067&p=4133531#p4133531

the band manager comes out and says, hey fan club...you got any good idea's to make the ticket process a little easier and fan friendly and the op jumps down his throat.

the linked post is just one example of his holier than thou attitude...and we won't discuss his inability to ship stuff that he has sold on lost dogs.

if i was him, i would stop posting for a few months, change my name and avatar and start over.

all that said, i do agree, that it would be nice to get the full city list up front.

JimmyV

Suziemay wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

sawyer has a perfectly legitimate beef here, folks, whether you like him or not.

This. A lot of people around here are not fans of Sawyer, so they immediately jump all over him no matter what he says.

People jump all over Sawyer no matter what he says because of this:

Rossum20 wrote:

There is nothing wrong with making legitimate complaints about the 10c and how things work around here, but he has lost that privilege for anyone to take him seriously based on his past history in my opinion.

I agree that people may be quick to jump on Sawyer, and I also agree that he has brought that on himself.

However, I disagree that in this case he has a legitimate beef. We saw second shows added almost across the board once the first show sold out. Dallas did not sell out and they either looked around for another venue or went with plan B. There is no legitimate beef to be had with that.

RedMosquito22

Sawyer wrote:

.......Memphis wasnt released at the same time? This is the garbage I am talking about and mentioned to Kelly Curtis when he was on here....of course I was lambasted but this simply is not fair to fan wallets. There was no need to release this date separately.....it had to be monetary reasons. "Oh it looks like you will sell that out Ed....Ok lets book it". I dont know. I do not live in memphis but it is closer for me than Florida...I could have driven instead of flown most likely. I just think its downright inconsiderate and it happens A LOT. :evil:

Indifference71

JimmyV wrote:

However, I disagree that in this case he has a legitimate beef. We saw second shows added almost across the board once the first show sold out. Dallas did not sell out and they either looked around for another venue or went with plan B. There is no legitimate beef to be had with that.

They know how much the fans travel to see EV/PJ shows. It's one thing to add another show in the same city. But to add a show in a new city after all of the other dates were already announced sucks. I'd be pretty pissed if I were in Memphis and already made travel plans to head somewhere else.

pjsteelerfan

Indifference71 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

However, I disagree that in this case he has a legitimate beef. We saw second shows added almost across the board once the first show sold out. Dallas did not sell out and they either looked around for another venue or went with plan B. There is no legitimate beef to be had with that.

They know how much the fans travel to see EV/PJ shows. It's one thing to add another show in the same city. But to add a show in a new city after all of the other dates were already announced sucks. I'd be pretty pissed if I were in Memphis and already made travel plans to head somewhere else.

Ok- so you don't think they should have back up options? So if a May 5th date is possible, no show should be added? Less shows is better than more shows?

Go Beavers

RedMosquito22

I love the lottery!! When you hear the word lottery you know you are gambling!!! I hope they do this with PJ also. That way it may open up shows for people since others will be more selective instead of just buying them because they can. This is going to be great!!

81

RedMosquito22 wrote:

I love the lottery!! When you hear the word lottery you know you are gambling!!! I hope they do this with PJ also. That way it may open up shows for people since others will be more selective instead of just buying them because they can. This is going to be great!!

donovanfromredlake

Caveeze wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

thats always the come back..."they dont have to do this"...but they do and its ok if we disagree with band policy....they're not going to defriend you

But you make it seem (by your post) that there is some conspiracy.. Ed has a family.. has kids.. who knows, maybe he had something planned, found out he could play another date later, and decided to do it.. for us, the fans!! your sense of entitlement is painful to me.. I don't know, or will ever understand a post like yours.. Ed is a person.. he has a family, has a job.. he is very fortunate to decide when he works.. but luckily for us, he is still deciding to work.. and just be thankful you have a chance to see a show..

Maybe he woke up and had a killer rib craving

Indifference71

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Ok- so you don't think they should have back up options? So if a May 5th date is possible, no show should be added? Less shows is better than more shows?

Not saying less shows is better at all. Just saying it sucks to add a new city after all of the other dates were announced...that is all. Especially when they know how much we all travel to the shows.

JimmyV

Indifference71 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

However, I disagree that in this case he has a legitimate beef. We saw second shows added almost across the board once the first show sold out. Dallas did not sell out and they either looked around for another venue or went with plan B. There is no legitimate beef to be had with that.

They know how much the fans travel to see EV/PJ shows. It's one thing to add another show in the same city. But to add a show in a new city after all of the other dates were already announced sucks. I'd be pretty pissed if I were in Memphis and already made travel plans to head somewhere else.

I hear you. When we lost the second Boston show in 2010 to Newark because of Bruins and Celtics playoff conflicts, it sucked. But I understood why it happened. Granted, that is coming from the opposite point of view from your point but just the same, plans are sometimes going to change.

The reason I disagree with Sawyer in this case is that this is not what his original beef with the tour announcement process was. He originally claimed that the band continually had other dates and venues already scheduled and were holding them back for some sort of nefarious reason. Even if his original complaint were true, which I don't believe for a second, but even if it were true that is clearly not what happened here.

RedMosquito22

81 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

I love the lottery!! When you hear the word lottery you know you are gambling!!! I hope they do this with PJ also. That way it may open up shows for people since others will be more selective instead of just buying them because they can. This is going to be great!!

Exactly!!


This is my favorite Kenny!!

Indifference71

JimmyV wrote:

I hear you. When we lost the second Boston show in 2010 to Newark because of Bruins and Celtics playoff conflicts, it sucked. But I understood why it happened. Granted, that is coming from the opposite point of view from your point but just the same, plans are sometimes going to change.

The reason I disagree with Sawyer in this case is that this is not what his original beef with the tour announcement process was. He originally claimed that the band continually had other dates and venues already scheduled and were holding them back for some sort of nefarious reason. Even if his original complaint were true, which I don't believe for a second, but even if it were true that is clearly not what happened here.

Yeah I dont think there is any conspiracy or anything going on here. Just announce all of the cities at the same time! And this whole thing doesn't impact me at all since I'm not going to any of these EV shows. I've seen EV twice already...I'd much rather travel to a regular PJ show.

rick1zoo2

81 wrote:

all that said, i do agree, that it would be nice to get the full city list up front.

I agree with you 81. Although it would be nice to have the full tour layed out up front, it's never going to happen. it is a business and those running it will make decisions based on information they have at the time. Fans also have to make decisions based on the information they have at the time. We all know how the fan club tickets work and we all know how releasing show dates work.

Solution for OP, especially since he apparently has issues dealing with the 10 club ticketing process is to buy tickets that you can resell if plans need to be changed.

Indifference71

rick1zoo2 wrote:

81 wrote:

all that said, i do agree, that it would be nice to get the full city list up front.

I agree with you 81. Although it would be nice to have the full tour layed out up front, it's never going to happen. it is a business and those running it will make decisions based on information they have at the time. Fans also have to make decisions based on the information they have at the time. We all know how the fan club tickets work and we all know how releasing show dates work.

Solution for OP, especially since he apparently has issues dealing with the 10 club ticketing process is to buy tickets that you can resell if plans need to be changed.

How is it never going to happen? Plenty of bands release their full tour itinerary up front. I get additional shows being added in cities, but I don't see why it would be so hard to release the full list of cities

JimmyV

Indifference71 wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I hear you. When we lost the second Boston show in 2010 to Newark because of Bruins and Celtics playoff conflicts, it sucked. But I understood why it happened. Granted, that is coming from the opposite point of view from your point but just the same, plans are sometimes going to change.

The reason I disagree with Sawyer in this case is that this is not what his original beef with the tour announcement process was. He originally claimed that the band continually had other dates and venues already scheduled and were holding them back for some sort of nefarious reason. Even if his original complaint were true, which I don't believe for a second, but even if it were true that is clearly not what happened here.

Yeah I dont think there is any conspiracy or anything going on here. Just announce all of the cities at the same time! And this whole thing doesn't impact me at all since I'm not going to any of these EV shows. I've seen EV twice already...I'd much rather travel to a regular PJ show.

Yeah, I would too. I am flying down to Clearwater because my mom retired down there and I can see a couple shows and surprise her for Mothers Day at the same time. If these shows were anywhere else I would probably sit this tour out.

Jearlpam0925

I highly enjoy this dude's pain when things don't roll his way. HIGHLY.

Shit. Eating. Grin.