cant imagine why you'd be all down on a 2000 year old illusionist when the very forum youre on its members play a song called "sleight of hand" kinda contradictory isnt it?
:? ... on Valentines Day ... geez a little love you could have given, shared
and been kinder, gentler.
Spread love don't kill love.
Ugh, did you take a course in creative whining or something?
When those Jesus losers come to my door I tell them to go f*ck themselves, slam the door and then yell "Release the Hounds" so they can hear me through the door.
You don't see me banging on people's doors and invading their private spaces, trying to shove my delusions down their throats. You also don't see me spending tens of millions of dollars to take away their rights.
Being "kind" and "gentle" to Mormons banging on your door makes them feel like they're welcome... like they can come back. And they're not. And they can't. I want Mormons to be afraid to leave their own houses.
but how about you post your address here and we'll make sure they come visit you every day? OK?
ok./
Why even bother opening the door? Just so you can be rude?
:? ... on Valentines Day ... geez a little love you could have given, shared
and been kinder, gentler.
Spread love don't kill love.
Ugh, did you take a course in creative whining or something?
When those Jesus losers come to my door I tell them to go f*ck themselves, slam the door and then yell "Release the Hounds" so they can hear me through the door.
You don't see me banging on people's doors and invading their private spaces, trying to shove my delusions down their throats. You also don't see me spending tens of millions of dollars to take away their rights.
Being "kind" and "gentle" to Mormons banging on your door makes them feel like they're welcome... like they can come back. And they're not. And they can't. I want Mormons to be afraid to leave their own houses.
but how about you post your address here and we'll make sure they come visit you every day? OK?
ok./
The reason your cause has so many problems advancing to where you feel it should be is because there are people fighting gay rights that are as open-minded as you are.
It is annoying when they do this, and it is soliciting. Like others said, there is a nice, yet firm way to do it. Last time they hit my door, they started their spiel, I interrupted them and said 'thank you but I already have my own beliefs, have a nice day'. close door. Haven't been back.
Very good point, people in some religions preach freedom when they have when Jesus take the wheel, however they are preaching oppression and hate of others and contrary to popular belief, that is not very open minded like Jesus wanted you all to be.
The reason your cause has so many problems advancing to where you feel it should be is because there are people fighting gay rights that are as open-minded as you are.
I call bullshit on that one.
this is no different than when I was told, as I wiped the blood off my face - by the high school vice principal - that the bigger kids wouldn't beat me up for being gay if I wasn't gay.
Sorry, but no, I'm a f*ck of a lot more "open-minded" than any of those people.
I don't force myself into their lives, bang on their doors or support laws to make them live in ways I approve of.
So don't you dare compare me to those people.
After the way my community has been vilified, targeted and shat upon, I'm allowed to be as angry as I want when those same Mormons who paid money out of their pockets to support Prop 8 feel they can come to my door and hand me their propaganda.
at the risk of sounding whiney
I'll add that the bigger person is thoughtful of others feelings even when they
don't agree with them
And... after Mormons orchestrated a huge, covert and mega-funded campaign to scare people into voting away my rights... you want me to be thoughtful of their feelings?
Why don't I just put on a nice green astroturf T-shirt that says "Welcome" over the back with a little plastic daisy and lay face-down in front of their cult headquarters? Would that make you happy?
Being nice to these people doesn't work...it's just an invite to come back...I don't want them back...
There is a way to firmly get your point across without being rude...
Well I really wasn't rude...told them the bible was BS and shut the door...and if they or anyone thinks that's rude then people need to grow a thicker skin...because they are rude for offering unsolicited advice at my door.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
at the risk of sounding whiney
I'll add that the bigger person is thoughtful of others feelings even when they
don't agree with them
And... after Mormons orchestrated a huge, covert and mega-funded campaign to scare people into voting away my rights... you want me to be thoughtful of their feelings?
Why don't I just put on a nice green astroturf T-shirt that says "Welcome" over the back with a little plastic daisy and lay face-down in front of their cult headquarters? Would that make you happy?
you have so much hatred it blinds you to those who do not deserve it
you allow it to eat up the good in you
so all you can do is regurgitate hate and you end up no better than those you despise
yes the bigger person is bigger for forgiveness, understanding and love
and that changes the world!
you have so much hatred it blinds you to those who do not deserve it
you allow it to eat up the good in you
so all you can do is regurgitate hate and you end up no better than those you despise
yes the bigger person is bigger for forgiveness, understanding and love
and that changes the world!
No. It doesn't change the world.
It allows people like the Mormons to tromp guilt-free all over everyone and then into my yard where they ask me to join their cult.
Honestly, did a big box of rejected Hallmark cards fall on your head when you were a baby or something?
I think it matters not if others listen or agree, their faith/beliefs
brings them bound to share
they just want to be respected and not be bombarded with hate
not unlike any of us
then they should quit being hateful people.
stay in their own church's amongst people who believe in what they believe.
and you know what...if you engage these people they never shut...I could have said I was Catholic, Baptist or Atheist and they would have stood their and told me how wrong I am...they come to people's doors to get us to convert...pure and simple...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think it matters not if others listen or agree, their faith/beliefs
brings them bound to share
they just want to be respected and not be bombarded with hate
not unlike any of us
then they should quit being hateful people.
stay in their own church's amongst people who believe in what they believe.
and you know what...if you engage these people they never shut...I could have said I was Catholic, Baptist or Atheist and they would have stood their and told me how wrong I am...they come to people's doors to get us to convert...pure and simple...
This is their faith and they are bound to that as I mentioned... to share
the response they receive should not be hate
the response could be to understand those of differing views
and embrace them for just that different
not wrong or right
take the high road, be respectful ... as others have mentioned here
The reason your cause has so many problems advancing to where you feel it should be is because there are people fighting gay rights that are as open-minded as you are.
I call bullshit on that one.
this is no different than when I was told, as I wiped the blood off my face - by the high school vice principal - that the bigger kids wouldn't beat me up for being gay if I wasn't gay.
Sorry, but no, I'm a f*ck of a lot more "open-minded" than any of those people.
I don't force myself into their lives, bang on their doors or support laws to make them live in ways I approve of.
So don't you dare compare me to those people.
After the way my community has been vilified, targeted and shat upon, I'm allowed to be as angry as I want when those same Mormons who paid money out of their pockets to support Prop 8 feel they can come to my door and hand me their propaganda.
Don't blame me for fighting back.
It's not just the Mormons or the anti-gay theme. You display passionate hatred and disgust for all groups and those that associate with them if they don't agree with your views. At least that's my view based on the posts you have made.
you have so much hatred it blinds you to those who do not deserve it
you allow it to eat up the good in you
so all you can do is regurgitate hate and you end up no better than those you despise
yes the bigger person is bigger for forgiveness, understanding and love
and that changes the world!
No. It doesn't change the world.
It allows people like the Mormons to tromp guilt-free all over everyone and then into my yard where they ask me to join their cult.
Honestly, did a big box of rejected Hallmark cards fall on your head when you were a baby or something?
always a degrading comment towards someone ... why?
you are being played by those you hate
how can you find fault with anyone else ... you are just like them
they have molded you ... you can't see how disrespectful you treat others
for the built up rage and the excuse you use to turn it on whomever is in the way
The reason your cause has so many problems advancing to where you feel it should be is because there are people fighting gay rights that are as open-minded as you are.
I call bullshit on that one.
this is no different than when I was told, as I wiped the blood off my face - by the high school vice principal - that the bigger kids wouldn't beat me up for being gay if I wasn't gay.
Sorry, but no, I'm a f*ck of a lot more "open-minded" than any of those people.
I don't force myself into their lives, bang on their doors or support laws to make them live in ways I approve of.
So don't you dare compare me to those people.
After the way my community has been vilified, targeted and shat upon, I'm allowed to be as angry as I want when those same Mormons who paid money out of their pockets to support Prop 8 feel they can come to my door and hand me their propaganda.
Don't blame me for fighting back.
i completely support you and your cause prince.
there is nothing more divisive than religion.
to my mind, religion, and the perversion of it to achieve certain goals is one of the biggest problems we face in our society. it does nothing but put people into all sorts of groups and each group sets out to tell the other groups how wrong they are, all while getting money and property tax-free, in an attempt to form the largest group. i guess that they feel that there is strength and power in numbers. and these numbers seek to stamp out individualism and make everyone into drones so that they do not realize how their beliefs and actions are holding others back. its sad...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
So many religious experts here, didn't realize it.
I'm not a fan of most people that come to my door uninvited. I am certainly polite as I tell them "No thank you". Now, if that isn't enough to get them to leave, then I might be a bit more blunt. I say treat them with respect until they don't respect you.
I think it matters not if others listen or agree, their faith/beliefs
brings them bound to share
they just want to be respected and not be bombarded with hate
not unlike any of us
then they should quit being hateful people.
stay in their own church's amongst people who believe in what they believe.
and you know what...if you engage these people they never shut...I could have said I was Catholic, Baptist or Atheist and they would have stood their and told me how wrong I am...they come to people's doors to get us to convert...pure and simple...
I always think about how i'll say what I think about their religion and how is disapprove of their practices, but then I open the door and I cant get a word in! Then I end up being nice and just saying "no thank you".
I agree about engaging them...(some of them) if you give them an inch, they'll take over your house. I had a nice little old lady approach me and give me some stuff..pamphlets..I told her I wasnt the best person for her to give it to. That FIRES THEM UP! They see you as a challenge. She came back every weekend for a month. Finally, one day I was mowing my grass, sweating like hell, and I had to be more stern with her. She was honestly following me in circles in the yard, trying to talk over the loud mower!
So many religious experts here, didn't realize it.
I'm not a fan of most people that come to my door uninvited. I am certainly polite as I tell them "No thank you". Now, if that isn't enough to get them to leave, then I might be a bit more blunt. I say treat them with respect until they don't respect you.
I personally not fond of zealots in any religion. People want answers they will seek you out. Do not seek them. Jesus was a "shepherd" he brought people to him.
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door,I will come in to him, and will eat with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20 key words I will come into him. Your house your body your temple the home where your soul dwells.... ugh.
IDK Maybe he took some pointers from Jim Morrison and was the illusionist knocking on your Doors of Perception :
someone asked for Revelation, here you go... gnostic translation included.
Its more than knocking on everyone's door and chasing them around while they mow the lawn to REPENT before the hellfires scorch your body in the depths of hell because your judgement as an unfit human? Has God taught you nothing, then tell them to go read Matthew 7 ... Judgement, false prophets, and terrible builders:
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. "'
then slap them in the face with this : Then I will tell them plainly, if you mistranslate the bible your judgement in front of Christ will be this and he will exclaim... ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers."
You display passionate hatred and disgust for all groups and those that associate with them if they don't agree with your views.
Yes, I do.
Because years of experience have taught me that the only time people question their own stances is when you smack them down for it.
All the "loving the people who beat you down" won't help at all.
I know that when I finally let loose my anger and bitterness on my own family, that's when they looked and saw just how much harm and damage they were causing. They thought their "tough love" would somehow make me "choose" to be straight. All it did was make me hate them.
Now they're 100% different. I still hear from university students that they've helped immensely. And They also have changed the minds of many of the members of their church. And none of that would have happened if I didn't explode into a ball of anger, rage and molten hate.
For the record, my trainer invited me to his church. He's a single father who lives in Watts (South Central LA) and goes to a huge black church in Compton.
I went and had a wonderful time. The people were so full of joy and love and they were all so nice to me I was a bit humbled.
I wish I could be like that at everyone's church... feeling that welcome. One day maybe we all can.
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I don't know about that, but you certainly could go to their homes!
Why even bother opening the door? Just so you can be rude?
I call bullshit on that one.
this is no different than when I was told, as I wiped the blood off my face - by the high school vice principal - that the bigger kids wouldn't beat me up for being gay if I wasn't gay.
Sorry, but no, I'm a f*ck of a lot more "open-minded" than any of those people.
I don't force myself into their lives, bang on their doors or support laws to make them live in ways I approve of.
So don't you dare compare me to those people.
After the way my community has been vilified, targeted and shat upon, I'm allowed to be as angry as I want when those same Mormons who paid money out of their pockets to support Prop 8 feel they can come to my door and hand me their propaganda.
Don't blame me for fighting back.
brings them bound to share
they just want to be respected and not be bombarded with hate
not unlike any of us
And... after Mormons orchestrated a huge, covert and mega-funded campaign to scare people into voting away my rights... you want me to be thoughtful of their feelings?
Why don't I just put on a nice green astroturf T-shirt that says "Welcome" over the back with a little plastic daisy and lay face-down in front of their cult headquarters? Would that make you happy?
Well I really wasn't rude...told them the bible was BS and shut the door...and if they or anyone thinks that's rude then people need to grow a thicker skin...because they are rude for offering unsolicited advice at my door.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
wait...
you think I should "respect" Mormons?
The people who drove the campaign for Proposition 8? You feel sorry for Mormons because they're being "bombarded with hate?"
you allow it to eat up the good in you
so all you can do is regurgitate hate and you end up no better than those you despise
yes the bigger person is bigger for forgiveness, understanding and love
and that changes the world!
No. It doesn't change the world.
It allows people like the Mormons to tromp guilt-free all over everyone and then into my yard where they ask me to join their cult.
Honestly, did a big box of rejected Hallmark cards fall on your head when you were a baby or something?
then they should quit being hateful people.
stay in their own church's amongst people who believe in what they believe.
and you know what...if you engage these people they never shut...I could have said I was Catholic, Baptist or Atheist and they would have stood their and told me how wrong I am...they come to people's doors to get us to convert...pure and simple...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
the response they receive should not be hate
the response could be to understand those of differing views
and embrace them for just that different
not wrong or right
take the high road, be respectful ... as others have mentioned here
you are being played by those you hate
how can you find fault with anyone else ... you are just like them
they have molded you ... you can't see how disrespectful you treat others
for the built up rage and the excuse you use to turn it on whomever is in the way
oh and the irony once again slaps us all silly
The thing is, they send these really young kids around......and it is not their fault they are brain-washed!!!
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
there is nothing more divisive than religion.
to my mind, religion, and the perversion of it to achieve certain goals is one of the biggest problems we face in our society. it does nothing but put people into all sorts of groups and each group sets out to tell the other groups how wrong they are, all while getting money and property tax-free, in an attempt to form the largest group. i guess that they feel that there is strength and power in numbers. and these numbers seek to stamp out individualism and make everyone into drones so that they do not realize how their beliefs and actions are holding others back. its sad...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm not a fan of most people that come to my door uninvited. I am certainly polite as I tell them "No thank you". Now, if that isn't enough to get them to leave, then I might be a bit more blunt. I say treat them with respect until they don't respect you.
Also,to the cat that started this thread.... the last quote under your signature sure is interesting !
Keep up the good fight!
- Mitch Hedberg
I always think about how i'll say what I think about their religion and how is disapprove of their practices, but then I open the door and I cant get a word in! Then I end up being nice and just saying "no thank you".
I agree about engaging them...(some of them) if you give them an inch, they'll take over your house. I had a nice little old lady approach me and give me some stuff..pamphlets..I told her I wasnt the best person for her to give it to. That FIRES THEM UP! They see you as a challenge. She came back every weekend for a month. Finally, one day I was mowing my grass, sweating like hell, and I had to be more stern with her. She was honestly following me in circles in the yard, trying to talk over the loud mower!
I personally not fond of zealots in any religion. People want answers they will seek you out. Do not seek them.
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will eat with him, and he with me." Revelation 3:20 key words I will come into him. Your house your body your temple the home where your soul dwells.... ugh.
someone asked for Revelation, here you go... gnostic translation included.
Its more than knocking on everyone's door and chasing them around while they mow the lawn to REPENT before the hellfires scorch your body in the depths of hell because your judgement as an unfit human? Has God taught you nothing, then tell them to go read Matthew 7 ... Judgement, false prophets, and terrible builders:
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. "'
then slap them in the face with this : Then I will tell them plainly, if you mistranslate the bible your judgement in front of Christ will be this and he will exclaim... ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers."
you know terrible builders cause collapse. Anyway... http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV
Then he off he goes and defends Mary righteously as his disciple in the next texts.
Why not?
Do you also think that we should be nice to members of the Ku Klux Klan because their beliefs make them lynch people?
Sorry. No.
Wrong.
Not right.
I will not embrace someone who doesn't even allow me the respect to allow me to live on my own terms. Thanks.
Yes, I do.
Because years of experience have taught me that the only time people question their own stances is when you smack them down for it.
All the "loving the people who beat you down" won't help at all.
I know that when I finally let loose my anger and bitterness on my own family, that's when they looked and saw just how much harm and damage they were causing. They thought their "tough love" would somehow make me "choose" to be straight. All it did was make me hate them.
Now they're 100% different. I still hear from university students that they've helped immensely. And They also have changed the minds of many of the members of their church. And none of that would have happened if I didn't explode into a ball of anger, rage and molten hate.
thanks very much.
For the record, my trainer invited me to his church. He's a single father who lives in Watts (South Central LA) and goes to a huge black church in Compton.
I went and had a wonderful time. The people were so full of joy and love and they were all so nice to me I was a bit humbled.
I wish I could be like that at everyone's church... feeling that welcome. One day maybe we all can.
(this doesn't reflect my views on religion....this is more of a joke with huge shock value!)