The only reason to take the ball first would be to let your D rest. Maybe they did this, but there was a good delay with commercials and the coin toss and all that.
Otherwise it doesn't hold water - even with "wanting the 3rd possession." If the first team scores a TD you can score a TD and you can go for 2 to win. If the first team scores a FG, you go for the TD to win. If the first team scores nothing you just need a FG. And they have to stop you for 4 downs - really tough on the team that plays defense second. This is clearly something that should've been thought out before the playoffs. Whatever, same coach that tried to block Reddick with their backup TE and got Purdy's elbow destroyed - they always do something stupid in the end.
Niners blew it. It's not like an official signed sealed & delivered the game to the Chiefs...
I think you can make an argument for taking the ball either first or second.
And I do think both teams should get the ball in OT. You can’t let a coin flip determine the Super Bowl.
I also think Romo provides some good insight. Those of you who hate him probably also hate America’s Team.
I don't think there is a good argument for taking the ball first, other than if your defense is REALLY cooked. You get an extra down that you don't have when you take it first. Let's take the 4th and one at the Chiefs 34 or whatever. Do they go for it if they have the ball first? Maybe not. But you have no choice when you get the ball second. You know exactly what you have to do.
Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close.
They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes
AFC Championship appearances: Mahomes: 6 (every year) Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)
Super Bowls: Mahomes: 3-1 Brady: 3-0
League MVPs: Mahomes: 2 Brady: 0
Pro Bowls: Mahomes: 6 Brady: 3
Regular Season W/L: Mahomes: 73-22 (.768) Brady: 70-24 (.745)
And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.
TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.
Didn’t a roughing the passer call (that should have been nullified) help Mahomes on the final drive of last year’s SB? Or was it last year’s AFCCG?
Now I recall… It was the AFCCG, and it was an unnecessary roughness penalty for knocking Mahomes out at the sideline in the final 20 seconds of the game and the extra 15 yards set KC up for the go ahead field goal… the penalty should have been offset by a blatant offensive hold before Mahomes left the pocket, but sometimes that’s how it goes.
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Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close.
They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes
AFC Championship appearances: Mahomes: 6 (every year) Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)
Super Bowls: Mahomes: 3-1 Brady: 3-0
League MVPs: Mahomes: 2 Brady: 0
Pro Bowls: Mahomes: 6 Brady: 3
Regular Season W/L: Mahomes: 73-22 (.768) Brady: 70-24 (.745)
And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.
TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.
You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...
Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close.
They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes
AFC Championship appearances: Mahomes: 6 (every year) Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)
Super Bowls: Mahomes: 3-1 Brady: 3-0
League MVPs: Mahomes: 2 Brady: 0
Pro Bowls: Mahomes: 6 Brady: 3
Regular Season W/L: Mahomes: 73-22 (.768) Brady: 70-24 (.745)
And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.
TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.
You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...
yes, I am seriously suggesting TB12 was more protected than any other NFL QB in history.
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The only reason to take the ball first would be to let your D rest. Maybe they did this, but there was a good delay with commercials and the coin toss and all that.
Otherwise it doesn't hold water - even with "wanting the 3rd possession." If the first team scores a TD you can score a TD and you can go for 2 to win. If the first team scores a FG, you go for the TD to win. If the first team scores nothing you just need a FG. And they have to stop you for 4 downs - really tough on the team that plays defense second. This is clearly something that should've been thought out before the playoffs. Whatever, same coach that tried to block Reddick with their backup TE and got Purdy's elbow destroyed - they always do something stupid in the end.
Niners blew it. It's not like an official signed sealed & delivered the game to the Chiefs...
I think you can make an argument for taking the ball either first or second.
And I do think both teams should get the ball in OT. You can’t let a coin flip determine the Super Bowl.
I also think Romo provides some good insight. Those of you who hate him probably also hate America’s Team.
I don't think there is a good argument for taking the ball first, other than if your defense is REALLY cooked. You get an extra down that you don't have when you take it first. Let's take the 4th and one at the Chiefs 34 or whatever. Do they go for it if they have the ball first? Maybe not. But you have no choice when you get the ball second. You know exactly what you have to do.
I hear ya….but the “third possession” makes sense to me, too.
that said, it’s been reported the chiefs would have gone for two had both teams scored a TD….so there would have been no third possession. unlike the niners (apparently), the chiefs had considered the scenarios.
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Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close.
They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes
AFC Championship appearances: Mahomes: 6 (every year) Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)
Super Bowls: Mahomes: 3-1 Brady: 3-0
League MVPs: Mahomes: 2 Brady: 0
Pro Bowls: Mahomes: 6 Brady: 3
Regular Season W/L: Mahomes: 73-22 (.768) Brady: 70-24 (.745)
And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.
TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.
You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...
yes, I am seriously suggesting TB12 was more protected than any other NFL QB in history.
The only reason to take the ball first would be to let your D rest. Maybe they did this, but there was a good delay with commercials and the coin toss and all that.
Otherwise it doesn't hold water - even with "wanting the 3rd possession." If the first team scores a TD you can score a TD and you can go for 2 to win. If the first team scores a FG, you go for the TD to win. If the first team scores nothing you just need a FG. And they have to stop you for 4 downs - really tough on the team that plays defense second. This is clearly something that should've been thought out before the playoffs. Whatever, same coach that tried to block Reddick with their backup TE and got Purdy's elbow destroyed - they always do something stupid in the end.
Niners blew it. It's not like an official signed sealed & delivered the game to the Chiefs...
I think you can make an argument for taking the ball either first or second.
And I do think both teams should get the ball in OT. You can’t let a coin flip determine the Super Bowl.
I also think Romo provides some good insight. Those of you who hate him probably also hate America’s Team.
I don't think there is a good argument for taking the ball first, other than if your defense is REALLY cooked. You get an extra down that you don't have when you take it first. Let's take the 4th and one at the Chiefs 34 or whatever. Do they go for it if they have the ball first? Maybe not. But you have no choice when you get the ball second. You know exactly what you have to do.
I hear ya….but the “third possession” makes sense to me, too.
that said, it’s been reported the chiefs would have gone for two had both teams scored a TD….so there would have been no third possession. unlike the niners (apparently), the chiefs had considered the scenarios.
Exactly. At 50/50, you definitely go for two. But of course if it’s a battle of FG, then the Niners have the advantage. I’m not saying there aren’t arguments for Shannahan’s strategy, I just think they pale in comparison to kicking and playing D first.
But it’s very theoretical since the sample size for this event is now exactly one game. And it will take years to have a real sample, well after we’re all dead.
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Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close.
They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes
AFC Championship appearances: Mahomes: 6 (every year) Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)
Super Bowls: Mahomes: 3-1 Brady: 3-0
League MVPs: Mahomes: 2 Brady: 0
Pro Bowls: Mahomes: 6 Brady: 3
Regular Season W/L: Mahomes: 73-22 (.768) Brady: 70-24 (.745)
And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.
TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.
You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...
yes, I am seriously suggesting TB12 was more protected than any other NFL QB in history.
Well then Mahomes is a close second then. Breath on that guy and he's complaining and....magically....a flag usually appears shortly thereafter.
I would have chosen to kickoff had I won the toss in OT, because you have a chance to end the game right away. A defensive TD ends the game. You have two straight possessions, one on defense and then on offense (TD + 2 pt conv) to walk it off.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
I would have chosen to kickoff had I won the toss in OT, because you have a chance to end the game right away. A defensive TD ends the game. You have two straight possessions, one on defense and then on offense (TD + 2 pt conv) to walk it off.
Not just a td but a turnover pretty much hands it to you a well, especially kicking indoors.
Mahomes is pretty ahead of Brady's pace right now. I won't dive into the stats. The eras were different, and Brady wasn't asked to or expected to do as much as Mahomes does (though even when adjusted for era, Mahomes has been better). But winning and awards are pretty universal regardless of era. And the comparison of Mahomes' first seven seasons versus Brady's isn't even close.
They both sat the bench as rookies. So this is year 2 through 7 for both of them. 2001-2006 for Brady, 2018-2023 from Mahomes
AFC Championship appearances: Mahomes: 6 (every year) Brady: 4 (with one year of missed playoffs: 2002)
Super Bowls: Mahomes: 3-1 Brady: 3-0
League MVPs: Mahomes: 2 Brady: 0
Pro Bowls: Mahomes: 6 Brady: 3
Regular Season W/L: Mahomes: 73-22 (.768) Brady: 70-24 (.745)
And remember, since all anyone cares about is Super Bowl wins, Brady had a 10-year drought of no SB wins. Could that happen to Mahomes? Maybe. Can Mahomes play at a high level for 20 years like Brady? Maybe. But man, it's crazy that there's ANOTHER guy like this in the league.
TB12 would have led the winning drive, too….but only because he would have gotten two roughing the passer penalties.
You're not seriously suggesting Mahomes doesn't get that same treatment all the time are you? Come on wob...
yes, I am seriously suggesting TB12 was more protected than any other NFL QB in history.
Luckiest guy to ever win 7 rings.
Clearly just a stiff with a horseshoe up his ass and no Troy Aikman.
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HEY! It ain't over!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
And that's on Niners coaching staff. One would hope they knew and deliberately chose to get the ball first to let their defense rest. If not, well that's inexcusable. It's bad that a few players didn't know, but probably doesn't change anything.
Shanahan is great at offensive schemes....pretty bad at a lot of other stuff.
So his teams have now lost after giving up leads of 10, 10 and 25 in the Super Bowl. I know he was just the OC in one of them but---yeesh.
To be fair, those losses were against Mahomes, Mahomes, and Brady. Those dudes are responsible for half the Super Bowls this century.
But still... it's that same old Shanahan Special. Abandon the run game and put your QB in 3rd & longs to start every drive. Hey let's run 8 seconds off the clock & punt, that'll surely lead us to victory!
josh hawley will probably offer “thoughts and prayers.”
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Fuck this shit. Now in my hometown. Something has got to change.
“fuck this shit” would make a good campaign slogan for someone who thought they could do something about it.
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saw a mother & teen daughter interviewed getting away and you can see how traumatized they were and how this will effect their lives moving forward....and they are the lucky ones who werent wounded or killed. Its Madness
they are saying this happened due to a dispute.....one that should have had punches , but when you have a gun, why get your fists dirty......fuckin braindead legislators out there
they are saying this happened due to a dispute.....one that should have had punches , but when you have a gun, why get your fists dirty......fuckin braindead legislators out there
The problem is typical Blue state violence. No wait, that doesn't work. The problem is that Missouri has too restrictive of gun laws. No wait, that one doesn't work. The problem is that "gun free" zones exist and only the good guys follow that. No wait, that doesn't work they were in open public. The problem is that too many people DON'T have guns. That includes the 11 children that were shot. Had they been armed, this would not have happened. That one works.
they are saying this happened due to a dispute.....one that should have had punches , but when you have a gun, why get your fists dirty......fuckin braindead legislators out there
The problem is typical Blue state violence. No wait, that doesn't work. The problem is that Missouri has too restrictive of gun laws. No wait, that one doesn't work. The problem is that "gun free" zones exist and only the good guys follow that. No wait, that doesn't work they were in open public. The problem is that too many people DON'T have guns. That includes the 11 children that were shot. Had they been armed, this would not have happened. That one works.
It's the liberals' fault.
I think the problem here is that someone forgot to lock all the emergency doors along the parade route from the inside... there were too many unlocked doors.
they are saying this happened due to a dispute.....one that should have had punches , but when you have a gun, why get your fists dirty......fuckin braindead legislators out there
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that said, it’s been reported the chiefs would have gone for two had both teams scored a TD….so there would have been no third possession. unlike the niners (apparently), the chiefs had considered the scenarios.
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But still... it's that same old Shanahan Special. Abandon the run game and put your QB in 3rd & longs to start every drive. Hey let's run 8 seconds off the clock & punt, that'll surely lead us to victory!
hope it’s not worse than already reported…
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This is life in America and it's never going to change.
This is the cost of 'freedom'.
The problem is that Missouri has too restrictive of gun laws. No wait, that one doesn't work.
The problem is that "gun free" zones exist and only the good guys follow that. No wait, that doesn't work they were in open public.
The problem is that too many people DON'T have guns. That includes the 11 children that were shot. Had they been armed, this would not have happened. That one works.
It's the liberals' fault.
but its Cruel to not allow access to Guns with folks w/ violent pasts/mental health issues
Crime is crime, we cant agree that violence is always worse....its just to be disagreeable, pick your side and own the other side
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