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Ledbetterman10

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Nice win by the Dolphins! Fitzpatrick had his way with them. Especially on the game-winning drive. 

Ryan Fitzpatrick is my betting kryptonite. Any game he's a part of I never win. Yet I never learn. He's the modern day Stoney Case. Of course he screws with the ol' Pats second half line. Should've known better.


As someone who has enjoyed winning money on New England games for such a long time, I am hesitant to say this but.....I think the end is here for them. Don't recall them laying such an egg to such a team with so much on the line. Titans will give them all they can handle.

I took the Dolphins moneyline (just had a hunch) and won big yesterday. I’m going to take the Titans next week because they’ve been way better than the Pats over the past month. But I’m not ready to declare the Patriots dynasty dead just yet though. They had a similar week 17 loss to Miami in 2015 that cost them homefield that year (they would go on to lose at Denver in the AFC championship), but they then won the next three AFC titles. Brady didn’t look as washed then though. 

MayDay10

It cant be overstated how bad that loss is for the Patriots

tempo_n_groove

MayDay10 said:

It cant be overstated how bad that loss is for the Patriots

Any loss to the Dolphins is bad.

How Fitzmagic continues to pull these gems out of his ass is beyond me.

ikiT

MayDay10 said:

It cant be overstated how bad that loss is for the Patriots

I saw that.  Speaking as someone who saw Jim Kelly's last game in Foxboro, I feel those happy go lucky days are OVER.  

MayDay10

ikiT said:

MayDay10 said:

It cant be overstated how bad that loss is for the Patriots

I saw that.  Speaking as someone who saw Jim Kelly's last game in Foxboro, I feel those happy go lucky days are OVER.  

I read through a Patriots forum last night, and it reminds me a lot of Bills' fans toward the end of 1996 (although the length and success of that 'dynasty' was much smaller).  

Lots of fans really want to cast Brady out, are questioning Belichick, and some even want Kraft jailed, and they just think it is easy for their team to just move on and carry the same success into perpetuity, just because.  We kind of ran Jim Kelly into retirement, his last home game was a wild card weekend loss to Jacksonville and people were clamoring to move on to the Todd Collins era.  They have not won a playoff game since.  

Lots of Patriots fans are in for a rude awakening when they become a typical NFL team who has to scratch and claw to get into the playoffs, may miss the playoffs, may have very poor seasons, QB uncertainty, actual frustration, etc.  Some fans are in their 20s and know nothing but perpetual division championships and 1st round byes into AFC Championship Games where the season "really starts".  


For this season, that loss is so bad.  They have not made a Super Bowl in this run without having a 1st round bye.  That is part of their formula.  Get a bye week and host a team who just played and they should beat.  Win that game, go into the AFCCG either at home or on the road and do a great job coaching, luck, Brady, Gronk, etc to get to the Superbowl with another week off and preparation.  They need that bye week now more than ever, they are older and banged up. 
Tennessee is also a nightmare match-up for them at this time.   If they do win, it will take a big toll and they will have to travel to a rested KC or Baltimore for the Divisional Round.


I don't know if it is over.  I have a lot of faith in Belichick to recover and keep the Patriots very competitive... although he has drafted very poorly as of late, and there doesnt seem to be an answer after Brady as of yet.  Brady does look his age now.  He looks visibly frustrated on the field, and has divested himself of a few New England personal obligations.  He seems to want to get paid now with a few year commitment.   If Kraft forces it, I see belichick retiring and the whole thing will blow up.  If they let Brady go, who will be their QB?  I could also see Brady retiring if he doesnt think he could get it back physically (and doesnt want to risk hurting his legacy outside the Patriots' umbrella).

They are also aging and look a bit slow.  They will have a late 1st round pick, and burned their 2nd on Sanu.  Who knows if they will lose additional pick(s) over the videotaping thing.  

Also it appears that the Bills and Dolphins are trending toward not being sleeping dead-beat franchises anymore, and the Jets arent too far off either if Darnold is any good.  Next season's schedule is a toughie as well.

ikiT

I don't want it to be over.  Explosions look iminent. 

Back before Bledsoe, Danny Marino was mad frustrated at the end too.

https://youtu.be/Vb1VoCirpPw

ikiT

Just my opinion but the Jets blow.  BLOW

ikiT

...and I'm thankful everyday that I'm not a fan of the Washington football team.  Those effs are HOPELESS.

ed243421

Garrett fired

ikiT

It's exponentially harder without Gronkowski.

Jason P

ed243421 said:

Garrett fired

His life will be so much better now.  

tempo_n_groove

ed243421 said:

Garrett fired

Really?

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Nice win by the Dolphins! Fitzpatrick had his way with them. Especially on the game-winning drive. 

Ryan Fitzpatrick is my betting kryptonite. Any game he's a part of I never win. Yet I never learn. He's the modern day Stoney Case. Of course he screws with the ol' Pats second half line. Should've known better.


As someone who has enjoyed winning money on New England games for such a long time, I am hesitant to say this but.....I think the end is here for them. Don't recall them laying such an egg to such a team with so much on the line. Titans will give them all they can handle.

I took the Dolphins moneyline (just had a hunch) and won big yesterday. I’m going to take the Titans next week because they’ve been way better than the Pats over the past month. But I’m not ready to declare the Patriots dynasty dead just yet though. They had a similar week 17 loss to Miami in 2015 that cost them homefield that year (they would go on to lose at Denver in the AFC championship), but they then won the next three AFC titles. Brady didn’t look as washed then though. 

I think there is a big difference between losing out on home field and losing out on a first round bye. There was more on the line yesterday. And, yeah....Brady's an average qb at best right now. Wasn't the case four years ago obviously.

Congrats on the money line pick! 

Ledbetterman10

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Nice win by the Dolphins! Fitzpatrick had his way with them. Especially on the game-winning drive. 

Ryan Fitzpatrick is my betting kryptonite. Any game he's a part of I never win. Yet I never learn. He's the modern day Stoney Case. Of course he screws with the ol' Pats second half line. Should've known better.


As someone who has enjoyed winning money on New England games for such a long time, I am hesitant to say this but.....I think the end is here for them. Don't recall them laying such an egg to such a team with so much on the line. Titans will give them all they can handle.

I took the Dolphins moneyline (just had a hunch) and won big yesterday. I’m going to take the Titans next week because they’ve been way better than the Pats over the past month. But I’m not ready to declare the Patriots dynasty dead just yet though. They had a similar week 17 loss to Miami in 2015 that cost them homefield that year (they would go on to lose at Denver in the AFC championship), but they then won the next three AFC titles. Brady didn’t look as washed then though. 

I think there is a big difference between losing out on home field and losing out on a first round bye. There was more on the line yesterday. And, yeah....Brady's an average qb at best right now. Wasn't the case four years ago obviously.

Congrats on the money line pick! 

Was looking to place one more bet on my Dolphins. Very pleasing (and lucrative!) win. 

MayDay10

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Nice win by the Dolphins! Fitzpatrick had his way with them. Especially on the game-winning drive. 

Ryan Fitzpatrick is my betting kryptonite. Any game he's a part of I never win. Yet I never learn. He's the modern day Stoney Case. Of course he screws with the ol' Pats second half line. Should've known better.


As someone who has enjoyed winning money on New England games for such a long time, I am hesitant to say this but.....I think the end is here for them. Don't recall them laying such an egg to such a team with so much on the line. Titans will give them all they can handle.

I took the Dolphins moneyline (just had a hunch) and won big yesterday. I’m going to take the Titans next week because they’ve been way better than the Pats over the past month. But I’m not ready to declare the Patriots dynasty dead just yet though. They had a similar week 17 loss to Miami in 2015 that cost them homefield that year (they would go on to lose at Denver in the AFC championship), but they then won the next three AFC titles. Brady didn’t look as washed then though. 

I think there is a big difference between losing out on home field and losing out on a first round bye. There was more on the line yesterday. And, yeah....Brady's an average qb at best right now. Wasn't the case four years ago obviously.

Congrats on the money line pick! 

Yeah.  the home game is half of it.  They desperately needed the bye week.  Rumors are that Edelman is really hurting bad, no Gronk, and Brady is also hurting/old.  

They havent looked this vulnerable through almost all of this run, and even the most staunch Patriots fans would admit this.  They havent looked all that great since week 3, and have lost 3 games in December.  
The 3 teams they will likely have to beat (Tenn, KC, and Balt) all appear to be in a better class right now.  Younger, faster, more athletic.  Even beyond Belichick's voodoo.  

Conversely, if the Pats smoke the Dolphins, rest some starters yesterday, have a week off, then host the Bills or Chiefs, then go to Baltimore, Id give them a good shot. 


The Pats' dynasty is in a huge state of flux after this. What will Brady do?  It seem as though he has been lining up for a demand for a commitment from New England.  Are they going to give it to him at the market rate for what Brady values himself?  Will Kraft veto Belichick and will Belichick quit?  Will McDaniels leave for a HC job?

I could totally see Belichick reinventing the Patriots post-Brady the same way Harbough has transformed the Ravens from Flacco to Jackson.  Brady wants to play there until he is 45 to push his fake TB12 serum.  Kraft has taken Brady's side before.

The Juggler

MayDay10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Nice win by the Dolphins! Fitzpatrick had his way with them. Especially on the game-winning drive. 

Ryan Fitzpatrick is my betting kryptonite. Any game he's a part of I never win. Yet I never learn. He's the modern day Stoney Case. Of course he screws with the ol' Pats second half line. Should've known better.


As someone who has enjoyed winning money on New England games for such a long time, I am hesitant to say this but.....I think the end is here for them. Don't recall them laying such an egg to such a team with so much on the line. Titans will give them all they can handle.

I took the Dolphins moneyline (just had a hunch) and won big yesterday. I’m going to take the Titans next week because they’ve been way better than the Pats over the past month. But I’m not ready to declare the Patriots dynasty dead just yet though. They had a similar week 17 loss to Miami in 2015 that cost them homefield that year (they would go on to lose at Denver in the AFC championship), but they then won the next three AFC titles. Brady didn’t look as washed then though. 

I think there is a big difference between losing out on home field and losing out on a first round bye. There was more on the line yesterday. And, yeah....Brady's an average qb at best right now. Wasn't the case four years ago obviously.

Congrats on the money line pick! 

Yeah.  the home game is half of it.  They desperately needed the bye week.  Rumors are that Edelman is really hurting bad, no Gronk, and Brady is also hurting/old.  

They havent looked this vulnerable through almost all of this run, and even the most staunch Patriots fans would admit this.  They havent looked all that great since week 3, and have lost 3 games in December.  
The 3 teams they will likely have to beat (Tenn, KC, and Balt) all appear to be in a better class right now.  Younger, faster, more athletic.  Even beyond Belichick's voodoo.  

Conversely, if the Pats smoke the Dolphins, rest some starters yesterday, have a week off, then host the Bills or Chiefs, then go to Baltimore, Id give them a good shot. 


The Pats' dynasty is in a huge state of flux after this. What will Brady do?  It seem as though he has been lining up for a demand for a commitment from New England.  Are they going to give it to him at the market rate for what Brady values himself?  Will Kraft veto Belichick and will Belichick quit?  Will McDaniels leave for a HC job?

I could totally see Belichick reinventing the Patriots post-Brady the same way Harbough has transformed the Ravens from Flacco to Jackson.  Brady wants to play there until he is 45 to push his fake TB12 serum.  Kraft has taken Brady's side before.

I agree with all of this. Brady should just retire at this point. 

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Nice win by the Dolphins! Fitzpatrick had his way with them. Especially on the game-winning drive. 

Ryan Fitzpatrick is my betting kryptonite. Any game he's a part of I never win. Yet I never learn. He's the modern day Stoney Case. Of course he screws with the ol' Pats second half line. Should've known better.


As someone who has enjoyed winning money on New England games for such a long time, I am hesitant to say this but.....I think the end is here for them. Don't recall them laying such an egg to such a team with so much on the line. Titans will give them all they can handle.

I took the Dolphins moneyline (just had a hunch) and won big yesterday. I’m going to take the Titans next week because they’ve been way better than the Pats over the past month. But I’m not ready to declare the Patriots dynasty dead just yet though. They had a similar week 17 loss to Miami in 2015 that cost them homefield that year (they would go on to lose at Denver in the AFC championship), but they then won the next three AFC titles. Brady didn’t look as washed then though. 

I think there is a big difference between losing out on home field and losing out on a first round bye. There was more on the line yesterday. And, yeah....Brady's an average qb at best right now. Wasn't the case four years ago obviously.

Congrats on the money line pick! 

Was looking to place one more bet on my Dolphins. Very pleasing (and lucrative!) win. 

They really turned things around down there in the second half. Flores did a good job. 

pjhawks

MayDay10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Nice win by the Dolphins! Fitzpatrick had his way with them. Especially on the game-winning drive. 

Ryan Fitzpatrick is my betting kryptonite. Any game he's a part of I never win. Yet I never learn. He's the modern day Stoney Case. Of course he screws with the ol' Pats second half line. Should've known better.


As someone who has enjoyed winning money on New England games for such a long time, I am hesitant to say this but.....I think the end is here for them. Don't recall them laying such an egg to such a team with so much on the line. Titans will give them all they can handle.

I took the Dolphins moneyline (just had a hunch) and won big yesterday. I’m going to take the Titans next week because they’ve been way better than the Pats over the past month. But I’m not ready to declare the Patriots dynasty dead just yet though. They had a similar week 17 loss to Miami in 2015 that cost them homefield that year (they would go on to lose at Denver in the AFC championship), but they then won the next three AFC titles. Brady didn’t look as washed then though. 

I think there is a big difference between losing out on home field and losing out on a first round bye. There was more on the line yesterday. And, yeah....Brady's an average qb at best right now. Wasn't the case four years ago obviously.

Congrats on the money line pick! 

Yeah.  the home game is half of it.  They desperately needed the bye week.  Rumors are that Edelman is really hurting bad, no Gronk, and Brady is also hurting/old.  

They havent looked this vulnerable through almost all of this run, and even the most staunch Patriots fans would admit this.  They havent looked all that great since week 3, and have lost 3 games in December.  
The 3 teams they will likely have to beat (Tenn, KC, and Balt) all appear to be in a better class right now.  Younger, faster, more athletic.  Even beyond Belichick's voodoo.  

Conversely, if the Pats smoke the Dolphins, rest some starters yesterday, have a week off, then host the Bills or Chiefs, then go to Baltimore, Id give them a good shot. 


The Pats' dynasty is in a huge state of flux after this. What will Brady do?  It seem as though he has been lining up for a demand for a commitment from New England.  Are they going to give it to him at the market rate for what Brady values himself?  Will Kraft veto Belichick and will Belichick quit?  Will McDaniels leave for a HC job?

I could totally see Belichick reinventing the Patriots post-Brady the same way Harbough has transformed the Ravens from Flacco to Jackson.  Brady wants to play there until he is 45 to push his fake TB12 serum.  Kraft has taken Brady's side before.

Pats will be in a really tough position if Brady wants to keep playing. You surely don’t want to treat the greatest of all time poorly but you also can’t give him unrealistic years and money. I can see both sides taking a hard line and if that  happens I don’t think it’s going to be an pretty divorce. My guess is he retires but that’s just an uneducated gut feeling.

Wobbie

ed243421 said:

Garrett fired

Belichek’s heir apparent?

Glorified KC

Belichick should try working for Jerry Jones.