This is my first post in this thread. I was trying to decide if I was on the atheists side of the argument or the theists. I couldn't decide which group had the more intelligent posts. Based on the spelling and grammar errors alone in the post I quoted, I have decided that I no longer believe in God......
I laughed when I first read this... but then I remembered that in A Life in Letters John Steinbeck said that he didn't pay much attention to punctuation or spelling because he was too busy formulating his thoughts and ideas and besides, he said, "That's why I have an editor." So try running your experiment again based on well formulated thoughts and ideas and see if you come up with anything different.
You can keep laughing. It wasn't just the spelling that made me formulate my opinion.
There is a chance that my mind may have been made up long before all the uneducated posts I was reading...
A movie( also post-apocalyptic ) that came out around the same time as Book of Eli but much much better is The Road. It stars Viggo Mortensen. It is one of the best movies from that year. A must see.
the problem i have with the road is, im a fan of cormac mccarthy and not a fan of movies made from books. but i am a fan of viggo mortensen so one day therell be enough distance between the book and the movie for me to watch it... thats just not now. but thank you for the recommendation.
Please do give it a chance. I know how you feel about books being made into movies. But this one is really worth watching. With so many shit movies out there these days, I feel like anyone who hasn't seen this movie is really missing out. The acting by both Viggo and the child that plays his son is phenomenal. And there is really no "cheese" throughout this movie. It is just a well told story that keeps you on the edge of your seat and really moves you.
If you do give it a chance, let me know what you think....10x better than Eli.
At the same that the 'founders' of the U.S. were busy preaching 'God', manifest destiny, and slaughtering the native population, Europeans were evolving intellectually and moving beyond this silly superstition.
Anyone reading this post could be forgiven for thinking that the last 200 years of Western philosophy, science and literature never happened.
It seems to me that you give every country that isn't the United States a free pass while throwing in a few nasty generalizations about Americans. You quickly point out the shortcomings of America and its peoples while giving Europe, the Middle East, South and East Asia a free pass. To me, you come across as being purposefully antagonistic with anybody who doesn't share your views.
It seems to me that you haven't been paying attention.
A movie( also post-apocalyptic ) that came out around the same time as Book of Eli but much much better is The Road. It stars Viggo Mortensen. It is one of the best movies from that year. A must see.
the problem i have with the road is, im a fan of cormac mccarthy and not a fan of movies made from books. but i am a fan of viggo mortensen so one day therell be enough distance between the book and the movie for me to watch it... thats just not now. but thank you for the recommendation.
Please do give it a chance. I know how you feel about books being made into movies. But this one is really worth watching. With so many shit movies out there these days, I feel like anyone who hasn't seen this movie is really missing out. The acting by both Viggo and the child that plays his son is phenomenal. And there is really no "cheese" throughout this movie. It is just a well told story that keeps you on the edge of your seat and really moves you.
If you do give it a chance, let me know what you think....10x better than Eli.
only 10%??? whats 10% of shit i wonder. :think: :P
ill give it a go. as i said i am a fan of mortensen... plus the kids an aussie.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Why don't people worry about themselves and how they are acting and their own personal relationship with God/god then spreading the good or bad onto people? People who believe and don't believe are both capable of being nasty and close minded. People who believe and don't believe have a sense of superiority as evident in this thread. The only person who made any sense, stated that none of us know for sure. For every argument, there's a counter argument. So lets move the fuck on.
I realize I state this knowing nobody gives a shit and this will never happen...ever.
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For every argument, there's a counter argument. So lets move the fuck on.
Sounds good to me!
noooo!!!
i want all the churchey people to admit "I don't know if there's a God" because I can't stand when people are being dishonest with a) themselves or b) other people.
All the atheists too, by the way.
I'm trying to seduce everyone into my agnostic reality tunnel.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Former Worldwide Church of God preacher says Jesus Christ is returning on May 27, 2012 and that today marks the end of time and beginning of "half time"
January 8, 2012 By God Discussion Reporter 38 Comments
Ronald Weinland, who considers himself a prophet of God, continues to warn that Jesus Christ is returning on May 27, 2012.
For those who do not believe him and mock his message, Weinland claims that they will die from cancer.
His website, Church of God – PKG, claims that various end times events were triggered by the scattering of the Worldwide Church of God after the death of its founder, Herbert W. Armstrong. With Armstrong no longer at the helm, Weinland claims he "is the pastor of God's Church on earth, has also been appointed by the God of Abraham to be His end-time prophet and one of the two end-time witnesses (and spokesman of both), preceding the return of Jesus Christ on May 27, 2012."
Under Armstrong, the Worldwide Church of God rejected the Christian notion of a trinity and followed Old Testament holy days and strict tithing rules that left people destitute. Armstrong and his followers believed that Jesus Christ would return to earth in 1975. It was considered by some to be a cult.
After Armstrong's death in 1986, the church began to change much of its theology. By April 2009, the Worldwide Church of God announced the official change of its name to Grace Communion International. These changes were deemed heretical by people like Weinland, who formed various splinter churches that believe that they remain true to Armstrong's teachings.
Even after the public ridicule of Harold Camping and his failed May 21, 2011 end times prophecy, Weinland has not backed down from his May 27 date.
The latest is that the earth is now in a "biblical half time" that begins today, January 8, 2012. According to his blog,
January 7, 2012, is another important occurrence for the timing of God’s work and end-time events. This date is an important crossroad in time as it ends a prophetically historic portion of time in Daniel that consists of a prophetic measure of “time” and “times” that began after Trumpets of 2009. January 8 of this year begins the final “half-a-time” of this full prophetic period known as “time, times, and half-a-time.” That day is the start of the final period of 140 days (half-a-time) that leads up to the very coming of the Messiah spoken of in those same prophecies of Daniel.
Weinland is also predicting that "the United States will collapse" and that there will be a nuclear war before May 27 this year. "The truth is ridiculed, ignored, slandered and mocked," he warns.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
This argument continues because of back and forth put downs
making fun of others beliefs, calling God a crutch, making those without God feel
like they are missing something, making those who believe feel inferior for
their faith.
instead of showing love and treating others with a little understanding
this both sides do
yet we all agree, I think, the world would be a better place
when we have a RAFT for each other
This argument continues because of back and forth put downs
making fun of others beliefs, calling God a crutch, making those without God feel
like they are missing something, making those who believe feel inferior for
their faith.
instead of showing love and treating others with a little understanding
this both sides do
yet we all agree, I think, the world would be a better place
when we have a RAFT for each other
Why don't people worry about themselves and how they are acting and their own personal relationship with God/god then spreading the good or bad onto people? People who believe and don't believe are both capable of being nasty and close minded. People who believe and don't believe have a sense of superiority as evident in this thread. The only person who made any sense, stated that none of us know for sure. For every argument, there's a counter argument. So lets move the fuck on.
I realize I state this knowing nobody gives a shit and this will never happen...ever.
I have relatives that did years in Japanese concentration camps. Tortured for years and lucky to eventually make it home. I have a great uncle who was in Germany for the liberation of Jewish concentration camps. After hearing their stories all my life it's clear to me if there is a God he's not worth praying to.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
I have relatives that did years in Japanese concentration camps. Tortured for years and lucky to eventually make it home. I have a great uncle who was in Germany for the liberation of Jewish concentration camps. After hearing their stories all my life it's clear to me if there is a God he's not worth praying to.
My father in law, who was like a father to me, also was a POW, in WWII
He and I would never conclude God had anything to do with what
human beings do to other human beings ... this is all on us
but God had everything to do with seeing him through
his hellish ordeal, giving him hope and the will to live,
the light in the darkest hour.
I do not understand blaming God for the life we lead
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I have relatives that did years in Japanese concentration camps. Tortured for years and lucky to eventually make it home. I have a great uncle who was in Germany for the liberation of Jewish concentration camps. After hearing their stories all my life it's clear to me if there is a God he's not worth praying to.
My father in law, who was like a father to me, also was a POW, in WWII
He and I would never conclude God had anything to do with what
human beings do to other human beings ... this is all on us
but God had everything to do with seeing him through
his hellish ordeal, giving him hope and the will to live,
the light in the darkest hour.
I do not understand blaming God for the life we lead
Don't you know we humans like to ALWAYS, always blame somebody or something for the things we humans do to each other. That's the way it is.....whatare you going do?
Peace
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Religious people say that God is All Knowing, All Good and All Powerful. Then how do things like the holocaust, rape, child abuse, genocide, etc... take place? If I were religious it would be hard to reconcile these things. What's the point of a God if he creates evil people and doesn't intervene when they start hurting other people he created?
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Religious people say that God is All Knowing, All Good and All Powerful. Then how do things like the holocaust, rape, child abuse, genocide, etc... take place? If I were religious it would be hard to reconcile these things. What's the point of a God if he creates evil people and doesn't intervene when they start hurting other people he created?
You feel then the point of God giving us life is to intervene in it?
in·ter·vene/ˌintərˈvēn/
Verb:
Come between so as to prevent or alter a result or course of events.
(of an event or circumstance) Occur as a delay or obstacle to something being done.
The point of us being here is the exact opposite of that, in my opinion.
How could we possibly learn, grow, evolve into anything better if we are controlled?
We were given a choice, each day we have one. A choice in how we will treat our fellow man.
With each negative action comes a reaction as with each positive. It's all up to us.
All the evil that humans do to each other is not in God's hands but ours.
All we must do to stop evil is learn to love each other and fill our hearts with
compassion for each other. Doesn't sound difficult but it seems to be very hard to do.
This is a hypocritical statement by most religious people. You cannot both claim god is innocent of how humans live and the things we do badly in life, yet claim his gospel for the good things that occur. Most religious people claim troubles in their lives to be gods' tests of some sort, yet praise him in the same for their triumphs. If humans are made in gods' image and god has a divine plan from creation til death (for all in the universe that exists), there absolutely has to be some responsibility and input for what god has planned and what humans do individually. You can't have both god's will and free will...and religion points to god's will which would emphasize that people have predetermined destiny and little control of what will happen. This is another reason why praying is a silly notion because if you believe in these concepts, all you're really doing is trying to put yourself at ease in hopes that your words somehow are heard and translate to some specific hope you wish to see come true. But if everything is preordained by god, praying may either be a waste of time cause it's predetermined or you're asking god to change his plan. None of it really coincides nor adds up to some sort of orderly plan.
I do not understand blaming God for the life we lead
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
This is a hypocritical statement by most religious people. You cannot both claim god is innocent of how humans live and the things we do badly in life, yet claim his gospel for the good things that occur. Most religious people claim troubles in their lives to be gods' tests of some sort, yet praise him in the same for their triumphs. If humans are made in gods' image and god has a divine plan from creation til death (for all in the universe that exists), there absolutely has to be some responsibility and input for what god has planned and what humans do individually. You can't have both god's will and free will...and religion points to god's will which would emphasize that people have predetermined destiny and little control of what will happen. This is another reason why praying is a silly notion because if you believe in these concepts, all you're really doing is trying to put yourself at ease in hopes that your words somehow are heard and translate to some specific hope you wish to see come true. But if everything is preordained by god, praying may either be a waste of time cause it's predetermined or you're asking god to change his plan. None of it really coincides nor adds up to some sort of orderly plan.
Religious people say that God is All Knowing, All Good and All Powerful. Then how do things like the holocaust, rape, child abuse, genocide, etc... take place? If I were religious it would be hard to reconcile these things. What's the point of a God if he creates evil people and doesn't intervene when they start hurting other people he created?
serious ? we were all given the power of reason...oldest question in the book...read the book and find out bro.
This is a hypocritical statement by most religious people. You cannot both claim god is innocent of how humans live and the things we do badly in life, yet claim his gospel for the good things that occur. Most religious people claim troubles in their lives to be gods' tests of some sort, yet praise him in the same for their triumphs. If humans are made in gods' image and god has a divine plan from creation til death (for all in the universe that exists), there absolutely has to be some responsibility and input for what god has planned and what humans do individually. You can't have both god's will and free will...and religion points to god's will which would emphasize that people have predetermined destiny and little control of what will happen. This is another reason why praying is a silly notion because if you believe in these concepts, all you're really doing is trying to put yourself at ease in hopes that your words somehow are heard and translate to some specific hope you wish to see come true. But if everything is preordained by god, praying may either be a waste of time cause it's predetermined or you're asking god to change his plan. None of it really coincides nor adds up to some sort of orderly plan.
I do not understand blaming God for the life we lead
For me who is not religious follows no religion yet believes in God and the plan
the plan is just that we are and God IS (that is will)
we are here to make our own choices ( free will) walk our path and learn from it.
Knowing God and God's love is the icing on the cake but it changes not the plan in place.
In my opinion we have both God's will which is US and our free will which is what
we need to have to connect to each other and to learn evolve and grow.
I do believe in speaking with God when one feels lost
this can help one to find their way and to find strength to overcome
when they feel they can not.
Often even non believers do this in times of crisis.
It's all good.... it's alright.
If one stops blaming God then God is just a friend.
This is a hypocritical statement by most religious people. You cannot both claim god is innocent of how humans live and the things we do badly in life, yet claim his gospel for the good things that occur. Most religious people claim troubles in their lives to be gods' tests of some sort, yet praise him in the same for their triumphs. If humans are made in gods' image and god has a divine plan from creation til death (for all in the universe that exists), there absolutely has to be some responsibility and input for what god has planned and what humans do individually. You can't have both god's will and free will...and religion points to god's will which would emphasize that people have predetermined destiny and little control of what will happen. This is another reason why praying is a silly notion because if you believe in these concepts, all you're really doing is trying to put yourself at ease in hopes that your words somehow are heard and translate to some specific hope you wish to see come true. But if everything is preordained by god, praying may either be a waste of time cause it's predetermined or you're asking god to change his plan. None of it really coincides nor adds up to some sort of orderly plan.
I do not understand blaming God for the life we lead
For me who is not religious follows no religion yet believes in God and the plan
the plan is just that we are and God IS (that is will)
we are here to make our own choices ( free will) walk our path and learn from it.
Knowing God and God's love is the icing on the cake but it changes not the plan in place.
In my opinion we have both God's will which is US and our free will which is what
we need to have to connect to each other and to learn evolve and grow.
I do believe in speaking with God when one feels lost
this can help one to find their way and to find strength to overcome
when they feel they can not.
Often even non believers do this in times of crisis.
It's all good.... it's alright.
If one stops blaming God then God is just a friend.
You should be handing out pamphlets on Hollywood boulevard.
Which book? A lot of groups claim to have God's book. I guess it depends what country you were born in. Have you read all the books or studied all the religions? How do you know if your God is the real God?
Religious people say that God is All Knowing, All Good and All Powerful. Then how do things like the holocaust, rape, child abuse, genocide, etc... take place? If I were religious it would be hard to reconcile these things. What's the point of a God if he creates evil people and doesn't intervene when they start hurting other people he created?
serious ? we were all given the power of reason...oldest question in the book...read the book and find out bro.
Godfather.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
For me who is not religious follows no religion yet believes in God and the plan
the plan is just that we are and God IS (that is will)
we are here to make our own choices ( free will) walk our path and learn from it.
Knowing God and God's love is the icing on the cake but it changes not the plan in place.
In my opinion we have both God's will which is US and our free will which is what
we need to have to connect to each other and to learn evolve and grow.
I do believe in speaking with God when one feels lost
this can help one to find their way and to find strength to overcome
when they feel they can not.
Often even non believers do this in times of crisis.
It's all good.... it's alright.
If one stops blaming God then God is just a friend.
You should be handing out pamphlets on Hollywood boulevard.
I'm a fan of Hollywood some of my very best memories don't ya know
Am I misunderstand this or are you saying that even nonreligious people believe in god's and his plan? Anyways, I'm more of a Nihlist so that pretty much ignores the whole "plan" and "gods will" notion.
And much of what you say comes from a good place, but completely ignores the large portion of the world that lives in absolute awful circumstances whether it's poverty, crime, corruption or sickness. What does god give or have planned for the person who dies at age 6 and lives a life of awful destitute and ill? Or perhaps the victims of murder or rape in a lawless land? Is this god's plan...the same one you pat god on the back for? Doesn't seem like something worth compliments to me.
And as for speaking with god, people's fear and weak-natured mindset usually allows for such things. We'd all like to think there's a Santa Claus spreading joy and gifts to those in the world who are "good", but we only feed that bs to kids cause they're naive enough to believe it. Something that brings ease or comfort to us as humans, doesn't make it anything more than that. It's just talking ourselves into an idea to relieve/ease our stress or problems. Addicts (drugs and alcohol) feed their needs with those crutches as well. And that's also why Marx refers to religion as the opiate of the masses.
Anyways, in regards to god as a friend... I for one never had an imaginary friend when I was a child, but as I grew up, I notice a lot more adults do this compared to children.
For me who is not religious follows no religion yet believes in God and the plan
the plan is just that we are and God IS (that is will)
we are here to make our own choices ( free will) walk our path and learn from it.
Knowing God and God's love is the icing on the cake but it changes not the plan in place.
In my opinion we have both God's will which is US and our free will which is what
we need to have to connect to each other and to learn evolve and grow.
I do believe in speaking with God when one feels lost
this can help one to find their way and to find strength to overcome
when they feel they can not.
Often even non believers do this in times of crisis.
It's all good.... it's alright.
If one stops blaming God then God is just a friend.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Which book? A lot of groups claim to have God's book. I guess it depends what country you were born in. Have you read all the books or studied all the religions? How do you know if your God is the real God?
Religious people say that God is All Knowing, All Good and All Powerful. Then how do things like the holocaust, rape, child abuse, genocide, etc... take place? If I were religious it would be hard to reconcile these things. What's the point of a God if he creates evil people and doesn't intervene when they start hurting other people he created?
serious ? we were all given the power of reason...oldest question in the book...read the book and find out bro.
Godfather.
good question, how do you and others know that there is no God though ?
two sided coin I guess.
good question, how do you and others know that there is no God though ?
two sided coin I guess.
Godfather.
I only believe in what can be proven. It is impossible to prove a negative, just like you can't prove Zeus never existed, etc etc..
Until there is evidence something exists, I don't believe in it. Quite simple!
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
I don't like absolute answers in life mostly because there's very little that's absolute. Perhaps there is a god, but I would never believe something significant simply based off of faith.
good question, how do you and others know that there is no God though ?
two sided coin I guess.
Godfather.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Am I misunderstand this or are you saying that even nonreligious people believe in god's and his plan? Anyways, I'm more of a Nihlist so that pretty much ignores the whole "plan" and "gods will" notion.
And much of what you say comes from a good place, but completely ignores the large portion of the world that lives in absolute awful circumstances whether it's poverty, crime, corruption or sickness. What does god give or have planned for the person who dies at age 6 and lives a life of awful destitute and ill? Or perhaps the victims of murder or rape in a lawless land? Is this god's plan...the same one you pat god on the back for? Doesn't seem like something worth compliments to me.
And as for speaking with god, people's fear and weak-natured mindset usually allows for such things. We'd all like to think there's a Santa Claus spreading joy and gifts to those in the world who are "good", but we only feed that bs to kids cause they're naive enough to believe it. Something that brings ease or comfort to us as humans, doesn't make it anything more than that. It's just talking ourselves into an idea to relieve/ease our stress or problems. Addicts (drugs and alcohol) feed their needs with those crutches[/i] as well. And that's also why Marx refers to religion as the opiate of the masses.
Anyways, in regards to god as a friend... I for one never had an imaginary friend when I was a child, but as I grew up, I notice a lot more adults do this compared to children.
Gods plan is US with choices, choices that are cause and effect, choices that bring love
and strength and this is how we are to learn grow and evolve.
So yes one can be nonreligious and believe just that.
If one believes in eternal life
this life is a fraction of that and what we are.
The 6 year old dies... 'it is not dying it is leaving this world '
what response does that cause, how does that make us feel?
What will we do to bring a change? Who will we reach out to?
What will we feel and learn on our path touched by this child?
We are all connected.
It is US that has made this world for this 6 year old.
It is in our power to change it together.
Your words are character put down for others ....
saying those of faith are somehow inferior.
I feel love is strength as God's love is strength, no weakness about it.
This perpetuates problems though when you accuse others of weakness
Throw a RAFT please to those of different beliefs
R .. Respect
A .. Appreciation
F .. Forgiveness
T .. Trust
There was some mention of evolving earlier in this thread that I thought hard about. I don't know why anyone would choose to keep themselves stuck, closely following the guidelines of an outdated book...I hope more can evolve with the times.
Ok so let me decipher your message... it is ok to preach gods love and joy and "plan" in the guise of evolving, change, spreading/sharing god's love and somehow intertwine your personal beliefs of a god upon everyone else in society, but if a person states their 2 cents about why they do not believe in a god or why they believe others do, that's insensitive or disrespectful? Call me crazy but this is not "tolerance" but intolerance, as you have no real place for describing people who do not believe in any form in a god or your version of such, without demeaning it to some fit some characterization your own beliefs. Look at the original post.. where's the tolerance for people who don't believe such? How come no "RAFT" comments there? Reality is when people who believe in god have their beliefs challenged, they do no preach tolerance, they get defensive and tell others to be tolerant instead of being tolerant themselves. Ever hear the saying, if you're a hammer, everything in life looks like nail? This is exactly what you are doing.. you take everyone's belief or lack their of, and mold it to fit your own personal beliefs. So for your silly acronym, there's a lack of respect, appreciation, forgiveness and trust. I'd prefer people just be direct and call a spade a spade if they belief it rather than try and project a false sense of others beliefs and tolerance.
As for that 6 yr old, it's quite easy to simply pass everything off in the world as human made and fixable by them, while letting a god off the hook.. it's a cop-out in my opinion.
Gods plan is US with choices, choices that are cause and effect, choices that bring love
and strength and this is how we are to learn grow and evolve.
So yes one can be nonreligious and believe just that.
If one believes in eternal life
this life is a fraction of that and what we are.
The 6 year old dies... 'it is not dying it is leaving this world '
what response does that cause, how does that make us feel?
What will we do to bring a change? Who will we reach out to?
What will we feel and learn on our path touched by this child?
We are all connected.
It is US that has made this world for this 6 year old.
It is in our power to change it together.
Your words are character put down for others ....
saying those of faith are somehow inferior.
I feel love is strength as God's love is strength, no weakness about it.
This perpetuates problems though when you accuse others of weakness
Throw a RAFT please to those of different beliefs
R .. Respect
A .. Appreciation
F .. Forgiveness
T .. Trust
and they will do the same
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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You can keep laughing. It wasn't just the spelling that made me formulate my opinion.
There is a chance that my mind may have been made up long before all the uneducated posts I was reading...
Please do give it a chance. I know how you feel about books being made into movies. But this one is really worth watching. With so many shit movies out there these days, I feel like anyone who hasn't seen this movie is really missing out. The acting by both Viggo and the child that plays his son is phenomenal. And there is really no "cheese" throughout this movie. It is just a well told story that keeps you on the edge of your seat and really moves you.
If you do give it a chance, let me know what you think....10x better than Eli.
It seems to me that you haven't been paying attention.
only 10%??? whats 10% of shit i wonder. :think: :P
ill give it a go. as i said i am a fan of mortensen... plus the kids an aussie.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I realize I state this knowing nobody gives a shit and this will never happen...ever.
Sounds good to me!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
noooo!!!
i want all the churchey people to admit "I don't know if there's a God" because I can't stand when people are being dishonest with a) themselves or b) other people.
All the atheists too, by the way.
I'm trying to seduce everyone into my agnostic reality tunnel.
http://www.goddiscussion.com/88544/form ... half-time/
Former Worldwide Church of God preacher says Jesus Christ is returning on May 27, 2012 and that today marks the end of time and beginning of "half time"
January 8, 2012 By God Discussion Reporter 38 Comments
Ronald Weinland, who considers himself a prophet of God, continues to warn that Jesus Christ is returning on May 27, 2012.
For those who do not believe him and mock his message, Weinland claims that they will die from cancer.
His website, Church of God – PKG, claims that various end times events were triggered by the scattering of the Worldwide Church of God after the death of its founder, Herbert W. Armstrong. With Armstrong no longer at the helm, Weinland claims he "is the pastor of God's Church on earth, has also been appointed by the God of Abraham to be His end-time prophet and one of the two end-time witnesses (and spokesman of both), preceding the return of Jesus Christ on May 27, 2012."
Under Armstrong, the Worldwide Church of God rejected the Christian notion of a trinity and followed Old Testament holy days and strict tithing rules that left people destitute. Armstrong and his followers believed that Jesus Christ would return to earth in 1975. It was considered by some to be a cult.
After Armstrong's death in 1986, the church began to change much of its theology. By April 2009, the Worldwide Church of God announced the official change of its name to Grace Communion International. These changes were deemed heretical by people like Weinland, who formed various splinter churches that believe that they remain true to Armstrong's teachings.
Even after the public ridicule of Harold Camping and his failed May 21, 2011 end times prophecy, Weinland has not backed down from his May 27 date.
The latest is that the earth is now in a "biblical half time" that begins today, January 8, 2012. According to his blog,
January 7, 2012, is another important occurrence for the timing of God’s work and end-time events. This date is an important crossroad in time as it ends a prophetically historic portion of time in Daniel that consists of a prophetic measure of “time” and “times” that began after Trumpets of 2009. January 8 of this year begins the final “half-a-time” of this full prophetic period known as “time, times, and half-a-time.” That day is the start of the final period of 140 days (half-a-time) that leads up to the very coming of the Messiah spoken of in those same prophecies of Daniel.
Weinland is also predicting that "the United States will collapse" and that there will be a nuclear war before May 27 this year. "The truth is ridiculed, ignored, slandered and mocked," he warns.
making fun of others beliefs, calling God a crutch, making those without God feel
like they are missing something, making those who believe feel inferior for
their faith.
instead of showing love and treating others with a little understanding
this both sides do
yet we all agree, I think, the world would be a better place
when we have a RAFT for each other
we all deserve a RAFT ... whatever our beliefs
R respect
A appreciation
F forgiveness
T trust
WE can save the world!
Godfather.
This post makes way too much sense. :thumbup:
He and I would never conclude God had anything to do with what
human beings do to other human beings ... this is all on us
but God had everything to do with seeing him through
his hellish ordeal, giving him hope and the will to live,
the light in the darkest hour.
I do not understand blaming God for the life we lead
Don't you know we humans like to ALWAYS, always blame somebody or something for the things we humans do to each other. That's the way it is.....whatare you going do?
Peace
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in·ter·vene/ˌintərˈvēn/
Verb:
Come between so as to prevent or alter a result or course of events.
(of an event or circumstance) Occur as a delay or obstacle to something being done.
The point of us being here is the exact opposite of that, in my opinion.
How could we possibly learn, grow, evolve into anything better if we are controlled?
We were given a choice, each day we have one. A choice in how we will treat our fellow man.
With each negative action comes a reaction as with each positive. It's all up to us.
All the evil that humans do to each other is not in God's hands but ours.
All we must do to stop evil is learn to love each other and fill our hearts with
compassion for each other. Doesn't sound difficult but it seems to be very hard to do.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Some people that praise god also blame him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYdkmrshFrc
Godfather.
the plan is just that we are and God IS (that is will)
we are here to make our own choices ( free will) walk our path and learn from it.
Knowing God and God's love is the icing on the cake but it changes not the plan in place.
In my opinion we have both God's will which is US and our free will which is what
we need to have to connect to each other and to learn evolve and grow.
I do believe in speaking with God when one feels lost
this can help one to find their way and to find strength to overcome
when they feel they can not.
Often even non believers do this in times of crisis.
It's all good.... it's alright.
If one stops blaming God then God is just a friend.
You should be handing out pamphlets on Hollywood boulevard.
And much of what you say comes from a good place, but completely ignores the large portion of the world that lives in absolute awful circumstances whether it's poverty, crime, corruption or sickness. What does god give or have planned for the person who dies at age 6 and lives a life of awful destitute and ill? Or perhaps the victims of murder or rape in a lawless land? Is this god's plan...the same one you pat god on the back for? Doesn't seem like something worth compliments to me.
And as for speaking with god, people's fear and weak-natured mindset usually allows for such things. We'd all like to think there's a Santa Claus spreading joy and gifts to those in the world who are "good", but we only feed that bs to kids cause they're naive enough to believe it. Something that brings ease or comfort to us as humans, doesn't make it anything more than that. It's just talking ourselves into an idea to relieve/ease our stress or problems. Addicts (drugs and alcohol) feed their needs with those crutches as well. And that's also why Marx refers to religion as the opiate of the masses.
Anyways, in regards to god as a friend... I for one never had an imaginary friend when I was a child, but as I grew up, I notice a lot more adults do this compared to children.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
good question, how do you and others know that there is no God though ?
two sided coin I guess.
Godfather.
Until there is evidence something exists, I don't believe in it. Quite simple!
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
and strength and this is how we are to learn grow and evolve.
So yes one can be nonreligious and believe just that.
If one believes in eternal life
this life is a fraction of that and what we are.
The 6 year old dies... 'it is not dying it is leaving this world '
what response does that cause, how does that make us feel?
What will we do to bring a change? Who will we reach out to?
What will we feel and learn on our path touched by this child?
We are all connected.
It is US that has made this world for this 6 year old.
It is in our power to change it together.
Your words are character put down for others ....
saying those of faith are somehow inferior.
I feel love is strength as God's love is strength, no weakness about it.
This perpetuates problems though when you accuse others of weakness
Throw a RAFT please to those of different beliefs
R .. Respect
A .. Appreciation
F .. Forgiveness
T .. Trust
and they will do the same
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/ ... e-and-sex/
There was some mention of evolving earlier in this thread that I thought hard about. I don't know why anyone would choose to keep themselves stuck, closely following the guidelines of an outdated book...I hope more can evolve with the times.
As for that 6 yr old, it's quite easy to simply pass everything off in the world as human made and fixable by them, while letting a god off the hook.. it's a cop-out in my opinion.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis