Penn State Scandal

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JonnyPistachio wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

HARRISBURG, Pa. -- A defense attorney for accused child molester Jerry Sandusky has claimed that the former Penn State assistant football coach showered with young boys in order to teach them how to wash properly.

In an interview with WHTM-TV in Harrisburg, Pa., attorney Karl Rominger attempted to explain the 67-year-old Sandusky's admitted habit of showering with boys after football camps that he ran through his charity for disadvantaged children, The Second Mile.
"Some of these kids don't have basic hygiene skills," Rominger said. 

"Teaching a person to shower at the age of 12 or 14 sounds strange to some people, but people who work with troubled youth will tell you there are a lot of juvenile delinquents and people who are dependent who have to be taught basic life skills like how to put soap on their body."

Sandusky has admitted in televised interviews that he showered with boys, but denies the behavior was sexual in nature.

Yes, because logic would say that fixing a kids bad hygiene by an adult showering with him makes sense :? :roll:

Next, we'll have Sex-Ed where the teachers demonstrate a world class hummer under safe circumstances!

excellent!

comebackgirl

I've worked with "troubled youth"...and taught them daily living skills including hygiene skills...but never once showered with them. I had no idea I had been doing it wrong all those years! :oops:

norm

comebackgirl wrote:

I've worked with "troubled youth"...and taught them daily living skills including hygiene skills...but never once showered with them. I had no idea I had been doing it wrong all those years! :oops:

and i'm quite a few of them would have loved for you to teach them "proper" hygiene :P

Bronx Bombers

Did anyone catch what sanduskys lawyer said the other day, this is pretty funny.

http://deadspin.com/5867633/sanduskys-l ... e-sex-line

comebackgirl

norm wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I've worked with "troubled youth"...and taught them daily living skills including hygiene skills...but never once showered with them. I had no idea I had been doing it wrong all those years! :oops:

and i'm quite a few of them would have loved for you to teach them "proper" hygiene :P

If only I had known the right way to do it! Damn!


Sandusky and his lawyer just need to shut the fuck up

g under p

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Did anyone catch what sanduskys lawyer said the other day, this is pretty funny.

http://deadspin.com/5867633/sanduskys-l ... i-suggest-
you-dial-1%20800%20reality-thats-a-gay-
phone-sex-line

Well the weirdness of this case can't get any stranger. It only cost 99 cents per call to get your reality. Wow!

Peace

g under p

comebackgirl wrote:

I've worked with "troubled youth"...and taught them daily living skills including hygiene skills...but never once showered with them. I had no idea I had been doing it wrong all those years! :oops:

I've the same for my before and after school program and showed the children how to shower properly with clothes on in my classroom. Even discussed why we need to take showers, how to groom themselves trim their nails etc. All can be done without exposing oneself to teens. This seems like a reach from Sandusky's lawyer.

Peace

norm

Penn State assistant football coach Mike McQueary testified Friday during a preliminary hearing for two school officials accused of lying to a grand jury about the child sex-abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky that he told school administrators he saw Sandusky sexually molesting a boy but said he wasn't certain that it was intercourse.

He testified Friday about what he saw at a preliminary hearing for former Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and former senior vice president Gary Schultz. They are accused of providing inaccurate information to a Pennsylvania grand jury and failing to report allegations of child sex abuse involving former assistant coach Sandusky to law enforcement authorities.

McQueary said he watched for a couple of seconds from about six feet away before turning away in disgust, he testified.

"I heard rhythmic slapping sounds, two or three slaps that sounded like skin on skin. I was already alarmed, embarrassed. I believe he was sexually molesting the boy," McQueary said in court.

McQueary said he was so horrified he called his father, who told him to tell coach Joe Paterno, which McQueary did.

McQueary said he described what he saw and that he told Paterno that Sandusky was in a "sexual" act with the child and described it as "extremely sexual." McQueary testified that he did not give Paterno explicit details of what he believed he'd seen, saying he wouldn't have used terms like sodomy out of respect for the longtime coach. He said he described it as "rough positioning" of Sandusky and the boy.

Paterno told him, "I'm sorry you had to see that" and that he had "done the absolute right thing," McQueary said, who added that Paterno "slumped back in his chair."

Ten days after speaking with Paterno, he said, he met with Curley and Schultz.

"There is no question in my mind that I conveyed to them that I saw Jerry Sandusky in the showers with a boy and there was severe sexual acts going on and it was wrong and over the line," he said in court. But he said he did not use the words "anal intercourse" or "sodomy."

McQueary said Schultz never followed up with him but that neither Schultz nor Curley told him not to talk to anyone.

When asked why he didn't go to police, he said Schultz had overseen the campus police."I thought I was talking to the head of the police, to be frank with you," he said.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... g-boy.html

Bronx Bombers

McQueary makes me sick i still cant comprehend how the fuck he could just walk away and leave that kid with that monster.

Monster Rain

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/f ... t=hp_t2_a3

He said he peeked into the shower several times and that the last time he looked in, Sandusky and the boy had separated. He said he didn't say anything, but "I know they saw me. They looked directly in my eye, both of them."

That's his idea of making sure it was stopped (per his e-mail)?

Bronx Bombers

Paternos quote

"I didn't push Mike ... because he was very upset," Paterno said. "I knew Mike was upset, and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster."


You would think Joe wouldve asked for more details but of course he was too wrapped up in his quest for the all time wins record to let a little child rape get in the way.  

Paterno and McQueary did nothing to stop him and kept turning a blind eye when Sandusky would show up with more kids. It has been reported that Sandusky attended a closed practice in 2007 with another 10 year old. Both these assholes  would've seem him and known he was there but they just turned a blind eye and enabled him to rape more children. 

Cliffy6745

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Paternos quote

"I didn't push Mike ... because he was very upset," Paterno said. "I knew Mike was upset, and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster."


You would think Joe wouldve asked for more details but of course he was too wrapped up in his quest for the all time wins record to let a little child rape get in the way.  

Paterno and McQueary did nothing to stop him and kept turning a blind eye when Sandusky would show up with more kids. It has been reported that Sandusky attended a closed practice in 2007 with another 10 year old. Both these assholes  would've seem him and known he was there but they just turned a blind eye and enabled him to rape more children. 

McQueary also said today, under oath, that he never saw Sandusky around the program with a kid after that happened.

chadwick

i want my money back and i want it now.

so today i went out to have a salad for lunch after swimming. the dining establishment where i was having this healthy bite had their large ass television on which is no surprise beings it is always on anyhow. so earlier today i was trying to eat my salad and all i could hear was this Sandusky bullshit.

as i am sipping my coffee and forking in some lettuce, black olives, carrots, and other vegetables i had the misfortune of hearing the news anchor describe in a graphic nature what McQueary had seen in the showers.

im like jesus christ, people, can we turn the god damn channel around here? fuck. im trying to eat my fucking lunch in peace. stupid bastards...

Sandusky owes me my salad money back. i want my fucking $10.00 you piece of scum.

Bronx Bombers

Mike Francesca interview with PSU alum Kim Jones a few weeks ago. Here's a snippet regarding that incident but I would read the whole thing it was very good.

Francesca: Here’s what were talking about at the press conference today, Kelly took a question about a 2007 incident.

Reporter: In 2007at the football practice Jerry Sandusky allegedly attending with a child, you would think the graduate assistant and the head coach would have seen him at that time with that child. Does that increase their responsibility or culpability report that?

Attorney General Kelly: That’s an interesting question. I think that is something that might have to be addressed down the line.

Francesa:  She obviously had not heard that, nor had we before that. He was at practice in 2007 with a child, Mcqueary and Paterno at a closed practice. Now, if you’ve been to a closed practice, and I have, there are not a lot of people. There are no strangers there.  Everyone’s accounted for. If a stranger’s there, he’s thrown out.  That’s why it’s a closed practice.  He obviously had to call in advance to say he was coming, or he had carte blanche to walk in and out of practice any time he wanted, he was Jerry Sandusky. He had been the pillar of the program for 23 years, but he walked in with a child in 2007--that makes Paterno and Mcquaery incredibly culpable and she did not dismiss them.  You know Paterno a lot better than I do. Do you think it’s blind loyalty? Do you think it’s naivety?  Do you think he went that far to protect the Paterno-Penn State brand? He’s at least guilty of those things, what do you think it is?

http://ology.com/sports/full-transcript ... l/11092011

Cliffy6745

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Mike Francesca interview with PSU alum Kim Jones a few weeks ago. Here's a snippet regarding that incident but I would read the whole thing it was very good.

Francesca: Here’s what were talking about at the press conference today, Kelly took a question about a 2007 incident.

Reporter: In 2007at the football practice Jerry Sandusky allegedly attending with a child, you would think the graduate assistant and the head coach would have seen him at that time with that child. Does that increase their responsibility or culpability report that?

Attorney General Kelly: That’s an interesting question. I think that is something that might have to be addressed down the line.

Francesa:  She obviously had not heard that, nor had we before that. He was at practice in 2007 with a child, Mcqueary and Paterno at a closed practice. Now, if you’ve been to a closed practice, and I have, there are not a lot of people. There are no strangers there.  Everyone’s accounted for. If a stranger’s there, he’s thrown out.  That’s why it’s a closed practice.  He obviously had to call in advance to say he was coming, or he had carte blanche to walk in and out of practice any time he wanted, he was Jerry Sandusky. He had been the pillar of the program for 23 years, but he walked in with a child in 2007--that makes Paterno and Mcquaery incredibly culpable and she did not dismiss them.  You know Paterno a lot better than I do. Do you think it’s blind loyalty? Do you think it’s naivety?  Do you think he went that far to protect the Paterno-Penn State brand? He’s at least guilty of those things, what do you think it is?

http://ology.com/sports/full-transcript ... l/11092011

I will check it out. Lots of PSU Alum on the Yankees beat. Kim Jones and Sweeney.

davidtrios

Penn State rejects CNN request for records on 1998 Sandusky investigation

Penn State has rejected a CNN public records request for a copy of a 1998 campus police report tied to sexual misconduct allegations made against then-assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, a lawyer for the school told CNN.

Amy Elizabeth McCall, an assistant general counsel, asserted in a letter to CNN that Penn State is "a state-related institution" and not a "state school" like some in other states, and therefore does not have the same public records requirements as other public institutions.

"Because the 1998 investigation did not result in any criminal charges, it is not criminal history information and the university's police are thus required by law to keep that information within the police department," McCall wrote.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/19/justice/p ... ml?npt=NP1


DEAR PENN ST, STOP TRYING TO CONTINUE TO COVER UP FOR YOUR CHILD RAPIST EX-COACH.

:evil:

Bronx Bombers

LaVar Arrington says he is done with Penn State.

Reached hours before reports surfaced that Bill O'Brien would be named the Nittany Lions' next head coach, Arrington and other prominent lettermen insisted that if Penn State departed from the football family in naming Joe Paterno's successor, some would sever ties with their alma mater.



LaVar Arrington didn't mince words when asked about the possibility of a coach with no Penn State ties being hired.

"I will put my Butkus (Award) in storage. I will put my Alamo Bowl MVP trophy in storage," Arrington said. "Jerseys, anything Penn State, in storage. Wherever Tom Bradley goes, that's the school I will start to put memorabilia up in my home. I'm done. I'm done with Penn State. If they're done with us, I'm done with them."

In an overwhelming show of support for Bradley, the longtime defensive coordinator who served as interim head coach for the past two months, Arrington was joined by other former lettermen who said they were outraged the committee would overlook the values and traditions that made their Penn State experiences so meaningful. 

"By these people making the decisions the way that they are making them, basically coinciding with everything that's being written about our university, if they get rid of Tom Bradley, that means they in essence have accepted the fact that we are all guilty," Arrington said. "You might as well call it all the same thing. 

"What we stood for and what we represented for so long, what we have been taught, what we have been trained to know and the values that I raise my own children with, you're basically telling me it's good, only as long as times are good."

Said former All-American linebacker Brandon Short, "I don't want to be affiliated with the university if they don't choose a Penn State guy because of our standards, our graduation, all the things that have been important... it's no longer Penn State, so we might as well be in the SEC. They are intent on turning it into a booster culture. Ira Lubert went out and purchased a national title with wrestling and he's under the illusion that he can do that in football. Well, ask (Redskins owner) Dan Snyder about that."

"Penn State is a family and it is real and if they choose to get rid of Bradley and not hire a Penn State coach, then they've turned their backs on our entire family."

Arrington and Short are not the only former Penn State All-Americans to offer their support for Bradley in an effort to maintain the standards and practices that have defined the university's football program for decades. D.J. Dozier, a 1986 All-American, acknowledged that Penn State's standard of excellence goes well beyond the football field for its players. 

Though Dozier said he and other lettermen had not been directly consulted for their input on the coaching search at any point in the process, a meeting was planned for Friday afternoon with Short and acting athletic director Dave Joyner. Still, he speculated that many other former lettermen continue to ask themselves why they hadn't been consulted in some capacity during the search.

"I would venture to say that a lot of guys thought, why not? Why wouldn't someone ask us? Aren't we a part of this university? Aren't we a part of the program? Don't we care? Don't we have a little bit of expertise or at least a thought that may spur another thought? I believe to get the right or best answer, you survey the land. 

"So, do the guys feel left out and pushed to the side? Well, of course. I think we can all speculate and if we speculate long enough, we'll figure out that, well, maybe politics are working this one. I would love to see more of a collaborative approach to this process because, again, we're not trying to say that Penn State is more special than another, but there's a certain way that we have done things." 

He continued, noting that in the past 10 years of Paterno's career, more and more of the coaching duties had been relegated to Paterno's assistants, which Paterno readily acknowledged in recent years. The result, Dozier says, is a coaching staff that is already well-prepared to handle its changing role.

"It's my belief that the current coaching staff has done a pretty good job over the last few years," Dozier said. "So, that means that this group of coaches has done the job. This has been their job to get done. So, why are we even considering someone else? It's politics, it's fall out, it's everything that has nothing to do with a program and continuing to build a solid program.

"If the board or the committee believes that they need to go outside of the current staff, which, I don't see why, then go get a Penn State guy."

Added Short, "It is the view of the vast majority of the lettermen that they've been marginalized and their family is being destroyed."

Nate Bauer covers Penn State football for BlueWhiteIllustrated.com. He can be reached at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:nbauer@bluewhiteonline.com">nbauer@bluewhiteonline.com</a><!-- e -->.

Empty Glass

New PSU brass staying pretty classy by not telling any of the current staff or players that there has been a hire.

The Board of Directors could have at least placed a "phone call" to Bradley

Bronx Bombers

Bradley and pretty much all of the coaches on the staff were around long enough that there's no way they weren't aware of what was going on with Sandusky.

pjhawks

Bronx Bombers wrote:

LaVar Arrington says he is done with Penn State.

Reached hours before reports surfaced that Bill O'Brien would be named the Nittany Lions' next head coach, Arrington and other prominent lettermen insisted that if Penn State departed from the football family in naming Joe Paterno's successor, some would sever ties with their alma mater.



LaVar Arrington didn't mince words when asked about the possibility of a coach with no Penn State ties being hired.

"I will put my Butkus (Award) in storage. I will put my Alamo Bowl MVP trophy in storage," Arrington said. "Jerseys, anything Penn State, in storage. Wherever Tom Bradley goes, that's the school I will start to put memorabilia up in my home. I'm done. I'm done with Penn State. If they're done with us, I'm done with them."

In an overwhelming show of support for Bradley, the longtime defensive coordinator who served as interim head coach for the past two months, Arrington was joined by other former lettermen who said they were outraged the committee would overlook the values and traditions that made their Penn State experiences so meaningful. 

"By these people making the decisions the way that they are making them, basically coinciding with everything that's being written about our university, if they get rid of Tom Bradley, that means they in essence have accepted the fact that we are all guilty," Arrington said. "You might as well call it all the same thing. 

"What we stood for and what we represented for so long, what we have been taught, what we have been trained to know and the values that I raise my own children with, you're basically telling me it's good, only as long as times are good."

Said former All-American linebacker Brandon Short, "I don't want to be affiliated with the university if they don't choose a Penn State guy because of our standards, our graduation, all the things that have been important... it's no longer Penn State, so we might as well be in the SEC. They are intent on turning it into a booster culture. Ira Lubert went out and purchased a national title with wrestling and he's under the illusion that he can do that in football. Well, ask (Redskins owner) Dan Snyder about that."

"Penn State is a family and it is real and if they choose to get rid of Bradley and not hire a Penn State coach, then they've turned their backs on our entire family."

Arrington and Short are not the only former Penn State All-Americans to offer their support for Bradley in an effort to maintain the standards and practices that have defined the university's football program for decades. D.J. Dozier, a 1986 All-American, acknowledged that Penn State's standard of excellence goes well beyond the football field for its players. 

Though Dozier said he and other lettermen had not been directly consulted for their input on the coaching search at any point in the process, a meeting was planned for Friday afternoon with Short and acting athletic director Dave Joyner. Still, he speculated that many other former lettermen continue to ask themselves why they hadn't been consulted in some capacity during the search.

"I would venture to say that a lot of guys thought, why not? Why wouldn't someone ask us? Aren't we a part of this university? Aren't we a part of the program? Don't we care? Don't we have a little bit of expertise or at least a thought that may spur another thought? I believe to get the right or best answer, you survey the land. 

"So, do the guys feel left out and pushed to the side? Well, of course. I think we can all speculate and if we speculate long enough, we'll figure out that, well, maybe politics are working this one. I would love to see more of a collaborative approach to this process because, again, we're not trying to say that Penn State is more special than another, but there's a certain way that we have done things." 

He continued, noting that in the past 10 years of Paterno's career, more and more of the coaching duties had been relegated to Paterno's assistants, which Paterno readily acknowledged in recent years. The result, Dozier says, is a coaching staff that is already well-prepared to handle its changing role.

"It's my belief that the current coaching staff has done a pretty good job over the last few years," Dozier said. "So, that means that this group of coaches has done the job. This has been their job to get done. So, why are we even considering someone else? It's politics, it's fall out, it's everything that has nothing to do with a program and continuing to build a solid program.

"If the board or the committee believes that they need to go outside of the current staff, which, I don't see why, then go get a Penn State guy."

Added Short, "It is the view of the vast majority of the lettermen that they've been marginalized and their family is being destroyed."

Nate Bauer covers Penn State football for BlueWhiteIllustrated.com. He can be reached at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:nbauer@bluewhiteonline.com">nbauer@bluewhiteonline.com</a><!-- e -->.

LaVar Arrington and any other Penn Stater that doesn't think they needed to go outside the family are idiots. how could they possibly hire anyone with ties to the program and the cover-up of what went on? morons.