There are a lot of factors surrounding this deplorable act this teacher committed...
But the one thing I keep returning to is that the things he said eventually were heard by his students and co-workers. I think once it hits their ears, he is finished, no matter how it got there.
I just cant imagine him teaching my kids. People defending this guys actions, would you be comfortable with him being your kids teacher?
I don't know. But I think yes. I don't really on a SS teacher to teach my kid about diversity. really depends on his behavior in the classroom. I would certainly want my kid to know that the teacher is wrong in his opinion and was wrong to use the hurtful words, but that everyone makes mistakes and it's better to tackle issues head on them drive the discussion underground with more hatred sent back his way.
But I understand people feeling the way you do.
Thats a good way to deal with it too.. I do believe in second chances, but if he really said this:
"I try to be like Jesus every day. I teach God's truth, I make very few compromises. If you believe you may have a problem with that, get your schedule changed, 'cause I ain't changing! I try to teach and lead my students as if Lake Co. Schools had hired Jesus Christ himself."
I'd want him nowhere near my kids.
I still havent learned if this was public school or a private (religious) school... anyone know?
There are a lot of factors surrounding this deplorable act this teacher committed...
But the one thing I keep returning to is that the things he said eventually were heard by his students and co-workers. I think once it hits their ears, he is finished, no matter how it got there.
I just cant imagine him teaching my kids. People defending this guys actions, would you be comfortable with him being your kids teacher?
I don't know. But I think yes. I don't really on a SS teacher to teach my kid about diversity. really depends on his behavior in the classroom. I would certainly want my kid to know that the teacher is wrong in his opinion and was wrong to use the hurtful words, but that everyone makes mistakes and it's better to tackle issues head on them drive the discussion underground with more hatred sent back his way.
But I understand people feeling the way you do.
Thats a good way to deal with it too.. I do believe in second chances, but if he really said this:
"I try to be like Jesus every day. I teach God's truth, I make very few compromises. If you believe you may have a problem with that, get your schedule changed, 'cause I ain't changing! I try to teach and lead my students as if Lake Co. Schools had hired Jesus Christ himself."
I'd want him nowhere near my kids.
I still havent learned if this was public school or a private (religious) school... anyone know?
Don't know. The part about trying to be like jesus doesn't upset me at all. The "I teach God's truth" certainly does. I was under the impression that he teaches Social Studies or something...where does "God's truth" fit in there????
BUt like I said, I think we may have had a completely different reaction from him if people weren't shouting for him to lose his job instantly. Why do we do that with everyone? As soon as somebody makes a mistake...THEY NEED TO BE FIRED!!!! Really? We'd all be out of work. Sometimes it's justified, but often it;s knee jerk reaction.
As for his comments here, if I were the school, I would schedule a meeting with him about his attitude and his words and tell him he is creating a hostile environment at the school by telling kids to change their schedules, etc. He would need to verbally, publicly apologize or I would fire his ass and get ready for the lawsuit.
I'm fairly certain it was a public school... if this was a private school, it would be a non-issue. A private school can fire you for any reason whatsoever, within the bounds of the law. In some states, they could have fired a teacher just for being gay.
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that is your opinion and also how it stands now on the rule
my opinion it should not cover opinions shared in a public manner
I believe they should have freedom of speech and not fear losing their jobs for their opinions
conduct as far as threatening others or promoting that and breaking laws in place... yes
that is what should be of a concern.... not one's core beliefs
Sadly, the professional world does not work like you would like it to.
It is not an opinion that professionals should be concerned about how they display themselves publicly.
It's a fact, and this story is an example of that fact.
An employer needs no reason to fire an employee, so why would an employee give them a reason? You are a representative of your employer, always. Screw that up and you're out of a job. It goes without saying, Pandora.
Unfortunately, that is a fact of the real world professionally. Employers DON'T need a reason or have to give you a reson to fire you...I found that out for myself. I worked as a pre-school teacher and I was fired from the job after ten years there. The underlying reason for me being fired I became too popular with the parents to my classroom children and I turned down advances from the school administrator. I didn't mix business with pleasure and she didn't like that so I was fired just like that. We did sign a contract that said we could be fired for any reason and NO reason at all.
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Thats a good way to deal with it too.. I do believe in second chances, but if he really said this:
"I try to be like Jesus every day. I teach God's truth, I make very few compromises. If you believe you may have a problem with that, get your schedule changed, 'cause I ain't changing! I try to teach and lead my students as if Lake Co. Schools had hired Jesus Christ himself."
I'd want him nowhere near my kids.
I still havent learned if this was public school or a private (religious) school... anyone know?
I asked this yesterday, too..apparently now I see that it was public. :? Also, I thought he also taught American history, which was a point of contention for me considering the historical implications of what happened in New York. When I saw this quote on here yesterday about his saying it was as if they had hired Jesus Christ himself, it was quite shocking and ludicrous. In his initial rant, he expressed his hatred in a religious context--now he says "I teach God's truth". ??? Waat. As I've been saying all along, it is impossible for me to think that his mindset doesn't extend somehow, directly or indirectly, into the classroom--this newest quote proves that. As far as educating him on bigotry, I would think that it is quite beyond that point at this stage of his life. I would HOPE not, but I would think so. Everybody knows someone, if not many, in his age group who feel the exact same way as he does (and as cincy, I think, said, so does most of the US re: law). And someone mentioned gay friends and what they think about it... I have several gay friends, one of whom is a psychologist and another who is a career counselor...they both agree that this man is in the wrong profession (mainly because he thought it acceptable to say what he did on facebook) and that it is sad that he has this opinion (much less voiced it in the way he did), and that they had to deal with people who felt this way all of their lives in school and it made their life hell.
Professions like lawyers, doctors, teachers, and professors have to be concerned with their conduct outside of the workplace. Facebook is not private. And his message was beyond inappropriate. It was a direct representation of what he stands for as a human being.
that is your opinion and also how it stands now on the rule
my opinion it should not cover opinions shared in a public manner
I believe they should have freedom of speech and not fear losing their jobs for their opinions
conduct as far as threatening others or promoting that and breaking laws in place... yes
that is what should be of a concern.... not one's core beliefs
Sadly, the professional world does not work like you would like it to. It is not an opinion that professionals should be concerned about how they display themselves publicly.
It's a fact, and this story is an example of that fact.
An employer needs no reason to fire an employee, so why would an employee give them a reason? You are a representative of your employer, always. Screw that up and you're out of a job.
Yes, I agree.
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Thats a good way to deal with it too.. I do believe in second chances, but if he really said this:
"I try to be like Jesus every day. I teach God's truth, I make very few compromises. If you believe you may have a problem with that, get your schedule changed, 'cause I ain't changing! I try to teach and lead my students as if Lake Co. Schools had hired Jesus Christ himself."
I'd want him nowhere near my kids.
I still havent learned if this was public school or a private (religious) school... anyone know?
I asked this yesterday, too..apparently now I see that it was public. :? Also, I thought he also taught American history, which was a point of contention for me considering the historical implications of what happened in New York. When I saw this quote on here yesterday about his saying it was as if they had hired Jesus Christ himself, it was quite shocking and ludicrous. In his initial rant, he expressed his hatred in a religious context--now he says "I teach God's truth". ??? Waat. As I've been saying all along, it is impossible for me to think that his mindset doesn't extend somehow, directly or indirectly, into the classroom--this newest quote proves that. As far as educating him on bigotry, I would think that it is quite beyond that point at this stage of his life. I would HOPE not, but I would think so. Everybody knows someone, if not many, in his age group who feel the exact same way as he does (and as cincy, I think, said, so does most of the US re: law). And someone mentioned gay friends and what they think about it... I have several gay friends, one of whom is a psychologist and another who is a career counselor...they both agree that this man is in the wrong profession (mainly because he thought it acceptable to say what he did on facebook) and that it is sad that he has this opinion (much less voiced it in the way he did), and that they had to deal with people who felt this way all of their lives in school and it made their life hell.
Well said, EmBleve.
The guy implies he would work as if he were Jesus. If Jesus knocked over the money tables of people who where greedy, how much more would he be pissed at people who are bigoted and hateful?!
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Unfortunately, that is a fact of the real world professionally. Employers DON'T need a reason or have to give you a reson to fire you...I found that out for myself. I worked as a pre-school teacher and I was fired from the job after ten years there. The underlying reason for me being fired I became too popular with the parents to my classroom children and I turned down advances from the school administrator. I didn't mix business with pleasure and she didn't like that so I was fired just like that. We did sign a contract that said we could be fired for any reason and NO reason at all.
Not really cincy. Yes his homophobic remarks were but the basis of the thread is his suspension, etc. This has turned into a 'jesus loves us all and if we were more like him, the world will be all rosy'. Naturally, before anyone says anything, these were not actual words used but one gets my drift.
This thread deals with a guy who said nasty things, was reported, was investigated and eventually reinstated. Does the school/district (or any other employer) have a right do to this? Should this guy (or anyone) not be able to say/do what he/she feels in his/her own time without it having any repercussions on his work. That is the topic (at least as I thought it was).
Not really cincy. Yes his homophobic remarks were but the basis of the thread is his suspension, etc. This has turned into a 'jesus loves us all and if we were more like him, the world will be all rosy'. Naturally, before anyone says anything, these were not actual words used but one gets my drift.
This thread deals with a guy who said nasty things, was reported, was investigated and eventually reinstated. Does the school/district (or any other employer) have a right do to this? Should this guy (or anyone) not be able to say/do what he/she feels in his/her own time without it having any repercussions on his work. That is the topic (at least as I thought it was).
No I agree, but I also thought there was some element of God involved from the beginning since it's the basis of the teacher's facebook posting.
It is ,but in the context of his rant. He could have left the god bit out and it would have been just as offensive. Though one can also argue this thread can deal with his whole attitude to what seems quite fundamentalist views of religion (from his few remarks) and how it seems he does bring that in the classroom in, what I think, is a public school. No problem bringing religion in the discussion as such. But the 'jesus loves us all let's all be more like him' bit is really not relevant in this thread.
As I said, in the context of his rant and whether his extremist views are appropriate for a public school, religion is a valid discussion point. In a 'preaching' context, it's not. There is a huge difference. We all know what this difference is and where the line is drawn.
As I said, in the context of his rant and whether his extremist views are appropriate for a public school, religion is a valid discussion point. In a 'preaching' context, it's not. There is a huge difference. We all know what this difference is and where the line is drawn.
You know, the ironic thing, it's further down the path you were complaining about now that you jumped in.
As I said, in the context of his rant and whether his extremist views are appropriate for a public school, religion is a valid discussion point. In a 'preaching' context, it's not. There is a huge difference. We all know what this difference is and where the line is drawn.
You know, the ironic thing, it's further down the path you were complaining about now that you jumped in.
As I said, in the context of his rant and whether his extremist views are appropriate for a public school, religion is a valid discussion point. In a 'preaching' context, it's not. There is a huge difference. We all know what this difference is and where the line is drawn.
You know, the ironic thing, it's further down the path you were complaining about now that you jumped in.
:?: Not sure what you mean.
I just found it funny that you post about derailing the thread into a God argument has now derailed the entire thread. No big deal, just humorous.
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I'm sorry I said anything about Jesus. Next time I'll use Man in the Moon and maybe we'll keep the discusion on track.
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You know, the ironic thing, it's further down the path you were complaining about now that you jumped in.
:?: Not sure what you mean.
I just found it funny that you post about derailing the thread into a God argument has now derailed the entire thread. No big deal, just humorous.
I don't think it was derailing... just a remark and eventually bringing it back to the discussion on hand and the 'appropriate' religious argument? As I did concede that there could be a element of religion but the 'right kind' of element and in context (following your post!)!
I'm sorry I said anything about Jesus. Next time I'll use Man in the Moon and maybe we'll keep the discusion on track.
I don't think it was your comment, but, eh, what do I know? :? And besides, he's going to teach it as though they hired Jesus Christ. So, it's whatever. Moving on.. ..(I do also have to say that I agree with redrock re: the 'preaching' slant--I get it).
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Thats a good way to deal with it too.. I do believe in second chances, but if he really said this:
"I try to be like Jesus every day. I teach God's truth, I make very few compromises. If you believe you may have a problem with that, get your schedule changed, 'cause I ain't changing! I try to teach and lead my students as if Lake Co. Schools had hired Jesus Christ himself."
I'd want him nowhere near my kids.
I still havent learned if this was public school or a private (religious) school... anyone know?
Don't know. The part about trying to be like jesus doesn't upset me at all. The "I teach God's truth" certainly does. I was under the impression that he teaches Social Studies or something...where does "God's truth" fit in there????
BUt like I said, I think we may have had a completely different reaction from him if people weren't shouting for him to lose his job instantly. Why do we do that with everyone? As soon as somebody makes a mistake...THEY NEED TO BE FIRED!!!! Really? We'd all be out of work. Sometimes it's justified, but often it;s knee jerk reaction.
As for his comments here, if I were the school, I would schedule a meeting with him about his attitude and his words and tell him he is creating a hostile environment at the school by telling kids to change their schedules, etc. He would need to verbally, publicly apologize or I would fire his ass and get ready for the lawsuit.
Unfortunately, that is a fact of the real world professionally. Employers DON'T need a reason or have to give you a reson to fire you...I found that out for myself. I worked as a pre-school teacher and I was fired from the job after ten years there. The underlying reason for me being fired I became too popular with the parents to my classroom children and I turned down advances from the school administrator. I didn't mix business with pleasure and she didn't like that so I was fired just like that. We did sign a contract that said we could be fired for any reason and NO reason at all.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The guy implies he would work as if he were Jesus. If Jesus knocked over the money tables of people who where greedy, how much more would he be pissed at people who are bigoted and hateful?!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
but that is human right? Everyone is a hypocrite ...
they call others out but can't see what they do themselves.
I picture Jesus understanding everyone, even haters
and being incredibly disappointed in everyone too but loving them just the same
with the hate, with the hypocrisy, with the better than others attitudes
because he knows it is with love and understanding that people change, heal and
become more like Him....
that is if they want to.
yup the little man in the sky wants us all to be like him :roll: the hurricane is probably barreling down on the east coast because we have all sinned
edit: and i agree and believe that understanding and love will cause people to change, i just don't think that comes from a man in the sky.
this sounds like horrible bosses ...
And you felt the need to belittle others that do...nicely done.
no matter
glad you agree with love and understanding
so I know you will be kind to those that believe in the man in the sky
Ummm...this was based on that from the beginning no? At least an element of it.
This thread deals with a guy who said nasty things, was reported, was investigated and eventually reinstated. Does the school/district (or any other employer) have a right do to this? Should this guy (or anyone) not be able to say/do what he/she feels in his/her own time without it having any repercussions on his work. That is the topic (at least as I thought it was).
No I agree, but I also thought there was some element of God involved from the beginning since it's the basis of the teacher's facebook posting.
relating to that
You know, the ironic thing, it's further down the path you were complaining about now that you jumped in.
I just found it funny that you post about derailing the thread into a God argument has now derailed the entire thread. No big deal, just humorous.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I don't think it was derailing... just a remark and eventually bringing it back to the discussion on hand and the 'appropriate' religious argument? As I did concede that there could be a element of religion but the 'right kind' of element and in context (following your post!)!
you of all people don't need to apologize ... ever
I don't go to church but have listened to some wonderful preachers
they can grab your heart and give you hope
rile you up and set you down gently... it's an art really
I love it but then I love words all tangled up and beautiful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZArY5MbzsdU
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I've never seen that before ... we need you over in rate a song thread
I bookmarked
love the very ending very cool...thanks
Glad you liked it! Of course you know, Pandora, we're gonna get busted for throwing this thread off track!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"