Florida Teacher suspended over anti-homosexual remarks:

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Does it not say anything to his merit that a group like the KKK has threatened to protest in his defense??

    No that means nothing. Only that they are capitalizing on the publicity involved in this case.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    There's got to be a line drawn somewhere though. What if i'm a nudist and want to be myself? I realize that I cannot be a nudist and work where I work. There is compromise in everything we do, and this guys hateful bigoted remarks are not in line with the conduct of a teacher of children. End of story.


    You can be a nudist at your home though...end of story.
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  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    cincybearcat wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    There's got to be a line drawn somewhere though. What if i'm a nudist and want to be myself? I realize that I cannot be a nudist and work where I work. There is compromise in everything we do, and this guys hateful bigoted remarks are not in line with the conduct of a teacher of children. End of story.


    You can be a nudist at your home though...end of story.
    he didn't say what he said in his own home. He put it on a facebook wall where it could reach hundreds, if not thousands of people. And he didn't care who heard him. It's weird because now with technology, there are all these other rules and regulations and policies that have to be in place because the line of 'privacy' is so gray anymore. In Jonny's example, if he wants to be a nudist in his own home; nobody will know about it. The teacher said what he did in a forum which he knew very well was seen by many. He also knew he could suffer consequences for it.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    cincybearcat wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Does it not say anything to his merit that a group like the KKK has threatened to protest in his defense??

    No that means nothing. Only that they are capitalizing on the publicity involved in this case.

    It does in my opinion. You dont often see the KKK supporting anything other that hate.

    cincybearcat wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    There's got to be a line drawn somewhere though. What if i'm a nudist and want to be myself? I realize that I cannot be a nudist and work where I work. There is compromise in everything we do, and this guys hateful bigoted remarks are not in line with the conduct of a teacher of children. End of story.


    You can be a nudist at your home though...end of story.

    Exactly my point.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    EmBleve wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    There's got to be a line drawn somewhere though. What if i'm a nudist and want to be myself? I realize that I cannot be a nudist and work where I work. There is compromise in everything we do, and this guys hateful bigoted remarks are not in line with the conduct of a teacher of children. End of story.


    You can be a nudist at your home though...end of story.
    he didn't say what he said in his own home. He put it on a facebook wall where it could reach hundreds, if not thousands of people. And he didn't care who heard him. It's weird because now with technology, there are all these other rules and regulations and policies that have to be in place because the line of 'privacy' is so gray anymore. In Jonny's example, if he wants to be a nudist in his own home; nobody will know about it. The teacher said what he did in a forum which he knew very well was seen by many. He also knew he could suffer consequences for it.

    Yes EmBleve, thats my point. Also, I could be a nudist in my home.. then maybe set up a webcam and put a link online. If I were a teacher and did this, it would probably be inappropriate behavior once I unleashed it on society.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:


    You can be a nudist at your home though...end of story.
    he didn't say what he said in his own home. He put it on a facebook wall where it could reach hundreds, if not thousands of people. And he didn't care who heard him. It's weird because now with technology, there are all these other rules and regulations and policies that have to be in place because the line of 'privacy' is so gray anymore. In Jonny's example, if he wants to be a nudist in his own home; nobody will know about it. The teacher said what he did in a forum which he knew very well was seen by many. He also knew he could suffer consequences for it.

    Yes EmBleve, thats my point. Also, I could be a nudist in my home.. then maybe set up a webcam and put a link online. If I were a teacher and did this, it would probably be inappropriate behavior once I unleashed it on society.


    Hmmm...interesting. But a bit more complicated than just words due to the teacher-student sex issues that pop up all the time.
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  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Yes EmBleve, thats my point. Also, I could be a nudist in my home.. then maybe set up a webcam and put a link online. If I were a teacher and did this, it would probably be inappropriate behavior once I unleashed it on society.
    winner..
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Hmmm...interesting. But a bit more complicated than just words due to the teacher-student sex issues that pop up all the time.
    of course, but it wasn't 'just words'. It was slinging hate. 'Just words' would be "I disagree with what happened today in New York with gay marriage". Big difference.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I'm not sure anyone here said it was not hate

    you read the words you feel the hate

    you can read words here and feel the hate

    but people have the right to hate and express that even though we wish they wouldn't
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    pandora wrote:
    I'm not sure anyone here said it was not hate

    you read the words you feel the hate

    you can read words here and feel the hate

    but people have the right to hate and express that even though we wish they wouldn't
    Yes, they do have the right to express that. They also have an obligation to their profession and all it entails. It was irresponsible and it is ignorant, imo. I would not want him anywhere near my kid (unless I join the white aryan nation, which is most unlikely).
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    DOES NO ONE HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT A "CODE OF CONDUCT" IS? It's a bunch of rules that govern how a person potentially represents the business they work for, whether it be during work hours or not. He didn't choose to share his hate towards gays in a private setting, he chose to do it in the most public place possible. He therefore cast a bad light on the organization he worked for, therefore giving said organization no choice but to suspend him.

    What if he had said this in the teacher's lounge? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said this to his wife at dinner? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said it at his Bigots Anonymous meeting? we wouldn't be hearing about it

    IT IS NO FREE SPEECH. No one is saying he can't say what he said, it's the method he used to get his point across to potentially THOUSANDS of people.

    it's mind boggling that people don't see that.

    If I was to post a picture of myself on facebook naked with a ribbon on my junk, and it happened across the desk of my manager or HR department, even though I didn't act like that at work, I'm pretty sure I'd get reprimanded or fired, especially if people knew where I worked.

    it's pretty damn simple as far as I'm concerned.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    DOES NO ONE HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT A "CODE OF CONDUCT" IS? It's a bunch of rules that govern how a person potentially represents the business they work for, whether it be during work hours or not. He didn't choose to share his hate towards gays in a private setting, he chose to do it in the most public place possible. He therefore cast a bad light on the organization he worked for, therefore giving said organization no choice but to suspend him.

    What if he had said this in the teacher's lounge? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said this to his wife at dinner? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said it at his Bigots Anonymous meeting? we wouldn't be hearing about it

    IT IS NO FREE SPEECH. No one is saying he can't say what he said, it's the method he used to get his point across to potentially THOUSANDS of people.

    it's mind boggling that people don't see that.

    If I was to post a picture of myself on facebook naked with a ribbon on my junk, and it happened across the desk of my manager or HR department, even though I didn't act like that at work, I'm pretty sure I'd get reprimanded or fired, especially if people knew where I worked.

    it's pretty damn simple as far as I'm concerned.

    It's mind boggling that you don't see that the question is if the business/school/employer can enforce a code of conduct that applies to internet postings.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    DOES NO ONE HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT A "CODE OF CONDUCT" IS? It's a bunch of rules that govern how a person potentially represents the business they work for, whether it be during work hours or not. He didn't choose to share his hate towards gays in a private setting, he chose to do it in the most public place possible. He therefore cast a bad light on the organization he worked for, therefore giving said organization no choice but to suspend him.

    What if he had said this in the teacher's lounge? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said this to his wife at dinner? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said it at his Bigots Anonymous meeting? we wouldn't be hearing about it

    IT IS NO FREE SPEECH. No one is saying he can't say what he said, it's the method he used to get his point across to potentially THOUSANDS of people.

    it's mind boggling that people don't see that.

    If I was to post a picture of myself on facebook naked with a ribbon on my junk, and it happened across the desk of my manager or HR department, even though I didn't act like that at work, I'm pretty sure I'd get reprimanded or fired, especially if people knew where I worked.

    it's pretty damn simple as far as I'm concerned.

    Oh, and it is also the question of reprimand versus fired. What's the correct course of action if they can enforce it?
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    edited August 2011
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    DOES NO ONE HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT A "CODE OF CONDUCT" IS? It's a bunch of rules that govern how a person potentially represents the business they work for, whether it be during work hours or not. He didn't choose to share his hate towards gays in a private setting, he chose to do it in the most public place possible. He therefore cast a bad light on the organization he worked for, therefore giving said organization no choice but to suspend him.

    What if he had said this in the teacher's lounge? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said this to his wife at dinner? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said it at his Bigots Anonymous meeting? we wouldn't be hearing about it

    IT IS NO FREE SPEECH. No one is saying he can't say what he said, it's the method he used to get his point across to potentially THOUSANDS of people.

    it's mind boggling that people don't see that.

    If I was to post a picture of myself on facebook naked with a ribbon on my junk, and it happened across the desk of my manager or HR department, even though I didn't act like that at work, I'm pretty sure I'd get reprimanded or fired, especially if people knew where I worked.

    it's pretty damn simple as far as I'm concerned.

    It's mind boggling that you don't see that the question is if the business/school/employer can enforce a code of conduct that applies to internet postings.

    why shouldn't they? whether it be internet postings, or someone taking a picture of him holding up an anti-gay sign in front of city hall, it all falls under the same umbrella:

    say what you want, we won't stop you, but don't be dumb enough to think there aren't consequences if you put it out there for public consumption. make no mistake, HE put the SCHOOL in this position, not the other way around.
    Post edited by Hugh Freaking Dillon on
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    DOES NO ONE HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT A "CODE OF CONDUCT" IS? It's a bunch of rules that govern how a person potentially represents the business they work for, whether it be during work hours or not. He didn't choose to share his hate towards gays in a private setting, he chose to do it in the most public place possible. He therefore cast a bad light on the organization he worked for, therefore giving said organization no choice but to suspend him.

    What if he had said this in the teacher's lounge? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said this to his wife at dinner? we wouldn't be hearing about it
    what if he said it at his Bigots Anonymous meeting? we wouldn't be hearing about it

    IT IS NOT FREE SPEECH. No one is saying he can't say what he said, it's the method he used to get his point across to potentially THOUSANDS of people.

    it's mind boggling that people don't see that.

    If I was to post a picture of myself on facebook naked with a ribbon on my junk, and it happened across the desk of my manager or HR department, even though I didn't act like that at work, I'm pretty sure I'd get reprimanded or fired, especially if people knew where I worked.

    it's pretty damn simple as far as I'm concerned.

    Oh, and it is also the question of reprimand versus fired. What's the correct course of action if they can enforce it?

    to me, in a case of racism or bigotry, FIRED.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    cincybearcat wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Does it not say anything to his merit that a group like the KKK has threatened to protest in his defense??

    No that means nothing. Only that they are capitalizing on the publicity involved in this case.

    agreed. if he didn't enlist them, that is. :lol:
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    pandora wrote:
    You sound filled with hate and disgust just like the teacher we are discussing

    in almost every post to me you have made snide comments when you do not even know me :?

    just like the man we are talking about

    hate makes more hate

    love makes more love

    I guess if you don't believe in the power of love you will just stay a hater no better than the ones you hate

    to be quite honest, pandora, it seems if someone isn't one of your followers, they are somehow filled with hate and you seem to be so condescending because you pity them.

    it's getting a bit tired. can we just argue the subject instead of you judging us for seemingly judging someone else? do you not see how much judgment you toss around, while telling us to stop judging others?

    I'm as much about love and nature and earth as the next person, but honestly, it's not the answer to every problem in the world.

    if it worked, it would be, but it doesn't, so it's not.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    edited August 2011
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    You sound filled with hate and disgust just like the teacher we are discussing

    in almost every post to me you have made snide comments when you do not even know me :?

    just like the man we are talking about

    hate makes more hate

    love makes more love

    I guess if you don't believe in the power of love you will just stay a hater no better than the ones you hate

    to be quite honest, pandora, it seems if someone isn't one of your followers, they are somehow filled with hate and you seem to be so condescending because you pity them.

    it's getting a bit tired. can we just argue the subject instead of you judging us for seemingly judging someone else? do you not see how much judgment you toss around, while telling us to stop judging others?

    I'm as much about love and nature and earth as the next person, but honestly, it's not the answer to every problem in the world.

    if it worked, it would be, but it doesn't, so it's not.


    lets post the entire conversation please and not take my words out of context

    pandora wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I would like to see all people stop being so judgmental and abusive to each other

    it starts with each and everyone of us

    we are all role models each and every one of us

    we can start right here on the best band in the universe's website! 8-)

    we can try to be always kind and respectful to each
    other and try not to presume and judge but just love :D

    Yeah, that hippie-dippie lesbo-love bullshit and the "Let's just all love each other" crap is what lead to things like Prop 8 passing and DOMA.

    Sorry... you have your love ins, I'll go fight for my rights and stand up for myself and the gay kids in that asshole's classroom who are too scared to stand up for themselves.
    You sound filled with hate and disgust just like the teacher we are discussing

    in almost every post to me you have made snide comments when you do not even know me :?

    just like the man we are talking about

    hate makes more hate

    love makes more love

    I guess if you don't believe in the power of love you will just stay a hater no better than the ones you hate

    I stand by what I said the quote is filled with hate and judgement for others
    and did they call me a lesbo :? :wtf:

    thats super rude not a nice term ... some of my dearest friends are gay women...
    I take great offense to that and how can you defend that?

    I thought everyone was working on kindness and respect... guess not.
    Post edited by pandora on
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Ugh.

    No I did NOT call you "a lesbo."

    It's probably a pretty mean-spirited term but "Lesbo-Love" is used to describe that earthy, hippe, "free to be you and me" crap you get in "chicken soup for the soul" books, Hallmark cards and embroidered wall hangings.

    Eesh.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I'm not sure anyone here said it was not hate

    you read the words you feel the hate

    you can read words here and feel the hate

    but people have the right to hate and express that even though we wish they wouldn't
    Yes, they do have the right to express that. They also have an obligation to their profession and all it entails. It was irresponsible and it is ignorant, imo. I would not want him anywhere near my kid (unless I join the white aryan nation, which is most unlikely).
    yes I know about the rule remember and totally agree because of the rule he should not have spoke out.

    I am saying a rule like that should and hopefully will be challenged and brought to where it should be

    back to the workplace and classroom

    not to entail private time... not in a bar, not on the phone, not on a website
    that allows personal opinion rants

    Speaking one's opinions is a basic freedom.... each of us enjoys.

    What I have heard, if it wasn't for the great rules here, word choices
    about this man would have been more rant-ish... that's saying it mildly
    also probably directed at those defending the fact he should not be fired over this.

    And hate makes more hate but mostly solves absolutely nothing.

    Don't do what you don't like others doing....
    if you don't like someone being offensive to others... don't do it yourself.

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