Aside from anything else, it was a violation of the school's social media policy.
hopefully not something that a great honored teacher of 22 years...
loved and admired
would lose his job over though
I vote for less rules governing our private time and our privacy
It wasn't private; his inflammatory comments reached hundreds of people on a SOCIAL website. And one would think that if he is such a fantastic teacher and so upstanding and well-regarded, he would be aware of his ethical obligations and his school policy. If you were gay, or had same-sex parents (whose union makes him 'want to throw up), or anything similarly related, would you want to be in his classroom??
Again no proof nor signs of any problem with his teaching skills, not complaints from parents etc.
These words said outside his workplace by Jerry not Mr Buell.
it is possible to be a good teacher and still have opinions many don't agree with
don't forget there are people that do agree with him also
takes all kinds
as I said there always will be haters
doesn't matter how they try to sugar coat or hide behind examples or by using civil words
its all the same
hate is hate
but we can show kindness and forgiveness and hopefully this will help tis man do the same
There has been no signs nor proof his teaching skills suffered from his opinion.
That he ever treated any child with injustice.
He was honored and loved in 22 years of teaching.
But we talk of: where is the cut-off.. how much free speech should he have?
There are definitely signs and proof that his teaching abilities are affected by what he said. It is news across the country now. He said those terrible things to the whole world. Now, I am sure his co-worker and students have heard the exact quote of what he said. that's the point of social media like facebook -- it is forever in evidence. He has ruined his ability to teach in my opinion.
He never in the past (that we know of) treated a child with injustice. But the minute he made those remarks on facebook and (if) one of his students heard it (i'm assuming they have now), he treated them with injustice.
He WAS honored and loved for 22 years. Thats over now because of his stupidity and poor judgement.
BUT if there was no rule like that there would be no news
He would be free to make a fool out of himself and if then it carried into his teaching skills
he should be let go for the right reasons... not cause there are rules in place to keep us from voicing our basic freedom but because he was providing a bigoted environment in the classroom....
if he is not, was not or would not he should be allowed to teach.
There has been no signs nor proof his teaching skills suffered from his opinion.
That he ever treated any child with injustice.
He was honored and loved in 22 years of teaching.
But we talk of: where is the cut-off.. how much free speech should he have?
There are definitely signs and proof that his teaching abilities are affected by what he said. It is news across the country now. He said those terrible things to the whole world. Now, I am sure his co-worker and students have heard the exact quote of what he said. that's the point of social media like facebook -- it is forever in evidence. He has ruined his ability to teach in my opinion.
He never in the past (that we know of) treated a child with injustice. But the minute he made those remarks on facebook and (if) one of his students heard it (i'm assuming they have now), he treated them with injustice.
He WAS honored and loved for 22 years. Thats over now because of his stupidity and poor judgement.
BUT if there was no rule like that there would be no news
He would be free to make a fool out of himself and if then it carried into his teaching skills
he should be let go for the right reasons... not cause there are rules in place to keep us from voicing our basic freedom but because he was providing a bigoted environment in the classroom....
if he is not, was not or would not he should be allowed to teach.
IMO
Yes, but it got to be news because of the bigoted hate behind his remarks - not because of a rule. Does it matter how it got to his students ears?
but we can show kindness and forgiveness and hopefully this will help tis man do the same
You seem to forget what this man does for a living. And like JohnnyPistachio said, WAS,WAS, WAS. He violated ethical boundaries, and has now alienated a percentage of his would-be student population. You say hate perpetuates hate; he is perpetuating hate and intolerance and lacks objectivity on the subject of homosexuality--and verbalized it very publicly and in a hateful way. Again, he exercised very poor judgement, and there are consequences for that, Pandora. He knew this. I'm sorry but I cannot muster up 'kindness' in the face of intolerance and hatred. And I would bet anything that there are now numerous parents and students who feel the same way; I know I would.
Kinda like arguing against the dictionary. C'mon, anyone who can't see that both sides of this argument have merit is "not getting it". That is why it's an interesting situation.
Nobody has presented "another side" to the argument that can't be shot down in four words.
He knowingly took a job in which he's expected to be a role model on and off the job. He made some very vile, very public comments, he was suspended for it. This did jot take away his "free speech" and if you thnk it did, you don't understand the concept of "free speech." He was not suspended for "having an opinion," he was suspended for making some juvenile, vile comments in public.
Many people have been fired for "words on a computer screen," ask the soldiers who were discharged for posting "I'm gay" anonymously to the internet. You can also ask the girl who posted "OMG I hate my boss" to Facebook and was fired on her own Facebook wall by the boss in question whom shed friended.
There is no "other side" to this. He broke a rule, made himself and the school look bad and is being reprimanded for it. If you think there's "another side" to this, it's probably because you agree with him that my marriage is a "cesspool."
Actually I don't and have said as much. Clearly this is a situation very close to your heart which I understand.
#1) I never said anything about free speech
And because things happen doesn't make it right. It's funny that you justify a current situation with something that happened in the past and that the law has said is ok...currently the law allows states to not legalize gay marriage. So since it's happened in the past that gay individuals have not been allowed to marry, it's ok in any future case? Please.
What he said I don't agree with 100%. I just wonder if where he said it should open him up to the possibility of termination. I also said a suspension seemed justified and wondered if coaching should be in order instead of termination (should they terminate him).
I just think there is a fine line that I'm worried about us going over.
I just think there is a fine line that I'm worried about us going over.
as a side note, IMO social networking sites add a new dimension to this 'fine line' (especially in this case since it is addressed in school policy). In this situation, it would have been best to maybe say this in the old school, around the kitchen table way versus a social forum like facebook. :?
Yes, but it got to be news because of the bigoted hate behind his remarks - not because of a rule. Does it matter how it got to his students ears?
To me yes...is this not the point of the thread?
if he was teaching it in his classroom then he should be fired...
no question no matter how he presented it to his classroom...
vile or otherwise
if he was sitting in a bar with friends and someone over heard ...what do you think?
I think no... private
I feel the same about facebook... if they allow it there then he should be allowed to voice his opinion
and not lose his job... I get there is a "rule" in place but that rule is wrong imo ... and should be changed
he should be allowed his opinion outside the classroom.
So many are so quick to write him off after being a great teacher for 22 years.
No room to allow forgiveness or kindness makes him learn nothing
and nothing learned for those so quick to judge.
A little secret... I don't like porn... don't watch it .... never did.
Love love sex but not watching others perform sex acts on each other..
loses something in the translation :?
I find it gross whether that be same sex or heterosexual.
I wouldn't like to even visualize anyone having sex ... I think it very private.
This gays or straights.
Would I go on an open forum and say nasty things about porn and that I thought it vile
and judge those who adore it
probably not cause I just don't think about it... its just not for me.
My point... I understand his being grossed out about it
coupled with his deep core belief that marriage should remain between man and woman...
this is where we part...
I believe in love and marriage period for all human beings.
But I just think this world is spinning fast for some, things can feel wrong and out of control.
The political correctness can become abrasive to one's personal beliefs
whether those are popular or right or wrong.
People can get wild and say things... I feel he deserves a chance to correct this and learn from it.
To many dismiss a life here... a valuable one
and like I said hate is the same in any form even sugarcoated and civil or hidden in snide remarks,
it hurts the person it is directed at in the same way....
yet that is somehow acceptable... I think not.
So unless people here can say they absolutely never prejudge,
blow a gasket, do something dumb, are mean and rude to others,
then they should let this guy just return to class and see how he does.
Everyone is on their path and sometimes they get some light from others along the way
and sometimes the one giving the light learns the most from it.
if he was sitting in a bar with friends and someone over heard ...what do you think?
I think no... private
I feel the same about facebook... if they allow it there then he should be allowed to voice his opinion
and not lose his job...:
Facebook is not private like having a conversation with friends at a bar. It is a public, social forum (addressing 700 people in this case). And it is 'allowed' because it is not a watchdog establishment--nothing like an ethics code of conduct or a specific school policy.
if he was sitting in a bar with friends and someone over heard ...what do you think?
I think no... private
I feel the same about facebook... if they allow it there then he should be allowed to voice his opinion
and not lose his job...:
Facebook is not private like having a conversation with friends at a bar. It is a public, social forum (addressing 700 people in this case). And it is 'allowed' because it is not a watchdog establishment--nothing like an ethics code of conduct or a specific school policy.
Maybe my wording was bad....What I meant was
I feel it the same, in that, one should be able to voice one's opinion per the rules of the website...
just like they are among friends in a public place ... that's what they are called right?... "friends"
I don't do facebook or twitter
As far as ethics code ... all for that in the classroom
but when it comes to private time it is anti-freedom of speech rules to me
just another way to control and limit what people can say and be
not for that at all but I think you've gathered that.
I feel it the same, in that, one should be able to voice one's opinion per the rules of the website...
just like they are among friends in a public place ... that's what they are called right?... "friends"
I don't do facebook or twitter
I was under the impression that he posted it on his 'wall' on FB. IF this 'wall' is set to public, it is meant for all 250 million people to see it.
What if he painted the very same remarks on a sign and put it in his front yard?
I haven't been following this thread for the reasons
1) him getting fired was bullshit
2) in this day and age what kind of dummy would post stuff like that on FB ?...knowing your boss might winde up reading it and using it too fire you.
but all that aside could you imagine the train being as common as facebook :shock: a whole bunch of us might be job hunting.
I haven't been following this thread for the reasons
1) him getting fired was bullshit
2) in this day and age what kind of dummy would post stuff like that on FB ?...knowing your boss might winde up reading it and using it too fire you.
but all that aside could you imagine the train being as common as facebook :shock: a whole bunch of us might be job hunting.
Godfather.
The difference here is that most people have the good sense to post anonymously when they are making politically sensitive remarks. For an amazing teacher, this guy certainly lacked any real common sense.
As far as ethics code ... all for that in the classroom
but when it comes to private time it is anti-freedom of speech rules to me
just another way to control and limit what people can say and be
There is a code of ethics for many professions that extends into ones' personal life, teaching being one of them. And 'private' time, in my definition, does not include facebook. I would have much less of a problem with this particular situation if social media sites were not directly addressed in the school policy; he knew he was in a position to be a mentor and a role model, and hopefully encourage individuality and self-respect in his students. To post something, worded as it was, on facebook was, again, very poor judgment. And when he was called on it, he was very unapologetic about it. People in other professions have been fired for ethical violations which occurred in 'private' time; it's just the way it is. Apparently some of his 'friends' found it sufficiently offensive and bigoted to report it to the school board, and so did the board (again, because it violated employee policy).
I feel it the same, in that, one should be able to voice one's opinion per the rules of the website...
just like they are among friends in a public place ... that's what they are called right?... "friends"
I don't do facebook or twitter
I was under the impression that he posted it on his 'wall' on FB. IF this 'wall' is set to public, it is meant for all 250 million people to see it.
What if he painted the very same remarks on a sign and put it in his front yard?
that would be even dumber huh?
who know though his neighbors might actually support that no telling
but he didn't do that... Jonny
he went to a website where they allow posting like this
It surprises me people are so unwilling to give him a chance to clear his name after 22 years
this surprises more than the fact he did this
I haven't been following this thread for the reasons
1) him getting fired was bullshit
2) in this day and age what kind of dummy would post stuff like that on FB ?...knowing your boss might winde up reading it and using it too fire you.
but all that aside could you imagine the train being as common as facebook :shock: a whole bunch of us might be job hunting.
As far as ethics code ... all for that in the classroom
but when it comes to private time it is anti-freedom of speech rules to me
just another way to control and limit what people can say and be
There is a code of ethics for many professions that extends into ones' personal life, teaching being one of them. And 'private' time, in my definition, does not include facebook. I would have much less of a problem with this particular situation if social media sites were not directly addressed in the school policy; he knew he was in a position to be a mentor and a role model, and hopefully encourage individuality and self-respect in his students. To post something, worded as it was, on facebook was, again, very poor judgment. And when he was called on it, he was very unapologetic about it. People in other professions have been fired for ethical violations which occurred in 'private' time; it's just the way it is. Apparently some of his 'friends' found it sufficiently offensive and bigoted to report it to the school board, and so did the board (again, because it violated employee policy).
yes I got ...how it went down and why
just not so cool on the firing... knee jerk reaction
not so keen on the hate for him personally ... seems a bit two faced
hate is hate
plenty wield it daily... just cover it in a pretty bow and call it an opinion
no different than what he did
his didn't have a bow and it came from the bowels deep within
obviously true rant form
but the outcome is the same ... as always... when a person is unkind
someone gets offended
hope he finds some kindness and gets his second chance on year # 23
I feel it the same, in that, one should be able to voice one's opinion per the rules of the website...
just like they are among friends in a public place ... that's what they are called right?... "friends"
I don't do facebook or twitter
I was under the impression that he posted it on his 'wall' on FB. IF this 'wall' is set to public, it is meant for all 250 million people to see it.
What if he painted the very same remarks on a sign and put it in his front yard?
that would be even dumber huh?
who know though his neighbors might actually support that no telling
but he didn't do that... Jonny
he went to a website where they allow posting like this
It surprises me people are so unwilling to give him a chance to clear his name after 22 years
this surprises more than the fact he did this
Actually the facebook post is dumber in my opinion. There are something like 250 million people on FB. If he put the sign in his yard, he might have only reached 50 people or so. Sure he didnt do that, but I'm making a point, which is that he decided to put these hateful remarks out there where so many people could see it. To me, its the same as putting a sign up in your yard. Maybe you dont realize the scope of facebook.. he might as well get on his roof and yell it into a megaphone.
It matters not if his neighbors support it. Its bigoted hate and despicable.
Surprised that some are unwilling to give him a chance?! I have no time for hateful bigots. He's ruined for all I care. I think he should be nowhere near impressionable children.
I'm not sure who you mean by hating him personally; I never said anything hating him. I do not like bigots, I know that much. And it's a shame that someone who teaches American history feels that way about an historical moment; I would think it could encourage discussion and progression and tolerance...not talk of cesspools and going to hell. And second chances, yeah, alot of people deserve those but don't get them. Harsh reality is a bi*ch.
Actually the facebook post is dumber in my opinion. There are something like 250 million people on FB. If he put the sign in his yard, he might have only reached 50 people or so. Sure he didnt do that, but I'm making a point, which is that he decided to put these hateful remarks out there where so many people could see it. To me, its the same as putting a sign up in your yard. Maybe you dont realize the scope of facebook.. he might as well get on his roof and yell it into a megaphone.
It matters not if his neighbors support it. Its bigoted hate and despicable.
Surprised that some are unwilling to give him a chance?! I have no time for hateful bigots. He's ruined for all I care. I think he should be nowhere near impressionable children.
Surprised that some are unwilling to give him a chance?! I have no time for hateful bigots. He's ruined for all I care. I think he should be nowhere near impressionable children.
You sure changed your mind from a couple pages ago...
you weren't sure he should lose his job now he should never teach again. :?
I guess you don't agree with me
hate is hate Jonny, but it is and its bad for the soul, all of ours
doesn't matter the words it's the feel, if you feel the hate you've lost a battle
Like I said about the light ... those giving the light learn the most
IMO
Forgiveness is divine
it may be the only way to reach a bigot is with love and kindness
I haven't been following this thread for the reasons
1) him getting fired was bullshit
2) in this day and age what kind of dummy would post stuff like that on FB ?...knowing your boss might winde up reading it and using it too fire you.
but all that aside could you imagine the train being as common as facebook :shock: a whole bunch of us might be job hunting.
I haven't been following this thread for the reasons
1) him getting fired was bullshit
2) in this day and age what kind of dummy would post stuff like that on FB ?...knowing your boss might winde up reading it and using it too fire you.
but all that aside could you imagine the train being as common as facebook :shock: a whole bunch of us might be job hunting.
Godfather.
The difference here is that most people have the good sense to post anonymously when they are making politically sensitive remarks. For an amazing teacher, this guy certainly lacked any real common sense.
Or is Godfather your real name?
:shh: ....but only here and my friends outside the train
but yeahhhhh buddy I agree ! I hate to say but he was asking for it when he hit the "share" button .
I'm not sure who you mean by hating him personally; I never said anything hating him. I do not like bigots, I know that much. And it's a shame that someone who teaches American history feels that way about an historical moment; I would think it could encourage discussion and progression and tolerance...not talk of cesspools and going to hell. And second chances, yeah, alot of people deserve those but don't get them. Harsh reality is a bi*ch.
Don't grow hard gentle spirit
the whole point of life is to grow more tender ... thats just my opinion
and you are a lovely spirit ... feel it all these miles away... I do
For me it is not about liking or condoning because I can not but I love and hope for kindness
to help change this man who we mustn't forget is a loved and admired teacher for 22 years.
That's a long time of really good to be thrown away.
I'm not sure who you mean by hating him personally; I never said anything hating him. I do not like bigots, I know that much. And it's a shame that someone who teaches American history feels that way about an historical moment; I would think it could encourage discussion and progression and tolerance...not talk of cesspools and going to hell. And second chances, yeah, alot of people deserve those but don't get them. Harsh reality is a bi*ch.
Don't grow hard gentle spirit
the whole point of life is to grow more tender ... thats just my opinion
and you are a lovely spirit ... feel it all these miles away... I do
For me it is not about liking or condoning because I can not but I love and hope for kindness
to help change this man who we mustn't forget is a loved and admired teacher for 22 years.
That's a long time of really good to be thrown away.
I am a lovely and gentle spirit.. and this is why it upsets me for someone in his position (or anyone, really) to feel the way he does; it is disheartening and disappointing imo. I feel the same way about racism or other discrimination. I doubt he is going to change, honestly. And I know people who were loved and admired in their profession for almost as long, and not given second chances for less blatantly hateful things as this. I feel that only someone who would agree with what he posted on facebook would be tolerant of it. He handled it totally wrong and should have kept it to himself (the smart thing to do). In all my years of education, I would never be able to respect a teacher or professor who would say something like he did. Out the window.
I'm not sure who you mean by hating him personally; I never said anything hating him. I do not like bigots, I know that much. And it's a shame that someone who teaches American history feels that way about an historical moment; I would think it could encourage discussion and progression and tolerance...not talk of cesspools and going to hell. And second chances, yeah, alot of people deserve those but don't get them. Harsh reality is a bi*ch.
Don't grow hard gentle spirit
the whole point of life is to grow more tender ... thats just my opinion
and you are a lovely spirit ... feel it all these miles away... I do
For me it is not about liking or condoning because I can not but I love and hope for kindness
to help change this man who we mustn't forget is a loved and admired teacher for 22 years.
That's a long time of really good to be thrown away.
I am a lovely and gentle spirit.. and this is why it upsets me for someone in his position (or anyone, really) to feel the way he does; it is disheartening and disappointing imo. I feel the same way about racism or other discrimination. I doubt he is going to change, honestly. And I know people who were loved and admired in their profession for almost as long, and not given second chances for less blatantly hateful things as this. I feel that only someone who would agree with what he posted on facebook would be tolerant of it. He handled it totally wrong and should have kept it to himself (the smart thing to do). In all my years of education, I would never be able to respect a teacher or professor who would say something like he did. Out the window.
Well I feel as you do
people are incredibly disappointing... it can break you heart if you let it.
And yes he was wronger than wrong he was hateful... but again many are and without
so much evidence.
I think perhaps we should be glad he did not keep it to himself
not for his sake
but because everything happens for a reason
his actions bring a reaction... bring some closer to their convictions,
clarify others, teach more.
We are all intertwined each one of us and we can only hope for respect for all.
I just wish something different for him. I know if he learns respect he will find respect again.
Maybe someday.
Surprised that some are unwilling to give him a chance?! I have no time for hateful bigots. He's ruined for all I care. I think he should be nowhere near impressionable children.
You sure changed your mind from a couple pages ago...
you weren't sure he should lose his job now he should never teach again. :?
I guess you don't agree with me
hate is hate Jonny, but it is and its bad for the soul, all of ours
doesn't matter the words it's the feel, if you feel the hate you've lost a battle
Like I said about the light ... those giving the light learn the most
IMO
Forgiveness is divine
it may be the only way to reach a bigot is with love and kindness
I had to think this over before I came to a conclusion, but yes, now I am adamant that this guy made a bad mistake that he cant take back. He is a detriment to the education of children in my eyes.
I dont hate him.. I feel bad for him that he was in such a hateful position himself to use extremely poor judgement and that he came to the conclusion that gay marriage could end in a ticket to hell. He's clearly the one with the hate problem.
Forgiveness certainly is important -- if he asked for forgiveness he deserves it. But that doesnt wipe clean the fact that he is a hate filled bigot. All the forgiveness in the world would not convince me that a person like this should be teaching impressionable children.. Time for him to find a new career.
And yes, I'm glad he didnt keep it to himself. Its self destructive and he was asking for it.
Comments
These words said outside his workplace by Jerry not Mr Buell.
it is possible to be a good teacher and still have opinions many don't agree with
don't forget there are people that do agree with him also
takes all kinds
as I said there always will be haters
doesn't matter how they try to sugar coat or hide behind examples or by using civil words
its all the same
hate is hate
but we can show kindness and forgiveness and hopefully this will help tis man do the same
He would be free to make a fool out of himself and if then it carried into his teaching skills
he should be let go for the right reasons... not cause there are rules in place to keep us from voicing our basic freedom but because he was providing a bigoted environment in the classroom....
if he is not, was not or would not he should be allowed to teach.
IMO
Yes, but it got to be news because of the bigoted hate behind his remarks - not because of a rule. Does it matter how it got to his students ears?
Actually I don't and have said as much. Clearly this is a situation very close to your heart which I understand.
#1) I never said anything about free speech
And because things happen doesn't make it right. It's funny that you justify a current situation with something that happened in the past and that the law has said is ok...currently the law allows states to not legalize gay marriage. So since it's happened in the past that gay individuals have not been allowed to marry, it's ok in any future case? Please.
What he said I don't agree with 100%. I just wonder if where he said it should open him up to the possibility of termination. I also said a suspension seemed justified and wondered if coaching should be in order instead of termination (should they terminate him).
I just think there is a fine line that I'm worried about us going over.
if he was teaching it in his classroom then he should be fired...
no question no matter how he presented it to his classroom...
vile or otherwise
if he was sitting in a bar with friends and someone over heard ...what do you think?
I think no... private
I feel the same about facebook... if they allow it there then he should be allowed to voice his opinion
and not lose his job...
I get there is a "rule" in place but that rule is wrong imo ... and should be changed
he should be allowed his opinion outside the classroom.
So many are so quick to write him off after being a great teacher for 22 years.
No room to allow forgiveness or kindness makes him learn nothing
and nothing learned for those so quick to judge.
A little secret... I don't like porn... don't watch it .... never did.
Love love sex but not watching others perform sex acts on each other..
loses something in the translation :?
I find it gross whether that be same sex or heterosexual.
I wouldn't like to even visualize anyone having sex ... I think it very private.
This gays or straights.
Would I go on an open forum and say nasty things about porn and that I thought it vile
and judge those who adore it
probably not cause I just don't think about it... its just not for me.
My point... I understand his being grossed out about it
coupled with his deep core belief that marriage should remain between man and woman...
this is where we part...
I believe in love and marriage period for all human beings.
But I just think this world is spinning fast for some, things can feel wrong and out of control.
The political correctness can become abrasive to one's personal beliefs
whether those are popular or right or wrong.
People can get wild and say things... I feel he deserves a chance to correct this and learn from it.
To many dismiss a life here... a valuable one
and like I said hate is the same in any form even sugarcoated and civil or hidden in snide remarks,
it hurts the person it is directed at in the same way....
yet that is somehow acceptable... I think not.
So unless people here can say they absolutely never prejudge,
blow a gasket, do something dumb, are mean and rude to others,
then they should let this guy just return to class and see how he does.
Everyone is on their path and sometimes they get some light from others along the way
and sometimes the one giving the light learns the most from it.
if that was directed at me :?
Facebook is not private like having a conversation with friends at a bar. It is a public, social forum (addressing 700 people in this case). And it is 'allowed' because it is not a watchdog establishment--nothing like an ethics code of conduct or a specific school policy.
Maybe my wording was bad....What I meant was
I feel it the same, in that, one should be able to voice one's opinion per the rules of the website...
just like they are among friends in a public place ... that's what they are called right?... "friends"
I don't do facebook or twitter
As far as ethics code ... all for that in the classroom
but when it comes to private time it is anti-freedom of speech rules to me
just another way to control and limit what people can say and be
not for that at all but I think you've gathered that.
I was under the impression that he posted it on his 'wall' on FB. IF this 'wall' is set to public, it is meant for all 250 million people to see it.
What if he painted the very same remarks on a sign and put it in his front yard?
1) him getting fired was bullshit
2) in this day and age what kind of dummy would post stuff like that on FB ?...knowing your boss might winde up reading it and using it too fire you.
but all that aside could you imagine the train being as common as facebook :shock: a whole bunch of us might be job hunting.
Godfather.
The difference here is that most people have the good sense to post anonymously when they are making politically sensitive remarks. For an amazing teacher, this guy certainly lacked any real common sense.
Or is Godfather your real name?
who know though his neighbors might actually support that no telling
but he didn't do that... Jonny
he went to a website where they allow posting like this
It surprises me people are so unwilling to give him a chance to clear his name after 22 years
this surprises more than the fact he did this
just not so cool on the firing... knee jerk reaction
not so keen on the hate for him personally ... seems a bit two faced
hate is hate
plenty wield it daily... just cover it in a pretty bow and call it an opinion
no different than what he did
his didn't have a bow and it came from the bowels deep within
obviously true rant form
but the outcome is the same ... as always... when a person is unkind
someone gets offended
hope he finds some kindness and gets his second chance on year # 23
Actually the facebook post is dumber in my opinion. There are something like 250 million people on FB. If he put the sign in his yard, he might have only reached 50 people or so. Sure he didnt do that, but I'm making a point, which is that he decided to put these hateful remarks out there where so many people could see it. To me, its the same as putting a sign up in your yard. Maybe you dont realize the scope of facebook.. he might as well get on his roof and yell it into a megaphone.
It matters not if his neighbors support it. Its bigoted hate and despicable.
Surprised that some are unwilling to give him a chance?! I have no time for hateful bigots. He's ruined for all I care. I think he should be nowhere near impressionable children.
you weren't sure he should lose his job now he should never teach again. :?
I guess you don't agree with me
hate is hate Jonny, but it is and its bad for the soul, all of ours
doesn't matter the words it's the feel, if you feel the hate you've lost a battle
Like I said about the light ... those giving the light learn the most
IMO
Forgiveness is divine
it may be the only way to reach a bigot is with love and kindness
love and respect to you Pandi.. always
Godfather.
:shh: ....but only here and my friends outside the train
but yeahhhhh buddy I agree ! I hate to say but he was asking for it when he hit the "share" button .
Godfather.
the whole point of life is to grow more tender ... thats just my opinion
and you are a lovely spirit ... feel it all these miles away... I do
For me it is not about liking or condoning because I can not but I love and hope for kindness
to help change this man who we mustn't forget is a loved and admired teacher for 22 years.
That's a long time of really good to be thrown away.
He had a chance to clear his name.
Was just interviewed on CNN.
And he doesn't take it back... still stands by it.
So there's his "name."
I wouldn't want that person teaching my kids shit.
people are incredibly disappointing... it can break you heart if you let it.
And yes he was wronger than wrong he was hateful... but again many are and without
so much evidence.
I think perhaps we should be glad he did not keep it to himself
not for his sake
but because everything happens for a reason
his actions bring a reaction... bring some closer to their convictions,
clarify others, teach more.
We are all intertwined each one of us and we can only hope for respect for all.
I just wish something different for him. I know if he learns respect he will find respect again.
Maybe someday.
I had to think this over before I came to a conclusion, but yes, now I am adamant that this guy made a bad mistake that he cant take back. He is a detriment to the education of children in my eyes.
I dont hate him.. I feel bad for him that he was in such a hateful position himself to use extremely poor judgement and that he came to the conclusion that gay marriage could end in a ticket to hell. He's clearly the one with the hate problem.
Forgiveness certainly is important -- if he asked for forgiveness he deserves it. But that doesnt wipe clean the fact that he is a hate filled bigot. All the forgiveness in the world would not convince me that a person like this should be teaching impressionable children.. Time for him to find a new career.
And yes, I'm glad he didnt keep it to himself. Its self destructive and he was asking for it.