Just caught my girlfriends 14 yr old son smoking...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

it just boggles my mind that people actually believe it's up to the NON-SMOKER to conform to the SMOKER. it is just ludicrous.

"hey man, we're in a library, can you turn your music off? I'm trying to study"
"fuck you, I have a right to listen to my music. you are free to go find another library if you don't like it"

see how fucking stupid that is?

and to the person who was "shocked" that in some places banning smoking in cars, yes, where I live, you are not allowed to smoke in a car with anyone else under the age of 16 in it. pandora would have you believe it's "too much government". is it? or is it just that the government has been given no choice by it's constituents but to protect them from themselves? was it really necessary to tell people it's not nice to subject your kids to second hand smoke in a vehicle? unfortunately, that answer is yes.

Jeanwah

pandora wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Jason P wrote:

* Denny's Fried Cheese Melt sales

Ok, ew! What is supposed to be in a sandwich other than cheese and bread that's called a Fried Cheese Melt? What is that?

Do we think that is fried mozzerella sticks inside a grilled cheese? Thats a choking hazard or maybe gagging

Ok, now it makes more sense!

pandora

Paul David wrote:

it just boggles my mind that people actually believe it's up to the NON-SMOKER to conform to the SMOKER. it is just ludicrous.

"hey man, we're in a library, can you turn your music off? I'm trying to study"
"fuck you, I have a right to listen to my music. you are free to go find another library if you don't like it"

see how fucking stupid that is?

and to the person who was "shocked" that in some places banning smoking in cars, yes, where I live, you are not allowed to smoke in a car with anyone else under the age of 16 in it. pandora would have you believe it's "too much government". is it? or is it just that the government has been given no choice by it's constituents but to protect them from themselves? was it really necessary to tell people it's not nice to subject your kids to second hand smoke in a vehicle? unfortunately, that answer is yes.

Where did your first sentence come from? very unlike you... not based in fact and very dramatic.

What is ludicrous is not to compromise and we are discussing consenting adults
in privately owned businesses...
well...at least I was

Smokers are conceding and following public bans but there should be places for them to smoke. Places to gather and enjoy their lives too.

Sorry when nonsmokers can not see the logic in that and will not give a little for the enjoyment of another.

Please I do not want my government protecting me from myself.... ever! if thats what you meant....
I hope not.
That is exactly what we should be worried about.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

It is the very small minded who refuse to compromise.

Smokers are compromising and it is never enough for some nonsmokers.

It is not my unhealthy habit ...I do not smoke but I feel a private business owner should be allowed to provide an atmosphere for his clientele that includes smoking.
If you don't like it don't go there.
There are plenty of nonsmoking options for you.

I myself will enjoy all the places and all the people,
smokers or nonsmokers, because for me, thats what life is all about.
Enjoying people and not judging them because they choose to do something I do not.

I see you skipped over the section on an idol smoking and how you would choose to handle that. Perhaps look disgusted at them and say they stunk and leave their presence.... :?

Equal respect works for every situation and if there was equal respect we wouldn't be talking about this.
But some nonsmokers are over the top and think smokers do not deserve a smoking area and do not deserve respect because of their habit.

you can't compromise on an issue like this. either the smoke is there or it isn't. if it's in a smoking "section", it's still there. smokers are asking me to compromise MY HEALTH FOR THEIR ADDICTION/PERSONAL ENJOYMENT. Where's the respect there? There isn't any. How are smokers (your sweeping generalization, not mine) compromising to anything? They want to be able to smoke everywhere. You're the first person I've ever heard ever mention having "smoking only" establishments. Probably because that's just not a feasible option.

I didn't skip over anything. I didn't know what you were referring to, so I didn't address it. The closest thing I can see is that you mean when waveryder asked me if I would yell at Ed on stage to put out his cigarette? Come on, who heckles someone performing? It has nothing to do about it being Ed or not, I just don't do that. If Ed was sitting beside me at a Neil show, then yeah, I'd probably say something to him. If it was a joint, I'd probably ask him to pass it down.

As I've said time and again, Pandora, I don't have a problem with smokers. I have a problem with selfish people, smokers and non-smokers alike. Did that really need to be said? I know some very selfless smokers, who go outside even if they are told it is ok, don't smoke in their own car when non-smokers are in it, etc.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

:?

BinauralJam

Here's a question, Did the OP ever tell on the kid?

pandora

Paul David wrote:

pandora wrote:

It is the very small minded who refuse to compromise.

Smokers are compromising and it is never enough for some nonsmokers.

It is not my unhealthy habit ...I do not smoke but I feel a private business owner should be allowed to provide an atmosphere for his clientele that includes smoking.
If you don't like it don't go there.
There are plenty of nonsmoking options for you.

I myself will enjoy all the places and all the people,
smokers or nonsmokers, because for me, thats what life is all about.
Enjoying people and not judging them because they choose to do something I do not.

I see you skipped over the section on an idol smoking and how you would choose to handle that. Perhaps look disgusted at them and say they stunk and leave their presence.... :?

Equal respect works for every situation and if there was equal respect we wouldn't be talking about this.
But some nonsmokers are over the top and think smokers do not deserve a smoking area and do not deserve respect because of their habit.

you can't compromise on an issue like this. either the smoke is there or it isn't. if it's in a smoking "section", it's still there. smokers are asking me to compromise MY HEALTH FOR THEIR ADDICTION/PERSONAL ENJOYMENT. Where's the respect there? There isn't any. How are smokers (your sweeping generalization, not mine) compromising to anything? They want to be able to smoke everywhere. You're the first person I've ever heard ever mention having "smoking only" establishments. Probably because that's just not a feasible option.

I didn't skip over anything. I didn't know what you were referring to, so I didn't address it. The closest thing I can see is that you mean when waveryder asked me if I would yell at Ed on stage to put out his cigarette? Come on, who heckles someone performing? It has nothing to do about it being Ed or not, I just don't do that. If Ed was sitting beside me at a Neil show, then yeah, I'd probably say something to him. If it was a joint, I'd probably ask him to pass it down.

As I've said time and again, Pandora, I don't have a problem with smokers. I have a problem with selfish people, smokers and non-smokers alike. Did that really need to be said? I know some very selfless smokers, who go outside even if they are told it is ok, don't smoke in their own car when non-smokers are in it, etc.

I hope you don't find out pot causes cancer just as much or more than second hand smoke :?
It's the new news :shock:

We agree I have a problem too with selfish people and as I said in my very first post it is about respect on both sides of the coin.

I think the all smoking establishment will find its way soon, it is very feasible if government doesn't make life grief for the proprietors. It is needed and deserved by many taxpaying citizens.
It will be like the bars of old...good rock and roll...lots of whiskey
and smoke so thick you can't see the exit.
The kind of place that's full of happy crazy ass people ... just the kind of people I enjoy!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

BinauralJam wrote:

Here's a question, Did the OP ever tell on the kid?

I think the OP wisely abandoned this thread.

pandora

BinauralJam wrote:

Here's a question, Did the OP ever tell on the kid?

I was wondering the same many times over

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

I hope you don't find out pot causes cancer just as much or more than second hand smoke :?
It's the new news :shock:

no shit. I haven't smoked weed in months.

BinauralJam

Paul David wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Here's a question, Did the OP ever tell on the kid?

I think the OP wisely abandoned this thread.

now well never know.

pandora

Paul David wrote:

pandora wrote:

I hope you don't find out pot causes cancer just as much or more than second hand smoke :?
It's the new news :shock:

no shit. I haven't smoked weed in months.

oh but just pass it around and down :? hmmmm

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

Paul David wrote:

pandora wrote:

I hope you don't find out pot causes cancer just as much or more than second hand smoke :?
It's the new news :shock:

no shit. I haven't smoked weed in months.

oh but just pass it around and down :? hmmmm

if the opportunity presents itself, yeah. but it hasn't in quite some time. and yes, pot is no healthier for you than cigarettes, but I've never smoked 25 joints in a day.

my former guitarist......well.......he's a different story.

pandora

Paul David wrote:

pandora wrote:

oh but just pass it around and down :? hmmmm

if the opportunity presents itself, yeah. but it hasn't in quite some time. and yes, pot is no healthier for you than cigarettes, but I've never smoked 25 joints in a day.

my former guitarist......well.......he's a different story.

oh but they, whoever that is, says one joint is worth 20 cigs....

health is extremely overrated... it's not how long you live but how much fun you have :thumbup:

and of course all the people who you meet and love along the way.... smokers or otherwise

WaveRyder

Paul David wrote:

if the opportunity presents itself, yeah. but it hasn't in quite some time. and yes, pot is no healthier for you than cigarettes, but I've never smoked 25 joints in a day.

my former guitarist......well.......he's a different story.

that's a scare tactic that's been disproved, long ago.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

WaveRyder wrote:

Paul David wrote:

if the opportunity presents itself, yeah. but it hasn't in quite some time. and yes, pot is no healthier for you than cigarettes, but I've never smoked 25 joints in a day.

my former guitarist......well.......he's a different story.

that's a scare tactic that's been disproved, long ago.

it doesn't matter to me either way. I rarely do it anyway.

Black73

WaveRyder wrote:

Paul David wrote:

if the opportunity presents itself, yeah. but it hasn't in quite some time. and yes, pot is no healthier for you than cigarettes, but I've never smoked 25 joints in a day.

my former guitarist......well.......he's a different story.

that's a scare tactic that's been disproved, long ago.

Based on the logic you've displayed in this thread, I'd guess you weren't scared, huh?