The 2013-14 NBA season

RiotZact

81 wrote:

RiotZact wrote:

if it wasn't for Shaq I don't think Kobe would even be in this discussion or have any rings

you do realize Kobe has two rings post shaq?

true but I'm not so sure that he ever would have became so popular if it wasn't for him winning the first 3 with Shaq and then how do we know that the team goes and builds a team around him or even keeps him on the team period, he really never hit his stride until 10 years after he was drafted, do you think they would have waited around that long? I don't know maybe it's just my hate for Kobe and love for Shaq showing through but that's always been how I thought about it

81

The Juggler wrote:

he wasn't a point guard.

michael jordan is #82 by the way.

please say you aren't trying to compare the two...

but real quick

jordan had a higher scoring average...higher block rate, higher steal rate, higher rebounding rate, and shot better from the 3pt line, free throw line and overall from the field.....and was a brilliant overall defender.

plus he practiced to make both himself and his teammates better....

RiotZact

81 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

he wasn't a point guard.

michael jordan is #82 by the way.

please say you aren't trying to compare the two...

but real quick

jordan had a higher scoring average...higher block rate, higher steal rate, higher rebounding rate, and shot better from the 3pt line, free throw line and overall from the field.....and was a brilliant overall defender.

plus he practiced to make both himself and his teammates better....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZARgv6ulkg


Just kidding, there is no comparison but that was an awesome play

The Juggler

81 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

he wasn't a point guard.

michael jordan is #82 by the way.

please say you aren't trying to compare the two...

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of course i'm not. but you guys are calling ai a point guard (he was not) and poo pooing 6.4 assists per game or whatever it was. that is nothing to poo poo about especially for a guy who averaged 27 points per game.


yes, i said poo-pooing

dcfaithful

The Juggler wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

81 wrote:

he averaged 6.2 per game for his carrer

For a PG, I'd say that's a low stat... but then again, different styles of PG I guess... he was a consistent scorer, with 26.7 PPG.

he wasn't a point guard.

michael jordan is #82 by the way.

He was known to play both PG and SG. I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered AI playing the PG almost primarily... :?

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

he wasn't a point guard.

michael jordan is #82 by the way.
please say you aren't trying to compare the two...


of course i'm not. but you guys are calling ai a point guard (he was not) and poo pooing 6.4 assists per game or whatever it was. that is nothing to poo poo about especially for a guy who averaged 27 points per game.


yes, i said poo-pooing

and don't forget Iverson played with a shitfest of teammates. how does this group sound? jerry stackhouse, larry hughes, keith van horn, todd mccullough, dikembe mutombo, theo ratliff, eric snow, aaron mckie and i'm sure i'm missing a shitload of other stiffs.

and juggler as i said about a page ago Rodman was never better than the 3rd best player on his own team. i don't see how you take a guy who was never a star of a team over iverson. but that is coming from a guy who watched a ton of iverson games and most of his career.

81

pjhawks wrote:

i don't see how you take a guy who was never a star of a team over iverson.

both were great players on the court....

and being they played different positions and all that...

AI was still a chump off the court and a lousy teammate

the truly great ones look forward to practice to improve themselves and their teammates.

The Juggler

dcfaithful wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

For a PG, I'd say that's a low stat... but then again, different styles of PG I guess... he was a consistent scorer, with 26.7 PPG.

he wasn't a point guard.

michael jordan is #82 by the way.

He was known to play both PG and SG. I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered AI playing the PG almost primarily... :?

eric snow was the point guard. ai was sort of a hybrid shooting guard. snow brought the ball up and, invariably, it would end up in ai's hands pretty quickly. but he was not a pg for most of his time here.

The Juggler

81 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

i don't see how you take a guy who was never a star of a team over iverson.

both were great players on the court....

and being they played different positions and all that...

AI was still a chump off the court and a lousy teammate

the truly great ones look forward to practice to improve themselves and their teammates.

i think it's easier to find players who did what rodman did than what iverson did. rodman was essentially a role player for his entire career. he never had plays called for him. ever.

81

The Juggler wrote:

81 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

i don't see how you take a guy who was never a star of a team over iverson.

both were great players on the court....

and being they played different positions and all that...

AI was still a chump off the court and a lousy teammate

the truly great ones look forward to practice to improve themselves and their teammates.

i think it's easier to find players who did what rodman did than what iverson did. rodman was essentially a role player for his entire career. he never had plays called for him. ever.

when was the last time you saw somebody average 18 boards a game for a season?

i see 30 point averages every year.


but i sort of agree...it's tougher to find an elite scorer. you can be a great rebounder/defender if you are athetic enough and put your mind to it.

RiotZact

81 wrote:

when was the last time you saw somebody average 18 boards a game for a season?

i see 30 point averages every year.

I agree, especially at his height it's insane that he could do that

dcfaithful

The Juggler wrote:

eric snow was the point guard. ai was sort of a hybrid shooting guard. snow brought the ball up and, invariably, it would end up in ai's hands pretty quickly. but he was not a pg for most of his time here.

Thank you for clarifying, I had always thought he was a PG... me thinking his assist numbers being low for a PG now makes sense seeing as thought he was not primarily one.

The Juggler

81 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

81 wrote:

i think it's easier to find players who did what rodman did than what iverson did. rodman was essentially a role player for his entire career. he never had plays called for him. ever.

when was the last time you saw somebody average 18 boards a game for a season?

i see 30 point averages every year.


but i sort of agree...it's tougher to find an elite scorer. you can be a great rebounder/defender if you are athetic enough and put your mind to it.

but only 2 guys averaged more than 25ppg last year. and ai almost singlehandidly led his team to the finals. a rodman type player cannot do that. he's a role player.

i'm not saying it's easy to find a guy who can grab that many rebounds. but you can find multiple role players to pound the boards and accomplish something similiar.

with all that said, i would loooooooooooooooooooooove a rodman type player on the sixers right now

RiotZact

The Juggler wrote:

with all that said, i would loooooooooooooooooooooove a rodman type player on the sixers right now

+85 trillion

polaris_x

is there actually a discussion on rodman vs. iverson!?? ... this board is awesome ...

81

polaris_x wrote:

is there actually a discussion on rodman vs. iverson!?? ... this board is awesome ...

stick around, next topic is great Raptors past and present...

polaris_x

81 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

is there actually a discussion on rodman vs. iverson!?? ... this board is awesome ...

stick around, next topic is great Raptors past and present...

haha ... the only guy that counts is alvin williams ... maybe damon stoudemire gets an honorable mention but that's it ... oh ... and toronto loves the oak but he only played like a year or two here ...

edit: sorry - you said great ... there are none ... ... the guys i mentioned are guys fans like ...

81

Ed Pinckney was the greatest Raptor of all time...no doubt

norm

polaris_x wrote:

is there actually a discussion on rodman vs. iverson!?? ... this board is awesome ...

i blame the lockout


and philly peeps defending anything philly :P

Indifference71

RiotZact wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

you obviously don't know what your talking about, but I'm sticking with Rodman, he was just such a beast and without a doubt the best pound for pound defender ever, on another note does anyone agree with me that Shaq is the second greatest player of all time??

Take it easy buddy....it was a joke. But thanks for sharing your basketball expertise....I feel enlightened.