The 2013-14 NBA season

Indifference71

81 wrote:

pssst...he didn't win with Duncan...

2 with Detroit

3 with Chicago

i guess Ai vs. Rodman boils down to what you like

Rodman - defense, rebounding, a few put back points, hustle, old school all around tough nosed player

vs

AI - scoring, assisting

i think Rodman practiced as well.

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

g under p

The third week of January is the earliest I see the NBA RETURNING. Who does this benefit unfortunately a team like the Heat who don't really need the too entirely long 82 game season. To me it appears it will be another 50 game season packed tight where a younger team like the Heat should prosper.

Peace

81

Indifference71 wrote:

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

he averaged 6.2 per game for his carrer

81

g under p wrote:

The third week of January is the earliest I see the NBA RETURNING. Who does this benefit unfortunately a team like the Heat who don't really need the too entirely long 82 game season. To me it appears it will be another 50 game season packed tight where a younger team like the Heat should prosper.

Peace

:?: younger teams are better equiped to handle the grind of an 82 game season. it's the older more mature teams that will benifit from playing fewer games....teams like San Antonio which ran out of gas last year. Dallas and Boston will benifit as well.

young teams with young players need more time to gel, more time to practice, more time to gain confidence.

pjhawks

81 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

talks resuming today...

maybe players finally realize they can't win and should shut up and collect their pay and play.

juggler see previous page. want to hear your thoughts on iverson vs. rodman. a couple of guys here are trying to tell me that rodman was better and more of a hall of famer than iverson (one guy even mentioned rodman's championships cause you know playing with jordan and duncan had nothing to do with those). as an aside Bill Simmons list Iverson as #29 all time and Rodman #69 all time in his book of Basketball.

pssst...he didn't win with Duncan...

2 with Detroit

3 with Chicago

i guess Ai vs. Rodman boils down to what you like

Rodman - defense, rebounding, a few put back points, hustle, old school all around tough nosed player

vs

AI - scoring, assisting

i think Rodman practiced as well.


as far as championships go...do they bulls beat utah in 98 without rodman guarding malone? do they go 72-10 in 95/96?

hmmm i thought simmons' book had him winning 6 NBA titles but his wikipedia pages has only 5 titles. i assumed he won with the spurs. i'll have to re-check that.

arguments against rodman: only averaged 7.4 points per game, only made 2 all-stars and was he ever better than the 3rd best player on his team?

81

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ade01.html

he played in SA the two years that Houston won the title

pjhawks

81 wrote:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html

he played in SA the two years that Houston won the title

ah i stand corrected.

RiotZact

Indifference71 wrote:

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

you obviously don't know what your talking about, but I'm sticking with Rodman, he was just such a beast and without a doubt the best pound for pound defender ever, on another note does anyone agree with me that Shaq is the second greatest player of all time??

81

RiotZact wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

you obviously don't know what your talking about, but I'm sticking with Rodman, he was just such a beast and without a doubt the best pound for pound defender ever, on another note does anyone agree with me that Shaq is the second greatest player of all time??

i'm gonna go no.

in a close game your best players need to be on the floor....Shaq was often taken off because he couldn't hit a free throw.

i'd take kareem over shaq all day everyday

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lka01.html

RiotZact

ouch. gonna have to strongly disagree with you 81, to each their own but I would barley have sweet lew in my top 10........I was expecting you to say something like Bird, West, or Russel in which case I would have agreed more, IMO it's about a 4 way tie for 2nd between them

pjhawks

RiotZact wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

you obviously don't know what your talking about, but I'm sticking with Rodman, he was just such a beast and without a doubt the best pound for pound defender ever, on another note does anyone agree with me that Shaq is the second greatest player of all time??

shaq was like wilt in that he was completely unstoppable at times but no not 2nd greatest of all time. jordan magic bird and kareem were better and i also think kobe is better.

Bill Simmons has Shaq ranked 11th with these 10 ahead of him

10. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Oscar Robertson
8. Jerry West
7. Tim Duncan
6. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Larry Bird
4. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Bill Russell
1. Michael Jordan

81

RiotZact wrote:

ouch. gonna have to strongly disagree with you 81, to each their own but I would barley have sweet lew in my top 10........I was expecting you to say something like Bird, West, or Russel in which case I would have agreed more, IMO it's about a 4 way tie for 2nd between them

to each their own... but if you are looking for a center that can do it all....you really should take a look at Kareem. go take a few minutes and compare careers

RiotZact

Thats an interesting list, have to disagree with Duncan, I wouldn't even consider him the greatest spur, also would put west a little higher.........but Kobe better than shaq?!?!?! :shock: if it wasn't for Shaq I don't think Kobe would even be in this discussion or have any rings

81

RiotZact wrote:

if it wasn't for Shaq I don't think Kobe would even be in this discussion or have any rings

you do realize Kobe has two rings post shaq?

The Juggler

81 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

talks resuming today...

maybe players finally realize they can't win and should shut up and collect their pay and play.

juggler see previous page. want to hear your thoughts on iverson vs. rodman. a couple of guys here are trying to tell me that rodman was better and more of a hall of famer than iverson (one guy even mentioned rodman's championships cause you know playing with jordan and duncan had nothing to do with those). as an aside Bill Simmons list Iverson as #29 all time and Rodman #69 all time in his book of Basketball.

pssst...he didn't win with Duncan...

2 with Detroit

3 with Chicago

i guess Ai vs. Rodman boils down to what you like

Rodman - defense, rebounding, a few put back points, hustle, old school all around tough nosed player

vs

AI - scoring, assisting

i think Rodman practiced as well.


as far as championships go...do they bulls beat utah in 98 without rodman guarding malone? do they go 72-10 in 95/96?

how can you compare a scoring guard to a rebounding forward who didn't care about scoring?

i think they're both hall of famers. however i don't think rodman gets in without being on those pistons or bulls teams. ai gets in without a title. that says something.

81

The Juggler wrote:

how can you compare a scoring guard to a rebounding forward who didn't care about scoring?

happens every draft day....

although team needs do come into play...

if on draft day, you knew how each player's career would pan out...which one is the juggler drafting?

The Juggler

81 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

how can you compare a scoring guard to a rebounding forward who didn't care about scoring?

happens every draft day....

although team needs do come into play...
if on draft day, you knew how each player's career would pan out...which one is the juggler drafting?

depends on what your team needs. that is absolutely what the draft is about. comparing these two guys is like comparing a qb to a defensive tackle. 2 completely different kinds of players.

the better question would be if you were starting a team from scratch today, who would you take? ai is the better overall player but difficult to build around. rodman is the ultimate team player but can't lead a team on his own. both come with their own baggage.

i honestly don't know. probably ai. and i, of course, will be build a better team around him than what the sixers did.

dcfaithful

81 wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

he averaged 6.2 per game for his carrer

For a PG, I'd say that's a low stat... but then again, different styles of PG I guess... he was a consistent scorer, with 26.7 PPG.

81

dcfaithful wrote:

81 wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

he averaged 6.2 per game for his carrer

For a PG, I'd say that's a low stat... but then again, different styles of PG I guess... he was a consistent scorer, with 26.7 PPG.

47th overall

http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... areer.html

considering he scores as much as he does...it's not all that bad.

The Juggler

dcfaithful wrote:

81 wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

AI assisting??? He never passed the ball!

he averaged 6.2 per game for his carrer

For a PG, I'd say that's a low stat... but then again, different styles of PG I guess... he was a consistent scorer, with 26.7 PPG.

he wasn't a point guard.

michael jordan is #82 by the way.