Chris Paul trade stained NBA’s credibility
Adrian Wojnarowski
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 51 minutes ago
The coincidence was uncanny: Blind bidding on the amnesty waiver wire, several teams with a chance to claim Chauncey Billups, and somehow the Los Angeles Clippers made the highest offer. All these years owner Donald Sterling was the bane of the commissioner’s existence, and now David Stern needed him in the worst way. All the times Stern let the creep slide on professional and personal indiscretions, the NBA knew the Clippers were the final, most legitimate suitor still standing to bail the league out of its own self-created Chris Paul debacle.
So, yes, the Clippers bid just north of $2 million on Billups, and the NBA has left everyone justified to wonder about the purity of that process. No one blinked. No one voiced a grievance. Nevertheless, this is the fairest question of the post-lockout NBA: From Stern to deputies Adam Silver, Joel Litvin and Stu Jackson, how can anyone ever be sure – despite denials to the contrary – that someone didn’t tip Clippers management to make sure they placed the highest bid?
After all, Stern and his lieutenants were no longer playing commissioner and bureaucrats, they were playing basketball God in the NBA. This isn’t to charge them with fraud, but to simply say: There’s an appearance of impropriety that ought to be unsettling to everyone.
Under a different circumstance, we could simply give a nod to Clippers general manager Neil Olshey for such an astute move, but these are unprecedented times in the NBA and facts are facts: Until Billups was a Clipper, the Clippers were sluggish to include Eric Gordon into the trade for Paul. The uncertain deals behind this deal should forever haunt the NBA.
Make no mistake: The amnesty bids were shuttled through the same office – the same desk – as the bidding on the superstar point guard. Whatever the outcome the NBA truly wanted, the assignment of Billups played a critical role in the outcome of the trade. It doesn’t matter that the NBA muscled a better deal than the one Hornets GM Dell Demps negotiated with the Los Angeles Lakers. Pro sports are forever a results-oriented business, but this time it’s different.
The process matters.
The process was everything.
“That’s our problem as a league now,” one NBA general manager told Yahoo! Sports. “Everything they do gets thrown into question now, because they have conflicts everywhere. It all got exposed in this one – all came out in the public.”
The NBA pushed aside a standing general manager, Demps, and the league office led by Stern (the commissioner), Litvin (an attorney) and Jackson (the failed GM of all GMs) ran the trade talks for the Hornets. They were no longer spectators to the machinations of the 30 teams’ movements, but active participants, controlling the destiny of one of the NBA’s major talents.
Jackson was the professed basketball man here, and he happens to go down in history as one of the worst GMs in the league’s history. From signing Bryant “Big Country” Reeves to a $62-million extension to drafting Steve Francis when it was clear Francis would never play in Vancouver to trading the rights to the eventual No. 2 pick in the 2003 draft for Otis Thorpe, Jackson’s run as GM stands as one of the most inept ever.
Now, Jackson was engaged in the Hornets’ trade talks, helping peddle deals for one of the NBA’s franchise players.
Demps wanted the Lakers trade to lift the Hornets into the playoffs, wanted a team of talent and made an initial deal that included Lamar Odom, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic and a draft pick. The Clippers had a young package on the table, but Demps believed it was important to win games, to sell tickets and get back to the playoffs again.
Demps had come from San Antonio, and he believed something strongly: He didn’t want a bad team. He wanted to win. He owed it to his talented young coach, Monty Williams, to the fans buying season tickets in a small market. He wanted to trade Paul and still make the playoffs. That’s considered a sin in this NBA, where small-market cap space and vague draft picks create an illusion of success in today’s bottom-line financial climate.
For Stern to get on a conference call and force Demps, Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak and Rockets GM Daryl Morey to listen to him say, “Dell never thought the deal to be done,” is beyond disingenuous and insulting. Stern can say it, and Demps, the Lakers and Rockets can’t ever challenge him. Demps made the deal because no one had ever told him of the league’s mandate to receive young players and picks for Paul until after they killed the initial Lakers trade, league sources said.
It never mattered to Stern the hundreds of hours that those teams and the Boston Celtics and Indiana Pacers invested into deals that Stern wouldn’t have allowed anyway. All Stern ever cared about was freeing himself of lawsuit liability, keeping the NBA from another super-team perception with the Lakers and selling the Hornets for every final dollar. Everything else was someone else’s mess to clean up.
The NBA let the deal reach fruition, and then abruptly canceled it. It wouldn’t be long until Stern’s underlings started to pass word onto league personnel that Demps hadn’t been forthcoming to the league office on the Clippers offer, that he couldn’t be trusted, that the NBA had every right to take over the talks. If Demps wants to keep a job in the NBA, you’ll never hear him explain his side.
“Dell’s problem was that every time he forwarded something to the league office, he felt it got leaked within an hour,” said one friend of Demps. “That’s why I think he became more careful of that.”
The ripples of the NBA holding up the Paul trade have impacted teams beyond the Hornets. The Houston Rockets had worked for two full years to get into position to make a deal for an elite player like Pau Gasol. While the Rockets were stuck in this web, trade partners were falling off the board, committing to free agents and leaving the market. Had the Rockets been able to make the deal for Gasol, they would’ve had the space to sign Nene to the $67-million deal Denver gave him. Suddenly, the Rockets would’ve been a 50-, 55-victory team again and back in Western Conference contention. Now, they’re reeling.
Once the initial trade was canceled and the whispers out of New York began to damage Demps’ good name, teams soon became reluctant to deal with the non-decision maker of the process. The Hornets tried to revive the three-way trade with the Lakers and Rockets, but when the NBA contradicted what Demps told L.A. and Houston about what needed to change to complete the deal, those teams knew he had been rendered irrelevant.
“Once it was the NBA running things, it was no longer a negotiation process,” one official said. “It was a shakedown.”
The Hornets told trade partners it was likely they could accept the Rockets’ and Lakers’ packages with minimal changes: a first-round pick from the Lakers and minor assets from the Rockets, perhaps a second-round pick. As it turned out, the NBA demanded Kyle Lowry and Patrick Paterson be added to Houston’s offer. Now, the Rockets had been told five of their top six players were needed to get Gasol in a trade.
The Rockets would’ve walked anyway, but the Lakers beat them to it. One league official says owner Jerry Buss’ attitude basically was the NBA had gone too far, and he pulled his team out of the talks. Soon, the Lakers sent Lamar Odom to the Mavericks and it became clear: The NBA’s machinations and maneuvering had dramatically impacted the Western Conference’s balance of power.
In the end, Stern wouldn’t allow the NBA to walk away without claiming a victory. This is Stern’s NBA, where he’s always believed the end justifies the means. For 30 teams competing, that largely should be the case. Yet, this wasn’t the Hornets competing to make a deal. This was the league office forcing itself into the trade market, dictating NBA winners and losers and leaving too much carnage, too many questions, in its wake. Once the commissioner entered the fray, the embarrassment of losing was never an option.
The league insists this was a normal negotiation process, but it was nothing close. As an institution, it is easy to renege on a deal for a top-five player and seek out a better one because you never have to negotiate with these people again. That’s an unfair advantage for the NBA, and purely destructive for those left in the job in New Orleans.
For all the suspicions those inside and out of the league have about the motives and agendas of those running the NBA, this was an episode to turn the cynical downright despondent. You win, Clippers. You lose, Lakers and Rockets. You win Chris Paul, you lose Dell Demps. The NBA waved its wand, and everyone else lives with the consequences. This was wrong, and Gordon and Minnesota’s draft pick will never, ever make it right.
One minute, the Clippers wouldn’t budge on trading Gordon and the 2012 first-round pick, and the next, the deal was done. Across Stu Jackson’s desk, there passed the trade packages for Paul, and the so-called secret amnesty bids for Billups. Always a nice, tidy completion for Stern.
Perhaps no one will ever know the truth about how Chris Paul became a Clipper, about perhaps where the lines blurred between a negotiation and a shakedown. Nevertheless, the star point guard gets to throw lobs to Blake Griffin in Hollywood, Demps gets to repair his credibility in the draft lottery, the Lakers and Rockets get shafted and Stern and his unforgiving, unrelenting Olympic Tower gang reminds the NBA once again: Our league, our whims.
“Let’s not talk too much about how the sausage was made,” Stern said late Wednesday.
All these years, all the episodes, and something never changes: David Stern never wants that curtain pulled back.
“Let’s not talk too much about how the sausage was made,” Stern said late Wednesday.
:roll:
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
yeah ... was gonna post that ... are we really surprised there was collusion? ... :evil:
when stern said "basketball reasons" after nixing the lakers trade i knew he was orchestrating something...didn't think it would be helping the clippers :? unless sterling has told stern he's getting ready to sell and stern wants to up their value
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
probably that one year in the mid 90's when they missed the playoffs for the only time in the last 30 years...or the 17 championships...somewhere in there they weren't great
probably that one year in the mid 90's when they missed the playoffs for the only time in the last 30 years...or the 17 championships...somewhere in there they weren't great
probably that one year in the mid 90's when they missed the playoffs for the only time in the last 30 years...or the 17 championships...somewhere in there they weren't great
1991 sounds about right.
When Magic retired?
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probably that one year in the mid 90's when they missed the playoffs for the only time in the last 30 years...or the 17 championships...somewhere in there they weren't great
But that ranking says 6th? Are they going down or just in a rough patch?
probably that one year in the mid 90's when they missed the playoffs for the only time in the last 30 years...or the 17 championships...somewhere in there they weren't great
good times!
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
and what game does NBA TV pick to kick off the preseason scheudle......
Cavs and Pistons
2 1/2 hours of irrelevancy.
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016 Fenway 2, 2018 MSG 2022 St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023 MSG 2024, MSG 2024 Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
That was a fantastic article, thank you for sharing.
The NBA desperately needs players with class and integrity like Brandon Roy. It's a shame to see such a guy with great character and talent have his career end this way.
I hope he returns to the Blazers int he future in some capacity or another.
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
That was a fantastic article, thank you for sharing.
The NBA desperately needs players with class and integrity like Brandon Roy. It's a shame to see such a guy with great character and talent have his career end this way.
I hope he returns to the Blazers int he future in some capacity or another.
You should read the twitter feedback Quick got, it's amazing. In some ways I'm jealous of people in Portland and other cities where you feel like you get to know the players a lot more than you do in big cities like New York.
Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016 Fenway 2, 2018 MSG 2022 St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023 MSG 2024, MSG 2024 Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
That was a fantastic article, thank you for sharing.
The NBA desperately needs players with class and integrity like Brandon Roy. It's a shame to see such a guy with great character and talent have his career end this way.
I hope he returns to the Blazers int he future in some capacity or another.
You should read the twitter feedback Quick got, it's amazing. In some ways I'm jealous of people in Portland and other cities where you feel like you get to know the players a lot more than you do in big cities like New York.
Behind the Jazz, I've always been a fan of the Blazers franchise... but I don't feel as emotionally attached to the team like I do the Jazz (having grown up in Jazz-country), but reading all the support from the Portland fans, and the obvious connection Quick felt with Roy through the years of covering him... it kind of breaks my heart.
I hope Brandon realizes that not just Portland fans appreciate his honesty, class, emotion, etc., but many other fans do. He was great for the league. It's a fucking shame that he wont' be able to influence it anymore.
:(
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
dry your eyes, DC , and tell me what you think of josh howard. not exactly a Jazz type "character guy."
plus, I want to see the young guys and they keep signing has beens.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
dry your eyes, DC , and tell me what you think of josh howard. not exactly a Jazz type "character guy."
plus, I want to see the young guys and they keep signing has beens.
Good signing.
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fuck if it doesn't rain, it pours...first davey stern and now vanessa :x
Wasn't the first one the hiring of Mike Brown with notifying him?
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Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
seriously...that's the quote that's really pissed me off
when stern said "basketball reasons" after nixing the lakers trade i knew he was orchestrating something...didn't think it would be helping the clippers :? unless sterling has told stern he's getting ready to sell and stern wants to up their value
you nominate...I second.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
define ever
probably that one year in the mid 90's when they missed the playoffs for the only time in the last 30 years...or the 17 championships...somewhere in there they weren't great
1991 sounds about right.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
i think it was 94-95...whenever magic coached for 28 games...91 was magic's last year and your boys first championship
But that ranking says 6th? Are they going down or just in a rough patch?
AHhh haha, I think I'll let you guys to it..
brisk, those rankings are for the upcoming season...the lakers are like the man u of the nba
he knew he wouldn't be able to get by the Bulls :P
good times!
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Cavs and Pistons
2 1/2 hours of irrelevancy.
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index ... it_wa.html
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
That was a fantastic article, thank you for sharing.
The NBA desperately needs players with class and integrity like Brandon Roy. It's a shame to see such a guy with great character and talent have his career end this way.
I hope he returns to the Blazers int he future in some capacity or another.
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
You should read the twitter feedback Quick got, it's amazing. In some ways I'm jealous of people in Portland and other cities where you feel like you get to know the players a lot more than you do in big cities like New York.
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
Behind the Jazz, I've always been a fan of the Blazers franchise... but I don't feel as emotionally attached to the team like I do the Jazz (having grown up in Jazz-country), but reading all the support from the Portland fans, and the obvious connection Quick felt with Roy through the years of covering him... it kind of breaks my heart.
I hope Brandon realizes that not just Portland fans appreciate his honesty, class, emotion, etc., but many other fans do. He was great for the league. It's a fucking shame that he wont' be able to influence it anymore.
:(
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
plus, I want to see the young guys and they keep signing has beens.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful