Canadian Conservative Party Supporters

ACCBootlegGoddess

What kind of scandal would it take for you guys to vote for a different party?? I'm not asking what would make you vote for ignatieff.

The conservatives have been found in contempt of Parliament, took away our civil rights during the G8/G20, and now it appears as though they illegally got their G8/G20 spending through parliament. Yet the Cons are STILL up 10 points in the polls.
WTF do they have to do for you all to say "enough is enough!" I REALLY wanna know.

Please don't take this thread to mean that I think the other parties are innocent. I remember the sponsership scandal and I remember the Bob Rae government...but neither showed as much contempt for the Canadian people and democracy as the Harper Government has. I don't understand this unfailing loyalty so many people STILL have to that party. Please enlighten me.

tvismyfriend

Stephen Harper can do no wrong. He's managed to convince the public that his opposition are power hungry and can't be trusted. I had someone tell me that they're voting for him so that these elections can stop. Because they're sick and tired of the opposition forcing elections.

guitar59

I think the other parties would have to have more trustworthy, less power hungry leaders...

ShimmyMommy

I never vote conservative....as for the rest, I am always attempting to decipher which are the lesser of all the evils...until all parties have regained their moral responsibility to the citizens who they are supposed to represent, they are all going to cause damage...the one who will make the least amount is usually the one I vote for...seriously.

ACCBootlegGoddess

guitar59 wrote:

I think the other parties would have to have more trustworthy, less power hungry leaders...

Ok so I get the sponsorship scandal making Liberals untrustworthy. I don't see a problem with someone working abroad...many Canadians do that. Doesn't make them less Canadian.

What else makes Libs less trustworthy than a dictator wannabe?? Who runs on a platform on transparency and then blocks access to information requests, is incontempt of parliament, bars people from his rallies because they are trying to edcuate themselves on ALL parties to make an informed decision, and illegally gets spending for G20/G8 through parliament?

lukin2006

I doubt you'll find a lot of Harper supporters here. My guess as to why he might get a majority is that people are tired of these constant elections.

ShimmyMommy

lukin2006 wrote:

I doubt you'll find a lot of Harper supporters here. My guess as to why he might get a majority is that people are tired of these constant elections.

Why can't we vote at the same time for municipal, provincial & federal? It would save a shitload of money and time. You are right lukin2006, we are always running to the damn polls!! :x

ACCBootlegGoddess

lukin2006 wrote:

I doubt you'll find a lot of Harper supporters here. My guess as to why he might get a majority is that people are tired of these constant elections.

There used to be like 3 or 4 dieheard conservatives on this board (that posted here in AMT). They were the Cons can do no wrong variety. I guess they aren't around much anymore.

Drowned Out

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

I doubt you'll find a lot of Harper supporters here. My guess as to why he might get a majority is that people are tired of these constant elections.

There used to be like 3 or 4 dieheard conservatives on this board (that posted here in AMT). They were the Cons can do no wrong variety. I guess they aren't around much anymore.

We're talkin to you, reborn....we know you're still around


What's the big deal with constant elections?

Each election costs almost exactly one F-35. Well...according to the Cons. The budget office will tell you that you can get two elections for every F-35.

Hmmmmm....one instrument of death sacrificed to get a nation to pay attention to it's politics for a couple months? Small price to pay if you ask me. If only we could pay for elections with F-35's....:(

polaris_x

actually ... when i talked to reborn - he wasn't a diehard conservative ... the thing with conservative voters is that their base is interested in several things:

1. lower taxes
2. more individual freedoms (unless you are gay or an immigrant)

everything else are like clouds in the sky ... eventually they clear up ... as long as the Conservatives are the lone right wing voice and continue to launch a negative fear based campaing - they will not lose their voter base ...

gimmesometruth27

polaris_x wrote:

actually ... when i talked to reborn - he wasn't a diehard conservative ... the thing with conservative voters is that their base is interested in several things:

1. lower taxes
2. more individual freedoms (unless you are gay or an immigrant)

everything else are like clouds in the sky ... eventually they clear up ... as long as the Conservatives are the lone right wing voice and continue to launch a negative fear based campaing - they will not lose their voter base ...

unless a canadian tea party magically pops up after a less than desirable election outcome for the conservatives...

polaris_x

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

unless a canadian tea party magically pops up after a less than desirable election outcome for the conservatives...

the conservative party IS the tea party ... the current conservative party was born from the old reform/alliance party which is very much tea party like ...

also ... a popular conservative mpp (provincial - ontario) here lost his nomination bid in his riding to a candidate with tea party like platform ...

gimmesometruth27

polaris_x wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

unless a canadian tea party magically pops up after a less than desirable election outcome for the conservatives...

the conservative party IS the tea party ... the current conservative party was born from the old reform/alliance party which is very much tea party like ...

also ... a popular conservative mpp (provincial - ontario) here lost his nomination bid in his riding to a candidate with tea party like platform ...

wow, and i thought Canada as a nation was more intelligent and more progressive than the us. thanks for clarifying for me. when i said the tea party would pop up, i meant that people would all of a sudden think that they are politically aware and start protesting things that they do not understand, like what happened here...i admit i have not followed Canadian politics very closely just because there are quite a few parties and the platforms are different than what i would have expected and it just confuses me. i have family from Saskatoon and Calgary, so maybe i had better pay closer attention.

bytterman

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

unless a canadian tea party magically pops up after a less than desirable election outcome for the conservatives...

Imagine a Canadian Palin...unabashed and ill-informed hubris collides headlong with 'oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend'...armies of psychologists would be employed for years.

polaris_x wrote:

the conservative party IS the tea party ... the current conservative party was born from the old reform/alliance party which is very much tea party like ...

also ... a popular conservative mpp (provincial - ontario) here lost his nomination bid in his riding to a candidate with tea party like platform ...

What specifically was tea-ish, and what part of ON? I'm not entirely clear on the tea party thing, I know that they're the spend-not-a-dime folks but how is that different than the mainstream gop?

lukin2006

A vote for any of the mainstream parties is just a vote for corruption.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

actually ... when i talked to reborn - he wasn't a diehard conservative ... the thing with conservative voters is that their base is interested in several things:

1. lower taxes
2. more individual freedoms (unless you are gay or an immigrant)

everything else are like clouds in the sky ... eventually they clear up ... as long as the Conservatives are the lone right wing voice and continue to launch a negative fear based campaing - they will not lose their voter base ...

Were you referring to me? Because if you were, I prefer not label myself, I may have at one time, but personally I think members of all political stripes have some good ideas, the problem is they have far more crappy ideas than good ones. The 1 thing hate about government is wasteful spending, the g8/g20 is a great example, 2 billion, seriously. The whole problem is whether it's the liberals or conservative's in power federally their corrupt. Yes Harper has to go, but probably will not happen until Iggy is gone...imo

I just happen to believe if the government of the day can not spend wastefully then there would be plenty of money for fair taxes and lots of money to cover the social programs people need.

I remember reading not long ago that it's cost us 35 billion a year just to service the debt...imagine how much better life could be in Canada with that extra 35 billion. The one area that nobody ever talks about is eliminating the debt completely, all parties talk about the deficit, none talk about the overall debt. I would have love to see all parties come up with a solution to eliminate the debt in under 50 years for example...now that would be doing something great for Canada and future generations of Canadians would appreciate, imo.

polaris_x

bytterman wrote:

What specifically was tea-ish, and what part of ON? I'm not entirely clear on the tea party thing, I know that they're the spend-not-a-dime folks but how is that different than the mainstream gop?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/st ... ation.html

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Were you referring to me? Because if you were, I prefer not label myself, I may have at one time, but personally I think members of all political stripes have some good ideas, the problem is they have far more crappy ideas than good ones. The 1 thing hate about government is wasteful spending, the g8/g20 is a great example, 2 billion, seriously. The whole problem is whether it's the liberals or conservative's in power federally their corrupt. Yes Harper has to go, but probably will not happen until Iggy is gone...imo

I just happen to believe if the government of the day can not spend wastefully then there would be plenty of money for fair taxes and lots of money to cover the social programs people need.

I remember reading not long ago that it's cost us 35 billion a year just to service the debt...imagine how much better life could be in Canada with that extra 35 billion. The one area that nobody ever talks about is eliminating the debt completely, all parties talk about the deficit, none talk about the overall debt. I would have love to see all parties come up with a solution to eliminate the debt in under 50 years for example...now that would be doing something great for Canada and future generations of Canadians would appreciate, imo.

are you reborn? ... i thought he lived in saskatchewan? ...

polaris_x

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

wow, and i thought Canada as a nation was more intelligent and more progressive than the us. thanks for clarifying for me. when i said the tea party would pop up, i meant that people would all of a sudden think that they are politically aware and start protesting things that they do not understand, like what happened here...i admit i have not followed Canadian politics very closely just because there are quite a few parties and the platforms are different than what i would have expected and it just confuses me. i have family from Saskatoon and Calgary, so maybe i had better pay closer attention.

we are a divided country ... perceptions of what things are like vary vastly coast to coast ... but in general, we are a centrist society - definitely not anywhere as socialist as Scandinavian countries but not as free market as the US ... the shift is definitely away from the social infrastructure as people get slowly indoctrinated that we are taxed too high and that their individual freedoms are at stake ...

as for the tea party aspect - that was our former reform party which won plenty of seats but nothing that could form gov't ... that's when our current PM came into play ... he united the right so to speak by making a sweetheart deal with the leader of the progressive conservative party who was elected on the mandate that he would not merge with the reform party ... but he basically reneged and did it anyways in order to gain power ...

so, right now we have the 35% or so of the country that are right-wing controlling gov't while all the other votes are split amongst the remaining centrist/left parties ...

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Were you referring to me? Because if you were, I prefer not label myself, I may have at one time, but personally I think members of all political stripes have some good ideas, the problem is they have far more crappy ideas than good ones. The 1 thing hate about government is wasteful spending, the g8/g20 is a great example, 2 billion, seriously. The whole problem is whether it's the liberals or conservative's in power federally their corrupt. Yes Harper has to go, but probably will not happen until Iggy is gone...imo

I just happen to believe if the government of the day can not spend wastefully then there would be plenty of money for fair taxes and lots of money to cover the social programs people need.

I remember reading not long ago that it's cost us 35 billion a year just to service the debt...imagine how much better life could be in Canada with that extra 35 billion. The one area that nobody ever talks about is eliminating the debt completely, all parties talk about the deficit, none talk about the overall debt. I would have love to see all parties come up with a solution to eliminate the debt in under 50 years for example...now that would be doing something great for Canada and future generations of Canadians would appreciate, imo.

are you reborn? ... i thought he lived in saskatchewan? ...

Sorry... I thought because I was quoted with reborn in the quote you were refering to me and we have chatted quite a bit, my mistake.

Idris

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

What kind of scandal would it take for you guys to vote for a different party?? I'm not asking what would make you vote for ignatieff.

The conservatives have been found in contempt of Parliament, took away our civil rights during the G8/G20, and now it appears as though they illegally got their G8/G20 spending through parliament. Yet the Cons are STILL up 10 points in the polls.
WTF do they have to do for you all to say "enough is enough!" I REALLY wanna know.

Please don't take this thread to mean that I think the other parties are innocent. I remember the sponsership scandal and I remember the Bob Rae government...but neither showed as much contempt for the Canadian people and democracy as the Harper Government has. I don't understand this unfailing loyalty so many people STILL have to that party. Please enlighten me.

The conservatives did not take away our rights during G20, we gave up our rights and handed it to them for G20, Why? Because Canadians have become almost ignorantly passive.