Canadian Conservative Party Supporters
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What kind of scandal would it take for you guys to vote for a different party?? I'm not asking what would make you vote for ignatieff.
The conservatives have been found in contempt of Parliament, took away our civil rights during the G8/G20, and now it appears as though they illegally got their G8/G20 spending through parliament. Yet the Cons are STILL up 10 points in the polls.
WTF do they have to do for you all to say "enough is enough!" I REALLY wanna know.
Please don't take this thread to mean that I think the other parties are innocent. I remember the sponsership scandal and I remember the Bob Rae government...but neither showed as much contempt for the Canadian people and democracy as the Harper Government has. I don't understand this unfailing loyalty so many people STILL have to that party. Please enlighten me.
The conservatives have been found in contempt of Parliament, took away our civil rights during the G8/G20, and now it appears as though they illegally got their G8/G20 spending through parliament. Yet the Cons are STILL up 10 points in the polls.
WTF do they have to do for you all to say "enough is enough!" I REALLY wanna know.
Please don't take this thread to mean that I think the other parties are innocent. I remember the sponsership scandal and I remember the Bob Rae government...but neither showed as much contempt for the Canadian people and democracy as the Harper Government has. I don't understand this unfailing loyalty so many people STILL have to that party. Please enlighten me.
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Ok so I get the sponsorship scandal making Liberals untrustworthy. I don't see a problem with someone working abroad...many Canadians do that. Doesn't make them less Canadian.
What else makes Libs less trustworthy than a dictator wannabe?? Who runs on a platform on transparency and then blocks access to information requests, is incontempt of parliament, bars people from his rallies because they are trying to edcuate themselves on ALL parties to make an informed decision, and illegally gets spending for G20/G8 through parliament?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Why can't we vote at the same time for municipal, provincial & federal? It would save a shitload of money and time. You are right lukin2006, we are always running to the damn polls!! :x
There used to be like 3 or 4 dieheard conservatives on this board (that posted here in AMT). They were the Cons can do no wrong variety. I guess they aren't around much anymore.
What's the big deal with constant elections?
Each election costs almost exactly one F-35. Well...according to the Cons. The budget office will tell you that you can get two elections for every F-35.
Hmmmmm....one instrument of death sacrificed to get a nation to pay attention to it's politics for a couple months? Small price to pay if you ask me. If only we could pay for elections with F-35's....:(
1. lower taxes
2. more individual freedoms (unless you are gay or an immigrant)
everything else are like clouds in the sky ... eventually they clear up ... as long as the Conservatives are the lone right wing voice and continue to launch a negative fear based campaing - they will not lose their voter base ...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the conservative party IS the tea party ... the current conservative party was born from the old reform/alliance party which is very much tea party like ...
also ... a popular conservative mpp (provincial - ontario) here lost his nomination bid in his riding to a candidate with tea party like platform ...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Imagine a Canadian Palin...unabashed and ill-informed hubris collides headlong with 'oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend'...armies of psychologists would be employed for years.
What specifically was tea-ish, and what part of ON? I'm not entirely clear on the tea party thing, I know that they're the spend-not-a-dime folks but how is that different than the mainstream gop?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Were you referring to me? Because if you were, I prefer not label myself, I may have at one time, but personally I think members of all political stripes have some good ideas, the problem is they have far more crappy ideas than good ones. The 1 thing hate about government is wasteful spending, the g8/g20 is a great example, 2 billion, seriously. The whole problem is whether it's the liberals or conservative's in power federally their corrupt. Yes Harper has to go, but probably will not happen until Iggy is gone...imo
I just happen to believe if the government of the day can not spend wastefully then there would be plenty of money for fair taxes and lots of money to cover the social programs people need.
I remember reading not long ago that it's cost us 35 billion a year just to service the debt...imagine how much better life could be in Canada with that extra 35 billion. The one area that nobody ever talks about is eliminating the debt completely, all parties talk about the deficit, none talk about the overall debt. I would have love to see all parties come up with a solution to eliminate the debt in under 50 years for example...now that would be doing something great for Canada and future generations of Canadians would appreciate, imo.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/st ... ation.html
are you reborn? ... i thought he lived in saskatchewan? ...
we are a divided country ... perceptions of what things are like vary vastly coast to coast ... but in general, we are a centrist society - definitely not anywhere as socialist as Scandinavian countries but not as free market as the US ... the shift is definitely away from the social infrastructure as people get slowly indoctrinated that we are taxed too high and that their individual freedoms are at stake ...
as for the tea party aspect - that was our former reform party which won plenty of seats but nothing that could form gov't ... that's when our current PM came into play ... he united the right so to speak by making a sweetheart deal with the leader of the progressive conservative party who was elected on the mandate that he would not merge with the reform party ... but he basically reneged and did it anyways in order to gain power ...
so, right now we have the 35% or so of the country that are right-wing controlling gov't while all the other votes are split amongst the remaining centrist/left parties ...
Sorry... I thought because I was quoted with reborn in the quote you were refering to me and we have chatted quite a bit, my mistake.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
The conservatives did not take away our rights during G20, we gave up our rights and handed it to them for G20, Why? Because Canadians have become almost ignorantly passive.
I think youre bang-on in your description of a typical Con supporter.
I agree. Curious if you consider the NDP mainstream?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
yeah ... he has some left-sensibilities in him ... he was definitely pro-israel for the longest time ... we convinced to be more neutral ... haha
i dunno ... although my definition of mainstream would include the ndp and green party ... i don't think they necessarily stand for corruption as much as the liberals and conservatives ...
i think if you vote for ndp/green ... you are voting for an ideological shift - you may not agree with it but i wouldn't say its not grounded in the corruption we see in the other two parties ...
urban centres you can count on, but the rural population will step out of their church on sunday and eat up all of his rhetoric and vote him in. again. never fails!
Yes voting NDP or Green is shift in ideology...does that mean less corruption? Have either of those parties outlined what they will do when faced with a fellow mp doing wrong, a department that is doing wrong? Polaris I am tired of these politicians screaming he's corrupt or their corrupt without actually putting forward a solution to the problem.
If you were to majorly screw up at work, steal from your employer or spend carelessly would you have a job? So why does no political party put forward solutions? For solutions that include firing for the most severe infraction.
Looking at the latest scandal, the supposed $50 million boondoggle...it's easy for us to comment on a forum, but I don't think it's appropriate for the party leaders to comment until AG has released her final report.
The opposition parties who want the report tabled know full well that it can't be tabled unless parliament is sitting, this make those other parties corrupt, their trying to be opportunist.
If their trying to prevent a Harper majority then they need to focus on something else, because apparently corruption is not a concern of the Canadian public.
I didn't get to see the debate, from what I read it was a lot of 3 on 1, which was expected.
Best line of the night... “Why do you have the worst attendance record in the House of Commons of any Member of Parliament?” the NDP leader asked. “Most Canadians, if they don’t show up for work, they don’t get a promotion.”
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
this is corruption at its finest ...
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadav ... hikes.html
Newly released documents suggest the Conservative government fattened the pay of some political staffers while the country was tackling an economic crisis in 2009.
In one case, a senior aide's salary was raised to $190,000 — $35,000 more than the maximum rate.
News of those bonuses comes two days after The Canadian Press revealed that, in the future, more staffers will become eligible for an increase in salary and separation benefits thanks to guidelines enacted this month.
The Treasury Board Secretariat, which oversees federal human-resources management, says in its guidelines for political staff that paying more than the maximum in a salary range should be a rare occurrence.
Two years ago, those maximum rates were $121,000 for chiefs of staff to ministers of state, and $155,600 for a chief of staff to a full-fledged minister.
"As a general rule, the maximum salary range is reserved for employees with a relevant professional qualification, 10 or more years' relevant prior employment experience, or extraordinary skills and qualifications," reads the document.
Paying someone more than the maximum would be an "exceptional circumstance," says the Treasury Board, and can only happen after consultation with the Prime Minister's Office.
But documents obtained under Access to Information legislation suggest it happened frequently.
After receiving a tip about the issue, The Canadian Press asked the Treasury Board to provide a summary of all instances where senior staff were paid more than the maximum salary rate.
The request specifically noted that names could be withheld, and did not ask for any additional documents.
The agency responded seven months later by withholding 50 pages of the summary, citing privacy issues and cabinet secrecy.
Following a complaint to the Information Commissioner, Treasury Board released the headings to one page of a summary table. But all other details were kept secret.
Only two salaries have been revealed from those documents: one for $190,000 and the other for $124,000.
At the time those salary exceptions were being made, the government was churning out a stimulus program to help get Canada through the economic downturn.
A spokesman for Treasury Board President Stockwell Day echoed the department's guidelines on the matter, but did not answer specific questions about the salary bumps.
"Exemptions to salary maximums are only granted in exceptional circumstances," said Michael Mueller.
"All salary exemptions are approved by the Treasury Board in accordance with the Policies and Guidelines for Ministers' Offices."
Last week, the maximum salaries for political staff were increased.
That means a chief of staff to a senior minister can now earn up to $168,000 without an exception. A press secretary can make up to $102,000.
Since political staffers' salaries are to be tied to those of public servants, all those at the various AS-levels are in line for a wage increase of 1.75 per cent this year, 1.5 per cent in 2012 and two per cent in 2013 — in accordance with a new collective agreement for the civil service.
The Harper government also approved a 50 per cent increase in the maximum separation pay political aides can receive -- up to six months from four. That's on top of severance pay.
Conservative Leader Stephen Harper has warned of more belt tightening within the federal government, as it seeks $4 billion-a-year in savings in order to balance the budget by 2014-15.
i hear ya ... but this is the way i see it ... who gets the most corporate funding of all the parties ... the liberals and conservatives ... is it any wonder they offer kickback after kickback?
the whole idea about the accountability act was to prevent this shit but fucking harper diluted it so he can steal from canadians ... and now, he's not even interested in following the rules of democracy by hiding all this stuff ... the guy is a crook ...
why not give the ndp a shot? ... sure, you may not agree with their policies but at least they might govern with some integrity ...
I agree the corruption is there...front and centre. If you want corruption out of government, then neither the conservatives or liberals will get rid of corruption. What I would like to hear either from the ndp or green party is what they plan on doing to prevent this kind corruption and will they pass legislation that tackles corruption in government, and I'm not hearing that.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
ya ... when you think about it ... that's really what the ndp and greens should do ... at every opportunity - highlight the history of entitlement and corruption those two parties have and say how they will govern with integrity ...