Religious Beliefs

redrock

pandora wrote:

...it all seems far fetched but I guess could be

and even with those possibilities ....

God can be the why

far fetched and god in the same sentence....

redrock

pandora wrote:

this can not be based in memory ...

Apologies, I mis-spelt the word biased so that may have caused confusion. Memory biases are scientifically proven 'effects' and these are numerous and varied. All part of a vast amount of cognitive biases.

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

this can not be based in memory ...

Apologies, I mis-spelt the word biased so that may have caused confusion. Memory biases are scientifically proven 'effects' and these are numerous and varied. All part of a vast amount of cognitive biases.

I think when you know something you shouldn't be able to know

and these facts present themselves before anyone could possibly know the events

I mean...there can be no memory of something that is to happen 2 days in the future

unless it is time related or divine intervention

or both

redrock

pandora wrote:

I mean...there can be no memory of something that is to happen 2 days in the future

unless it is time related or divine intervention

or both

Again, a memory bias - or shall we forget about the word memory and use the word cognitive? Same thing. It's not about remembering something in the future :?, it's how an 'event' is perceived cognitively and the 'glitches' in our psyche.

arq

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

I mean...there can be no memory of something that is to happen 2 days in the future

unless it is time related or divine intervention

or both

Again, a memory bias - or shall we forget about the word memory and use the word cognitive? Same thing. It's not about remembering something in the future :?, it's how an 'event' is perceived cognitively and the 'glitches' in our psyche.

Awesome, another scientific minded person!

You're absolutely right, that's called confirmation bias.

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

I mean...there can be no memory of something that is to happen 2 days in the future

unless it is time related or divine intervention

or both

Again, a memory bias - or shall we forget about the word memory and use the word cognitive? Same thing. It's not about remembering something in the future :?, it's how an 'event' is perceived cognitively and the 'glitches' in our psyche.

the events haven't happened so it cannot be perceived 2 days in advance
which they have been... and been well documented

cognitive...a process of thought... that can not involve events
that one does not know will happen, that would be predicting the future

if by glitches you mean unexplained phenomenon in one's subconscious

well...this is all I have

but that doesn't really explain the hows or whys
which drive my search for the truth

redrock

arq wrote:

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

I mean...there can be no memory of something that is to happen 2 days in the future

unless it is time related or divine intervention

or both

Again, a memory bias - or shall we forget about the word memory and use the word cognitive? Same thing. It's not about remembering something in the future :?, it's how an 'event' is perceived cognitively and the 'glitches' in our psyche.

Awesome, another scientific minded person!

You're absolutely right, that's called confirmation bias.

There are so many of these biases, some very similar to others...

I learned a lot about the brain/memory/cognitive functions in the past few years. A subject I was always interested in, studied a bit and read a lot about, but circumstances made it so I REALLY needed to understand a number of things. Neurosurgeons, neurologists, etc were a valuable source of info and teaching.

EmBleve

abstract vs. concrete

redrock

pandora wrote:

the events haven't happened so it cannot be perceived 2 days in advance
which they have been... and been well documented

cognitive...a process of thought... that can not involve events
that one does not know will happen, that would be predicting the future

if by glitches you mean unexplained phenomenon in one's subconscious

well...this is all I have

but that doesn't really explain the hows or whys
which drive my search for the truth

Not 'unexplained' - explained, tested and 'properly' documented.

OK... let's use another word since you seem to be looking up basic definitions of the ones I use. How about cognitive science. Is that general enough? The 'bias' part, is only a section of this science.

From what you keep on posting, your truth is god and 'divine intervention'. So be it.

Science has explanations, Pandora has her explanation. To each their own.

blondieblue227

Even without a religious perspective, love and compassion are clearly of fundamental importance to us all.
~ DalaiLama

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

the events haven't happened so it cannot be perceived 2 days in advance
which they have been... and been well documented

cognitive...a process of thought... that can not involve events
that one does not know will happen, that would be predicting the future

if by glitches you mean unexplained phenomenon in one's subconscious

well...this is all I have

but that doesn't really explain the hows or whys
which drive my search for the truth

Not 'unexplained' - explained, tested and 'properly' documented.

OK... let's use another word since you seem to be looking up basic definitions of the ones I use. How about cognitive science. Is that general enough? The 'bias' part, is only a section of this science.

From what you keep on posting, your truth is god and 'divine intervention'. So be it.

Science has explanations, Pandora has her explanation. To each their own.

Well that was a bit condescending when I am looking for scientific reasoning behind this subject.
Should I be surprised...I should know better than to trust.

Documented proof that one knows of an event that will happen days before it does
and then it happens just as the person knows it to be, just as it was shown.

I looked up cognitive science

Cognitive science is the interdisciplinary scientific study of how information concerning faculties such as perception, language, reasoning, and emotion, is represented and transformed in a (human or other animal) nervous system or machine (e.g., computer).

I read on through the discussion all the topics ... it didn't seem to explain this phenomenon....
none fit.

Is it that this cannot be explained by science ... being forewarned?

I haven't heard an explanation that is not far fetched

Yes...so far the how for me is God and I believe I am learning to understand the why

EmBleve

pandora wrote:

I read on through the discussion all the topics ... it didn't seem to explain this phenomenon....
none fit.

Is it that this cannot be explained by science ... being forewarned?

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No, it cannot be explained by science. It is abstract and there is no scientific explanation. Science tries to explain it in an effort to make sense/order of experience because that is how humans like to compartmentalize occurrences/information. IMO it is not a scientific concept--or at least it is not one that we are even close to understanding.

pandora

thank you for sharing... EmBleve


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and the life of the candle will not be shortened.
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ShimmyMommy

EmBleve wrote:

No, it cannot be explained by science. It is abstract and there is no scientific explanation. Science tries to explain it in an effort to make sense/order of experience because that is how humans like to compartmentalize occurrences/information. IMO it is not a scientific concept--or at least it is not one that we are even close to understanding.

exactly...why do we need to compartmentalize at all?

EmBleve

ShimmyMommy wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

No, it cannot be explained by science. It is abstract and there is no scientific explanation. Science tries to explain it in an effort to make sense/order of experience because that is how humans like to compartmentalize occurrences/information. IMO it is not a scientific concept--or at least it is not one that we are even close to understanding.

exactly...why do we need to compartmentalize at all?

I just think it is the human tendency, and also partially a biopsychological concept, to compartmentalize information--like I said, in an effort to make sense or order out of an abundance of varied information. It happens automatically to a large degree.

redrock

pandora wrote:

Well that was a bit condescending when I am looking for scientific reasoning behind this subject.
Should I be surprised...I should know better than to trust.

:roll: Nothing condescending. You said it numerous times that what you know is true, is true (in various ways). I'm saying science has explanations for certain 'phenomena' (quite complex area which cannot be 'reasoned' in a few posts on a band's forum and would take a lot more that a couple of googles) and you have yours which is not science based but faith based. To each their own. What else can I say?

EmBleve - I'm not sure that's why 'science' tries to explain things. Generally, science is questioning and seeing if there is an answer (unless you have a 'problem' and your goal IS to find a solution). I have a friend who is a 'theory scientist' (and another who is a mathematician but dealing in pure maths). They are 'what if' people. Questioning, seeing if there is an answer, without looking for any specific outcome. Science does not have an answer to everything, but new things are discovered every day. It's man's curiosity that makes it jump in leaps and bounds. God is not a scientific concept, definitely not! The brain and how it functions, on the other hand.....

EmBleve

redrock wrote:

EmBleve - I'm not sure that's why 'science' tries to explain things. Generally, science is questioning and seeing if there is an answer (unless you have a 'problem' and your goal IS to find a solution). I have a friend who is a 'theory scientist' (and another who is a mathematician but dealing in pure maths). They are 'what if' people. Questioning, seeing if there is an answer, without looking for any specific outcome. Science does not have an answer to everything, but new things are discovered every day. It's man's curiosity that makes it jump in leaps and bounds. God is not a scientific concept, definitely not! The brain and how it functions, on the other hand.....

I agree that it's not the ONLY reason that science tries to explain things--but it is a form of compartmentalization. And yes, science (esp. social sciences--which is mainly what I believe concepts of faith/religion fall under) mostly operates on empirical studies that can be measured either qualitatively or quantitatively---and I don't personally believe that psychic phenomena and subjects touched upon recently in this thread can be explained in those terms. YET>

redrock

EmBleve wrote:

...-and I don't personally believe that psychic phenomena and subjects touched upon recently in this thread can be explained in those terms. YET>

Look it up... ... but in depth!

Science is a very 'big picture'. For example, time travel (nothing to do with god or 'events' mentioned on this thread). With all the knowledge currently available, one can say that time travel could be possible but we are very, very far away from being able to do so physically (if ever). So some would say not proven because it hasn't been done, but the theory is there. The more we learn and we are able to connect all the dots, the more 'answers' we will have. Just look back at 'our' history.. what were once miracles, etc. are plain ol' natural phenomena or basic medical or scientific explanations that were not known or understood at the time.

EmBleve

redrock wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

...-and I don't personally believe that psychic phenomena and subjects touched upon recently in this thread can be explained in those terms. YET>

Look it up... ... but in depth!

Science is a very 'big picture'. For example, time travel (nothing to do with god or 'events' mentioned on this thread). With all the knowledge currently available, one can say that time travel could be possible but we are very, very far away from being able to do so physically (if ever). So some would say not proven because it hasn't been done, but the theory is there.

yes, exactly. I'm not sure your point...

redrock

EmBleve wrote:

redrock wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

...-and I don't personally believe that psychic phenomena and subjects touched upon recently in this thread can be explained in those terms. YET>

Look it up... ... but in depth!

Science is a very 'big picture'. For example, time travel (nothing to do with god or 'events' mentioned on this thread). With all the knowledge currently available, one can say that time travel could be possible but we are very, very far away from being able to do so physically (if ever). So some would say not proven because it hasn't been done, but the theory is there.

yes, exactly. I'm not sure your point...

Just following up on the 'YET' with a different type of example. Current knowledge explains these psychic phenomena, more dots to connect, it will be pushed further.