Did anyone ever watch "thirtysomething" in the late 80s? It was, and still is, one of my most beloved TV shows.
In it, one of the characters develops cancer, and through a support group, forms a friendship with another woman who also has it.
The friend tells of her own mother dying of cancer at a young age, and a priest or family member telling her, "God never gives us more than we can handle."
The friend says, "So I asked, if I were a weaker person, would my mother still be alive?"
The friend says, "So I asked, if I were a weaker person, would my mother still be alive?"
Can't stand that expression. I have been told that so many times (obviously by those who don't know me well!). How people who say this can think it's reassuring/encouraging/inspiring is beyond me. Someone said that to my sister in law and my two nephews about a month ago as she put her husband to rest. Then went to repeat it to my mother and father in law who had just lost their son... Pfft. :roll:
The friend says, "So I asked, if I were a weaker person, would my mother still be alive?"
Can't stand that expression. I have been told that so many times (obviously by those who don't know me well!). How people who say this can think it's reassuring/encouraging/inspiring is beyond me. Someone said that to my sister in law and my two nephews about a month ago as she put her husband to rest. Then went to repeat it to my mother and father in law who had just lost their son... Pfft. :roll:
Love the friend's answer......
It feels patronizing, doesn't it? Even if the intent isn't in that vein.
I'm sorry about your family's loss.
Pandora, I'm not sure what the phrase you posted means.
love me some Garth not so much the mcmuffin ...
what do people see in those chewy ass tasteless things?
They cure hangovers.
Yeah, they really do.
... And one of God's greatest gifts is unanswered prayers???? Gimme a break. With Gods like that, who needs Devils? :roll: Tell someone whose child just died of cancer and see how great they think that shitty gift sounds.
The way I see it, simply, is that the belief is God is the off-shoot of a lot of scared animals that happen to be intelligent enough to wonder how their consciousness exists and what's going to happen to it once they die... and they get scared when it occurs to them that they will not be any different than that poor dead raccoon they saw on the side of the road. Religion is all the crap that seeps out of that fear. Whatever sense that some may feel that they wouldn't feel a connection to the world without God are simply stuck with a bad addiction... they don't feel like they can be complete without it anymore. I figure they should feel lucky that there will be people to remember them, and that their life had so many possibilities and a definite richness that is unique to humans, and much more than can be said for the raccoon.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
love me some Garth not so much the mcmuffin ...
what do people see in those chewy ass tasteless things?
They cure hangovers.
Yeah, they really do.
... And one of God's greatest gifts is unanswered prayers???? Gimme a break. With Gods like that, who needs Devils? :roll: Tell someone whose child just died of cancer and see how great they think that shitty gift sounds.
The way I see it, simply, is that the belief is God is the off-shoot of a lot of scared animals that happen to be intelligent enough to wonder how their consciousness exists and what's going to happen to it once they die... and they get scared when it occurs to them that they will not be any different than that poor dead raccoon they saw on the side of the road. Religion is all the crap that seeps out of that fear. Whatever sense that some may feel that they wouldn't feel a connection to the world without God are simply stuck with a bad addiction... they don't feel like they can be complete without it anymore. I figure they should feel lucky that there will be people to remember them, and that their life had so many possibilities and a definite richness that is unique to humans, and much more than can be said for the raccoon.
We see it very differently ...
unanswered prayers is where our strength comes and if that parent is a believer
they know they will be with their child again ... something you do not, I take it.
Scared :? actually it is empowered with the big picture of life and beyond
also something you do not get, I take it.
Please do not confuse the knowledge of God with religion.
They are two different things.
We are all connected on our paths matters not our beliefs.
"In nature we see where God has been. In our fellow man, we see where He is still at work."
~Robert Brault
The friend tells of her own mother dying of cancer at a young age, and a priest or family member telling her, "God never gives us more than we can handle."
The friend says, "So I asked, if I were a weaker person, would my mother still be alive?"
I have actually used that same response to someone who said that to me. I wonder if I stole it from Thirty Something? I used to watch that show all the time with my parents.
My other response to that is "I guess all the people of Africa are the strongest people on the planet".
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
letting go of insistence...
of the attitude that says in effect that I can only be happy if life responds
in no other way than I determine
that is my opinion of that quote it is 'author unknown' not mine
hmmm.
If that was in response my earlier post, I don't think insistence even plays a part. More like an effort to understand and make sense of that which makes no sense...whether they're experiences or words.
The friend tells of her own mother dying of cancer at a young age, and a priest or family member telling her, "God never gives us more than we can handle."
The friend says, "So I asked, if I were a weaker person, would my mother still be alive?"
I have actually used that same response to someone who said that to me. I wonder if I stole it from Thirty Something? I used to watch that show all the time with my parents.
My other response to that is "I guess all the people of Africa are the strongest people on the planet".
Such a...meaty...show, no? All facets so well done.
And, I like your other response.
(sidenote, at this moment, I would pay a hefty sum to be hand-delivered an Egg McMuffin)
The friend says, "So I asked, if I were a weaker person, would my mother still be alive?"
Can't stand that expression. I have been told that so many times (obviously by those who don't know me well!). How people who say this can think it's reassuring/encouraging/inspiring is beyond me. Someone said that to my sister in law and my two nephews about a month ago as she put her husband to rest. Then went to repeat it to my mother and father in law who had just lost their son... Pfft. :roll:
Love the friend's answer......
I can't stand that expression either and hear it all the time. People who say it obviously have it quite easy or are terrible at articulating empathy.
letting go of insistence...
of the attitude that says in effect that I can only be happy if life responds
in no other way than I determine
that is my opinion of that quote it is 'author unknown' not mine
hmmm.
If that was in response my earlier post, I don't think insistence even plays a part. More like an effort to understand and make sense of that which makes no sense...whether they're experiences or words.
No that was not directed at you or anyone just a quote I really like... my belief
everything makes sense when one looks at us as all connected...
the big picture of here and beyond in my opinion
I quote people when I direct my words only to them like you just did to me
It is from the worse in life that the strongest bonds form
bonding and loving is what we are here for
I believe that saying sums up the after trauma ... the human will is strong
if you are inclined to trust in God you know you have the strength to get through anything.
In trauma....
"I know God will not give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish that He didn't trust me so much."
It is from the worse in life that the strongest bonds form
I believe that saying sums up the after trauma ... the human will is strong
if you are inclined to trust in God you know you have the strength to get through anything.
As to your first part, true - though I think some of the strongest bonds are also born from the best in life.
The second, I could replace god with "myself" (and often do, though not in a narcissistic way ) - but that makes more sense to me. Trust in myself, and the strength that comes from it, and using it.
so when people quote the words "god's plan" and say stuff like "god wouldn't give us....", etc, does that mean that those people don't believe in free will? that everything is mapped out for us by some almighty? I've always been confused by this idea, because then none of us are responsible for our actions. Charles Manson and Jeffery Dahmer were just doing god's work. Same with Ghandi, George Bush, Hitler, Mother Teresa, etc.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
As to your first part, true - though I think some of the strongest bonds are also born from the best in life.
The second, I could replace god with "myself" (and often do, though not in a narcissistic way ) - but that makes more sense to me. Trust in myself, and the strength that comes from it, and using it.
As you, I believe the strongest bonds are bornfrom the best in life, not the worse. The worse can make or break a bond. A break often seen after a trauma.
It is from the worse in life that the strongest bonds form
I believe that saying sums up the after trauma ... the human will is strong
if you are inclined to trust in God you know you have the strength to get through anything.
As to your first part, true - though I think some of the strongest bonds are also born from the best in life.
The second, I could replace god with "myself" (and often do, though not in a narcissistic way ) - but that makes more sense to me. Trust in myself, and the strength that comes from it, and using it.
Ditto. Perhaps unbeknownst to those who think God is necessary to true inner strength, empowerment, and connection with the world, those of us who don't believe in God still have this strength and connection. That's why I compared belief in God an addiction. It seems like some people don't know that everything they feel they get out of God can be had without God. It reminds me of the old "high on life" saying. It's like Atheists are the ones high on life, while believers are high on God.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It seems like some people don't know that everything they feel they get out of God can be had without God. It reminds me of the old "high on life" saying. It's like Atheists are the ones high on life, while believers are high on God.
I like this, though I'd say can be had with OR without...both (and other paths) I respect, when walked with the same respect expected to be given.
(hope that makes sense)
In the end, I think it's what works best for each, and not "bestowing" one's will or beliefs on another.
It is from the worse in life that the strongest bonds form
I believe that saying sums up the after trauma ... the human will is strong
if you are inclined to trust in God you know you have the strength to get through anything.
As to your first part, true - though I think some of the strongest bonds are also born from the best in life.
The second, I could replace god with "myself" (and often do, though not in a narcissistic way ) - but that makes more sense to me. Trust in myself, and the strength that comes from it, and using it.
I liken it to this
our marriage bond is very strong, I thought the strongest until my injury
and then JB cared for me when I was bedridden and thought I would never walk again.
Those were dark hours and the bond that came from that
is more than we ever would have known if not that had happened.
This is true throughout life, loss of our loved ones, tragedies, this our true growth
and bond... when tested. Love is easy when life is easy ...
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~Garth Brooks
Eat an egg mcmuffin?
what do people see in those chewy ass tasteless things?
~Vincent van Gogh, Dear Theo: An Autobiography of Vincent van Gogh, 1937
make mine a Bloody though
Did anyone ever watch "thirtysomething" in the late 80s? It was, and still is, one of my most beloved TV shows.
In it, one of the characters develops cancer, and through a support group, forms a friendship with another woman who also has it.
The friend tells of her own mother dying of cancer at a young age, and a priest or family member telling her, "God never gives us more than we can handle."
The friend says, "So I asked, if I were a weaker person, would my mother still be alive?"
It's always stuck with me.
Can't stand that expression. I have been told that so many times (obviously by those who don't know me well!). How people who say this can think it's reassuring/encouraging/inspiring is beyond me. Someone said that to my sister in law and my two nephews about a month ago as she put her husband to rest. Then went to repeat it to my mother and father in law who had just lost their son... Pfft. :roll:
Love the friend's answer......
I'm sorry about your family's loss.
Pandora, I'm not sure what the phrase you posted means.
Yeah, they really do.
... And one of God's greatest gifts is unanswered prayers???? Gimme a break. With Gods like that, who needs Devils? :roll: Tell someone whose child just died of cancer and see how great they think that shitty gift sounds.
The way I see it, simply, is that the belief is God is the off-shoot of a lot of scared animals that happen to be intelligent enough to wonder how their consciousness exists and what's going to happen to it once they die... and they get scared when it occurs to them that they will not be any different than that poor dead raccoon they saw on the side of the road. Religion is all the crap that seeps out of that fear. Whatever sense that some may feel that they wouldn't feel a connection to the world without God are simply stuck with a bad addiction... they don't feel like they can be complete without it anymore. I figure they should feel lucky that there will be people to remember them, and that their life had so many possibilities and a definite richness that is unique to humans, and much more than can be said for the raccoon.
letting go of insistence...
of the attitude that says in effect that I can only be happy if life responds
in no other way than I determine
that is my opinion of that quote it is 'author unknown' not mine
We see it very differently ...
unanswered prayers is where our strength comes and if that parent is a believer
they know they will be with their child again ... something you do not, I take it.
Scared :? actually it is empowered with the big picture of life and beyond
also something you do not get, I take it.
Please do not confuse the knowledge of God with religion.
They are two different things.
We are all connected on our paths matters not our beliefs.
"In nature we see where God has been. In our fellow man, we see where He is still at work."
~Robert Brault
I have actually used that same response to someone who said that to me. I wonder if I stole it from Thirty Something? I used to watch that show all the time with my parents.
My other response to that is "I guess all the people of Africa are the strongest people on the planet".
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
If that was in response my earlier post, I don't think insistence even plays a part. More like an effort to understand and make sense of that which makes no sense...whether they're experiences or words.
And, I like your other response.
(sidenote, at this moment, I would pay a hefty sum to be hand-delivered an Egg McMuffin)
I can't stand that expression either and hear it all the time. People who say it obviously have it quite easy or are terrible at articulating empathy.
Another good one.
everything makes sense when one looks at us as all connected...
the big picture of here and beyond
in my opinion
I quote people when I direct my words only to them like you just did to me
bonding and loving is what we are here for
I believe that saying sums up the after trauma ... the human will is strong
if you are inclined to trust in God you know you have the strength to get through anything.
In trauma....
"I know God will not give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish that He didn't trust me so much."
~Mother Teresa
The second, I could replace god with "myself" (and often do, though not in a narcissistic way
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
As you, I believe the strongest bonds are bornfrom the best in life, not the worse. The worse can make or break a bond. A break often seen after a trauma.
Ah yes... the strength within.. the only one!
Ditto. Perhaps unbeknownst to those who think God is necessary to true inner strength, empowerment, and connection with the world, those of us who don't believe in God still have this strength and connection. That's why I compared belief in God an addiction. It seems like some people don't know that everything they feel they get out of God can be had without God. It reminds me of the old "high on life" saying. It's like Atheists are the ones high on life, while believers are high on God.
(hope that makes sense)
In the end, I think it's what works best for each, and not "bestowing" one's will or beliefs on another.
our marriage bond is very strong, I thought the strongest until my injury
and then JB cared for me when I was bedridden and thought I would never walk again.
Those were dark hours and the bond that came from that
is more than we ever would have known if not that had happened.
This is true throughout life, loss of our loved ones, tragedies, this our true growth
and bond... when tested. Love is easy when life is easy ...