Religious Beliefs

catefrances

pandora wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i love that people think that what ed has to say is some sort of truth. i could tell you things and make you believe that what i say is truth...... that doesnt necessarily make it so. same goes for abraham lincoln or anyone else.

everyone has their own truth...it speaks to the heart...that is where it lives

to believe in another's truth you must believe in their heart

and trust


"Here in my heart, my happiness, my house.
Here inside the lighted window is my love, my hope, my life.
Peace is my companion on the pathway winding to the threshold.
Inside this portal dwells new strength in the security, serenity, and radiance of those I love above life itself."

— Abraham Lincoln

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pandora

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i love that people think that what ed has to say is some sort of truth. i could tell you things and make you believe that what i say is truth...... that doesnt necessarily make it so. same goes for abraham lincoln or anyone else.

everyone has their own truth...it speaks to the heart...that is where it lives

to believe in another's truth you must believe in their heart

and trust


"Here in my heart, my happiness, my house.
Here inside the lighted window is my love, my hope, my life.
Peace is my companion on the pathway winding to the threshold.
Inside this portal dwells new strength in the security, serenity, and radiance of those I love above life itself."

— Abraham Lincoln

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Electric_Delta

Got a hard hard head wrote:

Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.

I would make the argument that science only goes so far.

When you strip science down to it's very bottom, it cannot explain how something comes from nothing. It cannot explain how the infinite universe came to be, how atoms came from nothing, how the very building blocks of life itself came to be.

Science only goes so far.

markin ball

Electric_Delta wrote:

Got a hard hard head wrote:

Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.

I would make the argument that science only goes so far.

When you strip science down to it's very bottom, it cannot explain how something comes from nothing. It cannot explain how the infinite universe came to be, how atoms came from nothing, how the very building blocks of life itself came to be.

Science only goes so far.

Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.

Electric_Delta

markin ball wrote:

Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.

When science can, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove how something comes from nothing, I will question my belief system.

satansbed

Electric_Delta wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.

When science can, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove how something comes from nothing, I will question my belief system.

yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion

Electric_Delta

satansbed wrote:

yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion

Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.

satansbed

Electric_Delta wrote:

satansbed wrote:

yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion

Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.

is there a perfect order or is it an illusion, if we where designed, he was doing a pretty shit job

pandora

satansbed wrote:

is there a perfect order or is it an illusion, if we where designed, he was doing a pretty shit job

hmmm...that depends on what His purpose is

ShimmyMommy

Science is fascinating to me. As equally fascinating as religious/spiritual beliefs.

Something from nothing. Interesting point. Isn't that what Quantum Physics is doing with the neutrino? It is the smallest particle has no mass and no charge. It weighs nothing. On a technicality, it is nothing. The Law of Conservation of Mass says the mass of substances produced by a chemical reaction is always equal to the mass of the reacting substances, so how does a neutrino come to exist from nothing and no reaction? It just does. We need to believe something had to make it...and we need to prove it's existence...why don't we just don't accept it as it is? That is the question, really.

It doesn't matter what we believe. As long as we do. Even not believing in anything is our belief. If you believe in science, you have faith. If you believe in any religion, you have faith. If you believe in nothing, you have faith. Belief itself is faith, because it give us hope in something, anything, everything and sometimes nothing. Hope keeps us moving toward something good. Without it, we are aimlessly wandering. That's my belief.

AzWicker

I beleive in Dinosaurs, Darwin and the Carbon14 dating system. If there is a god, it may be a lot bigger than we perceive in religon where we reduce it to act human, look human and worry about human things. There could be an almighty entity that really doesn't give a shit if you get to date that girl or whether that team will win.

satansbed

pandora wrote:

satansbed wrote:

is there a perfect order or is it an illusion, if we where designed, he was doing a pretty shit job

hmmm...that depends on what His purpose is

if there is a purpose

markin ball

Electric_Delta wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Science only goes so far....so far. Human understanding of the universe is in its infancy. Also the universe may or may not be infinite, in fact based on what we know at this time it is finite. But that is just what we can detect at this time.

When science can, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove how something comes from nothing, I will question my belief system.

Okay, what made god? How did god come from nothing?

pandora

I always think what terrible waste of a beautiful mind .... a blink of time
where most everyone does nothing with it.... the time nor the mind

for me, we travel on, this I feel, for me it's the only thing that makes any sense

this blink of time is just that but the mind/ soul/ spirit/ energy

well.... it lives on forever

but time is an interesting, all together, different subject

what if there really is no time.... what if everything is actually happening simultaneously
like in dimensions

I mean how can one know what will happen 48 hours later unless there is no time?

Well unless there is divine intervention

markin ball

Electric_Delta wrote:

satansbed wrote:

yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion

Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.

How else would everything be after a gazillion years of trial and error and the system balancing itself? There doesn't need to be a god for that to make sense at all. Kind of like a great big free market!

satansbed

pandora wrote:

I always think what terrible waste of a beautiful mind .... a blink of time
where most everyone does nothing with it.... the time nor the mind

for me, we travel on, this I feel, for me it's the only thing that makes any sense

this blink of time is just that but the mind/ soul/ spirit/ energy

well.... it lives on forever

but time is an interesting, all together, different subject

what if there really is no time.... what if everything is actually happening simultaneously
like in dimensions

I mean how can one know what will happen 48 hours later unless there is no time?

Well unless there is divine intervention

we can't know what will happen 48 hours later, only predict

AzWicker

markin ball wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

satansbed wrote:

yeah same, if science proves without a doubt there is a god il change my (lack of) belief system, in reality if there is no evidence at all for something, then it means its not there, now im not saying every test has been done, but on the current lack of evidence for a god, i don't think there is one but if the evidence changes il change my opinion

Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.

How else would everything be after a gazillion years of trial and error and the system balancing itself? There doesn't need to be a god for that to make sense at all. Kind of like a great big free market!

Exactly, people like to think everything was created in an hour and a half. It's hard for us humans to comprehend the amount of time for things to mutate and evolve or die out. If there was a prefect order then we would have weather, weather is just the atmosphere trying to regulate itself...

ShimmyMommy

Troglodytes obviously evolved without the concepts of time, conscious mind, and purpose into what we are now. Time, mind and purpose play no factor in Nature, from Nature's standpoint. Nature just is. Nature doesn't struggle to grow, develop, or evolve. Nature just happens. It's our current society that puts importance on the concepts of time, mind and purpose. For what reason? To give us power and importance over Nature. We lose sight that we are part of Nature, not above it. It's the same reason why we need to define "the almighty entity". We need to have proof we are not just animals in Nature, following the evolutionary blueprint of "survival of the fittest". So, if we are following the blueprint of Nature, what's wrong with that?

Besides, what betterment will that give us to know exactly what the "the almighty entity" is? "It" would not react differently if we knew what or who "it" was. It would remain the same, as always. However, we would change, knowing what "it" is...but the question then becomes would the world be better, or worse even? What would we do then?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Electric_Delta wrote:

Fair enough, but I have a very hard time accepting the perfect order of things was an accident - again, something from nothing.

but don't you think both stances require a certain amount, some would say the same amount, of faith? you can say that you can't accept that the perfect order was an accident, some would say I have a very hard time accepting that a supreme being who came from nowhere did it. it's pretty much the same thing, except only one group admits they don't know for sure.

ShimmyMommy

Paul David wrote:

but don't you think both stances require a certain amount, some would say the same amount, of faith? you can say that you can't accept that the perfect order was an accident, some would say I have a very hard time accepting that a supreme being who came from nowhere did it. it's pretty much the same thing, except only one group admits they don't know for sure.

Like I said earlier

ShimmyMommy wrote:

It doesn't matter what we believe. As long as we do. Even not believing in anything is our belief. If you believe in science, you have faith. If you believe in any religion, you have faith. If you believe in nothing, you have faith. Belief itself is faith, because it give us hope in something, anything, everything and sometimes nothing. Hope keeps us moving toward something good. Without it, we are aimlessly wandering. That's my belief.