Religious Beliefs

blondieblue227

thank you redrock!

oh yeah. i remember this interview now. ed mentions putting up a firepole and i really connected with that because it sounded something my dad would do. we had a zipline growing up.

Flutter Girl

pandora wrote:

~ You should respect each other and refrain from disputes; you should not, like water and oil, repel each other, but should, like milk and water, mingle together. ~
Buddha

I'd like it better if it were more like warm milk and honey, loving each other with yummy warm sweetness

pandora

Flutter Girl wrote:

pandora wrote:

~ You should respect each other and refrain from disputes; you should not, like water and oil, repel each other, but should, like milk and water, mingle together. ~
Buddha

I'd like it better if it were more like warm milk and honey, loving each other with yummy warm sweetness

I like that better too ...you improved on Buddha! very nice

beautifully descriptive

:thumbup:

Flutter Girl

pandora wrote:

I like that better too ...you improved on Buddha! very nice

beautifully descriptive

:thumbup:

*takes a bow and says in best Elvis voice* thank you, thank you very much

pandora

Flutter Girl wrote:

pandora wrote:

I like that better too ...you improved on Buddha! very nice

beautifully descriptive

:thumbup:

*takes a bow and says in best Elvis voice* thank you, thank you very much

that man is cool and his music a religion in itself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBUb0El ... re=related

Flutter Girl

pandora wrote:

that man is cool and his music a religion in itself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBUb0El ... re=related

haha perfect song for this

Not to be Gypsy-this and Gypsy-that on this forum (can't help it, my whole fam runs different organisations that help our kind so my life is kinda immersed in it), but I must say, I'm quite proud Elvis was Gypsy himself..Happy to be of the same breed LoL

pandora

Flutter Girl wrote:

pandora wrote:

that man is cool and his music a religion in itself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBUb0El ... re=related

haha perfect song for this

Not to be Gypsy-this and Gypsy-that on this forum (can't help it, my whole fam runs different organisations that help our kind so my life is kinda immersed in it), but I must say, I'm quite proud Elvis was Gypsy himself..Happy to be of the same breed LoL

Proud is the only way to be

I read your other thread.....I mean to say my heart got tangled up in it...
I started my words and stopped them
a few times
then just cried a little...lots of heartbreak that shouldn't be.
Sometimes there is no words for the injustice and I can not understand why people
don't feel each other in their hearts.
I just don't get all the hate.

Happy note...I read Elvis' bio years ago...he has a special place in my heart
He was a good man we lost way too soon.

Flutter Girl

pandora wrote:

Proud is the only way to be

I read your other thread.....I mean to say my heart got tangled up in it...
I started my words and stopped them
a few times
then just cried a little...lots of heartbreak that shouldn't be.
Sometimes there is no words for the injustice and I can not understand why people
don't feel each other in their hearts.
I just don't get all the hate.

Happy note...I read Elvis' bio years ago...he has a special place in my heart
He was a good man we lost way too soon.

I've grown a level of immunity to it all, after so many years of hearing the details, and seeing the results of the worst..I now just get more angry than anything..I mean my fam has had activits, as far as I know of, dating back to before the first world war (including one great uncle who worked with Yul Brynner, another fellow Gypsy, on a couple of projects)..so I've heard quite a bit..like how many of us were killed in the Holocaust (real esitimates vary between 80-95% of our population..) or just that the very first victims of the Holocaust were 250 young Gypsy children..to test and make sure the Zyklon B gas would, indeed, kill them. Or how there is a modern day concentration camp in Italy, righ ouside Rome right now.

On a bright note, we have finally, after a decade of fighting, seen the closure of the "Death Camps for Children" in Kosovo last month. Too late to save the children tho. Those that are surviving all have severe disabilities, including irreversable brain damage, due to the lead that drifted into the camps every day from the mountains of lead piled right next to the camps..But at least it won't hurt any more children.

I should post some old phots I have of Elvis wearing a sequined Gypsy costume..leave it to him to bedazzle even that

pandora

Flutter Girl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Proud is the only way to be

I read your other thread.....I mean to say my heart got tangled up in it...
I started my words and stopped them
a few times
then just cried a little...lots of heartbreak that shouldn't be.
Sometimes there is no words for the injustice and I can not understand why people
don't feel each other in their hearts.
I just don't get all the hate.

Happy note...I read Elvis' bio years ago...he has a special place in my heart
He was a good man we lost way too soon.

I've grown a level of immunity to it all, after so many years of hearing the details, and seeing the results of the worst..I now just get more angry than anything..I mean my fam has had activits, as far as I know of, dating back to before the first world war (including one great uncle who worked with Yul Brynner, another fellow Gypsy, on a couple of projects)..so I've heard quite a bit..like how many of us were killed in the Holocaust (real esitimates vary between 80-95% of our population..) or just that the very first victims of the Holocaust were 250 young Gypsy children..to test and make sure the Zyklon B gas would, indeed, kill them. Or how there is a modern day concentration camp in Italy, righ ouside Rome right now.

On a bright note, we have finally, after a decade of fighting, seen the closure of the "Death Camps for Children" in Kosovo last month. Too late to save the children tho. Those that are surviving all have severe disabilities, including irreversable brain damage, due to the lead that drifted into the camps every day from the mountains of lead piled right next to the camps..But at least it won't hurt any more children.

I should post some old phots I have of Elvis wearing a sequined Gypsy costume..leave it to him to bedazzle even that

Bringing the harsh realities to people, as your family has done ...spreading the word
this will hopefully bring change. Your passion is to be admired.
We can hope that love will spread throughout the world and mend the wrongs.

Yes Elvis was bedazzling great word to describe him!

pandora

Your task is not to seek love,

but merely to seek and find all of the barriers within yourself

that you have built against it.

Idris

pandora wrote:

Your task is not to seek love,

but merely to seek and find all of the barriers within yourself

that you have built against it.

Do you know what barriers Rumi is speaking about? The ego, the same thing Buddha, Plato, Zoroaster and many others through out history have spoken about. Once those barriers are not just dropped, but understood. We can awake to the reality.

People talking about does this exist, does that exist. All we need to do is lose the ego, everyone, don't get so angry, when things start to bother you, trace it back. Find the truth.

Slowly, stage by stage, strip away the ego, the self, let go, do good and let go.

You believe in God, or don't, all you need to do is, tell the truth, be good, don't lie, don't cheat, basic things like that. Find the stillness, and you will find the answers.

That's it, so easy

Random_Wookie

MrAbraham wrote:

Do you know what barriers Rumi is speaking about? The ego, the same thing Buddha, Plato, Zoroaster and many others through out history have spoken about. Once those barriers are not just dropped, but understood. We can awake to the reality.

People talking about does this exist, does that exist. All we need to do is lose the ego, everyone, don't get so angry, when things start to bother you, trace it back. Find the truth.

Slowly, stage by stage, strip away the ego, the self, let go, do good and let go.

You believe in God, or don't, all you need to do is, tell the truth, be good, don't lie, don't cheat, basic things like that. Find the stillness, and you will find the answers.

That's it, so easy

Nice way to put it

Hugh Freaking Dillon

MrAbraham wrote:

You believe in God, or don't, all you need to do is, tell the truth, be good, don't lie, don't cheat, basic things like that. Find the stillness, and you will find the answers.

That's it, so easy

dig it, Mr A.

Got a hard hard head

When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".

There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.

As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...

Electric_Delta

Got a hard hard head wrote:

When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".

There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.

As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...

What are you basing your beliefs upon?

Random_Wookie

Got a hard hard head wrote:

When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".

There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.

As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...

This is so true, but should we care about the years outside of our ability to perceive?

Got a hard hard head

Electric_Delta wrote:

Got a hard hard head wrote:

When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".

There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.

As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...

What are you basing your beliefs upon?

Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.

pandora

Got a hard hard head wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Got a hard hard head wrote:

When you have one side of a theory that says it has been scientifically proven that the carbon in each and every person, which is so vital for life, was forged in the heart of a star, that humans are the result of millions and millions of years of progressive evolution, through incalculable recombinations of DNA it's a little difficult to argue agains this fact with "God made us because it says so in this book".

There is no God, no omnipotent, omnipresent being who rules over and judges us all. God or any other deity did not make the Universe and everything in it. There is a power (if you want to call it that), a presence that we have not one iota of the knowledge that it will take to understand it - it will remain, probably, forever beyond our comprehension.

As for death and what is beyond? Well, the Universe is over 14 billion years old, but I really only have a fairly decent recollection of the last 35 years or so. The 14.999999999 etc. billion years before I came along went in an instant, the blink of a cosmic eye. I expect when I leave this mortal coil, it'll pretty much be the same deal...

What are you basing your beliefs upon?

Not once in anything I wrote do I state ‘these are my beliefs’. My last paragraph is merely conjecture. I may be wrong, I may be right. That’s another one of my problems with religion - that they have the arrogance to even suggest they know what lies beyond this life.
The main point I was making is that it’s hard to argue scientific facts – facts that have been proven beyond all doubt to be accurate and correct - with something that is, basically, speculation and myth.

People discount others who know what lies after death....
in their opinion, there is not supporting scientific proof of an afterlife so that makes
what they believe untrue.

Near death experience and other phenomenon have given some people knowledge of the fact there is a continuation after death.

That there is a soul or complex energy and consciousness that leaves the body and travels on.

Religion is our human history.
Who is to say that thousands of years ago
miracles did not happen when this phenomenon happens everyday.

But what it comes down to is this ....

you can not argue Faith, either you have it or you don't.
Those without can not understand that it is as meaningful as scientific proof.

It's not a matter of arrogance

it is a matter of Faith and there is as much knowledge in what we feel as what we know
from facts based only in science.

catefrances

i love that people think that what ed has to say is some sort of truth. i could tell you things and make you believe that what i say is truth...... that doesnt necessarily make it so. same goes for abraham lincoln or anyone else.

pandora

catefrances wrote:

i love that people think that what ed has to say is some sort of truth. i could tell you things and make you believe that what i say is truth...... that doesnt necessarily make it so. same goes for abraham lincoln or anyone else.

everyone has their own truth...it speaks to the heart...that is where it lives

to believe in another's truth you must believe in their heart

and trust


"Here in my heart, my happiness, my house.
Here inside the lighted window is my love, my hope, my life.
Peace is my companion on the pathway winding to the threshold.
Inside this portal dwells new strength in the security, serenity, and radiance of those I love above life itself."

— Abraham Lincoln