What is the minimum income requirement for having sex?

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edited March 2011 in A Moving Train
People around here are always saying that you shouldn't have a kid if you can't afford to pay for him/her. We all know that the ONLY way to certainly avoid pregnancy is to not have sex. So I'm wondering, how much money should a person have - in income AND savings - before he or she gets to have sex? What is this magic number that would pull someone with kids off your list of irresponsible people? How much money should YOU have before you get to have sex (or DID you have when you started)? And if you've ever dropped below this magic number, did you STOP having sex immediately? Would you? How would your spouse/partner feel about this?
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  • _ wrote:
    People around here are always saying that you shouldn't have a kid if you can't afford to pay for him/her. We all know that the ONLY way to certainly avoid pregnancy is to not have sex. So I'm wondering, how much money should a person have - in income AND savings - before he or she gets to have sex? What is this magic number that would pull someone with kids off your list of irresponsible people? How much money should YOU have before you get to have sex (or DID you have when you started)? And if you've ever dropped below this magic number, did you STOP having sex immediately? Would you? How would your spouse/partner feel about this?

    LOVE it. :thumbup:
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    _ wrote:
    People around here are always saying that you shouldn't have a kid if you can't afford to pay for him/her. We all know that the ONLY way to certainly avoid pregnancy is to not have sex. So I'm wondering, how much money should a person have - in income AND savings - before he or she gets to have sex? What is this magic number that would pull someone with kids off your list of irresponsible people? How much money should YOU have before you get to have sex (or DID you have when you started)? And if you've ever dropped below this magic number, did you STOP having sex immediately? Would you? How would your spouse/partner feel about this?


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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    $5.00

    Not sure how much a box of trojans costs in your area, but that should be at least enough for a night :D
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  • curlycurly Posts: 704
    15 yrs ago i was doing nothin but partyn and listening to pj...me personally, i wanted more in life but couldn't break the cycle, so in my dazed and confused thinking, i thankfully had a child knowing it would "wake me up" so to speak. Can't speak for everyone but it worked out great for me...I woke up, grew up, had another kid, got married to the mother of the 2, moved up the ranks of my job, now successful, happily married, kids are my best friends and still get to listen to PJ non stop, but only party when... its...we'll lets just say i still have fun here and there!!! Doesn't really answer your question...just wanted to share...
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I pull out, it's free
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    go to Vegas with $5000 to spend,find an escort for a few hours=$800 to $1200,room comped because you called ahead and told them you had $10,000 to gamble with.

    1)sex with a world class prostitute $1200
    2)room comped saved $300 to $400
    3) deduct room savings from prostitute
    4) world class prostitute now only cost $700 to $800
    5) gamble on penny games to stretch out the $4200 you have left

    A weekend in Vegas and sex with a world class prostitute for $5000
    6) PRICELESS !
    7) save all receipts and use as travel and business expense write offs on your tax's
    8) not only did you get great sex and fun in Vegas, you also got to screw the IRS ! :lol:
    9) you have just hit a double header
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    edited February 2011
    curly wrote:
    15 yrs ago i was doing nothin but partyn and listening to pj...me personally, i wanted more in life but couldn't break the cycle, so in my dazed and confused thinking, i thankfully had a child knowing it would "wake me up" so to speak. Can't speak for everyone but it worked out great for me...I woke up, grew up, had another kid, got married to the mother of the 2, moved up the ranks of my job, now successful, happily married, kids are my best friends and still get to listen to PJ non stop, but only party when... its...we'll lets just say i still have fun here and there!!! Doesn't really answer your question...just wanted to share...

    Doesn't answer the question no but I love your story and I think there is a lesson there.
    Children are life changing for some people...we all wish it was so for all children,
    that is what the innocent deserve.
    Unfortunately that's not the case sometimes, far from a perfect world.

    I personally believe in people being responsible for themselves
    and their children financially.
    I was raised like this, my children were and I'm assuming their children will be.

    Above and beyond that, some parents want better for their children then they had.

    Some parents raise children who have children when they are still children themselves
    and that cycle continues.

    History does repeat itself


    I'm going with one of the posters above
    I'm going with ....

    being responsible enough to use a condom and foam and a diaphragm....
    quite effective at preventing pregnancy which really is the answer.

    Use protection if you can't afford to raise a child on your own.

    If you can't afford protection each time you want to have sex
    avoid fornication and rely on other forms of gratification.
    Not necessarliy a bad thing ;)
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  • guitar59guitar59 Posts: 1,221
    I pull out, it's free


    :lol: But it doesn't always work as a method to avoid pregnancy, we have 4 kids and 2 (the 1st and last) walk this Earth as living proff that it doesn't work!
  • zarocatzarocat Posts: 1,901
    edited February 2011
    _ wrote:
    how much money should a person have - in income AND savings - before he or she gets to have sex? What is this magic number that would pull someone with kids off your list of irresponsible people? How much money should YOU have before you get to have sex (or DID you have when you started)? And if you've ever dropped below this magic number, did you STOP having sex immediately? Would you? How would your spouse/partner feel about this?

    I had 50 bucks (maybe) in my pocket the first time I had sex

    I wouldn't think that the amount of money would pull someone off the list for me. What would, would be the fact that they have no structure in their life. Structure (and responsible behaviour) would evolve into placing your life with that child first, for example, financially. Children are exposed to neglect in poor families and financially secured families.

    I would not ever want to see a human being deprived of sexual pleasure (between two people) because of money. You would be missing out on that energy and for what ... money ? Fuck that.

    Now, in a relationship, yes, I understood that I was not financially prepared if my partner and I got pregnant and took precautions for that. I would say 25,000 to 50,000 in the 'bank' to have a child with at least one income coming in after birth.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    _ wrote:
    People around here are always saying that you shouldn't have a kid if you can't afford to pay for him/her. We all know that the ONLY way to certainly avoid pregnancy is to not have sex. So I'm wondering, how much money should a person have - in income AND savings - before he or she gets to have sex? What is this magic number that would pull someone with kids off your list of irresponsible people? How much money should YOU have before you get to have sex (or DID you have when you started)? And if you've ever dropped below this magic number, did you STOP having sex immediately? Would you? How would your spouse/partner feel about this?
    How about starting off with your OWN income and not relying on other peoples for your basic needs.
    condoms are cheap and are sold everywhere.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    _ wrote:
    People around here are always saying that you shouldn't have a kid if you can't afford to pay for him/her. We all know that the ONLY way to certainly avoid pregnancy is to not have sex. So I'm wondering, how much money should a person have - in income AND savings - before he or she gets to have sex? What is this magic number that would pull someone with kids off your list of irresponsible people? How much money should YOU have before you get to have sex (or DID you have when you started)? And if you've ever dropped below this magic number, did you STOP having sex immediately? Would you? How would your spouse/partner feel about this?
    so do you think its a good thing that people have children who can't afford to pay for their basic needs?
  • HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    People around here are always saying that you shouldn't have a kid if you can't afford to pay for him/her. We all know that the ONLY way to certainly avoid pregnancy is to not have sex. So I'm wondering, how much money should a person have - in income AND savings - before he or she gets to have sex? What is this magic number that would pull someone with kids off your list of irresponsible people? How much money should YOU have before you get to have sex (or DID you have when you started)? And if you've ever dropped below this magic number, did you STOP having sex immediately? Would you? How would your spouse/partner feel about this?
    so do you think its a good thing that people have children who can't afford to pay for their basic needs?
    I don't think he (or she) is saying that. I know I like to drink and screw and there's no way I could afford a kid, I'm a 20 year old student.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    bone town...
    $0.14 in savings (in a 5 gallon water bottle)
    no checking account

    the poorer i am the more lady friends i have.
    the shittier my car gets the more women i have.

    if i were a multi-millionaire i would be without female companionship
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    zarocat wrote:
    I had 50 bucks (maybe) in my pocket the first time I had sex


    baller.

    i'm pretty sure i was flat broke. :lol:
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    People around here are always saying that you shouldn't have a kid if you can't afford to pay for him/her. We all know that the ONLY way to certainly avoid pregnancy is to not have sex. So I'm wondering, how much money should a person have - in income AND savings - before he or she gets to have sex? What is this magic number that would pull someone with kids off your list of irresponsible people? How much money should YOU have before you get to have sex (or DID you have when you started)? And if you've ever dropped below this magic number, did you STOP having sex immediately? Would you? How would your spouse/partner feel about this?
    so do you think its a good thing that people have children who can't afford to pay for their basic needs?
    I don't think he (or she) is saying that. I know I like to drink and screw and there's no way I could afford a kid, I'm a 20 year old student.
    The 1st line says " people around here are always saying that you shouldn't have a kid if you can't afford to pay for him/her"
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I'm more concerned about people's level of intellect and sense of responsibility and accountability compared to any "income". A person's income or holding a paying job or how much they have in their bank account does not make someone good, responsible or in a good place to necessarily create a good, successful society or be a good parent (if that's what our intent is in this discussion or in life).
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    For those of you who copped out by saying to use contraception, you're missing the point. NO CONTRACEPTION IS 100% EFFECTIVE. None. Period. (Condoms & pulling out particularly.) For instance, I know of a couple right now where the woman had her tubes tied AND the man had a vasectomy and they are now pregnant with twins!

    So let's get serious and hear a number - especially from you, HeidiJam.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    This is a good questoin, and i'm sure we all have vast opinions..
    just from personal experience, I Iike to be 100% prepared for everytihg financially. My fiance wants to have two kids one day, but I always tell her I only want one because thats all we can afford now. But both of our parents have said that you're never feel ready for kids, and that even if you're not financially secure, we'll "find a way" to get by. I don't like this idea, but the more and more people I talk to about this, the more I realize that is reality in many cases.

    I cant imagine putting an exact amount on it, but presonally, I'd like to have 10K-12K in the bank before I have a kid.

    I'm sure its hard to budget too. I have an older brother who was apparently an inexpensive kid. I was expensive though -- sick all the time, allergies, fucked up teeth that needed braces, monthly trips to the emergency room, wrecked my dads car (older of course).. accident prone to say the least.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    _ wrote:
    For those of you who copped out by saying to use contraception, you're missing the point. NO CONTRACEPTION IS 100% EFFECTIVE. None. Period. (Condoms & pulling out particularly.) For instance, I know of a couple right now where the woman had her tubes tied AND the man had a vasectomy and they are now pregnant with twins!

    So let's get serious and hear a number - especially from you, HeidiJam.

    there is no number for love, my wife and I had just bought our first home in 1990 and new used car for her, she was making $8hr and I was making $10hr needles to say in 1994 things where still tight,then one day I'm at work and she drives into the yard and sez "I'm pregnant" I had never seen her so happy before,she was not supposed to be able to have children...I got dizzy and almost passed out.
    but as tight as things were our son was and still is the best gift we have ever received, money or not.

    Godfather.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    _ wrote:
    For those of you who copped out by saying to use contraception, you're missing the point. NO CONTRACEPTION IS 100% EFFECTIVE. None. Period. (Condoms & pulling out particularly.) For instance, I know of a couple right now where the woman had her tubes tied AND the man had a vasectomy and they are now pregnant with twins!

    So let's get serious and hear a number - especially from you, HeidiJam.
    I think the magic number depends on how well you at saving and how well you can scale down your lifestyle to accommodate a kid. Cost of living varies but if you are able to save $500 a month over your expenses before having a kid then I think you have a shot. If you are in currently in debt and have scaled your lifestyle down as much as possible, a kid is not going to make things any easier.

    As FiveB also noted, you need to be mature and mentally prepared as well.

    Then again, I don't have any kids so what the hell do I know. :D
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  • Personally, I thought it was glaringly obvious that the OP was being facetious.

    The government has no right to say, "well you're a dumbass for having a kid at 19 years with $300 in your bank account so we're withholding all benefits you'd otherwise be entitled to."

    WE have no right to judge someone for having a kid with little previous financial success. I guess you could conceivably judge if you didn't ever have sex until you were financially secure (whatever that means).

    If I'm interpreting this correctly, and I think I am, the OP is saying that you are being obnoxious, arrogant, and pretentious by judging people who aren't finacially secure that decide not to kill the baby. Is it ideal? FUCK no!!! But let me tell you guys something that have never had a kid... it is NEVER the ideal time to have a kid. You can NEVER be completely ready.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    _ wrote:
    For those of you who copped out by saying to use contraception, you're missing the point. NO CONTRACEPTION IS 100% EFFECTIVE. None. Period. (Condoms & pulling out particularly.) For instance, I know of a couple right now where the woman had her tubes tied AND the man had a vasectomy and they are now pregnant with twins!

    So let's get serious and hear a number - especially from you, HeidiJam.
    I can't believe this is a serious question...
    If you can't afford basic needs for yourself (food,clothes,shelter,shoes, etc.) then you should not be having children. Babies/children need double the basic needs that adults do.
    I don't understand how this concept is so hard to realize?
    I feel bad for the people like you ( _)who think poor people should be able to do whatever they want and continually to be funded by the Gov. Because in reality it only hurts the poor people. Children born to parents who can't provide for them usually follow the same path as their parents.
    Maybe we should teach personal responsibility in public school.
  • HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    For those of you who copped out by saying to use contraception, you're missing the point. NO CONTRACEPTION IS 100% EFFECTIVE. None. Period. (Condoms & pulling out particularly.) For instance, I know of a couple right now where the woman had her tubes tied AND the man had a vasectomy and they are now pregnant with twins!

    So let's get serious and hear a number - especially from you, HeidiJam.
    I can't believe this is a serious question...
    If you can't afford basic needs for yourself (food,clothes,shelter,shoes, etc.) then you should not be having children. Babies/children need double the basic needs that adults do.
    I don't understand how this concept is so hard to realize?
    I feel bad for the people like you ( _)who think poor people should be able to do whatever they want and continually to be funded by the Gov. Because in reality it only hurts the poor people. Children born to parents who can't provide for them usually follow the same path as their parents.
    Maybe we should teach personal responsibility in public school.

    so what are you proposing specifically?

    Forced abortion?

    No government entitlement programs for the poor, only the rich?

    :?
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    Personally, I thought it was glaringly obvious that the OP was being facetious.

    The government has no right to say, "well you're a dumbass for having a kid at 19 years with $300 in your bank account so we're withholding all benefits you'd otherwise be entitled to."

    WE have no right to judge someone for having a kid with little previous financial success. I guess you could conceivably judge if you didn't ever have sex until you were financially secure (whatever that means).

    If I'm interpreting this correctly, and I think I am, the OP is saying that you are being obnoxious, arrogant, and pretentious by judging people who aren't finacially secure that decide not to kill the baby. Is it ideal? FUCK no!!! But let me tell you guys something that have never had a kid... it is NEVER the ideal time to have a kid. You can NEVER be completely ready.
    Why do we have this though that we have no right to tell people what they can and can't do, when they are using everybody elses money to support their lifestyle when they don't even pay back into the same system? I see welfare people like I see children. They are dependants and can't live or provide for themselves on their own.They need direction and need to take responsibilities for their actions. Being given money/clothes/shelter and letting them do whatever they want is not a good of helping them. For those you that are for not putting any restrictions on welfare recipiants, use the gov. template and see how that works on your teenagers.
  • HeidiJam wrote:
    Why do we have this though that we have no right to tell people what they can and can't do, when they are using everybody elses money to support their lifestyle when they don't even pay back into the same system?


    so, you are proposing that we don't allow them to have sex? How exactly are we going to enforce this?
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I see welfare people like I see children. They are dependants and can't live or provide for themselves on their own.


    Let me guess... are they all black, too?
    HeidiJam wrote:
    They need direction and need to take responsibilities for their actions. Being given money/clothes/shelter and letting them do whatever they want is not a good of helping them. For those you that are for not putting any restrictions on welfare recipiants, use the gov. template and see how that works on your teenagers.

    woohoo... social engineering! Sig Heil!
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    so what are you proposing specifically?

    Forced abortion?

    No government entitlement programs for the poor, only the rich?

    :?
    I don't know, maybe use all that added money that welfare recipiants get when they have another child, put that into a public housing care system, put children in the housing system so they can be provided for properly by people who want children. Then deduct money (child care costs) from said recipiant who had the child. That way they are paying some sort of consequence for their actions and at the same time the money is going right back to the children (housing system) who originally would have no future. I think if people start seeing money disappearing from their welfare checks it would hopefully change their thought process/decision making.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538

    so, you are proposing that we don't allow them to have sex? How exactly are we going to enforce this?

    Let me guess... are they all black, too?

    woohoo... social engineering! Sig Heil!

    So, you are proposing that we allow them to have as many children that they want? Who exactly is going to pay for this?

    Let me guess... your are racist?

    woohoo.... No personal responsibility.
    So, please tell me again why is it ok to force me to pay into the welfare system?
  • HeidiJam wrote:
    so what are you proposing specifically?

    Forced abortion?

    No government entitlement programs for the poor, only the rich?

    :?
    I don't know, maybe use all that added money that welfare recipiants get when they have another child, put that into a public housing care system, put children in the housing system so they can be provided for properly by people who want children. Then deduct money (child care costs) from said recipiant who had the child. That way they are paying some sort of consequence for their actions and at the same time the money is going right back to the children (housing system) who originally would have no future. I think if people start seeing money disappearing from their welfare checks it would hopefully change their thought process/decision making.

    jesus christ so now you're proposing that we take kids away from their parents simply because they aren't financially successful? WOW I just don't know what to say... :shock:
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    Personally, I thought it was glaringly obvious that the OP was being facetious.

    The government has no right to say, "well you're a dumbass for having a kid at 19 years with $300 in your bank account so we're withholding all benefits you'd otherwise be entitled to."

    WE have no right to judge someone for having a kid with little previous financial success. I guess you could conceivably judge if you didn't ever have sex until you were financially secure (whatever that means).

    If I'm interpreting this correctly, and I think I am, the OP is saying that you are being obnoxious, arrogant, and pretentious by judging people who aren't finacially secure that decide not to kill the baby. Is it ideal? FUCK no!!! But let me tell you guys something that have never had a kid... it is NEVER the ideal time to have a kid. You can NEVER be completely ready.
    I don't think the OP was being facetious. Otherwise that would just be baiting someone into an ambush rather then to discuss and debate. ;)
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