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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    unsung wrote:
    I'm glad someone brought up Chicago. Since the ban was declared unconstitutional last June the murder rate has gone down.

    Bans don't work.

    This my last gun post on these forums because I'm no longer going to beat my head off the wall. Liberals fail to grasp the concept of addressing the reasons why someone would do this, instead they want to blame an inanimate object. Much like the VT shooter there were multiple signs this person was unstable and addressing that is the one and only real issue.

    Gutting the 2nd Amendment would open up the entire Constitution for dismissal, another concept that is lost upon the left.

    And to all of the foreigners that love to chime in on America with your hatred, I wish you all a good day.

    this post reeks of fear... fear of tackling a genuine problem with guns, fear of amending a piece of parchment, fear of using a proper term for people and instead just calling anyone with compassion a 'liberal' and lastly a fear of foreigners who you perceive to 'hate' your country. I don't hate your country, it's a beautiful piece of land that you stole or whatever, i just hate some of the morons in it.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    unsung wrote:
    I'm glad someone brought up Chicago. Since the ban was declared unconstitutional last June the murder rate has gone down.

    Bans don't work.

    This my last gun post on these forums because I'm no longer going to beat my head off the wall. Liberals fail to grasp the concept of addressing the reasons why someone would do this, instead they want to blame an inanimate object. Much like the VT shooter there were multiple signs this person was unstable and addressing that is the one and only real issue.

    Gutting the 2nd Amendment would open up the entire Constitution for dismissal, another concept that is lost upon the left.

    And to all of the foreigners that love to chime in on America with your hatred, I wish you all a good day.

    Left and right, left and right, left and right........and the wheel keeps spinning - beating heads off walls indeed. And being critcal of aspects of your country does not equate to hate, I can assure you I am as critical of my own country and that of many others.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    dunkman wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I'm glad someone brought up Chicago. Since the ban was declared unconstitutional last June the murder rate has gone down.

    Bans don't work.

    This my last gun post on these forums because I'm no longer going to beat my head off the wall. Liberals fail to grasp the concept of addressing the reasons why someone would do this, instead they want to blame an inanimate object. Much like the VT shooter there were multiple signs this person was unstable and addressing that is the one and only real issue.

    Gutting the 2nd Amendment would open up the entire Constitution for dismissal, another concept that is lost upon the left.

    And to all of the foreigners that love to chime in on America with your hatred, I wish you all a good day.

    this post reeks of fear... fear of tackling a genuine problem with guns, fear of amending a piece of parchment, fear of using a proper term for people and instead just calling anyone with compassion a 'liberal' and lastly a fear of foreigners who you perceive to 'hate' your country. I don't hate your country, it's a beautiful piece of land that you stole or whatever, i just hate some of the morons in it.

    well.... dunk ..no words,you have a habit of talking meaningless babble when talking about America.

    Godfather.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Godfather. wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I'm glad someone brought up Chicago. Since the ban was declared unconstitutional last June the murder rate has gone down.

    Bans don't work.

    This my last gun post on these forums because I'm no longer going to beat my head off the wall. Liberals fail to grasp the concept of addressing the reasons why someone would do this, instead they want to blame an inanimate object. Much like the VT shooter there were multiple signs this person was unstable and addressing that is the one and only real issue.

    Gutting the 2nd Amendment would open up the entire Constitution for dismissal, another concept that is lost upon the left.

    And to all of the foreigners that love to chime in on America with your hatred, I wish you all a good day.

    this post reeks of fear... fear of tackling a genuine problem with guns, fear of amending a piece of parchment, fear of using a proper term for people and instead just calling anyone with compassion a 'liberal' and lastly a fear of foreigners who you perceive to 'hate' your country. I don't hate your country, it's a beautiful piece of land that you stole or whatever, i just hate some of the morons in it.

    well.... dunk ..no words,you have a habit of talking meaningless babble when talking about America.

    Godfather.


    and you have a habit of just talking meaningless babble. :thumbup:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    Godfather. wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I'm glad someone brought up Chicago. Since the ban was declared unconstitutional last June the murder rate has gone down.

    Bans don't work.

    This my last gun post on these forums because I'm no longer going to beat my head off the wall. Liberals fail to grasp the concept of addressing the reasons why someone would do this, instead they want to blame an inanimate object. Much like the VT shooter there were multiple signs this person was unstable and addressing that is the one and only real issue.

    Gutting the 2nd Amendment would open up the entire Constitution for dismissal, another concept that is lost upon the left.

    And to all of the foreigners that love to chime in on America with your hatred, I wish you all a good day.

    this post reeks of fear... fear of tackling a genuine problem with guns, fear of amending a piece of parchment, fear of using a proper term for people and instead just calling anyone with compassion a 'liberal' and lastly a fear of foreigners who you perceive to 'hate' your country. I don't hate your country, it's a beautiful piece of land that you stole or whatever, i just hate some of the morons in it.

    well.... dunk ..no words,you have a habit of talking meaningless babble when talking about America.

    Godfather.

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    dunk is correct
    and why don't you debate him on this like a normal human being would
    instead of attacking him for his valid opinion?
    stand up for what you believe in with a well thought out reply
    instead of hiding behind useless posts
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Our world is filled with evil,
    on a small personal scale and a very large scale, corrupted governments.

    What evil wants/needs to thrive, is power
    It is what drives evil, gratifies, tempts, nourishes, sustains.

    It drives men (and governments) to rape, steal, cheat, murder, oppress.
    Money is power, power is money.

    Having a group of people totally powerless and saying that is ok assumes our world is not evil,
    that power deserves our trust. This is foolhardy and naive.

    Protecting the right to bear arms protects our freedoms and
    protects our basic right to protect ourselves against oppression and personal harm.

    I'll say this again... I don't feel "totally powerless" without a gun. I don't feel oppressed. I feel safer.

    You say the world is "evil" and therefore we need guns to protect ourselves at all costs. Then how come the rest of us (in that same evil world) are able to manage just fine without them, and have no spurious notion of any "rights" being violated.

    You say it is foolhardy and naive to think power deserves our trust. What is it that you want from having a gun in your belt if not a sense of power? So why then should I trust you, or anyone else for that matter, with a gun?

    Your argument really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

    What doesn't make sense is a law banning responsible people from owning guns.
    What is the fear there?
    Why shouldn't a person be allowed to own a gun? What are you afraid of?

    I don't own a gun nor carry one in my belt :lol: makes me laugh cause I can't picture that on me
    and people who own or carry guns don't do so to feel powerful, this I know because I know people who do. Clear headed, loving, intelligent, peaceful people.
    It is a freedom some enjoy, our basic right in our country to protect ourselves or others if need be.
    This may be unpopular to say but perhaps if someone was carrying when this young man went nuts with hate he could have been stopped at the first bullet.

    It really comes down to hate. You can see it in the nasties in this thread. People judging each other without even trying to understand how they feel, the experiences that have brought their opinions or how they live.

    What doesn't make sense to me is why some people in other countries must feel the need to judge and find fault with our basic rights given to us when our country was formed. Truly what business would it be of yours and why should it matter?
    It is a matter of hate and passing judgement which you can see in some of the very crass posts.
    Its not guns that are bad its people and some people use words as their weapons.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    pandora wrote:
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Our world is filled with evil,
    on a small personal scale and a very large scale, corrupted governments.

    What evil wants/needs to thrive, is power
    It is what drives evil, gratifies, tempts, nourishes, sustains.

    It drives men (and governments) to rape, steal, cheat, murder, oppress.
    Money is power, power is money.

    Having a group of people totally powerless and saying that is ok assumes our world is not evil,
    that power deserves our trust. This is foolhardy and naive.

    Protecting the right to bear arms protects our freedoms and
    protects our basic right to protect ourselves against oppression and personal harm.

    I'll say this again... I don't feel "totally powerless" without a gun. I don't feel oppressed. I feel safer.

    You say the world is "evil" and therefore we need guns to protect ourselves at all costs. Then how come the rest of us (in that same evil world) are able to manage just fine without them, and have no spurious notion of any "rights" being violated.

    You say it is foolhardy and naive to think power deserves our trust. What is it that you want from having a gun in your belt if not a sense of power? So why then should I trust you, or anyone else for that matter, with a gun?

    Your argument really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

    What doesn't make sense is a law banning responsible people from owning guns.
    What is the fear there?
    Why shouldn't a person be allowed to own a gun? What are you afraid of?.

    I'd be afraid of people like the Tucson kid... or the guy from California who shot dead 5 people... or the VTech guy... all of whom acquired their guns legally.

    thats the fear... i'm more afraid that a mentalist wants to kill tens of people at random than i am of a man breaking into my house to steal my big tv.

    why do people want to own a gun? cos they themselves are filled with fear... your society perpetuates that fear with its showbiz style news, gang culture, shitty politics, etc... people are scared of everything over there... remember the Communist fear of the 50s??? pure fear based hugely on ignorance of the facts... that's almost got a lot of Americans summed up... they fear something they have no knowledge of... like Belgium or how to act properly abroad for instance.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    pandora wrote:
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Our world is filled with evil,
    on a small personal scale and a very large scale, corrupted governments.

    What evil wants/needs to thrive, is power
    It is what drives evil, gratifies, tempts, nourishes, sustains.

    It drives men (and governments) to rape, steal, cheat, murder, oppress.
    Money is power, power is money.

    Having a group of people totally powerless and saying that is ok assumes our world is not evil,
    that power deserves our trust. This is foolhardy and naive.

    Protecting the right to bear arms protects our freedoms and
    protects our basic right to protect ourselves against oppression and personal harm.

    I'll say this again... I don't feel "totally powerless" without a gun. I don't feel oppressed. I feel safer.

    You say the world is "evil" and therefore we need guns to protect ourselves at all costs. Then how come the rest of us (in that same evil world) are able to manage just fine without them, and have no spurious notion of any "rights" being violated.

    You say it is foolhardy and naive to think power deserves our trust. What is it that you want from having a gun in your belt if not a sense of power? So why then should I trust you, or anyone else for that matter, with a gun?

    Your argument really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

    What doesn't make sense is a law banning responsible people from owning guns.
    What is the fear there?
    Why shouldn't a person be allowed to own a gun? What are you afraid of?

    I don't own a gun nor carry one in my belt :lol: makes me laugh cause I can't picture that on me
    and people who own or carry guns don't do so to feel powerful, this I know because I know people who do. Clear headed, loving, intelligent, peaceful people.
    It is a freedom some enjoy, our basic right in our country to protect ourselves or others if need be.
    This may be unpopular to say but perhaps if someone was carrying when this young man went nuts with hate he could have been stopped at the first bullet.

    It really comes down to hate. You can see it in the nasties in this thread. People judging each other without even trying to understand how they feel, the experiences that have brought their opinions or how they live.

    What doesn't make sense to me is why some people in other countries must feel the need to judge and find fault with our basic rights given to us when our country was formed. Truly what business would it be of yours and why should it matter?
    It is a matter of hate and passing judgement which you can see in some of the very crass posts.
    Its not guns that are bad its people and some people use words as their weapons.

    Just because you say hate doesn't make it so, please bear that in mind before you pass judgement yourself. The point that I have tried to make (i won't speak for the others as they are more than capable) is that in my country there are freedom and rights, and yet I, nor anyone else I know, feel the need to have guns in our lives.

    You ask the questions "Why shouldn't a person be allowed to own a gun? What are you afraid of?" - come on really?, what I am afraid of is exactly what happened on the weekend. And the point of someone stepping up and responding to the attack by fireing their weapon has already been dealt with, with all the lax laws around carry and conceal, not one of these shooting sprees has ever been stopped by a radom member of the public producing their own weapon. I have to admit I really do not understand the fascination with guns, why can other civilised countries in the western world do without?

    Please don't deflect valid points that are being made with terms such as "hate", it cheapens your position. I don't live in America but we still have free speech over here, and an abilty to think for ourselves, all with out the paranoid dellusion that our government will someday take it all away by the barrel of a gun, and so therefore we ourselves need to be armed.

    Utter utter lunacy
  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    edited January 2011
    pandora wrote:
    What doesn't make sense is a law banning responsible people from owning guns.
    If you could ensure that only responsible people could own guns, you might have a point. What this event proves is that that is not the reality (read the article I posted above about how easily this guy was able to get a gun despite there being plenty of evidence that not only was he not responsible, he was dangerous.)
    pandora wrote:
    What is the fear there? Why shouldn't a person be allowed to own a gun? What are you afraid of?
    Do you really need to ask this?! Really?! After what has just happened? What keeps happening?
    My fear is that more innocent people get killed because anybody who wants to get a gun to kill people can do so with no problem at all. In my country, and in most other countries it's a lot harder, and not coincidentally, we don't have anything like the insane murder rates of the US. Your constitution may give you the right to bear arms (a right inherited from a very different era where it had some relevance), but is such an unnecessary privilege really worth all of this carnage?! Hanging onto this anachronism at all costs is downright irresponsible and is constantly putting people's lives in more danger than they otherwise would be.
    pandora wrote:
    It really comes down to hate. You can see it in the nasties in this thread. People judging each other without even trying to understand how they feel, the experiences that have brought their opinions or how they live.
    with all due respect, I don't think I fall into that category. Read back over my posts - you will find no hatred, no judgment without question, just an attempt at reasonable debate and discussion, that has been largely ignored in favour of polemic.
    pandora wrote:
    What doesn't make sense to me is why some people in other countries must feel the need to judge and find fault with our basic rights given to us when our country was formed. Truly what business would it be of yours and why should it matter?
    Am I not allowed to express an opinion, just because I am not from the US? There are very many Americans who have no such qualms about making their judgments and opinions known about what people do in other countries. Let's not have any double standards here, please.
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Why do some of you in here view fear/questioning our government as a bad thing???
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    dunkman wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    What doesn't make sense is a law banning responsible people from owning guns.
    What is the fear there?
    Why shouldn't a person be allowed to own a gun? What are you afraid of?.

    I'd be afraid of people like the Tucson kid... or the guy from California who shot dead 5 people... or the VTech guy... all of whom acquired their guns legally.

    thats the fear... i'm more afraid that a mentalist wants to kill tens of people at random than i am of a man breaking into my house to steal my big tv.

    why do people want to own a gun? cos they themselves are filled with fear... your society perpetuates that fear with its showbiz style news, gang culture, shitty politics, etc... people are scared of everything over there... remember the Communist fear of the 50s??? pure fear based hugely on ignorance of the facts... that's almost got a lot of Americans summed up... they fear something they have no knowledge of... like Belgium or how to act properly abroad for instance.
    Slightly odd Dunk that the important part of my post you choose to ignore.
    And again you choose to generalize and judge to simplify the situation and support your opinion.
    And again I will tell you the people I know do not own guns out of fear.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    g what is it with you man ?...always trying to correct me, as I said he should choose his words more carefully.
    have a nice day buddy.

    Godfather.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    What doesn't make sense is a law banning responsible people from owning guns.
    If you could ensure that only responsible people could own guns, you might have a point. What this event proves is that that is not the reality (read the article I posted above about how easily this guy was able to get a gun despite there being plenty of evidence that not only was he not responsible, he was dangerous.)
    pandora wrote:
    What is the fear there? Why shouldn't a person be allowed to own a gun? What are you afraid of?
    Do you really need to ask this?! Really?! My fear is that more innocent people get killed because anybody who wants to get a gun to kill people can do so with no problem at all. In my country, and in most other countries it's a lot harder, and not coincidentally, we don't have anything like the insane murder rates of the US. Your constitution may give you the right to bear arms (a right inherited from a very different era where it had some relevance), but is such an unnecessary privilege really worth all of this carnage?! Hanging onto this anachronism at all costs is downright irresponsible and is constantly putting people's lives in more danger than they otherwise would be.
    pandora wrote:
    It really comes down to hate. You can see it in the nasties in this thread. People judging each other without even trying to understand how they feel, the experiences that have brought their opinions or how they live.
    with all due respect, I don't think I fall into that category. Read back over my posts - you will find no hatred, no judment, just an attempt at reasonable debate and discussion, that has been largely ignored in favour of polemic.
    pandora wrote:
    What doesn't make sense to me is why some people in other countries must feel the need to judge and find fault with our basic rights given to us when our country was formed. Truly what business would it be of yours and why should it matter?
    Am I not allowed to express an opinion, just because I am not from the US? There are very many Americans who have no such qualms about making their judgments and opinions known about what people do in other countries. Let's not have any double standards here, please.
    Someone who wants to get a gun to carry our evil acts will bottom line, get it, one way or another. They care not about the law. There will be illegal guns available forever... the danger from crazies is here to stay.
    But taking away the rights of responsible people to own a gun is wrong.
    You have every right to express your opinion and although I replied to you that section of my rant was for the people here who love to judge others, generalize, and are inclined to be mean not just in this thread but in others.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    dunkman wrote:
    I'd be afraid of people like the Tucson kid... or the guy from California who shot dead 5 people... or the VTech guy... all of whom acquired their guns legally.

    thats the fear... i'm more afraid that a mentalist wants to kill tens of people at random than i am of a man breaking into my house to steal my big tv.

    why do people want to own a gun? cos they themselves are filled with fear... your society perpetuates that fear with its showbiz style news, gang culture, shitty politics, etc... people are scared of everything over there... remember the Communist fear of the 50s??? pure fear based hugely on ignorance of the facts... that's almost got a lot of Americans summed up... they fear something they have no knowledge of... like Belgium or how to act properly abroad for instance.
    Dude, you have got to be the most ignorant poster I have ever debated with. You have yet to bring in a single fact about gun control, you are generalizing everybody that owns a gun, and seem to think that the US is the worst country because of this random incident where the guilty party was a crazy nut. Things like this will happen whether there are guns or not... If we had socialized healthcare would you put the blame on the healthcare system for not detecting this mans mental illness and reporting it... You keep throwing the word fear out there as a fucking opinion, not as fact since you are NOT A GUN OWNER. You need to shut the fuck up because you do know know why any of us own a gun. I am not afraid anybody is going to steal my TV, I have my gun for Home Protection, since life is not a guarentee I would rather have all my options covered to protect my family from anything. Keep on generalizing and being opinionated about american. When you can list some facts about gun control maybe people here will take you seriously.
  • chime
    chime Posts: 7,839
    pandora wrote:
    What doesn't make sense to me is why some people in other countries must feel the need to judge and find fault with our basic rights given to us when our country was formed. Truly what business would it be of yours and why should it matter?
    It is a matter of hate and passing judgement which you can see in some of the very crass posts.
    Its not guns that are bad its people and some people use words as their weapons.

    I don't think it's judgement ... I think it is caring. Seeing news of these events and feeling compassion and wanting to think of ways that something similar could be avoided in the future.

    "Truly what business would it be of yours and why should it matter?" - would you prefer that the rest of the world didn't care? ... didn't feel that what had happened was a tragedy? ... that innocent Americans being killed didn't matter?

    Because some people come from countries where more restrictive gun laws have been introduced they suggest this as a possible solution. It's not to judge those who own guns but to say could you not give up your guns if it would mean that this is less likely to happen in the future?

    Burglaries will always happen but where a homeowner 'may' be armed will a criminal go unarmed? In a place where it is known that a homeowner is highly unlikely to be armed is there a possibility the criminal may go unarmed? ... does having a less armed general population lead to a less armed criminal population? ... I would think yes. But who knows.

    The main thing is everyone thinks this is a tragedy. Lives have been lost that shouldn't have been lost.
    So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    dunkman wrote:

    they fear something they have no knowledge of... like Belgium or how to act properly abroad for instance.


    Really? Give me a break. Kinda tough to read any of your points when you throw something in there that shows you have an unhealthy hatred of an entire country and it's people.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    pandora wrote:
    Someone who wants to get a gun to carry our evil acts will bottom line, get it, one way or another. They care not about the law. There will be illegal guns available forever... the danger from crazies is here to stay.


    perhaps in your country that has some semblance of truth... but take for instance the Columbine kids... they used their mummys and daddys adult toys to do the shootings... if those spotty little fuckwits had lived in say, Glasgow, the murder capital of Europe and they had wanted to shoot up their school they would never ever have acquired the weapons... and i'll tell you why... weapons are in the hands of criminals here, and the last thing they would want is the police snooping around asking questions like "why did you sell 2 nerds from school a bag of guns?"

    also, as the Columbine kids were clearly nerdier than a chess convention if they had found a gun dealer in Glasgow the dealer would have just robbed them of the money they had to buy the guns in the first place.

    But these kids that shoot up places are on the fringes of society... the disenfranchised... they wouldnt have the first fucking clue where to acuire illegal guns... they could barely string a sentence together to speak to girls never mind approach a gang of black/asian/white guys on a rough end of town street corner to ask for a Glock.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    cincybearcat wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    they fear something they have no knowledge of... like Belgium or how to act properly abroad for instance.


    Really? Give me a break. Kinda tough to read any of your points when you throw something in there that shows you have an unhealthy hatred of an entire country and it's people.


    c'mon man... how long have we been on these forums.. it was clearly a joke
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    dunkman wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Someone who wants to get a gun to carry our evil acts will bottom line, get it, one way or another. They care not about the law. There will be illegal guns available forever... the danger from crazies is here to stay.


    perhaps in your country that has some semblance of truth... but take for instance the Columbine kids... they used their mummys and daddys adult toys to do the shootings... if those spotty little fuckwits had lived in say, Glasgow, the murder capital of Europe and they had wanted to shoot up their school they would never ever have acquired the weapons... and i'll tell you why... weapons are in the hands of criminals here, and the last thing they would want is the police snooping around asking questions like "why did you sell 2 nerds from school a bag of guns?"

    also, as the Columbine kids were clearly nerdier than a chess convention if they had found a gun dealer in Glasgow the dealer would have just robbed them of the money they had to buy the guns in the first place.

    But these kids that shoot up places are on the fringes of society... the disenfranchised... they wouldnt have the first fucking clue where to acuire illegal guns... they could barely string a sentence together to speak to girls never mind approach a gang of black/asian/white guys on a rough end of town street corner to ask for a Glock.
    Again a post based on opinion, why don't you quit posting until find some facts about gun control.
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    I'd be afraid of people like the Tucson kid... or the guy from California who shot dead 5 people... or the VTech guy... all of whom acquired their guns legally.

    thats the fear... i'm more afraid that a mentalist wants to kill tens of people at random than i am of a man breaking into my house to steal my big tv.

    why do people want to own a gun? cos they themselves are filled with fear... your society perpetuates that fear with its showbiz style news, gang culture, shitty politics, etc... people are scared of everything over there... remember the Communist fear of the 50s??? pure fear based hugely on ignorance of the facts... that's almost got a lot of Americans summed up... they fear something they have no knowledge of... like Belgium or how to act properly abroad for instance.
    Dude, you have got to be the most ignorant poster I have ever debated with. You have yet to bring in a single fact about gun control, you are generalizing everybody that owns a gun, and seem to think that the US is the worst country because of this random incident where the guilty party was a crazy nut. Things like this will happen whether there are guns or not... If we had socialized healthcare would you put the blame on the healthcare system for not detecting this mans mental illness and reporting it... You keep throwing the word fear out there as a fucking opinion, not as fact since you are NOT A GUN OWNER. You need to shut the fuck up because you do know know why any of us own a gun. I am not afraid anybody is going to steal my TV, I have my gun for Home Protection, since life is not a guarentee I would rather have all my options covered to protect my family from anything. Keep on generalizing and being opinionated about american. When you can list some facts about gun control maybe people here will take you seriously.

    Attacking people for their opinions and calling them names is not debate. With respect you asked on an earlier post why people fear of your goverment as a bad thing - kind of hypocritical that you should focus on that.

    Not being a gun owner would seem like an amatuer reason for discounting someones take on a subject, especially in any debate - as you would see it.

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