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ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,723
edited January 2013 in A Moving Train
shooting after shooting
murder after murder
how many times a year
does someone walk into a gun store (or walmart)
buy guns
and we get front page news?
how many children, playing with daddy's gun
die from a bullet exploding through their skull and brain?
how do we allow this to continue?
is the 9 year old girl who was shot in tuscon saturday dead solely because guns are legal?
are we to be told, again, "guns don't kill people"?
do gun lovers change their views when they or their family are affected (shot)?
or do they just chalk it up to "that person should not have been allowed to own a gun"?
i hope congresswoman giffords and the other critically wounded victims all recover, but
right now, she has had a part of her skull placed in her abdomen until the swelling goes down
and i wonder if her strong support of gun rights will change
because the only thing any of the media is talking about is "the shooter must be crazy"
and not a thing about the gun and the bullets
same as it ever was
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  • acrossssSsssshitttacrossssSsssshittt Posts: 1,014
    well said
  • ztasty69ztasty69 Posts: 19
    how many people are killed in stabbings? with a kitchen knife? should they take away all kitchen knives? Guns don't kill people, people kill people...
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    ztasty69 wrote:
    how many people are killed in stabbings? with a kitchen knife? should they take away all kitchen knives? Guns don't kill people, people kill people...
    The difference is, hand guns are designed to kill people, kitchen knives, cars, baseball bats, are designed to serve other purposes.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Blame an object instead of focusing on the real issue. Brilliant.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    unsung wrote:
    Blame an object instead of focusing on the real issue. Brilliant.
    :thumbup: I'm with you on that.

    Godfather.
  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    Many objects are capable of causing fatal wounds
    Heck, your hands are capable of that
    But there is only one that I can think of that is designed specifically for critically wounding or killing
    The Gun...
    While I know that any deadly weapon in the hands of a stressed or unstable person
    Can be easily transformed into a killing machine
    I still think that access to guns legal or otherwise, being what it is in this country
    Plays a huge part in the ease with which a person is able to take another's life
    Guns allow for that act to be less intimate than say, strangling or stabbing
    Thus making it much easier to kill with a gun, or from a distance
    Than with a knife, from close in
    (yes i know how the congresswoman was shot, but others were shot, after the fact, as like, a side note, as in what the hell, i already shot her, why not just go for it. ..its a gun that makes all that "collateral damage" possible.)
    Just my opinion
    peace,
    jo

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    "How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
    "Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    keeponrockin wrote:
    ztasty69 wrote:
    how many people are killed in stabbings? with a kitchen knife? should they take away all kitchen knives? Guns don't kill people, people kill people...
    The difference is, hand guns are designed to kill people, kitchen knives, cars, baseball bats, are designed to serve other purposes.

    so are guns, and that does not matter anyway,just cause some fool kills with a gun dose not mean the good people should not own one "capital murder with a gun=death penalty"

    Godfather.
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    Hmmmmmmmmmm let's see.... America gun violence Vs any other Industrialized country is a landslide in the wrong direction

    But hey at least a bunch of hillbillies can go in the back of their trailerparks and shot cans with red white n blue bandanas while they pretend they are killing bad guys or they can join anti-government militias.

    People with guns have small penis'
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    How come we rarely hear about chicks shooting up crowds??? Anyone???
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Hmmmmmmmmmm let's see.... America gun violence Vs any other Industrialized country is a landslide in the wrong direction

    But hey at least a bunch of hillbillies can go in the back of their trailerparks and shot cans with red white n blue bandanas while they pretend they are killing bad guys or they can join anti-government militias.

    People with guns have small penis'

    are you checking gun owners for penis size ? your post is a great depiction of your own intelligence
    it would seem, you autta work on that gud buddy. ;)

    Godfather.
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsN0FCXw914
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  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    How come we rarely hear about chicks shooting up crowds??? Anyone???

    We're just not that stooooooooopid!
    peace,
    jo

    http://www.Etsy.com/Shop/SimpleEarthCreations
    "How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
    "Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,010
    unsung wrote:
    Blame an object instead of focusing on the real issue. Brilliant.

    Aren't you the one who always claims that if people were allowed to carry guns things like the Arizona shooting wouldn't happen? Well? Arizona allows concealed weapons so how does that philosophy hold up today?
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,224
    ed243421 wrote:
    shooting after shooting
    murder after murder
    how many times a year
    does someone walk into a gun store (or walmart)
    buy guns
    and we get front page news?
    how many children, playing with daddy's gun
    die from a bullet exploding through their skull and brain?
    how do we allow this to continue?
    is the 9 year old girl who was shot in tuscon saturday dead solely because guns are legal?
    are we to be told, again, "guns don't kill people"?
    do gun lovers change their views when they or their family are affected (shot)?
    or do they just chalk it up to "that person should not have been allowed to own a gun"?
    i hope congresswoman giffords and the other critically wounded victims all recover, but
    right now, she has had a part of her skull placed in her abdomen until the swelling goes down
    and i wonder if her strong support of gun rights will change
    because the only thing any of the media is talking about is "the shooter must be crazy"
    and not a thing about the gun and the bullets
    same as it ever was

    Same As It Ever Was....is right

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.
    Yes and no. If this guy in the AZ case had a knife, there's a good chance many of the victims there would still be alive. Same applies to the Columbine shootings. If it was a knife or a bat, there would be much less victims, as it's easier to subdue someone with a knife than with a gun.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    keeponrockin wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.
    Yes and no. If this guy in the AZ case had a knife, there's a good chance many of the victims there would still be alive. Same applies to the Columbine shootings. If it was a knife or a bat, there would be much less victims, as it's easier to subdue someone with a knife than with a gun.
    I think also it is the glorification of guns... Weak minds alike will band together with this notion that the use of guns makes you a 'gangsta' or something... As if being some gun-toting nut like Sarah Palin is anything to aspire to... I don't think anyone walks around with a letter opener and shouts 'thuglife' if ya know what i mean.
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    keeponrockin wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.
    Yes and no. If this guy in the AZ case had a knife, there's a good chance many of the victims there would still be alive. Same applies to the Columbine shootings. If it was a knife or a bat, there would be much less victims, as it's easier to subdue someone with a knife than with a gun.

    I agree
    For the most part...

    In my opinion, for what its worth
    These killers are cowards
    who find it so much easier to kill
    because they can hide behind a gun
    Even if they get up close
    who's going to mess with you when you're holding a gun to their head?
    I'm much more likely to try to fight off a guy with a knife than a guy with a gun
    It's much more likely that you'll be able to survive an attack with a knife or other weapon
    Guns are too often automatically deadly
    And they create fear in their victims
    A fear much more powerful than if they came wielding a baseball bat or a butcher knife
    Because, a gunshot is so awfully final
    Also,
    Guns allow people to kill from afar
    Without ever having to face their victims
    That even the strongest pro-guns of you cannot deny.
    Cowards hide behind guns
    And cowards kill people
    (Before you get all up in my face, I AM NOT calling all gun owners "cowards"
    I'm calling people who kill other people with guns, "cowards")
    peace,
    jo

    http://www.Etsy.com/Shop/SimpleEarthCreations
    "How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
    "Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,224
    haffajappa wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.
    Yes and no. If this guy in the AZ case had a knife, there's a good chance many of the victims there would still be alive. Same applies to the Columbine shootings. If it was a knife or a bat, there would be much less victims, as it's easier to subdue someone with a knife than with a gun.
    I think also it is the glorification of guns... Weak minds alike will band together with this notion that the use of guns makes you a 'gangsta' or something... As if being some gun-toting nut like Sarah Palin is anything to aspire to... I don't think anyone walks around with a letter opener and shouts 'thuglife' if ya know what i mean.


    See this is why I have NO PROBLEM with how that uncle handled his nephew acting like he was a gang member. I'd rather see him give him a whipping than seeing that youngster running around spraying bullets all because he's in a gang.

    peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • whgarrettwhgarrett Posts: 574
    I am a gun owner. I love them. I own the same kind of pistol as this jerk, and I have always thought those 30 round clips are absolutely absurd. I would say that they should be banned, but would that really stop anyone from finding them? It is a sad situation. I would suggest more expensive firearms but then only the rich would be able arm themselves. I would also suggest psychological profiling, but then we choose who is worthy to protect themselves depending on their perspective and world view. It's a slippery slope. Tragic as it is, life IS fragile. Something like 150,000 people die everyday. I like this article I read the other day about the mass deaths of animals lately and the news coverage they are getting. The author said we need to step back and look at the big picture. While we dwell on 5,000 birds that fell from the sky, there are thousands of species going extinct. While we fight about 6 people who have been senselessly murdered, there is genocide in Africa. Just rambling. :)
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Enjoy !
    :lol:
    http://www.politesociety.com/binladenliquors_ol10[1].swf

    Godfather.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    it'd be a fuckload easier if all the pathetic limp wristed gun owners just met up one sunny day in somewhere like Idaho or Iowa and just had a massive cockfight to the death... save us all the frustration and sadness of hearing of yet another maniac going on the rampage.


    and when will people get over the kitchen knife/baseball bat/hammers kill people argument???? it's the argumentative equivalent of a 4 year old retard saying "yellow" every time his carer asks him the colour of the sky.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    conspiracy theory # 524

    Brainwashed people committing mass murder :o
    for the prime intent of taking away our personal right to bear arms,
    to protect our selves, our children, our home and our country.

    Because there are crazy people, believing crazy and not so crazy things,
    or doing crazy things,
    does not mean
    those who are responsible should lose their rights.
    That is crazy.
  • eMMIeMMI Posts: 6,262
    Ultimately, the right to bear arms shouldn't be a right at all. :think:
    "Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.

    Good point, may aswell just make it easier for them. :roll:

    this is a non party affiliated message
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    i enjoy that 'rights' bullshit... its a right to bear arms... it's only a 'right' cos some wee man with a quill wrote it down on a bit of paper and declared it so... he might have been mentally insufficient to declare that a right... what if it had been a 'right' to 'fist a goat on a sunday' just because someone 300 years ago was into that kinda shit.

    stop living in the past america... rights are given and rights are taken away... i'd hate to live my life based on a 300 year old law made in a time when a gun probably was required due to the troubled times of that era... basically we should make it a right for any new fledging country to go around shooting each other... hey Bosnians.. write it down now!!! you have a right to flash 19 year old girls whenever the fuck you want!!!

    crazy times for a crazy country.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.

    worst spell of weather we've had for ages.

    anyway, it's quite difficult for a mentalist to kill 6 people including a 9 year old girl with a penknife... its much easier with a semi-automatic weapon...

    ironically thats the only semi men with guns can actually achieve.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    dunkman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.

    worst spell of weather we've had for ages.

    anyway, it's quite difficult for a mentalist to kill 6 people including a 9 year old girl with a penknife... its much easier with a semi-automatic weapon...

    ironically thats the only semi men with guns can actually achieve.

    I know it's early days and all that, but I don't care. I am nominating this for post of the year. Well played wordsmyth, well played.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    dunkman wrote:
    it'd be a fuckload easier if all the pathetic limp wristed gun owners just met up one sunny day in somewhere like Idaho or Iowa and just had a massive cockfight to the death... save us all the frustration and sadness of hearing of yet another maniac going on the rampage.


    and when will people get over the kitchen knife/baseball bat/hammers kill people argument???? it's the argumentative equivalent of a 4 year old retard saying "yellow" every time his carer asks him the colour of the sky.

    :lol: you can piss and moan about guns all you want...but they will NEVER go away.
    it might be a fuckload easier if limp wristed pathetic cry babies would just stop whining like a bunch of pre-teen spoiled brats who have zero understanding of the words freedom and rights..other than their right to snivel about issues they have ZERO understanding of, have a nice day. ;)

    Godfather.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    dunkman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.

    worst spell of weather we've had for ages.

    anyway, it's quite difficult for a mentalist to kill 6 people including a 9 year old girl with a penknife... its much easier with a semi-automatic weapon...

    ironically thats the only semi men with guns can actually achieve.
    Wow, strong argument... spelling, really?
    Gun control seeks to disarm the lawless through law. It doesn't really work in practice. Look at Vermont. Vermont is one of 3 states that allows concealed carry with no licensing system whatsoever. You can go into any gun shop and if you pass a background check you can carry concealed. They literally have the most lax gun control in the country. Yet their crime rate is tiny and their murder rate is near zero.

    There is no correlation between crime and availability of firearms through legal channels. Poverty seems to have far more effect on crime than things like gun control ever will. Enact harsher punishments for gun crime. Don't restrict us law abiding citizens. We aren't the problem.
    Swimming pools cause more deaths a year in children than guns do, by your logic we should ban swimming pools?
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