guns and bullets

JonnyPistachio

HeidiJam wrote:

dunkman wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

If somebody is going to kill someone they will do it regardless of weather there are guns or not. Some of you need to think logically instead of what your parties views are.

worst spell of weather we've had for ages.

anyway, it's quite difficult for a mentalist to kill 6 people including a 9 year old girl with a penknife... its much easier with a semi-automatic weapon...

ironically thats the only semi men with guns can actually achieve.

Wow, strong argument... spelling, really?
Gun control seeks to disarm the lawless through law. It doesn't really work in practice. Look at Vermont. Vermont is one of 3 states that allows concealed carry with no licensing system whatsoever. You can go into any gun shop and if you pass a background check you can carry concealed. They literally have the most lax gun control in the country. Yet their crime rate is tiny and their murder rate is near zero.

There is no correlation between crime and availability of firearms through legal channels. Poverty seems to have far more effect on crime than things like gun control ever will. Enact harsher punishments for gun crime. Don't restrict us law abiding citizens. We aren't the problem.
Swimming pools cause more deaths a year in children than guns do, by your logic we should ban swimming pools?

Vermont? I wasnt familiar with their gun laws, but I have to say that this isnt a great argument. Does Vermont have a gang problem? I guarantee you if their laws were enacted in south florida, where there is a rampant gang problem, that undoubtably there would be absolute chaos. The 37 people that live in Vermont never leave their houses in the winter either, of course their crime rates are lower .

Also, you are comparing accidental deaths due to inanimate objects to deaths with firearms... not a good comparison. but if you like that argument, then yes, we should ban swimming pools.

wolfamongwolves

HeidiJam wrote:

Well maybe look at the US stats on areas where there were tighter gun control/ laws and you will see that the gun crimes RISE... You people need to start using logic. If you take guns away from law abiding citizens then they have no way of protecting themselves. Criminals are not going to follow gun laws, well because they are criminals. There will always be a blackmarket for guns. Taking them away from everybody will only entice more gun crime beccause criminals will know citizens won't be armed. How hard is that to figure out.

Godfather. wrote:

Germany had gun control (or ban) before the second world war I think ? look at what happened to a people that had no way to protect them selfs.

Godfather.

I have never felt that I am in need of a gun to protect myself. Nor does anyone else I know. To be quite honest, I feel an awful lot safer without one, and knowing that just about everyone else is without one too. And if the US took a mature and responsible approach to gun ownership, instead of this "It's my right, and nothing and nobody else matters" nonsense, it could be just the same. How sad to be so insecure as to live in fear that there's someone about to kill you, and you have to be always ready to kill first!

eyedclaar

Do people not realize that most gun injuries and deaths occur from accidents or crimes of passion, committed by what has usually been a relatively sane individual (no criminal record)? Chances are, it won’t be this “criminal” out there that’s gonna come shoot you because you don’t have a gun to protect yourself. Chances are, you are going to accidently shoot yourself, or your neighbor for fuckin’ your wife, or your kid will find it unlocked and loaded, but the chances are fairly slim that you just get shot by some crazed criminal out there.

You can trust me, I’m a career criminal and I haven’t shot anyone…

dunkman

HeidiJam wrote:

dunkman wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Germany had gun control (or ban) before the second world war I think ? look at what happened to a people that had no way to protect them selfs.

Godfather.

totally fucking laughable... did you find the Moving Train by accident? did you think it was a forum for people who like to go travelling but couldnt drive due to a low IQ?

Your rebuttal is fucking laughable... You act as if guns committ all crimes. Violent people commit violent acts, why is it an issue of what weapon is used??? You have done nothing but voice your OPINION. You have stated no Facts and No Plan. You opinion is to take away all guns from people, Is that going to stop violence??? NO, it will cause more violence because criminals will always access to guns. So now you want a society where criminals have guns and citizens have, well nothing to protect themselves. Great Fucking Plan...

you're telling me what i want now? your proposals of what i want do not even go close to what I would propose.

1. all handguns would be banned.
2. anyone caught with a handgun would be jailed for 50 years
3. no store could sell skirts longer than 8 inches in length

dunkman

eyedclaar wrote:

Do people not realize that most gun injuries and deaths occur from accidents or crimes of passion, committed by what has usually been a relatively sane individual (no criminal record)? Chances are, it won’t be this “criminal” out there that’s gonna come shoot you because you don’t have a gun to protect yourself. Chances are, you are going to accidently shoot yourself, or your neighbor for fuckin’ your wife, or your kid will find it unlocked and loaded, but the chances are fairly slim that you just get shot by some crazed criminal out there.

You can trust me, I’m a career criminal and I haven’t shot anyone…

at last!!! some sanity from probably one of the more insane people on this board!

the pro-gunners like the idea that they can have guns to chase the bad men away... but as you point out, the accidental death of a loved one is more likely to happen.

eyedclaar

cincybearcat wrote:

dunkman wrote:

it'd be a fuckload easier if all the pathetic limp wristed gun owners just met up one sunny day in somewhere like Idaho or Iowa and just had a massive cockfight to the death... save us all the frustration and sadness of hearing of yet another maniac going on the rampage.


and when will people get over the kitchen knife/baseball bat/hammers kill people argument???? it's the argumentative equivalent of a 4 year old retard saying "yellow" every time his carer asks him the colour of the sky.

Why do you hate Idaho and Iowa?

Dunk and I have a long standing feud. He's mad because just one roadless wilderness in my state is bigger than all of Scotland. That, and my .44 is soooooooo big. Right ladies?

dunkman

cincybearcat wrote:

dunkman wrote:

it'd be a fuckload easier if all the pathetic limp wristed gun owners just met up one sunny day in somewhere like Idaho or Iowa and just had a massive cockfight to the death... save us all the frustration and sadness of hearing of yet another maniac going on the rampage.


and when will people get over the kitchen knife/baseball bat/hammers kill people argument???? it's the argumentative equivalent of a 4 year old retard saying "yellow" every time his carer asks him the colour of the sky.

Why do you hate Idaho and Iowa?

i was trying to think of insignificant states large enough to have a full scale battle on without anyone noticing all the retards driving around waving guns

sorry eyed

dunkman

eyedclaar wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

dunkman wrote:

it'd be a fuckload easier if all the pathetic limp wristed gun owners just met up one sunny day in somewhere like Idaho or Iowa and just had a massive cockfight to the death... save us all the frustration and sadness of hearing of yet another maniac going on the rampage.


and when will people get over the kitchen knife/baseball bat/hammers kill people argument???? it's the argumentative equivalent of a 4 year old retard saying "yellow" every time his carer asks him the colour of the sky.

Why do you hate Idaho and Iowa?

Dunk and I have a long standing feud. He's mad because just one roadless wilderness in my state is bigger than all of Scotland. That, and my .44 is soooooooo big. Right ladies?

meh, keep your .44... my castle has a cannon.

eyedclaar

dunkman wrote:

i was trying to think of insignificant states large enough to have a full scale battle on without anyone noticing all the retards driving around waving guns

sorry eyed

No offense taken. For a fureneer, you have a preety good grasp of Idaho dip shits. Make me so mad, I just wanna shoot every last one of 'em!

pandora

Our world is filled with evil,
on a small personal scale and a very large scale, corrupted governments.

What evil wants/needs to thrive, is power
It is what drives evil, gratifies, tempts, nourishes, sustains.

It drives men (and governments) to rape, steal, cheat, murder, oppress.
Money is power, power is money.

Having a group of people totally powerless and saying that is ok assumes our world is not evil,
that power deserves our trust. This is foolhardy and naive.

Protecting the right to bear arms protects our freedoms and
protects our basic right to protect ourselves against oppression and personal harm.

Wobbie

eyedclaar wrote:

No offense taken. For a fureneer, you have a preety good grasp of Idaho dip shits. Make me so mad, I just wanna shoot every last one of 'em!

I give wide berth to any car or truck I see with idaho plates. :?

JonnyPistachio

eyedclaar wrote:

Do people not realize that most gun injuries and deaths occur from accidents or crimes of passion, committed by what has usually been a relatively sane individual (no criminal record)? Chances are, it won’t be this “criminal” out there that’s gonna come shoot you because you don’t have a gun to protect yourself. Chances are, you are going to accidently shoot yourself, or your neighbor for fuckin’ your wife, or your kid will find it unlocked and loaded, but the chances are fairly slim that you just get shot by some crazed criminal out there.

You can trust me, I’m a career criminal and I haven’t shot anyone…

Great post.
Also, we are discussing this topic every time there is a mass shooting by some crazy whackjob. In the several biggest cases in recent history -- Az, Virginia, columbine, and many others, were the crazed gunmen EVER stopped by someone carrying their concealed weapon?

eyedclaar

pandora wrote:

Protecting the right to bear arms protects our freedoms and
protects our basic right to protect ourselves against oppression and personal harm.

Hmmm, well we've had our guns for a long time now and that hasn't stopped our own government from oppressing and harming our people, our country.

eyedclaar

dunkman wrote:

at last!!! some sanity from probably one of the more insane people on this board!

Hey, what the?

JonnyPistachio

CROJAM95 wrote:

How come we rarely hear about chicks shooting up crowds??? Anyone???

Great question too!
We need to make prostitution legal. Its a testosterone problem.

Blockhead

eyedclaar wrote:

Do people not realize that most gun injuries and deaths occur from accidents or crimes of passion, committed by what has usually been a relatively sane individual (no criminal record)? Chances are, it won’t be this “criminal” out there that’s gonna come shoot you because you don’t have a gun to protect yourself. Chances are, you are going to accidently shoot yourself, or your neighbor for fuckin’ your wife, or your kid will find it unlocked and loaded, but the chances are fairly slim that you just get shot by some crazed criminal out there.

You can trust me, I’m a career criminal and I haven’t shot anyone…

Please site your stats please. http://washingtonceasefire.org/resource ... statistics
How Are Victims Killed?

•Homicide: 11,624 / 39% of All Fatalities
•Suicide: 16,750 / 57% of All Fatalities
•Unintentional Death (Accidental): 649 / 2% of All Fatalities
How Are Victims Injured?

•Assault Injury: 43,592 / 68% of All Injuries
•Unsuccessful Suicide Attempt: 3,352 (may be incorrect -- actual number may be larger, see CDC website) / 5% of All Injuries
•Accidental Injury: 16,555 / 26% of All Injuries

eyedclaar

JonnyPistachio wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

How come we rarely hear about chicks shooting up crowds??? Anyone???

Great question too!
We need to make prostitution legal. Its a testosterone problem.

Well that, and the threat of a recoiling weapon breaking a fingernail is very real. Priorities people.

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Do people not realize that most gun injuries and deaths occur from accidents or crimes of passion, committed by what has usually been a relatively sane individual (no criminal record)? Chances are, it won’t be this “criminal” out there that’s gonna come shoot you because you don’t have a gun to protect yourself. Chances are, you are going to accidently shoot yourself, or your neighbor for fuckin’ your wife, or your kid will find it unlocked and loaded, but the chances are fairly slim that you just get shot by some crazed criminal out there.

You can trust me, I’m a career criminal and I haven’t shot anyone…

Great post.
Also, we are discussing this topic every time there is a mass shooting by some crazy whackjob. In the several biggest cases in recent history -- Az, Virginia, columbine, and many others, were the crazed gunmen EVER stopped by someone carrying their concealed weapon?

Aren't schools gun free zones? Not a very good example.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

dunkman are you from the USA ? if not then how could you possibly understand and if you are, that 300 year old piece of paper guaranteed our freedom...along with guns. so really.. run off and bitch about your own country or shut up. have a nice day.

Godfather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

eyedclaar

HeidiJam wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

Do people not realize that most gun injuries and deaths occur from accidents or crimes of passion, committed by what has usually been a relatively sane individual (no criminal record)? Chances are, it won’t be this “criminal” out there that’s gonna come shoot you because you don’t have a gun to protect yourself. Chances are, you are going to accidently shoot yourself, or your neighbor for fuckin’ your wife, or your kid will find it unlocked and loaded, but the chances are fairly slim that you just get shot by some crazed criminal out there.

You can trust me, I’m a career criminal and I haven’t shot anyone…

Please site your stats please. http://washingtonceasefire.org/resource ... statistics
How Are Victims Killed?

•Homicide: 11,624 / 39% of All Fatalities
•Suicide: 16,750 / 57% of All Fatalities
•Unintentional Death (Accidental): 649 / 2% of All Fatalities
How Are Victims Injured?

•Assault Injury: 43,592 / 68% of All Injuries
•Unsuccessful Suicide Attempt: 3,352 (may be incorrect -- actual number may be larger, see CDC website) / 5% of All Injuries
•Accidental Injury: 16,555 / 26% of All Injuries

First, I wasn't talking about intentional self-inflicted wounds as that is a different topic, but, you do realize that crimes of passion are still considered homicide if you murder someone, yes?