guns and bullets

lukin2006

dunkman wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

didn't mean to offend, no.......come to think of it we all might be misinformed, just what I was getting at is all that sets this country apart from others and the fact that you can voice your opinion on just about anything and not be executed or jailed for the rest of your life,we have the opportunity to educate our selfs and earn a good living and so on.

Godfather.

so what sets America apart from others is exactly the same as what every other Euro country, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc has also?

we can vice our opinions here in the UK with fear of jail or execution
we have the opportunity to educate ourselves in a University system older than your country.. and unlike the US its free
as for earn a good living... i think we do ok thanks.

Is it really free? Or do you just pay with it through your tax system?

dunkman

lukin2006 wrote:

dunkman wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

didn't mean to offend, no.......come to think of it we all might be misinformed, just what I was getting at is all that sets this country apart from others and the fact that you can voice your opinion on just about anything and not be executed or jailed for the rest of your life,we have the opportunity to educate our selfs and earn a good living and so on.

Godfather.

so what sets America apart from others is exactly the same as what every other Euro country, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc has also?

we can vice our opinions here in the UK with fear of jail or execution
we have the opportunity to educate ourselves in a University system older than your country.. and unlike the US its free
as for earn a good living... i think we do ok thanks.

Is it really free? Or do you just pay with it through your tax system?

its free to the students as they have not paid taxes.

its not free to me as taxes pay for it.

but to the kids leaving a school and going to a university having never worked then yes i'd say it was free.

nuffingman

dunkman wrote:

we can voice our opinions here in the UK with fear of jail or execution

Slight omission from the word "with" I think :shock:

dunkman wrote:

we have the opportunity to educate ourselves in a University system older than your country.. and unlike the US its free

No it's not. £3000 a year, soon to be up to £9000 per year. I think Scotland has a few different rules but that's another argument entirely.

Oh guns and bullets. Ban 'em

dunkman

nuffingman wrote:

dunkman wrote:

we can voice our opinions here in the UK without fear of jail or execution

Slight omission from the word "with" I think :shock:

dunkman wrote:

we have the opportunity to educate ourselves in a University system older than your country.. and unlike the US its free

No it's not. £3000 a year, soon to be up to £9000 per year. I think Scotland has a few different rules but that's another argument entirely.

Oh guns and bullets. Ban 'em

oops... without!!

ehhhh check my location dude... I was talking about Scotland's university system... i have no knowledge of Englands... Scotlands is free to people who are Scottish and live here. :thumbup:

lukin2006

dunkman wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

dunkman wrote:

so what sets America apart from others is exactly the same as what every other Euro country, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc has also?

we can vice our opinions here in the UK with fear of jail or execution
we have the opportunity to educate ourselves in a University system older than your country.. and unlike the US its free
as for earn a good living... i think we do ok thanks.

Is it really free? Or do you just pay with it through your tax system?

its free to the students as they have not paid taxes.

its not free to me as taxes pay for it.

but to the kids leaving a school and going to a university having never worked then yes i'd say it was free.

so when the kids leave school and start working and paying taxes, then they start paying it back, I would assume. Some questions, do they weed out the kids who do not deserve to be there, so they are not wasting tax $$$? How long can one attend before the state says no? Does the state pay for just a BA, Masters, Doctorate, etc.? What about those kids who are not qualified for University or would rather pursue a trade, is there a support system in place? Interesting, I knew many parts of the world upper education was, just don't know how it really works.

nuffingman

lukin2006 wrote:

so when the kids leave school and start working and paying taxes, then they start paying it back, I would assume. Some questions, do they weed out the kids who do not deserve to be there, so they are not wasting tax $$$? How long can one attend before the state says no? Does the state pay for just a BA, Masters, Doctorate, etc.? What about those kids who are not qualified for University or would rather pursue a trade, is there a support system in place? Interesting, I knew many parts of the world upper education was, just don't know how it really works.

Dunk is talking about Scotland. They get university free if they're Scottish, in England it's not free. I suppose the kids that don't complete work and fail miserably possibly get the boot but I'm not sure. Scottish kids don't pay back any of the costs, while English kids have to pay back student loans. It seems the kids that don't pursue a university education get no support. As for not qualifying for university there are so many dumbed down courses you'd have to be a dribbling moron not to get in nowadays.

This could be a thread on it's own and probably would be if this board was mainly from the UK.

satansbed

nuffingman wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

so when the kids leave school and start working and paying taxes, then they start paying it back, I would assume. Some questions, do they weed out the kids who do not deserve to be there, so they are not wasting tax $$$? How long can one attend before the state says no? Does the state pay for just a BA, Masters, Doctorate, etc.? What about those kids who are not qualified for University or would rather pursue a trade, is there a support system in place? Interesting, I knew many parts of the world upper education was, just don't know how it really works.

Dunk is talking about Scotland. They get university free if they're Scottish, in England it's not free. I suppose the kids that don't complete work and fail miserably possibly get the boot but I'm not sure. Scottish kids don't pay back any of the costs, while English kids have to pay back student loans. It seems the kids that don't pursue a university education get no support. As for not qualifying for university there are so many dumbed down courses you'd have to be a dribbling moron not to get in nowadays.

This could be a thread on it's own and probably would be if this board was mainly from the UK.

in ireland, you get free education, but if you fail and have to repeat the year you have to pay for the year you repeat,

phd and masters arent free

and you also have to pay a registration fee which is 2-3 grand a year

lukin2006

nuffingman wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

so when the kids leave school and start working and paying taxes, then they start paying it back, I would assume. Some questions, do they weed out the kids who do not deserve to be there, so they are not wasting tax $$$? How long can one attend before the state says no? Does the state pay for just a BA, Masters, Doctorate, etc.? What about those kids who are not qualified for University or would rather pursue a trade, is there a support system in place? Interesting, I knew many parts of the world upper education was, just don't know how it really works.

Dunk is talking about Scotland. They get university free if they're Scottish, in England it's not free. I suppose the kids that don't complete work and fail miserably possibly get the boot but I'm not sure. Scottish kids don't pay back any of the costs, while English kids have to pay back student loans. It seems the kids that don't pursue a university education get no support. As for not qualifying for university there are so many dumbed down courses you'd have to be a dribbling moron not to get in nowadays.

This could be a thread on it's own and probably would be if this board was mainly from the UK.

from 3000 Pounds to 9000 pounds, that's quite an increase.

chime

lukin2006 wrote:

nuffingman wrote:

Dunk is talking about Scotland. They get university free if they're Scottish, in England it's not free. I suppose the kids that don't complete work and fail miserably possibly get the boot but I'm not sure. Scottish kids don't pay back any of the costs, while English kids have to pay back student loans. It seems the kids that don't pursue a university education get no support. As for not qualifying for university there are so many dumbed down courses you'd have to be a dribbling moron not to get in nowadays.

This could be a thread on it's own and probably would be if this board was mainly from the UK.

from 3000 Pounds to 9000 pounds, that's quite an increase.

It is a big increase. Then again its not that long ago that it was completely free.. It's maximum £9000 pounds so not all universities will charge that much.

lukin2006

satansbed wrote:

nuffingman wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

so when the kids leave school and start working and paying taxes, then they start paying it back, I would assume. Some questions, do they weed out the kids who do not deserve to be there, so they are not wasting tax $$$? How long can one attend before the state says no? Does the state pay for just a BA, Masters, Doctorate, etc.? What about those kids who are not qualified for University or would rather pursue a trade, is there a support system in place? Interesting, I knew many parts of the world upper education was, just don't know how it really works.

Dunk is talking about Scotland. They get university free if they're Scottish, in England it's not free. I suppose the kids that don't complete work and fail miserably possibly get the boot but I'm not sure. Scottish kids don't pay back any of the costs, while English kids have to pay back student loans. It seems the kids that don't pursue a university education get no support. As for not qualifying for university there are so many dumbed down courses you'd have to be a dribbling moron not to get in nowadays.

This could be a thread on it's own and probably would be if this board was mainly from the UK.

in ireland, you get free education, but if you fail and have to repeat the year you have to pay for the year you repeat,

phd and masters arent free

and you also have to pay a registration fee which is 2-3 grand a year

Would not paying the registration really mean it's not free? What I mean is you still have to pay something. Where as in Scotland it sounds totally free till you start working and you pay taxes.

chime

lukin2006 wrote:

Would not paying the registration really mean it's not free? What I mean is you still have to pay something. Where as in Scotland it sounds totally free till you start working and you pay taxes.

I benefited from the Scottish system ... don't know how much it has changed since I went but ... my fees were paid, I got a grant for living expenses (based on how much my parents earned) and also had all my daily travel to and from university paid for as well as three trips home per year.

They also paid half my fees and a similar grant and travel package for my one year post graduate diploma. All of my study was done in England but as a Scottish student I still qualified

ed243421

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110131/us_nm/us_guns_sting

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110131/us_nm/us_guns_sting

I know a guy who did 3.5 of a 5 year bit for that same thing, the fed's don't mess around.


Godfather.

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110131/us_nm/us_guns_sting

I know a guy who did 3.5 of a 5 year bit for that same thing, the fed's don't mess around.


Godfather.

did this guy you know sell guns at a private show?

also, what do you mean "the feds don't mess around"

isn't it the feds that allow this

"Private gun show dealers are exempt from federal law requiring background checks of customers"

dunkman

ed243421 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110131/us_nm/us_guns_sting

I know a guy who did 3.5 of a 5 year bit for that same thing, the fed's don't mess around.


Godfather.

did this guy you know sell guns at a private show?

also, what do you mean "the feds don't mess around"

isn't it the feds that allow this

"Private gun show dealers are exempt from federal law requiring background checks of customers"

I think Godfather is referring to the section of the article where gun dealers are stilling selling to people who they know will not pass background checks.


specifically this part

But in the other two videos, the sales were illegal because the investigators told the vendors they probably would be unable to pass a background check. Under federal law, the vendors should have stopped the sales and did not, he said.

Instead, the dealers on the videos replied that background checks would not be necessary to buy the guns.

although i could be wrong.

ed243421

im confused, again

"Private gun show dealers are exempt from federal law requiring background checks of customers"

and

"But in the other two videos, the sales were illegal because the investigators told the vendors they probably would be unable to pass a background check. Under federal law, the vendors should have stopped the sales and did not, he said."

which one is it?

dunkman

i can only presume that you do not have to do background checks... but if the purchaser tells you that he wouldn't pass background checks then the vendor is legally obliged to not sell it knowing that the purchaser is not entitled to own one?

just guessing...

JonnyPistachio

Here is a perfect example where slightly stricter gun laws might have saved the lives of two teenagers:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/01/flo ... 1&iref=NS1

Schenecker had initially planned what she called the "massacre" -- killing the children and then herself, McElroy said on Monday -- for January 22, but she put it off after learning there would be a three-day check before she could buy a gun.

Police later found writings in the house, thought to be from Schenecker, in which she spelled out her intentions in detail.

"There are definitely indications that she planned this," McElroy said. "(The writing) was devoid of emotion."

Police opened, and then dropped, an investigation of physical abuse involving Schenecker against her teen daughter, closing the case weeks before the killings.

"Our belief was that she didn't snap -- she planned this," McElroy told HLN's Vinnie Politan on Monday.

In November, police opened a child abuse investigation into allegations Schenecker had abused Calyx, according to a report from the Tampa Police.

This crazy lady actually put off buying a gun (temporarily) because she found out she had to wait 3 days.
She seems like she was on the verge of getting in trouble with child services. If the waiting period to buy a gun was a month or two, maybe they would've figured out she was crazy in the meantime. if there was just an overlap in the authorities investigating her and the time it took to get a gun.. two kids might still be alive.

Godfather.

sometimes the good guys win.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/115842794.html

Godfather.

dunkman

if only this fuckwit had a gun... then he would have done better

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12556471