But come on... a pretty damn good effort compared to some of the other ones out there. When you don't have much to work with... you have to use whatever you can think of. I mean... how does one make their case given the amount of weight the other side of the issue carries?
But come on... a pretty damn good effort compared to some of the other ones out there. When you don't have much to work with... you have to use whatever you can think of. I mean... how does one make their case given the amount of weight the other side of the issue carries?
True. I've become quite used to people's tactic of making shit up, considering I've been debating the Israel-Palestine issue for a long time now. I mean, when they have no argument, the only obvious recourse is to spin a web of half-truths, obfuscations, and outright lies. It's quite an effective method, if only because it forces their opponents to do some research into the subject, and most people just can't be bothered.
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A ban of brass and lead? Yeah, not going to happen.
Right we have let this issue get so far out of hand it is not going to be a quick fix. Like illegal immigration. The failure to tackle the tough issues only makes them tougher, but at least someone else will have to deal with it.
and for the ammo that IS out there, it'll become like gold or something. Think anyone is gonna let there percious bullets escape?
You do realize that I can make whatever round that I want very easily?[/quote]
it could be argued that these folks are responsible gun owners. Gov could still regulate/restrict the sale of these items as well.
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this is an article talking about a town in texas that allows teachers to carry conceal on campus. and just about the topic in general. a pretty good read.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Are they not talking about banning Assault rifles and high capacity magazines.......
and people do speed through school zones.....I am sure the amount of people that speed through school zones are much higher than the number of crazy's that go out and shoot innocent people......
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I am sure the amount of people that speed through school zones are much higher than the number of crazy's that go out and shoot innocent people......
So as far as you're concerned, there's no problem then? School massacres are just a part of life, like traffic accidents, and cutting yourself shaving in the morning?
I almost admire your tenacity and persistence. I mean, it must be a constant struggle of Phillip K. Dick proportions trying to reconcile Fox News and debbieschlussel.com with the real World. I wonder which one will crack first?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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Obama did not shed a single fake tear for these victims.
the difference is they weren't all slaughtered in one building at the same time. gimme a break.
so you think that his reaction was fake? I'm a father of two young girls. I shed tears over this. were mine fake too?
Same here, Hugh. My tears were real as well. It's a proper and normal response to such a tragedy. I would never suppose someone's weren't. To say so otherwise is.... nnnn- bite my tongue.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Who cares about Chicago's strict gun control laws? What does that have to do with anything? With no uniform gun laws for the entire country... it's not that hard to take a little drive to an easier location to obtain the gun you want, when you want it, and only be slightly inconvenianced.
Your country has a very unique and unparalleled problem: 10,000 deaths per year by gun.
Most by far.
Your country has the most guns per capita than any other country: 89 per 100 people.
Most by far.
Every country has bad guys, mental illness, and video games.
Who cares about Chicago's strict gun control laws? What does that have to do with anything? With no uniform gun laws for the entire country... it's not that hard to take a little drive to an easier location to obtain the gun you want, when you want it, and only be slightly inconvenianced.
Your country has a very unique and unparalleled problem: 10,000 deaths per year by gun.
Most by far.
Your country has the most guns per capita than any other country: 89 per 100 people.
Most by far.
Every country has bad guys, mental illness, and video games.
It's a wonder nobody wants to come live here. I have no idea what we will do when we have too few people to run the machines.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Armed firefighters? Armed neighbours come out of their houses with their assault rifles and provide cover for the firefighters to put the fire out? Then... everybody scurry back into their homes?
Geez, man. To argue against gun control has got to be one of the most asinine positions a person could take- it's almost 'cult like'... to be so obtuse to the reality of the now.
Take some responsibility: get the fuking guns off the streets. You won't get them all right away- I'll concede that; but by eliminating ammunition sales... you can curb much of the anticipated (slightly paranoid) problems in the short term.
In 20 years though... when the well has dried up... your kids will be able to send their kids to school with much less fear in everyone's hearts and firefighters can respond to a scene and not get shot doing so.
Americans have become wimps when it comes to being responsibility for there own safety. If there were more gun owners it would deter the use of guns ....
Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive......
If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)
Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Americans have become wimps when it comes to being responsibility for there own safety. If there were more gun owners it would deter the use of guns ....
Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive......
If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)
Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.
Have you read this study? It is flawed by making comparisons between a stable US and other countries while they are in a state of change.
For example, murder rate comparisons were made between the US and post Cold War Russia. I think it's fair to suggest that getting accurate statistics for gun ownership in Russia might be difficult to attain- skewing any data that might be produced. Further... comparing a country that is stable to one that has recently collapsed and seeking to regain stability might not produce telling statistics with much accuracy (if any at all).
'Generalized' violence rates were also made between the US and UK. Comparisons were made to each country's response to such violence- with the UK banning handguns and other rifles in the 90s and the US remaining status quo. The study states: England’s response was ever‐more drastic gun control including, eventually, banning and confiscating all handguns and many types of long guns.Nevertheless, criminal violence rampantly increased so that by 2000 England surpassed the United States to become one of the developed world’s most violence‐ridden nations.
The study didn't offer any data to support this questionable claim (that I saw), however what can be said at this point in time is that by allowing the UK's plan to take effect... the country has seen a dramatic reversal of the study's assertion:
Recent data yields a firearm related homicide rate of 0.07 per 100,000 people in the UK... while the US sees 2.97 per 100,000 people.
In short, even if the study was accurate in describing the UK as one of the world's most violence-ridden nations... it is clear that once the weapons have had a chance to disappear... the same could not be said anymore.
Americans have become wimps when it comes to being responsibility for there own safety. If there were more gun owners it would deter the use of guns ....
Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive......
If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)
Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.
Have you read this study? It is flawed by making comparisons between a stable US and other countries while they are in a state of change.
For example, murder rate comparisons were made between the US and post Cold War Russia. I think it's fair to suggest that getting accurate statistics for gun ownership in Russia might be difficult to attain- skewing any data that might be produced. Further... comparing a country that is stable to one that has recently collapsed and seeking to regain stability might not produce telling statistics with much accuracy (if any at all).
'Generalized' violence rates were also made between the US and UK. Comparisons were made to each country's response to such violence- with the UK banning handguns and other rifles in the 90s and the US remaining status quo. The study states: England’s response was ever‐more drastic gun control including, eventually, banning and confiscating all handguns and many types of long guns.Nevertheless, criminal violence rampantly increased so that by 2000 England surpassed the United States to become one of the developed world’s most violence‐ridden nations.
The study didn't offer any data to support this questionable claim (that I saw), however what can be said at this point in time is that by allowing the UK's plan to take effect... the country has seen a dramatic reversal of the study's assertion:
Recent data yields a firearm related homicide rate of 0.07 per 100,000 people in the UK... while the US sees 2.97 per 100,000 people.
In short, even if the study was accurate in describing the UK as one of the world's most violence-ridden nations... it is clear that once the weapons have had a chance to disappear... the same could not be said anymore.
I do agree that getting accurate statistics for gun ownership anywhere is impossible since illegal gun owners will not volunteer the fact they own a gun....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Americans have become wimps when it comes to being responsibility for there own safety. If there were more gun owners it would deter the use of guns ....
Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive......
If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)
Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.
Obama did not shed a single fake tear for these victims.
the difference is they weren't all slaughtered in one building at the same time. gimme a break.
so you think that his reaction was fake? I'm a father of two young girls. I shed tears over this. were mine fake too?
Obama being a liar does not make everyone a liar. Nor does his fake tears make everyone Fake.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Hmmmmmmmmmm let's see.... America gun violence Vs any other Industrialized country is a landslide in the wrong direction
But hey at least a bunch of hillbillies can go in the back of their trailerparks and shot cans with red white n blue bandanas while they pretend they are killing bad guys or they can join anti-government militias.
People with guns have small penis'
Hmmm i bet those Japanese guys have alot of guns then! LOL
Theres no time like the present
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All people need to do more on every level!
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Yeah aerial you are absolutely right it's amazing what a little pepper on the fingers can produce. Insert smiley thing... :roll:
Peace
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
In a country with 320 million people, if we have a school shooting every 4 years or so, a mass murder every year or so, thats not that bad!
If you compare populations, America isnt much worse than any other free country!
Compare to England, Austrailia, France, Germany, Japan, China, Russia, etc.
Also, counties with tough gun restrictions have the most murders! Fact
Yeah, it's not that bad when YOUR kids aren't involved is a very easy thing to say. Let your child get gun down Newtown style and let's see if you still feel the same.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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so is driving 200 mph in a school zone. I'd say that is working out quite well.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
But come on... a pretty damn good effort compared to some of the other ones out there. When you don't have much to work with... you have to use whatever you can think of. I mean... how does one make their case given the amount of weight the other side of the issue carries?
True. I've become quite used to people's tactic of making shit up, considering I've been debating the Israel-Palestine issue for a long time now. I mean, when they have no argument, the only obvious recourse is to spin a web of half-truths, obfuscations, and outright lies. It's quite an effective method, if only because it forces their opponents to do some research into the subject, and most people just can't be bothered.
You do realize that I can make whatever round that I want very easily?
I thought about this... I know plenty of people that do their own reloading.
I guess they would have to ban the materials at this point, which I can't see being possible.
Right we have let this issue get so far out of hand it is not going to be a quick fix. Like illegal immigration. The failure to tackle the tough issues only makes them tougher, but at least someone else will have to deal with it.
You do realize that I can make whatever round that I want very easily?[/quote]
it could be argued that these folks are responsible gun owners. Gov could still regulate/restrict the sale of these items as well.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
this is an article talking about a town in texas that allows teachers to carry conceal on campus. and just about the topic in general. a pretty good read.
Are they not talking about banning Assault rifles and high capacity magazines.......
and people do speed through school zones.....I am sure the amount of people that speed through school zones are much higher than the number of crazy's that go out and shoot innocent people......
Yeah, I can imagine why that would be a huge inconvenience for you.
So as far as you're concerned, there's no problem then? School massacres are just a part of life, like traffic accidents, and cutting yourself shaving in the morning?
I almost admire your tenacity and persistence. I mean, it must be a constant struggle of Phillip K. Dick proportions trying to reconcile Fox News and debbieschlussel.com with the real World. I wonder which one will crack first?
Chicago has the strictest gun control in the nation! It is a total bloodbath of criminals with illegal guns slaughtering people.
62 school aged children were killed in Chicago this year alone. Obama did not shed a single fake tear for these victims.
http://crimeinchicago.blogspot.com/2012/12/connecticut-doesnt-have-shit-on-chicago.html
the difference is they weren't all slaughtered in one building at the same time. gimme a break.
so you think that his reaction was fake? I'm a father of two young girls. I shed tears over this. were mine fake too?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Same here, Hugh. My tears were real as well. It's a proper and normal response to such a tragedy. I would never suppose someone's weren't. To say so otherwise is.... nnnn- bite my tongue.
Who cares about Chicago's strict gun control laws? What does that have to do with anything? With no uniform gun laws for the entire country... it's not that hard to take a little drive to an easier location to obtain the gun you want, when you want it, and only be slightly inconvenianced.
Your country has a very unique and unparalleled problem: 10,000 deaths per year by gun.
Most by far.
Your country has the most guns per capita than any other country: 89 per 100 people.
Most by far.
Every country has bad guys, mental illness, and video games.
It's a wonder nobody wants to come live here. I have no idea what we will do when we have too few people to run the machines.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... e#comments
Armed firefighters? Armed neighbours come out of their houses with their assault rifles and provide cover for the firefighters to put the fire out? Then... everybody scurry back into their homes?
Geez, man. To argue against gun control has got to be one of the most asinine positions a person could take- it's almost 'cult like'... to be so obtuse to the reality of the now.
Take some responsibility: get the fuking guns off the streets. You won't get them all right away- I'll concede that; but by eliminating ammunition sales... you can curb much of the anticipated (slightly paranoid) problems in the short term.
In 20 years though... when the well has dried up... your kids will be able to send their kids to school with much less fear in everyone's hearts and firefighters can respond to a scene and not get shot doing so.
Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive......
If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)
Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.
http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
Have you read this study? It is flawed by making comparisons between a stable US and other countries while they are in a state of change.
For example, murder rate comparisons were made between the US and post Cold War Russia. I think it's fair to suggest that getting accurate statistics for gun ownership in Russia might be difficult to attain- skewing any data that might be produced. Further... comparing a country that is stable to one that has recently collapsed and seeking to regain stability might not produce telling statistics with much accuracy (if any at all).
'Generalized' violence rates were also made between the US and UK. Comparisons were made to each country's response to such violence- with the UK banning handguns and other rifles in the 90s and the US remaining status quo. The study states:
England’s response was ever‐more drastic gun control including, eventually, banning and confiscating all handguns and many types of long guns.Nevertheless, criminal violence rampantly increased so that by 2000 England surpassed the United States to become one of the developed world’s most violence‐ridden nations.
The study didn't offer any data to support this questionable claim (that I saw), however what can be said at this point in time is that by allowing the UK's plan to take effect... the country has seen a dramatic reversal of the study's assertion:
Recent data yields a firearm related homicide rate of 0.07 per 100,000 people in the UK... while the US sees 2.97 per 100,000 people.
In short, even if the study was accurate in describing the UK as one of the world's most violence-ridden nations... it is clear that once the weapons have had a chance to disappear... the same could not be said anymore.
I do agree that getting accurate statistics for gun ownership anywhere is impossible since illegal gun owners will not volunteer the fact they own a gun....
no one has ever stated that the number of guns is the ONLY problem. but it certainly doesn't help.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Obama being a liar does not make everyone a liar. Nor does his fake tears make everyone Fake.
Hmmm i bet those Japanese guys have alot of guns then! LOL
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If you compare populations, America isnt much worse than any other free country!
Compare to England, Austrailia, France, Germany, Japan, China, Russia, etc.
Also, counties with tough gun restrictions have the most murders! Fact
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate
If I am not mistaken 10.2 per 100,000 is more than .25 per 100,000, no?
Yeah, it's not that bad when YOUR kids aren't involved is a very easy thing to say. Let your child get gun down Newtown style and let's see if you still feel the same.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)