everybody sucks

Cosmo

Paul David wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

And... don't flick the butt or empty your ashtray in the parking lot... that's what the trash can at your house is for.

funny story about that.........there was a car of 3 guys parked outside my father-in-law's house. The dude in the backseat opened the car door and proceeded to dump the car ashtray all over the curb and his lawn. My father in law, priceless, went up to the car, scooped a bunch of it up with a tiny gardening shovel, opened the door and dumped it back in the car!

The guys did nothing.

...
I know a couple of smokers that won't smoke in their cars because they don't want their cars to smell like smoke.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I used to be one of those smokers that didn't smoke in his car. Or his house.

Cosmo wrote:

Paul David wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

And... don't flick the butt or empty your ashtray in the parking lot... that's what the trash can at your house is for.

funny story about that.........there was a car of 3 guys parked outside my father-in-law's house. The dude in the backseat opened the car door and proceeded to dump the car ashtray all over the curb and his lawn. My father in law, priceless, went up to the car, scooped a bunch of it up with a tiny gardening shovel, opened the door and dumped it back in the car!

The guys did nothing.

...
I know a couple of smokers that won't smoke in their cars because they don't want their cars to smell like smoke.

_

Cosmo wrote:

I SMOKE. Still, i show some consideration to those who do not.

Thank you for showing consideration. And thank you for your voice of reason. It's really not about smoking at all; it's about consideration (and rights, I guess). I have a problem with inconsideration of any kind and with anyone forcing others to suffer the consequences of their behaviors (or beliefs).

_

pandora wrote:

Just going to post a big SORRY
sorry I upset you so scb....Truly.

Thank you.

pandora wrote:

I don't want you to confuse being caring with condescending
so I better leave it at that and not try to win any approval from you.

I do hope your loss of affection for me is not due to the fact we disagree.

It's not.

pandora wrote:

I know you are a bigger person than that but wonder how you could allow that to be the result.

But for the record, I don't believe you ever mentioned your loved one of concern was your twin,
I assumed it was your Mother.
Huge difference, I do understand Twin relationships as my sisters are twins
and I understand sister relationships.
The relationship entirely different than that with your Mother.

I have other family members and loved ones who smoke as well, but she was the person I primarily had in mind.

I didn't want to mention that it was my twin because there are people on this board who know her, so I try to be vague when talking about her and her business.

I tend to get upset any time I feel like people are butting in to our relationship, so it's not just you.

pandora wrote:

Either case I don't know if you got my drift on it all anyways.

I think I did, because I don't think you said anything I don't already know or haven't experienced in one form or another.

pandora wrote:

As I said I do know what it is like to lose a sister to addiction, smoke and drink
and the lesson I have taken from that is we make our own mistakes and
should be loved in spite of them. Which we agree on...yes?

Of course. I know that we make our own mistakes and I love people no matter what, which is why I take offense to your assumption that I don't. And, more than anyone I know, I stand by people throughout all their bad habits and the consequences of those habits for the person and for those of us who love them, including horrible deaths. But I think I have a right and sometimes even an obligation to the people I love to share my views with them, especially when their behavior is harmful to themselves or others (including myself).

pandora wrote:

My mind is not closed to the subject and my heart is wide open.
I will continue to fight for the right of the smokers to smoke in designated public areas
as I feel this a fair compromise.

I want to add..as far as treating you like a child
I don't know about Jean but perhaps it is a similar thing,
I am just about 55 years old
you are my children's age
sorry that might sneak out at times. I apologize if that is wrong.
I have an 30 extra years of life's lessons to share but they may be unwanted.
I find that the case with my own children at times.

I can understand that and I know I'm guilty of doing the same thing sometimes. (I guess what goes around comes around, huh?)

Jeanwah

scb wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

scb wrote:

Well thanks for your good intentions. Presuming that someone needs your advice about how to interact with their own family members when you have absolutely no understanding of the nature of their relationship is pretty fucking condescending though. So is talking to them like they have no experience with or understanding of addiction.

Then don't talk about your family problems if you want us all out of your business. Try to have a good day, ok?

Haha... I don't have any family problems. I certainly wasn't talking about any family problems. I merely mentioned that I never give anyone shit for smoking except my sister. Then I started getting all this condescending, unsolicited "advice" about how to interact with her.

Take it as you will scb, but I already told you I was TRYING to be helpful.

_

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Times are changing because we are becoming more educated and health conscious. I don't know how accurate these are, but I've heard trends like these that are comparable:

http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Health/Tr ... -race.html

Thanks - that's really interesting. I especially found this part to be important: "While the numbers of people smoking decreased across groups from all educational levels, the less educated stopped smoking five times more slowly than those at higher education levels."

_

Jeanwah wrote:

scb wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Then don't talk about your family problems if you want us all out of your business. Try to have a good day, ok?

Haha... I don't have any family problems. I certainly wasn't talking about any family problems. I merely mentioned that I never give anyone shit for smoking except my sister. Then I started getting all this condescending, unsolicited "advice" about how to interact with her.

Take it as you will scb, but I already told you I was TRYING to be helpful.

Thanks.

MG79478

I've just noticed this, do you write every post like it is a song? It's quite an unusual style, with new lines just randomly starting. Or is it like your iPhone that does that?

pandora wrote:

Just going to post a big SORRY
sorry I upset you so scb....Truly.
I don't want you to confuse being caring with condescending
so I better leave it at that and not try to win any approval from you.

I do hope your loss of affection for me is not due to the fact we disagree.
I know you are a bigger person than that but wonder how you could allow that to be the result.

But for the record, I don't believe you ever mentioned your loved one of concern was your twin,
I assumed it was your Mother.
Huge difference, I do understand Twin relationships as my sisters are twins
and I understand sister relationships.
The relationship entirely different than that with your Mother.
Either case I don't know if you got my drift on it all anyways.

As I said I do know what it is like to lose a sister to addiction, smoke and drink
and the lesson I have taken from that is we make our own mistakes and
should be loved in spite of them. Which we agree on...yes?

My mind is not closed to the subject and my heart is wide open.
I will continue to fight for the right of the smokers to smoke in designated public areas
as I feel this a fair compromise.

I want to add..as far as treating you like a child
I don't know about Jean but perhaps it is a similar thing,
I am just about 55 years old
you are my children's age
sorry that might sneak out at times. I apologize if that is wrong.
I have an 30 extra years of life's lessons to share but they may be unwanted.
I find that the case with my own children at times.

cincybearcat

Godfather. wrote:

we had a out-door smoking area out near the back of the plant so for the most part nobody else needed to go there.

let me ask you something...lets say I am far away from anybody and having a cig, along comes joe blow and wants to talk to me should I A. put out my cig to see what he want's..or B. joe blow can wait till I'm finished smoking to talk me. ? guess what happens..I choose plan B. if joe blow sees me smoking and don't want second hand smoke he should do his best to wait for me or stay away from me..pretty simple right ?

you guys are blowing this stuff way out of proportion,you make sound like smokers are out to kill the world
with 2nd hand smoke and we have no rights at all, just stay away from smokers it's simple.

Godfather.

1) Depends...you talking about being at work and Joe blow needing to talk to you about work? Well, unless you have an official "break time", then yes, put it out. If on official "break time", then no.

"You guys" who are you referring to?

My only point was that your employer has every right to limit how, when, or where you smoke (if at all) on their property.

MG79478

Paul David wrote:

But I also thinks it's sad when they tell me they can't afford a necessity in life, or even a luxury for their children (like sports), yet they have a $400 a month smoking habit. Hello, priorities?

This is a entirely different but major problem with America. The same people spending $400 a month of cigarrettes, and have a flat screen TV with cable, also receive welfare. I don't know what ever happend to priorities and sacrifice. The way I was raised, the necessities of life, and saving for the future, came before luxeries and bad habits. And you don't spend what you don't have. It's really a culture crisis!

Jeanwah wrote:

Yet, the mass majority of the population were the smokers up until the last ten or so years. Everyone smoked (except me, I actually tried to like smoking, didn't work). And the popular thing to do was smoke in the 40s through the 70s. Where was the uproar then? Oh,yeah...they were the ones smoking.

Actually, even in the 40s, the majority of the people didn't smoke. That rate has generally declined since then. So obviously the majority were not smokers up until ten years ago either.

Godfather.

cincybearcat wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

we had a out-door smoking area out near the back of the plant so for the most part nobody else needed to go there.

let me ask you something...lets say I am far away from anybody and having a cig, along comes joe blow and wants to talk to me should I A. put out my cig to see what he want's..or B. joe blow can wait till I'm finished smoking to talk me. ? guess what happens..I choose plan B. if joe blow sees me smoking and don't want second hand smoke he should do his best to wait for me or stay away from me..pretty simple right ?

you guys are blowing this stuff way out of proportion,you make sound like smokers are out to kill the world
with 2nd hand smoke and we have no rights at all, just stay away from smokers it's simple.

Godfather.

1) Depends...you talking about being at work and Joe blow needing to talk to you about work? Well, unless you have an official "break time", then yes, put it out. If on official "break time", then no.

"You guys" who are you referring to?

My only point was that your employer has every right to limit how, when, or where you smoke (if at all) on their property.

........ :roll: ..yes your right about that and I agree.
but I am growing weary of all this "my rights..your rights" bullshit,if one persons rights are infringed on by another persons rights who is right ?...... :crazy: reminds me a pool sign my friends had at their pool when I was a kid.."I won't swim in your toilet if you don't pee in my pool"

sorry I misunderstood you.

Godfather.

pandora

MG79478 wrote:

I've just noticed this, do you write every post like it is a song? It's quite an unusual style, with new lines just randomly starting. Or is it like your iPhone that does that?

pandora wrote:

Just going to post a big SORRY
sorry I upset you so scb....Truly.
I don't want you to confuse being caring with condescending
so I better leave it at that and not try to win any approval from you.

I do hope your loss of affection for me is not due to the fact we disagree.
I know you are a bigger person than that but wonder how you could allow that to be the result.

But for the record, I don't believe you ever mentioned your loved one of concern was your twin,
I assumed it was your Mother.
Huge difference, I do understand Twin relationships as my sisters are twins
and I understand sister relationships.
The relationship entirely different than that with your Mother.
Either case I don't know if you got my drift on it all anyways.

As I said I do know what it is like to lose a sister to addiction, smoke and drink
and the lesson I have taken from that is we make our own mistakes and
should be loved in spite of them. Which we agree on...yes?

My mind is not closed to the subject and my heart is wide open.
I will continue to fight for the right of the smokers to smoke in designated public areas
as I feel this a fair compromise.

I want to add..as far as treating you like a child
I don't know about Jean but perhaps it is a similar thing,
I am just about 55 years old
you are my children's age
sorry that might sneak out at times. I apologize if that is wrong.
I have an 30 extra years of life's lessons to share but they may be unwanted.
I find that the case with my own children at times.

Iphone?...I wouldn't know what to do with it techno impaired here
Actually I think that's my thoughts and they are pretty random as you've experienced!
hey
or
maybe I want to grow up to be something different
like a poet
and I'll write
all I know it!

:?

Godfather.

pandora wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

I've just noticed this, do you write every post like it is a song? It's quite an unusual style, with new lines just randomly starting. Or is it like your iPhone that does that?

pandora wrote:

Just going to post a big SORRY
sorry I upset you so scb....Truly.
I don't want you to confuse being caring with condescending
so I better leave it at that and not try to win any approval from you.

I do hope your loss of affection for me is not due to the fact we disagree.
I know you are a bigger person than that but wonder how you could allow that to be the result.

But for the record, I don't believe you ever mentioned your loved one of concern was your twin,
I assumed it was your Mother.
Huge difference, I do understand Twin relationships as my sisters are twins
and I understand sister relationships.
The relationship entirely different than that with your Mother.
Either case I don't know if you got my drift on it all anyways.

As I said I do know what it is like to lose a sister to addiction, smoke and drink
and the lesson I have taken from that is we make our own mistakes and
should be loved in spite of them. Which we agree on...yes?

My mind is not closed to the subject and my heart is wide open.
I will continue to fight for the right of the smokers to smoke in designated public areas
as I feel this a fair compromise.

I want to add..as far as treating you like a child
I don't know about Jean but perhaps it is a similar thing,
I am just about 55 years old
you are my children's age
sorry that might sneak out at times. I apologize if that is wrong.
I have an 30 extra years of life's lessons to share but they may be unwanted.
I find that the case with my own children at times.

Iphone?...I wouldn't know what to do with it techno impaired here
Actually I think that's my thoughts and they are pretty random as you've experienced!
hey
or
maybe I want to grow up to be something different
like a poet
and I'll write
all I know it!

:?

a dream come true Pandi.

Godfather.

pandora

Godfather. wrote:

pandora wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

I've just noticed this, do you write every post like it is a song? It's quite an unusual style, with new lines just randomly starting. Or is it like your iPhone that does that?


Iphone?...I wouldn't know what to do with it techno impaired here
Actually I think that's my thoughts and they are pretty random as you've experienced!
hey
or
maybe I want to grow up to be something different
like a poet
and I'll write
all I know it!

:?

a dream come true Pandi.

Godfather.

from the master of putting thought and word together
in beautiful form
to move the heart
and bless the soul

_

MG79478 wrote:

Paul David wrote:

But I also thinks it's sad when they tell me they can't afford a necessity in life, or even a luxury for their children (like sports), yet they have a $400 a month smoking habit. Hello, priorities?

This is a entirely different but major problem with America. The same people spending $400 a month of cigarrettes, and have a flat screen TV with cable, also receive welfare. I don't know what ever happend to priorities and sacrifice. The way I was raised, the necessities of life, and saving for the future, came before luxeries and bad habits. And you don't spend what you don't have. It's really a culture crisis!

Jeanwah wrote:

Yet, the mass majority of the population were the smokers up until the last ten or so years. Everyone smoked (except me, I actually tried to like smoking, didn't work). And the popular thing to do was smoke in the 40s through the 70s. Where was the uproar then? Oh,yeah...they were the ones smoking.

Actually, even in the 40s, the majority of the people didn't smoke. That rate has generally declined since then. So obviously the majority were not smokers up until ten years ago either.

I just overheard the conversation of a couple of public health scientists in my office. One of them was saying it was the Nazis who discovered that smoking is bad for you - back in the '30s. He said that after learning the results of the research, Hitler stopped smoking and wouldn't allow anyone to smoke in his presence. So I guess some people knew of the effects of second-hand smoke as far back as the '30s.

stipe19

Paul David wrote:

so because "everybody sucks" that means you should too??

great attitude!!

stipe19 wrote:

smoke bothers me." Yes that is a true story. And that is why EVERYBODY SUCKS

I ran out of space and had to continue what i was saying in another post. Read the post on top of that one line.

Jeanwah

scb wrote:

I just overheard the conversation of a couple of public health scientists in my office. One of them was saying it was the Nazis who discovered that smoking is bad for you - back in the '30s. He said that after learning the results of the research, Hitler stopped smoking and wouldn't allow anyone to smoke in his presence. So I guess some people knew of the effects of second-hand smoke as far back as the '30s.

I thought I heard that cigarettes are not what they used to be and are much more potent (and hazardous to our health) today than what they were years ago. Just what I've heard, I don't know for sure.

_

Jeanwah wrote:

scb wrote:

I just overheard the conversation of a couple of public health scientists in my office. One of them was saying it was the Nazis who discovered that smoking is bad for you - back in the '30s. He said that after learning the results of the research, Hitler stopped smoking and wouldn't allow anyone to smoke in his presence. So I guess some people knew of the effects of second-hand smoke as far back as the '30s.

I thought I heard that cigarettes are not what they used to be and are much more potent (and hazardous to our health) today than what they were years ago. Just what I've heard, I don't know for sure.

I would have thought the opposite, but I don't really know. Have they always had filters on them (the manufactured ones, I mean)?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I did. I said that in response to both posts.

stipe19 wrote:

Paul David wrote:

so because "everybody sucks" that means you should too??

great attitude!!

stipe19 wrote:

smoke bothers me." Yes that is a true story. And that is why EVERYBODY SUCKS

I ran out of space and had to continue what i was saying in another post. Read the post on top of that one line.

haffajappa

Jeanwah wrote:

Wow, scb, you sound angry.

I just want to point out that as bad as cigarettes are for people in general, no one can make another person quit. It's got to come from within the smoker to decide what they want to do. Think about that with your sister. I know that if someone hated my bad habits, it would not make me stop them. I've got to want to quit for me for anything to happen. Give up that need to decide for your sister and she may just make the right decision.

Okay, I'm a little confused...
Who is trying to make anyone quit? People who complain aren't complaining that smokers smoke, people who complain do it because they don't wanna smell that shit while they work, or eat, or whatever.

Are we all talking about different things?